I have an opinion, and an @$$hole, like everyone else....
I will keep my own points, Ive been told this, but learning everything else, kinda got in the way....... HOWEVER...
CCS,
You all need NOT tease us, or sugar-coat this B.S. points page, as if we can actually refer to it with ANY consistancy.... Its a false catch/sense of progress that you SHOULD NOT sell to us as a benifit of PAYING YOU (enormous money) for racing with you, as if it's any use to us. I say, TAKE IT DOWN!
WE'VE complained enuff, and it's clear that you dont have the man power to handle the work that you face
(EVEN THO RACERS HAVE VOLUNTEERED TO DO IT FOR YOU??!!)
(SUCKS!)
It really sucks that you say two regions are at (lessay topeka) then theres three regions, no, its only two... what?
So it comes to the thursday b4 gateway,..... was GP at topeka? where are the points tally? theres a twin sprint weekend coming, can i know where i stand? SURE, the points will be up friday..... YEAH, RITE!!!
WELL, NO points update, and i find out from the track that i still had a chance at a championship ........ didnt want to waste the money, so i didnt go, ....
but if the points were updated....
AHHHHHH,..... whats the point? >:(
for the record, I dont have any problem with any one individual, but as a whole, you guys suk for not keeping the points updated. yep, im pissed. so what!
and CCE Chicago, or whoever else doesnt think that we deserve to have the points kept current, STINKS! WE should be refunded !
Ike Anderson
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Doesnt make sense!!!! >:(
TOO MANY people offered to help!!!
JUST DELETE the page, and everyone can KNOW that they need to keep their own score!!!
dont leave it and give the newbies the FALSE sense of security!
you guys ARE NOT DEPENDABLE !!!
not even when offered assistance!!!!
IKE
don't feel bad, these jokers can't even get the F/USA points updated on a regular basis. Last update was July 7th!! There's only BEEN two or three events since then
Ok, I'll post what I know for Tiff...
CCE got attacked by a virus. They really had everything ready to do something with, but because everything is whacked, they can't do anything. I think Tiffiney left the CCS office with stuff in a shambles.
Agreed though, the points are way over due each week. However, someone in CCE is to blame. They don't do the updates quick enough, and they won't let the people in the CCS office in Texas do it (guess they do it better...NOT!).
Tiff, tell us who to complain to at CCE and we'll do it. They don't seem to take us seriously, and you get the brunt of our rath...let's put the credit where credit is due...
QuoteTiff, and you get the brunt of our rath...let's put the credit where credit is due...
I cant dump on Tiff!
She's my Bud!
I'm a newB, but I agree with 1 comment...
Well 2..
1. Dump the page
2. Post a (easy to find) link showing us (in newB detail) how to keep our own Points. I wouldn't mind at all keeping my own points.
I'd even offer to design an easy to read page if I had all the info. :-[
QuoteI
I'd even offer to design an easy to read page if I had all the info. :-[
People have offered. They won't allow it. Guess they have people that are "responsible" for this kind of stuff.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Thats TOOOO Funny, Greg, Everyone has offered to keep the dumbarse page updated, EVERYBODY!!!!
Dude, get the rule book, it's there, and dont go to the points page at ALL next season!
I'm pissed beyound reconcilliation, save yourself the frustration!
trust me..
(bad part is;... it was much better this year)
(im crying inside(It's so sad)
Ike, I'm with you.
I'm just so tired of it. There is no sense of urgency in the whole thing. Would be nice if there was a print out of points at the races even. No such luck.
Just makes a rider tired...even me.
You get your grafts yet?
not yet,
Ive got so much crap piling up at the same time, I'm definately going to be stronger, unless it kills me :D
was spose to be friday, but paperwork, referals..b.s....crap...
doctor says... 10/3.... and two weeks of sitting afterwards.....
gateway 10/4-5 dbl points...Daytona 10/17, missed twin sprints/gateway, but no gto, i was close in that, but what's going on now, ? I DONT KNOW!!!
their almost down to sores now (from wounds) by the time i decide if im going to Daytona or not, sh!t, i may be healed, cuz since im paying the doctor, and he postponed surgery, i feel that i can also postpone surgery a few weeks... gotta be outa town ya know...
but im so pissed with CCS! im almost ready to say F racing.... esp with how much money i dont have cuz i keep forking it over....
Im losing the draw...
;D thanks for asking tho, Super_Dude...
uhm..ps..you got alot of work to do next season to make me fast enuff for expert/pro!!!
you sexy mofo! what color thongie you wearin tonite?
QuoteIm losing the draw...
;D thanks for asking tho, Super_Dude...
uhm..ps..you got alot of work to do next season to make me fast enuff for expert/pro!!!
you sexy mofo! what color thongie you wearin tonite?
I understand. This "sport" is really tiring. A bit on the costly side too. One really needs to make the decision on your own on what to do. I've seen more people go from this sport, which is too bad. Miss most of them too.
Faster? I think you are fast enough to ride as an expert, no problem, but we ain't talkin' no regular expert, right? Might be time to focus on one bike and really get the set up down. Came along way from where you were all hangin' off and all in the pictures in the beginning of the year. I'd say, skip Daytona, try to stay amateur for next year for you. Can't seem to get you a nice clean year to ride and learn, Ike. I can see that you want to do it, and you like it, and you ride well. Just all the other stuff keeps getting in the way...
What do you think?
me tinks YOU got yo werk cut out for you :)
LOL ;D
;D
still made bout the points tho >:( >:( >:( >:(
QuoteEveryone has offered to keep the dumbarse page updated, EVERYBODY!!!!
I'm pissed beyound reconcilliation, save yourself the frustration!
trust me..
(bad part is;... it was much better this year)
(im crying inside(It's so sad)
Hey Ike! Hey Dave! :)
One of the problems with keeping points on your own is that you have no idea of where the other racers are at. I ran into this when I was debating on going to Gateway this last weekend, I spent over 2 hours getting results since the last updates and figuring updated points for not only myself but also the other racers I was in the running with. THAT WAS FRUSTRATING AS HELL!
It does suck that even when the points were ready in the past they weren't ending up on the website in a resonable amount of time due to company politics of who is more of a priority at CCE, apparently CCS is plankton in the food chain of CCE!
What I also found confusing was that there were not updated points books at BHF for the last event there? I find it hard to believe that all the points records are on the computer system and that there is not any back-up copies of them? I would think that would be easy enough to send to a regional race official to make up an updated points book with? The reason I bring this up is because that is where I was told to check when the points were not updated on the website. :-/
I keep my own points, and those of the other top guys in my classes. CCS can not be relied upon for such important information. When you need to plan stratagy, you need good info.
Unfortunately for another rider, he wasn't keeping as close an eye on the points as me. At Gateway, he walked away from a chance to make the points battle very, very close. I don't mind, but it's a shame for him...
I get copies of the race results and keep track of the points for all of the people that race in the same classes that Paul does. I knew I had to for this year.
I'm glad I did, it is a lot less stressful this way.
