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Racing Discussion => Racing Discussion => Topic started by: smoke on August 29, 2003, 08:51:04 AM

Title: Race in the rain ???
Post by: smoke on August 29, 2003, 08:51:04 AM
It looks as if the Summit weeked will be a wet one.  I have only had my street bike in the rain twice.
This will be my second race weekend. So I don't know if I should back out or buy rain stuff. Considering my rookie skill level what should I do?

Race  or  Back out
Title: Re: Race in the rain ???
Post by: Dawn on August 29, 2003, 08:55:16 AM
Buy rain tires, rain is fun....

(or at least that's what Paul says).

Dawn   ;D
Title: Re: Race in the rain ???
Post by: pitbtch#1 on August 29, 2003, 09:05:46 AM
Get u a set of rain tires.  Go out and have fun and take it easy till u get used to riding in the rain

Heath
Title: Re: Race in the rain ???
Post by: ecumike on August 29, 2003, 09:13:37 AM
DUDE, race in the rain!

It's not as bad as you think.  Even on DOTs.
I've done it a couple weekends, and depending on the conditions, I've seen up to half the people not racing b/c of the wet... so you may benefit from it from both experience AND race results.

It's not 'that' bad.

Of course, unless you race in LWs.. then yea you shouldn't race. (1 less person to beat me :)  )
Title: Re: Race in the rain ???
Post by: ecumike on August 29, 2003, 09:14:57 AM
Hell...  That's how, and the only way, I beat Davenport... TWICE... in the rain on DOTs at Roebling last time.
Title: Re: Race in the rain ???
Post by: KBOlsen on August 29, 2003, 09:35:29 AM
Get a set of rains... go out and kick butt!
Title: Re: Race in the rain ???
Post by: rick on August 29, 2003, 09:55:45 AM
Yeah, racing in the rain is a hoot!
I've never used rain tires before but, I hear they're pretty amazing. I've always mangaed on regular DOT's in the few rain races I've had the opportunity to participate in. Anyway, it's just like any other race only slippier. :)
Title: Re: Race in the rain ???
Post by: DanO966 on August 29, 2003, 10:33:09 AM
racing in the rain rules!!!!!!!!

I love the rain.

Just be smooth and do ONE thing at a time.
brake first then turn then get on the gas for example.
Title: Re: Race in the rain ???
Post by: Jeff on August 29, 2003, 10:44:37 AM
Racing in the rain is hilarious!  It's pure and simple survival of the fittest.  You putt-putt around the track at 1/4 your normal speed, and it's like being on glass.

Smooth throttle control, and early braking points will help you.  Take my advice though, make SURE you are slowed WAAAAAY down before downshifting...  I failed to do this and slid from the start/finish line at BHF all the way to the weeds in turn 1.  (what is that, like 100 yards I'd guess...)
Title: Re: Race in the rain ???
Post by: GSXR RACER MIKE on August 29, 2003, 10:48:51 AM
     I would say race in the rain also, it really is good experience, even though it may not be the most desirable situation. I haven't ever used rains before, only DOT's, but I also have heard that they kick butt! Keep in mind that you shouldn't use rains in dry conditions, so if you only have 1 set of wheels it would probably be better to use DOT's incase it rains only on and off and not enough to keep the track wet for all of your races. You may also want to soften up your suspension a bit for riding DOT's in the rain because you won't have as much corner load on the suspension. The stiffer suspension can cause your tires to lose traction in the rain by not letting the suspension compress easy enough to follow the road under the lower corner load (acting somewhat like not having suspension at all and sliding much easier). Just take it easy and don't make any sudden throttle/steering inputs.

     As stated before, racing in adverse weather conditions can definately give you an advantage in the points when others choose not to race. The experience will also help you when riding on tires that are getting slippery after alot of use.
Title: Re: Race in the rain ???
Post by: MELK-MAN on August 29, 2003, 10:53:03 AM
i had a blast. bought a set of full rains trackside at a track day at Jennings and had a ball. the tires really do get hot! like said above, be smooth. I actually short shift just a bit and soften the suspension just a tad. Little less lean angle too (obviously)..
Title: Re: Race in the rain ???
Post by: r6_philly on August 29, 2003, 11:07:03 AM
Race dude, race, just be careful and smoother in everything you do. It's not about going fast, but how to do everything you usually do without falling over.

Me and all my buddies are going to be there Wed - Sun, come by and say hi, we will help ya out if it rains. (and some of them are going to go out on DOT's)
Title: Re: Race in the rain ???
Post by: 1fastmofo on August 29, 2003, 01:23:09 PM
Yeah man,

I'm with everyone else, you'll be surprised how fast you can go when it's cold and wet. I did my race school in the rain and cold at the start of the year. I didn't want to ride and I was scared. After we were out there a few sessions it was ton of fun!  ;D
Title: Re: Race in the rain ???
Post by: hdpromos on August 29, 2003, 05:41:56 PM
Hey smoke! You're blowing smoke! Are you predicting rain for Summit 9/5-7? That's a week away! What have you got some kind of crystal ball? I've seen 5 day forcasts by professionals who are usually wrong. But 7 days by an amateur, that takes the "cake". Don't worry about it, take it as it comes. That way you won't get so stressed! ::)

HD
Title: Re: Race in the rain ???
Post by: twg on August 29, 2003, 07:26:47 PM
Weather prediction five days out is not the most accurate.  But if you plan on racing buy a spare set