Dawn :)
I've got the easy solution to this points mess. Being a programmer, I have to approach this from the geek angle. :) There needs to be a database designed for the website which contains all the racers and their info(name,#,etc.). Then there's a backend page that a CCS/ClearChannel employee logs in to enter in race results after every race event. Those results are saved in the database, which then are displayed on the results page. Then here's the beauty part of it: when someone goes to the points page, the website queries the database for all the results, and then calculates the points on-the-fly. No more of this manually updating the points page crap! No wonder they never get around to it, it would have to take forever. Using the method I'm describing, the points page is basically updated every time somebody brings it up! What do you think CCS? I'm more than willing to do it for you! I'm holding up my "will work for race fees" sign right now! ;D
Jeff
CCS #419
Jeff, what you are proposing has been done. I designed a database and kept points all last season and made them available on my site. Other people have also offered to do this. One problem is that garbage in equals garbage out. You still need to get the results from CCS. They have been talking about working on their own software for a couple years now.
And talking...and talking...and talking...and talking...and talking...and talking...and talking!!! Enough talk! Lets have some ACTION!!!
CRA posts the Monday after the race weekend
QuoteCCE got attacked by a virus.
Thats a cop out !!
QuoteJeff, what you are proposing has been done. I designed a database and kept points all last season and made them available on my site. Other people have also offered to do this. One problem is that garbage in equals garbage out. You still need to get the results from CCS. They have been talking about working on their own software for a couple years now.
Man, I say screw CCE, I can write the software in a weekend to do this. There wouldn't even have to be manual entry!
All CCS would have to do is freaking go to the (not CCE's) website from a computer that has all the info on it, and upload two files! The uploads would actually just be a button press, then browse to the file on their computer (nothing fancy for the user to do). One for the race results, and one for the points. When the files come in, they automatically get parsed and update a database. Results/Points are then immediately accessable via a web page. Wouldn't take litterally more than 10 minutes (I bet) from a dialup for a race weekend.
I am not in any points race, but not posting points since July is just rediculous.
We're back to garbage in = garbage out. What needs to be done is to take CCS out of the loop. :P ;D
My system parsed their output but still you have the same racer with different numbers, different racers with the same number, same racer with different names spelling, etc. It's not trivial, it did take more than ten minutes since I couldn't get their actual data files and key off some unique racer key.
Anyway, if you look back I believe you'll find a post from Kevin saying that CCE doesn't want anyone else posting their result info.
QuoteWe're back to garbage in = garbage out. What needs to be done is to take CCS out of the loop. :P ;D
My system parsed their output but still you have the same racer with different numbers, different racers with the same number, same racer with different names spelling, etc. It's not trivial, it did take more than ten minutes since I couldn't get their actual data files and key off some unique racer key.
Anyway, if you look back I believe you'll find a post from Kevin saying that CCE doesn't want anyone else posting their result info.
I see, I did like your setup last year, it was sweet...
what a clusterfuck....
OK....
The points page suck. CCS knows this, but apparently doesn't have any clout to change this.
Does it make you feel better to complain about it?
Personally, it's getting old.
Dawn :-/
QuoteI've seen more people go from this sport, which is too bad. Miss most of them too.
What do you think?
Every year, I think about 'going' from the sport... to WERA. If we keep paying CCS for crappy service, they will have no incentive to improve. CCS has a big advantage because they have the most tracks. But, the other orgs are getting better.
I think this year's decline in attendance is a partial sign that people are finally getting fed up.
Dave, I will make sure to attend some class so that you don't miss me too much! :)
QuoteEvery year, I think about 'going' from the sport... to WERA. If we keep paying CCS for crappy service, they will have no incentive to improve. CCS has a big advantage because they have the most tracks. But, the other orgs are getting better.
I think this year's decline in attendance is a partial sign that people are finally getting fed up.
Personally I think much of the decline in attendence is due to the current economy. Many people just don't have the $$$ to race.
WERA has some of the same problems as CCS.
Dawn :-/
QuotePersonally I think much of the decline in attendence is due to the current economy. Many people just don't have the $$$ to race.
WERA has some of the same problems as CCS.
Dawn :-/
I agree that some of it is the economy Dawn. But, I do believe the crappy service is a partial factor, as I said.
Think about it, There are a handful of things that their customers (us racers) have been complaining about for years. And nothing has been done to improve their service. They just keep giving the same excuses instead of fixing it. (with the possible exception of transponders) And it is probably not all bad service that is a partial factor. Track time has been diminishing over the years as well. :-/
QuoteEvery year, I think about 'going' from the sport... to WERA. If we keep paying CCS for crappy service, they will have no incentive to improve. CCS has a big advantage because they have the most tracks. But, the other orgs are getting better.
I think this year's decline in attendance is a partial sign that people are finally getting fed up.
Dave, I will make sure to attend some class so that you don't miss me too much! :)
gotta call utter crap on that one.
QuoteOK....
The points page suck. CCS knows this, but apparently doesn't have any clout to change this.
Does it make you feel better to complain about it?
Personally, it's getting old.
Dawn :-/
OK, one more and I'll let it go.
CCS doesn't have the clout to change it? All this about CCE not updating the site? Whatever. Either a lot of people don't know diddly about Web sites and current technology or it's a bunch of BS.
OK, the argument is that CCE doesn't feel comfortable with someone updating their site. I can see that, seems valid, I don't like people messing with my code either. But we're not talking about code. We're not talking about some fancy integration, have you seen the results and points pages? Do they look like CCEs site? No!
CCE can create a directory and give only CCS access privelleges to it. It would be secure, it's done all the time. CCS would not have access to CCE code or anything other than the directory. It looks like the directory already exists at: http://www.formulausa.com/results/2003
CCS already generates the HTML files. All CCS needs to do is copy that HTML file to that special directory. Believe me if you can figure out how to post on this site, you can copy that file--you could even do it using Windows Explorer. Now with one simple If statement CCE could check for the Result file's existance and if it exists display a link to it. It's that simple.
Now for the points. When they are updated CCS simply writes over the Points file in that same directory and everyone sees the latest points update.
It's not rocket science.
QuoteOK, one more and I'll let it go.
CCS doesn't have the clout to change it? All this about CCE not updating the site? Whatever. Either a lot of people don't know diddly about Web sites and current technology or it's a bunch of BS.
OK, the argument is that CCE doesn't feel comfortable with someone updating their site. I can see that, seems valid, I don't like people messing with my code either. But we're not talking about code. We're not talking about some fancy integration, have you seen the results and points pages? Do they look like CCEs site? No!
CCE can create a directory and give only CCS access privelleges to it. It would be secure, it's done all the time. CCS would not have access to CCE code or anything other than the directory. It looks like the directory already exists at: http://www.formulausa.com/results/2003
CCS already generates the HTML files. All CCS needs to do is copy that HTML file to that special directory. Believe me if you can figure out how to post on this site, you can copy that file--you could even do it using Windows Explorer. Now with one simple If statement CCE could check for the Result file's existance and if it exists display a link to it. It's that simple.
Now for the points. When they are updated CCS simply writes over the Points file in that same directory and everyone sees the latest points update.
It's not rocket science.
DING.....DING.....DING...... thank you for playing! ;)
OK, so maybe they don't have someone who can write that If statement so I'll make it even easier for you.
1) Create a nearly empty HTML file that says, "Sorry, Results are not yet available."
2) In our special CCS Results directory make a copy of that file for each of your events. Name each file like you do now, the date + event name: 030201_streetofwillow.html.
3) Just like CCE does now, have them update their results page to link to each of these files. They have to do this each time you send them a file. Now they can do it for the whole season at one time. You probably just saved CCE $2000 in development salary. :P
4) Now after an event, generate your HTML file like you do know, name it your standard way, and copy it to your CCS Results directory overwriting the existing nearly empty results file.
No fancy If statement, no extra work on CCEs part, actually a savings in effort, and you're done--instant results updates.
QuoteOK, so maybe they don't have someone who can write that If statement so I'll make it even easier for you.
1) Create a nearly empty HTML file that says, "Sorry, Results are not yet available."
2) In our special CCS Results directory make a copy of that file for each of your events. Name each file like you do now, the date + event name: 030201_streetofwillow.html.
3) Just like CCE does now, have them update their results page to link to each of these files. They have to do this each time you send them a file. Now they can do it for the whole season at one time. You probably just saved CCE $2000 in development salary. :P
4) Now after an event, generate your HTML file like you do know, name it your standard way, and copy it to your CCS Results directory overwriting the existing nearly empty results file.
No fancy If statement, no extra work on CCEs part, actually a savings in effort, and you're done--instant results updates.
No man, you hit it on the head, just keep replacing the same file. CCS can put bookmarks in it at the top to get to each section. Can't get much easier than that.
QuoteNo man, you hit it on the head, just keep replacing the same file. CCS can put bookmarks in it at the top to get to each section. Can't get much easier than that.
Yes, but that would require someone to know HTML and bookmarks and I don't think they do. When I first saw their HTML it had bookmarks all over that were broken and I e-mailed specific instructions on how to fix it. It did get fixed.
However you slice it, you're right, it's simple. So we're back to the argument, will CCE make this directory available and give CCS rights to change the files in it. I can't see any reason why they wouldn't, but still, if that doesn't fly CCS can make their own Web share somewhere and they can link to those files rather than a directory on CCEs site.
And I don't want to hear that CCE wont allow that either because they already are. On the results page they have a link to another site the displays race info, just like another site that could display result info.
My point is that CCS shouldn't have to rely on CCE. That SHOULD NOT be the problem. I told Kevin I could help them set this up last year but I never got a response. Perhaps KE and Tiff were simply told it wasn't possible, well I'm here to tell ya IT IS! ;D
WERA may have some of the same general problems that CCS does, but their points/results are up really promptly! :-/
QuoteEvery year, I think about 'going' from the sport... to WERA. If we keep paying CCS for crappy service, they will have no incentive to improve. CCS has a big advantage because they have the most tracks. But, the other orgs are getting better.
I think this year's decline in attendance is a partial sign that people are finally getting fed up.
Dave, I will make sure to attend some class so that you don't miss me too much! :)
Exactly...Especially in the mid-atlantic region, they race at a majority of the same tracks. I say we boycott CCS and hit them where it hurts...their pocket book. Give me a break, any one even running a home computer has virus protection software and regularly updates it. The points could be managed in Excel if it needed to. As racers, we are customer, and no customers means no JOB. If a bank told me I couldn't get a statement on my account showing my credits and debits, I would switch banks!!!
I also remember we ran a half season before we got transmitters and still had to pay the extra fees when we didn't use them. Did we get a refund? Is the end-of-season party going to be sponsored by ccs? Should be, and it should also be this year not next.
my .02
QuoteOK, one more and I'll let it go.
CCS doesn't have the clout to change it? All this about CCE not updating the site? Whatever. Either a lot of people don't know diddly about Web sites and current technology or it's a bunch of BS.
OK, the argument is that CCE doesn't feel comfortable with someone updating their site. I can see that, seems valid, I don't like people messing with my code either. But we're not talking about code. We're not talking about some fancy integration, have you seen the results and points pages? Do they look like CCEs site? No!
CCE can create a directory and give only CCS access privelleges to it. It would be secure, it's done all the time. CCS would not have access to CCE code or anything other than the directory. It looks like the directory already exists at: http://www.formulausa.com/results/2003
CCS already generates the HTML files. All CCS needs to do is copy that HTML file to that special directory. Believe me if you can figure out how to post on this site, you can copy that file--you could even do it using Windows Explorer. Now with one simple If statement CCE could check for the Result file's existance and if it exists display a link to it. It's that simple.
Now for the points. When they are updated CCS simply writes over the Points file in that same directory and everyone sees the latest points update.
It's not rocket science.
Why does CCS need CCE??? CCE owns most of the radio stations around this area and have not once heard reference to CCS events in the local area. Don't we pay enough to pay ccs employees?
OK, I'm gonna go off for a bit...
The motorcycle industry $ucks. It fails to support anything active that goes on around it. Most businesses are based on hype rather than actual real technology, etc. There are people out there that I love to work with though. They are hard to find, and when I do find them, I try to guard them from harm.
Now, here's my beef...
I've listened to this one for a long time, and it doesn't work.
I appears that the focus of so much stuff in racing is trying to get new people involved. Supposed to lead to more coverage, more popularity, etc., etc. Never believed it, still don't believe it. I've been so active that I put on schools for CCS. Even went so far as to have my own school. Didn't see any increase in anything because of new racers.
The point? It costs a lot more to get new people that it does to take care of the current customers you have.
Motorcycle racing is cr@ppy because there is very little longevity. Racers are cast aside by the racing organizations like petty children. Either we don't have the knowledge or they don't care. I'm not sure which it is, but that's the way we are treated. Am I right or am I right?
The biggest aim that I had when I incorporated in 1999 was to offer a program for racers so that they would have some tools to manage the problems, avoid the standard money pitfalls, and know how to manage the mind games that you can put yourself into.
Needless to say, the program that I had was pretty decent. Wasn't paying any bills, just making them. But I could see that we were at least having an impact among the racers. Guys that I might have though would have gone away were staying, and racers were making good decisions. One's that racers with six and seven years of experience have a hard time making.
The reality is that the local CCS staff in the Midwest, or the main office, failed to recognize the fact that I had been renting specific dates from Blackhawk for four years. I have held a CCS license since 1988, I have been an active and vocal part of the road race community for some time, and that I did take the time and opportunity to put up brochures, banners, website, support racers, etc. If you were blind, you'd still probably know about what I'm doing. (Four amateur BFR track champions in five years? Not bad. The banquet is a good time for me just to watch my children...)
Regardless, the decision was made to ask for the dates under a program that has the purpose of trying to get more people involved in road racing, the Lockhart/Philips Sport Rider Day.
It appears that these programs have completely failed in that respect, attracting new racers.
With their corruption of my schedule this year, they have ruined the work and the investment that I made in trying to support the current racers.
The points, licenses, cutting of practice times, (insert your resonable gripe here) all seem to point to the fact that the system fails for it's current riders. All and all, I think there are a lot of people that are looking for something different. If someone would put together something else, I'm there.
I'm even having problems trying to work with people in NESBA. Guess I must be intimidating...I'll stop there with that.
Guys, I'm a gun that's loaded. I'm a rock at the top of a mountain...potential waiting to happen. I'm pretty tired of all the promises that get broken consistently. There is either action or wrong actions. I'd be happy with the wrong actions at this point, but this is all like watching paint drying....but I'm still waiting for the paint to go on the wall. Put up the wrong points for me...I'd at least feel better waiting for something to be corrected rather than again to see August 4, 2003[/b] for a date again on the Midwest points.
Wait, I've got more....
Economy bad? Sure. Tell a rider that if he doesn't like GTU expert and amateur combined that he can have his money back? Hey, that's trying to keep the riders happy! Bl0w me! Spend the money on getting sponsorship to run track days to involve sport riders that will never race...hey, sounds like you really want me to spend my money. Give a rider that's on the edge about racing an answer like that...he's gone for life. Might not want to even see a race after that because it's all bull...
So, back to rider retention, why would someone want to pay to come see some two and three year racers race? I sure wouldn't. (I think that's refered to as "sportsman" racing.) Nice people and all, but their programs haven't developed. Go to a local oval car race and watch there. At least it might be interesting with guys that have been racing and are experienced. They have developed programs, supporters, people that want to see them get beat. It gives the younger guys something to shoot for. Back to retaining riders again...that might actually bring people in.
As the "Visionsports' guy", people shoot for me. I've made myself a visable thing on and off the track. Honestly, I like to win, but it doesn't ruin my day if I don't. I'm there to put on a show, have some fun, and work with my VRS people. That's what I do. Does that lend something to the program? Sure, it does!
So, the points thing is just a representative problem.
Ok, who's got a fix? I AM all ears... >:(
Bring back the local team challenges. It will create the real feeling of teams racing teams. The efforts of on major sponsors won't depend on the success or failure of one individual, so if the team grows or shrinks, there is still something the spectators can look at. For example, the Chi-town Hustlers are a regular staple in the Mid-West and I hope they can continue to have some longevity no matter how many members continue to race. They've been competing as a group for several years now, and have influenced many fellow street riders to become racers, not to mention their pit presence. The same goes for VRS, Learning Curves, Cold Beer Racing and several others that continue to grace our part of the US.
Maybe we Mid-westerners can put together a large solicitation package to bring in some larger sponsorships to the tracks we race at, which in turn can make it more inexpensive for us to use the tracks, as well as improve the facilities at some of the venues. Big team challenge events with large purses are the way to go. Maybe we could start with AMA length races (solos), then twice that distance for team challenges.
Dave... Your absolutley right! Case and point... I dont know if you noticed, but... our team (Kegel's) now only consists of Karl, Mikey, and me. Thats it! We lost Richie Fagen, Curt Ellis, and John Spinelli. Why? Its not too hard to figure out. So yes,...instead of new riders comming into our sport, were loosing them left and right. And loosing them forever! They were great people to have around and now there gone for good like so many others and it's realy realy sad. I don't know what the "FIX" is or what is the best solution is but all I know is that somthing has to be done or were going to loose racers, fans, and friends of the sport forever. I'm 43, have had my license for 4 years. I personally am having a good time and plan to continue till I'm carried off the track kickin and screamin. But thats me... most people dont have my patients and I dont expect them too. But CCE and CCS need to do something before it looses all of its "customers"!
QuoteOk, who's got a fix? I AM all ears... >:(
Well - you/we (ie, the Midwest Region) could take a page out of CMRA's book - and simply dump CCS. :o I don't know much about the CMRA guys/gals - I've hung out around WERA more. WERA is the same idea, really, though - it's run by the racers, for the racers. Not some faceless, soul-less corporate thing.
It would not be easy to do this, but it would be something that might garner a lot of support, at least among those of us in the Midwest.
QuoteDave... Your absolutley right!
DItto.
If you notice my sig, you'll see what I might be planning on doing for racing.
Interesting idea tshort, and I kinda like it. But you're right, it would NOT be easy. First of all, we'd have to form it, as CRA was already in place. Then, we'd have to somehow get race dates, and people to know about it all. It'd be a lotta work, but we could really end up with something nice. MidWest Road Racing Assoc, etc.
I'm also very curious to see what kind of changes are in store for CCS. But, I'm also prepared to do what I can to help a new organization along if that's what it will take to get things fixed in the MW.
Dave, I luv you, Man.
Sean, thanks for the compliment. The Hustlers really have tried to be a magnet for the sport. Watch as we sway in the breeze, always on the verge of becoming extinct due to lack of money.
As for Tom's idea, you'd be surprised how many of the pieces are already in place. What is really required is for a large group of people to make the commitment to getting the ball rolling. Fed up racers unite!
QuoteWell - you/we (ie, the Midwest Region) could take a page out of CMRA's book - and simply dump CCS. :o I don't know much about the CMRA guys/gals - I've hung out around WERA more.
CMRA is a stand alone organization like the CRA or MRA. They decided to be a CCS affiliate a few years ago. So, when they decided to part ways, they did.
The Midwest CCS region is OWNED by CCS. It is a pretty profitable region also. So, it can't "break away."
Now, Nate, this all sounds nice, but the biggest thing that is necessary...
Money...
Contingency...
Without it, you can't rent the track, pay the insurance, pay the workers, etc.
No contingency, well, you'll have racers that can't show up.
Next, you've got to have things scheduled so that you can have the tire guys there and all. And the dates are already taken for 2004.
Sean...Team Challenge races are only good for the racers. Really boring for people to watch in reality.
Sponsorship for an event in CCS has to go through the main office. They charge a fee I believe. Looked into being a sponsor of some races in 1999, but it was a nightmare. I ended up just going to registration and putting an envelop into some riders awards. Never did get a response anyway from those people. I guess fourth place was good enough for them.
The Kegel's Team...Yeah, I've watched it.
I guess I wasn't think about the people watching the TC, but the possible sponsors that could get behind the teams.
QuoteI guess I wasn't think about the people watching the TC, but the possible sponsors that could get behind the teams.
Well, we're back to that. If it doesn't generate any watching, then what are you sponsoring? There was nothing in the way of contingency for 2001, very little for 2002. Probably similar for 2003. The industry doesn't want to support it...kind of like the 250GP class. Yamaha used to offer contingency money for 250 GP bikes at the regional level in addition to the support at the Pro level. That's all gone.
QuoteThe Midwest CCS region is OWNED by CCS. It is a pretty profitable region also. So, it can't "break away."
Now, Nate, this all sounds nice, but the biggest thing that is necessary...
Money...
Contingency...
Without it, you can't rent the track, pay the insurance, pay the workers, etc.
No contingency, well, you'll have racers that can't show up.
Next, you've got to have things scheduled so that you can have the tire guys there and all. And the dates are already taken for 2004.
The he!! it can't (break away) - if everyone is as disgruntled as the ones on this board, then all that has to happen is for there to be an alternative, and then let racers/teams vote with their feet. If noone shows up at a CCS race, because there is an alternative that is more appealing, then does CCS have a region??
As far as all the difficulties/logistics - yes, it would be difficult - so what? That's life. If you don't like what you've got, do something about it, or shut up. You think starting up a new country was easy?
As for dates in 04 being all booked up - that's fine - it would probably take a full year of getting things together before you could go live anyway. But the fact remains: WERA and CMRA (and others, I suspect) are real. They exist. They have figured it out. Therefore, it *is* doable. How bad do you want it?
I want it.
I don't put my two cents in two often. And if you don't know me my name is Joe. I'm the newest Hustler. I would like to say that the racing is great and I love the sport and the people at the track are great and always will help a fellow racer. I'm not going to say that we show stay with CCS or we should go, but the reason that I make the races that I can aford is the people and the racers at the track. This is my second year and the people on my team and the people at the track have become a home away from the daily grind of my work schedual! where a normal guy with a abnormal brain can come out and have some fun. My year this year has been less then perfect, but what ever is. I guess thats my question what ever is perfect? No matter where you go there will always be problems. I think the big problem is that theres no way for us to have a say so In the current program, And with the current problems that were force to swallow!
I like the people at CCS, but for the money that I fork over, AND for this REGION to be one of the more profitable ones for CCS It only takes TWO seasons for me to say ENUFF!
It's TOO much for TOO little!!!!!
my personality has grown (matured) to the place where I'm as passive as I can be!
I find this to work GREAT for me b/c when I get fed up, I can feel confident that I'm not just jumping TOO fast at anything or anyone. I had a bit of a HOTTHEAD as a teen/younger man.
I've read all of the VETERAN guys here, just call Super_Dave enuff for me, his CCS license goes back to the 80's :o
Bottom line..
Ive seen enuff myself, in two seasons (hell, in one) to feel that my hard earned money, which leaves me broke (news flash, i live check to check) (big surprise, rite) Is not being spent well! Just doesnt seem--- scratch that, Im NOT getting my money's worth,
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
the WORST part of it is that The Stupid A$$ points page wont take MORE THAN a friggin MOMENT to fix, BUT WE'RE NOT WORTH IT ???????????????
yeah, blow me for the money that went towards what i havent received, FOR the frikkin transponders that WE bought for you! puhlease! everyone pay an extra 5 bucks per this, per that, and then we get threatened to pay for another if the one should happen to lay in a field somewhere after you break your arse....
I'M SICK OF IT.
cost me a Championship, "oh, but you shoulda been keeping your own points", yep, its my fault...
Transponders/transmitters...
Well, it's all a new thing to us. In SCCA, which would probably be the closest real example of what we do in another form of racing, the drivers have to pay for their transmitter. They are like $300 each. Knowing that we probably don't have that amound lying around, CCS bought the whole thing. Additionally, if you wad it, they don't make you buy another. Have to give Kevin and CCS credit for that.
Entry fees. It is related to insurance and track rentals. Yes, it would still be appropriate to have all the value added things that we expect...points, etc.
As for input, NOW is the time.
I have some rules proposals. I will write them and probably put them on my website when ready. Then, a person can check them out, print them, sign them, send them to CCS. Best we can do, and CCS would appreciate the input. They have changed things based on input. Might not have been the right direction based on their interpretation, but then again they did change some things back.
I'll go off for a while, but then I will try to work within the programs that are available.
I'm pi$$ed, YES, but I am for progress.
If we need to get together and start our own r egion, count me IN,...If we need to get together and come up with the answers to FIX, FIX what we have, then count me in... I was thinking of going WERA novice next year, Idiotic, cuz i wanna be expert, but im in a spot, "theres a virus last week" what about the week or two before, and the months and years before....
shouldnt get an uprising from your customers, should treat em like you'd wanna be!
and again, the staff is TOO cool with me personally, but business is business... esp when im breaking myself, treat me like I'm spending your money..
I'm sorry to those who dont wanna hear it, ... really..
I'm in agreement with you.
Let's see what we can do. Got ideas...put 'em down. Let's get them out there. Be reasonably explicit, be reasonable, and be nice. I think we can try.
CCS people told me that they don't even own the transponders, just a 2 year lease on them.
And gee, anyone hear how license rates went up again for 2004?
A lease on the ones that aren't destroyed. I'm sure those have to be bought.
I don't think anyone has a license renewal, so how is there supposed to be info on that?
John would like to see license renewals and RULEBOOKS available in November of the preceding year. Somehow, NHRA manages to get it done.
Ok... I have been looking at this postings for the last 4 days. Obviously there are problems, frustrations, and headaches with CCS and more importantley CCE. I see alot of good gripes and some good solutions. What I see the problem to really be, is that there seems to be no one at CCE to hear our complaints and worse..no one to fix the problems the we have been complaining about. I have seen at least 3 good solutions to the points update, but we are just complaining to each other. Personally, I love this sport, the racers, fans, and the personell at CCS. you are all great people to know. I feel fortunate just to be on the track with all of you. Are there internal problems...yes! There always gonna be there to one extent or another. We just need a place to focus our (frustrations) at. And I'm not talking on this message board. Dave... who could everyone write to? Lets focus on getting our complaints and concerns heard by the people who can help the situation. Otherwise its just a page of words that go un heard by the ears that should be hearing all of this.
I have been doing some research and here are some e-mail addresses that you can send your thoughts and comments to:
kevinelliott@clearchannel.com
tiffanyingram@clearchannel.com
lindahipps@clearchannel.com
I also found these e-mail addresses on some other CCE websites. The following were on the dirt track website.
Vice Pres. mikekidd@clearchannel.com
Data Managment. nicolelewinn@clearchannel.com
I have been reading this for a couple of days now and just decided to register and post this info for us racers to tell them what we feel!
See ya at the track!
And some points are up!
Thanks for the relay, Tiffaney!
Wooo hooo!
LRRS, which is a slightly removed affiliate of CCS has the renewal forms already and our director (Don H) has told us of CCS bump in prices.
Adam, if you have been told this information by a CCS offical, they were incorrect. As far as transponders, we do own them. As far as licenses, CCS and their affiliates are the only ones who will know the plans for 2004 until they are announced publicly.
Doesn't LRRS have their own timing set up anyway? They did in 1999 when I raced at Loudon.
Yes, LRRS has AMB transponders (along with every other serious series such as AMA, Motogp, even NASCRAP).
I was inquiring why CCS didn't get them as well and was told by this Mid-Atlantic TOP official that it was a political issue since AMB required a lease period longer than CCE can officially allow (something like 3 yrs) so they instead had to use the ones they have now.
LRRS is a CCS affiliate and I guess they've been publicly announced since Don clearly and boldly told us this information.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to get across, but of course LRRS is our affiliate and we look forward to working with them for years to come. As far as a "TOP" official, if that were the case, what difference does it make what kind of transponders/transmitters we use? And what does that have to do with the cost of tea in China? Either way, we have a great system in place across our regions, and LRRS has a great system in their region. Why does it matter what the brand is?
On another note, CCS is a very serious series. We went with a system created specifically for us with our likes and dislikes taken into consideration. If you believe the brand of timing system determines seriousness, I'm pretty sure you're about to have quite a few of your fellow racers begging to differ with your opinion. Any guy or girl who spends their well earned money to race hundreds of miles from home in any weather just to get that rush that they love is pretty darn serious in my eyes.
QuoteI'm not sure what point you're trying to get across, but of course LRRS is our affiliate and we look forward to working with them for years to come. As far as a "TOP" official, if that were the case, what difference does it make what kind of transponders/transmitters we use? And what does that have to do with the cost of tea in China? Either way, we have a great system in place across our regions, and LRRS has a great system in their region. Why does it matter what the brand is?
On another note, CCS is a very serious series. We went with a system created specifically for us with our likes and dislikes taken into consideration. If you believe the brand of timing system determines seriousness, I'm pretty sure you're about to have quite a few of your fellow racers begging to differ with your opinion. Any guy or girl who spends their well earned money to race hundreds of miles from home in any weather just to get that rush that they love is pretty darn serious in my eyes.
If CCS is serious, and we are serious, and CCS knows that we are serious, and we are spending serious dollars, why can't the points page be updated? Why can't the points be available for viewing at registration at summit point national?
I waited 2 weeks before sending money for Daytona, hoping I can find out what region I should register my ROC racers from, but even til today, there is no points update. I emailed you for the updated points, and got no response. I asked registration at the last race event and there is no points.
I know you have to defend your org and your biz, but I must defend my money. If all know this is about serious business, then please, by ALL means, get serious. Don't just talk serious.
Tiffany, sounds like my fellow racers HAVE been voicing their unhappiness for the last 5 pages of this post.
Another example of the unprofessionalism of CCS (and its image persists) is that you have not returned a phone call which I left on your voice mail two days ago regarding the fact that I have not received my Daytona ROC mailer.
9/17-Adam Bella-did not rec Daytona mailer-called, busy; called again, no answer.
Adam, I returned your phone call not only once, but TWICE.
Dafan--As I have posted, there was a serious problem in the computer. I am not going to post points when I know they are incorrect. I felt it was more important to get them right than to post an inaccuracy. Now that I have them fixed and I know they are corrected, they should be up by the end of the day.
I apologize, please see my email.
Now that the computer issue has been resolved, will the points in ALL the regions be updated as well as the F/USA classes?
Tiffiney, thank you for the update. My gripe this time was that there was no options to get the points. It wouldn't really matter much if I could have gotten an updated copy at summit point, but I was told they didn't bring it.
And waiting to see the points update before I sent in my entries could have costed a garage spot (maybe) because I was ready to send it out the day I received the mailer. Then still the points are not up, I just couldn't wait any longer.
You know us spend over thousands dollars at the begining of the year for a good grid spot. Or spend hundreds on a qualifying effort. Here we have an opportunity to clain our "deserved" spot, only I could not tell what region I did better in. You see my dillema -
because CCS did not post the points on time, I could have entered a region other than my best, and end up losing grid positions. And that, in my opinion, and in all reality, is worth more than a few hundred dollars. And this happened to be a national championship race too? If I entered MA instead of SE and end up on the 6th row instead of 2nd, what you think that is worth to me??? And who is going to be accountable for this loss?
We are talking about a lot of money, anxious minds, and maybe even anger here. A simple "we had a problem isn't going to cut it." Sure we can be understanding and so on, but the truth is a resolution was not there.
If I am late on my bills for 3 month, do you think any excuse is going to cut it with the creditors? As you stated, it is business, and there are often times, no feelings in business.
I stop complaining about the website because, it is an enhanced feature. If you choose not to do it, we still race and get our money worth. But this time I could not get points ANYWAY. In that sense, CCS has failed. Since ROC is run with the points tally, then a tally must be available. Its integral to the process. But it was not, and I didn't hear CCS extend the deadline of entry for me, or anyone because points weren't available. Is there a fix? What if I find out next month that I should have entered a different region?
What if I am gridded improperly at Daytona? What can I use to show the officials that mistake has been made?
Point standings are essential. Above all, please try to make them available.
By the way, I think CCS has a lot good people, and a lot good qualities. That why I race CCS, and continue to, and plan to race CCS in the future. You didn't hear me threaten to race WERA ever ;D I just like certain things to be fixed, because they are broken
QuoteDafan--As I have posted, there was a serious problem in the computer. I am not going to post points when I know they are incorrect. I felt it was more important to get them right than to post an inaccuracy. Now that I have them fixed and I know they are corrected, they should be up by the end of the day.
Ms. Tiffiney - the points are indeed up, and there is a 9/16 date on them for the Midwest region, but the tally, at least for the classes I race in, do not match the spreadsheet I keep at home.
They appear to be off by exactly the same number of points accumulated in the last two race weekends (both at Blackhawk) - which means they are only up through Topeka/August 8-10.
uh oh, seems like someone told on us. . . Kenny decided to email a whole bunch of us. :o
Quoteuh oh, seems like someone told on us. . . Kenny decided to email a whole bunch of us. :o
LUCY! YOU GOT SOME SPLAIN'N TO DO! :o ::) :P ;D
QuoteDave... and others,
It was brought to my attention that there was a lot of talk on the web BBS about the points process, and how much we all suck... I visited the BBS and discovered many mistruths that were posted and many misconceptions of what may cause the problem for points not being correct or posted in a timely fashion.
This is not intended to throw anyone under the bus or place blame, but simply explain the process in which is used to generate results and points, then have them posted on the corresponding web sites. If you have any questions regarding this process, feel free to contact me.
For the record... here is the process (in theory):
1) Points are totaled after each event in a DOS based (ASCI II) format at each event, then placed on a disk at the event and shipped overnight to the Fort Worth CCS office (arriving Tuesday). The points are actually automatically totaled for each rider after the race results are entered immediately following the race. There is not a person sitting at a desk adding point to the past riders total, and sifting through each class that he/she was entered in. It is far more simple... the computer program software does it all automatically....(DOS because that is the program that has been used since 1988, and for the record is the best program for licensing, registration, grids, and points in the business. Not even NASCAR or CART have a better, all encompassing system. We are working on converting all of the same programming software to a Windows based format that will also include operating systems for electronic timing and scoring, but they are not done yet).
2) Points are then converted to a newer operating systems format from the ASCI II file and a html file is made.
3) They are then sent to me in Chicago... (because I am the designated exclusive source for road race content between our property and the internet content production department).
4) As soon as I get the html files from Fort Worth CCS office, I forward them to our web content manager.
5) The web content manager that handles our RR files usually posts the files that I send her within target of a 24 hour period, based on her work load at the time, however it is usually posted within hours of me sending it to her.
6) It's that simple; Fort Worth sends them to me, I forward them for posting.
7) Creating a new web site or new points page has nothing to do with the time in which the points are totaled and posted on the web. It also has nothing to do with the people who actually post the files. It has to do with the time of the content being created and converted to a html format. That is usually the delay in posting.
My point?
1) If it is not on the web, I have not received it from Fort Worth yet.
2) If it is wrong, it is because it was not correct when it was sent to me for posting. We are all human.
3) Clear Channel Chicago has nothing to do with the accuracy or timing of the points being posted on the CCS or FUSA web sites.
4) If you have an issue with points not being correct, or not being posted you need to contact the Fort Worth office... If you cannot reach Tiffiney, attempt to contact Linda. If neither of them are available, you can send me an inquiry or call me personally, and I may be able to help track down any information that you may need or inform you of any delay that I may know of.
5) Creating a new web site or new points page has nothing to do with the time in which the points are totaled and posted on the web. It also has nothing to do with the people who actually post the files. It has to do with the content being created and converted. That is the delay in posting. So for those of you who want to create new spreadsheets, or new web sites, or new formulas for calculating the points... don't waste your time. That is not the problem.
6) It's great that the CRA has their results posted the Monday after each race... however they are usually not flying back from California or the East coast, and dealing with 2-5 events per weekend, (over 80 per year), nor are they processing over 5000 license applications in a year's time. Nor are they dealing with the Street riders in the sport rider days that are hosted while trying to keep focus on their primary RR program. The CRA at best guess has less than 250 riders, and far less entries or licensing than CCS. And they can split their work load between a small group of people. We have 2 people that process every piece of paperwork that goes through the CCS and FUSA licensing, entry, results, contingency, and points process, not to mention preparing for the next weekend. Spend a day in the office, you would enjoy it.
continued....
QuoteI agree that it is frustrating... I too need the points updated in a timely manner for my media and marketing duties. But do not blame Clear Channel, nor the office in Chicago for any short-comings in the posting of results or points, they are not handled out of this office, nor is there a corporate mandate to not handle CCS in a timely manner. BUT instead, contact the Fort Worth office via e-mail or phone and speak to a CCS representative. There are 3 people there that can usually answer CCS related questions. To Tiffiny and Linda's defense, (as Tiffiney mentioned on the BBS), why should results or points be sent if they are not correct?
With an increase of licenses and entries each year, the workload is sometimes to large to handle in a timely manner before having to jet back out of town for the next event, especially when we are dealing with virus and/or hardware issues. Tiffiney and Linda work hard, and our Fort Worth office is understaffed for CCS operations, but they do what they can to keep all of the rider files up to date and more importantly, accurate. The same two people also help with all of the mailers, newsletters, weekly meetings, reconciliation of past events, preparation for coming events, trophy orders, data entry, and other normal office duties.
If anyone would like to help, we could use a hand in the office preparing our Daytona mailers, our Licensing mailers, and our processing the 1800 entries for our next Nat'l event... just let us know if you are available...
Thank you for your time, consideration, and continued support of the CCS race program.
Kenneth R. Abbott
Marketing & Promotions - Formula USA & Championship Cup Series
Director of Competition - X-Treme Sport Bike Association
495 North Commons Drive, Suite 200, Aurora, Illinois 60504
Ph: 630-566-6420, Fax: 630-566-6184
E-Mail: KennethAbbott@ClearChannel.com
For more info visit:
FormulaUSA.com
CCSracing.com
XSBA.com
QuoteI know y'all are frustrated that the points have not been updated on ccsracing.com. Believe me, I'm just as frustrated as y'all are. Unfortunately we lost our person within the Ft. Worth office that did our website and now we have to go through our corporate office to get stuff posted. I do, however, have the current point standings for all regions, so if you would like them, please email me and I will get them to you right away. I want to thank you guys for making this year so incredible--all of you riding your butts off made this our best year yet. We're working on making next year even better, so in the words of Kevin, thank you for your support, and have a great off-season!
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QuoteUh...all those letters are getting me confused! Sorry, Eddie, I'm not a computer person AT ALL, so I don't understand any of that. What I can tell you is that next year's system will be much better and much more efficient. For this year, we're just going to have to deal with it for a couple more months and then next year when everything's perfect, we'll be able to look back and say "I'm so old that I remember when CCS's website wasn't always current!" Okay, maybe not as funny as it sounded in my head, but trust me, we're getting there.
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QuoteSean, please see my post about the Blackhawk results.
Points are updated as soon as the races are finalized in our computer. However, I do not post them. I send them to Chicago to be posted, and after that it is out of my hands. I get frustrated like all of you. CCS IS doing the job you're paying for. If you don't see the results you're looking for, let me know and I can send them to you. If you don't see the points, same thing. I'm not going to monitor a message board to check for problems--but if you tell me what's wrong, I can make it right.
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QuoteMs. Tiffiney - the points are indeed up, and there is a 9/16 date on them for the Midwest region, but the tally, at least for the classes I race in, do not match the spreadsheet I keep at home.
They appear to be off by exactly the same number of points accumulated in the last two race weekends (both at Blackhawk) - which means they are only up through Topeka/August 8-10.
Tom:
I got the same result for LWSS and LWSB, but Thunderbike appears correct (I'll check when I get home, I don't have an updated spreadsheet at work).
Dawn :)
QuoteDave... and others,
Why do I always get called out...LOL! ;D
QuoteWhy do I always get called out...LOL! ;D
Troublemaker. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Thanks for getting the points up Tiff.
Let me clarify those statements that Jack so politely posted:
The ones in October were posted just after we lost Nancy Selleck. Up until her departure she was posting our results and points.
The post in June was while our contact person was on vacation.
QuoteTom:
I got the same result for LWSS and LWSB, but Thunderbike appears correct (I'll check when I get home, I don't have an updated spreadsheet at work).
Dawn :)
Nah.....
Thunderbike for the MW is just wrong. I'll see if I can figure it out.
Dawn :-/
QuoteLet me clarify those statements that Jack so politely posted:
...
Is there any other way? :P ;D
I'm sorry Tiffiney, I hate to stir the pot but we've got one faction saying it's CCE and the other saying it's CCS.
Personally, I think you're probably working your ass off doing everything you can. But still, the situation sucks and the frustration continues. It's not fair.
I apologize for making your job that much harder and seem that much more thankless. Everyone appreciates what you do and realize you can do only so much. And for the record you've been more responsive to me than any one else I've ever tried ;D to talk to at CCS.
From now on I'll try and keep my two cents to myself.
Peace out.
Ok Tiffiney... How many "shiney packs of gum" do I owe you now? ;D Your the best "EVER"! I am sure I speak for everyone! Rock on! Mark
QuoteOk Tiffiney... How many "shiney packs of gum" do I owe you now? ;D Your the best "EVER"! I am sure I speak for everyone! Rock on! Mark
Kissing ass wont keep you in amatuer next year Mark. ;D ;D
Thanks for getting the points posted.
I just finished going through all my classes and comparing to what I had, and finding an issue with Am MW Superbike. Anyone else race this class that made the March Roebling event? Looks like the points from Roebling event may not have been included in the total.
:-/
QuoteI'm sorry Tiffiney, I hate to stir the pot but we've got one faction saying it's CCE and the other saying it's CCS.
Personally, I think you're probably working your ass off doing everything you can. But still, the situation sucks and the frustration continues. It's not fair.
Jack, I
totally agree.
Kenny, you make the points sound so simple. If it is, it should have been done.
And from Kenny...
Quotehowever they are usually not flying back from California or the East coast, and dealing with 2-5 events per weekend, (over 80 per year), nor are they processing over 5000 license applications in a year's time. Nor are they dealing with the Street riders in the sport rider days that are hosted while trying to keep focus on their primary RR program. The CRA at best guess has less than 250 riders, and far less entries or licensing than CCS. And they can split their work load between a small group of people. We have 2 people that process every piece of paperwork that goes through the CCS and FUSA licensing, entry, results, contingency, and points process, not to mention preparing for the next weekend. Spend a day in the office, you would enjoy it.
Indeed, CCE has made a lot of work for CCS. Lots and lots of races. But if you can't do the job, delagate, hire someone, etc. I'm not going to work in your office, because I have to work in my office, work in my shop, work at my work place to compete in the CCS series. Sorry to complain, but the racers pay the wage of those that are supposed to process the licenses, entries, results, etc. I do similar stuff for my school, just you get paid a lot more. I say, you come to my house, work on my bike, pay my entry fees, and then lets see the frustration one has when there are no points listed. Oh, although you have contingencies available, we still look for sponsors. Hard to show a sponsor what you do when some of the services we pay for are how many weeks late?
I don't care who's fault it is.
I really just want it done. If it doesn't get done, fix it.
Kenny, you make it all so simple in your e-mail. If it is, it should have been done.
If there are too many races for one to allow the staff to do the job, have fewer races or hire someone.
QuoteKissing ass wont keep you in amatuer next year Mark. ;D ;D
Cant hurt.... ;D
Wow Dave you took the word's right out of my mouth with that one, except you forgot alot of F# and Sh# word's.
If 2 people are handling 5000 rider's then someone's pocket's are getting fat and I say to you fat wallet boy, hire more staff!
After all this, they're still not right. :-X
I have a suggestion to help with the points confusion, how about list the last event the points include instead of a date last updated? When I see a certain date listed on the points page I expect that all races to that date are included in those totals, when apparently they are not. Looking at the current points dated 9/16/03 it's clear to me that they don't include the 9-13/14-03 Gateway event, yet that date listed implies that they do.
Something like " Great Plains Class Points - including 9-13/14-03 Gateway Event " would be very straight forward and not create questions as we are seeing with the latest update.
Agreed--Mid Atlantic is recently updated and although it seems to include the last Summit event (9/6) I'm not sure if it does since the Summit results aren't even posted yet.
Ok i want to complain about the SE points ;D all joking aside Tiff i talked to you monday and you told me yourself they would be posted "tomorrow" (tuesday) it is now monday morning a week after i talked to you and leaveing for VIR thursday and still NO POINTS?????
thanks to you guys, i just got an e-mail by someone from CCS!! and, i didn't say anything. ;D
QuoteThanks for getting the points posted.
I just finished going through all my classes and comparing to what I had, and finding an issue with Am MW Superbike. Anyone else race this class that made the March Roebling event? Looks like the points from Roebling event may not have been included in the total.
:-/
From my spreadsheets, it seems that March Roebling Road did not get added to the totals. But some of the last Summit races (9/5-7) were.
Please correct it soon so Daytona Grids will be correct. I will make sure I bring copies of race results with me to Daytona
The point totals are off. Way off
By my totals evertyhing is there except the double points for Summit. I'll check again.
It was double points, correct?
Ok, so I think the responsibility for getting the points tabulated goes back to Ft Worth? Then the points are put on line by Chicago.
So, I think you have to go back to the source for the correct tabulations, right?
Tiff, can you help? Or who ultimately does the points in TX?
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It was double points, correct?/quote] yes, did they give you points from Barber?
So with 10 days left in the 2003 regional racing season, Great Lakes points have been "updated" to 9-16. Of course they're wrong. Great Plains is still dated 7-11.
As I learned myself years ago, if points matter to you, keep your own talley.
I was told yesterday that updates to the Mid Atlantic points (to include omitted Roebling points from March) would DEFINITELY be done today by a 12:00PM deadline. :-/ Where are they ??? We leave for VIR in a few days and they need be corrected ASAP before our last event. Tiffiney, please send me an email with the correct points... so i can figure out the necessary finishes to meet my goals. :-*
-brent
QuoteI was told yesterday that updates to the Mid Atlantic points (to include omitted Roebling points from March) would DEFINITELY be done today by a 12:00PM deadline. :-/ Where are they ??? We leave for VIR in a few days and they need be corrected ASAP before our last event. Tiffiney, please send me an email with the correct points... so i can figure out the necessary finishes to meet my goals. :-*
-brent
which include knocking me off the top 5 for good :P
Quotewhich include knocking me off the top 5 for good :P
Only because you're skipping VIR double points. Good luck at Daytona. I'll hopefully make it there one day. :)
Oh, get this. Try and send a mail message to Kevin Elliot and you get a reply that he is out of the office until Sep. 30. Who is left to make sure we get what we need and paid for ... points???
Here's the message...
Thanks for writing, unfortuantely I am on the road for the next week, I will return to the office on Tuesday September30th. If you have an emergency, you may call me on my cell phone (630-768-4996), otherwise I will reply to your e-mail after my return.
Thanks again, Good Day.
Kevin
Quote yes, did they give you points from Barber?
Smoke,
My points seem to be right in GTU, MWSS,MWGP,Sportbike, and UNGP except for Summit being a double points round, and being credited with only single points. I can't really get the MWSB figured out, I think it doesn't include the 1st day of Barber, but seems to be missing other races for both Hector & Donny. I'm definitely confused. ???
Here's an example of one of my dilemmas (like everyone else I'm sure). The only way I have even a snowballs chance in hell of winning the Sportbike championship is if I'm missing Summit points. Before leaving for VIR I would like to know if I'm 73 points behind, (like the points say), or only 17 points behind, (like my spreadsheet tells me). (The leader of the class crashed in the 1st lap and didn't get scored.) Huge difference and would make all the difference going into the last double points round!
Oh well... :-/
[quote author=Peanut Smoke,
I'm definitely confused. ???
Here's an example of one of my dilemmas (like everyone else I'm sure). The only way I have even a snowballs chance in hell of winning the Sportbike championship is if I'm missing Summit points. Before leaving for VIR I would like to know if I'm 73 points behind, (like the points say), or only 17 points behind, (like my spreadsheet tells me). (The leader of the class crashed in the 1st lap and didn't get scored.) Huge difference and would make all the difference going into the last double points round!
Oh well... :-/
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You have been raceing a lot longer than I have so u know I'm confused too.
But you are right a lot is screwey ( E.G. Summit was a double points weekend but if u look u will see that some people did get double points and others did not.)
The other good thing is you, hector, dafan,donnay and a few others will all be ex next year ;D yaahhhh for me!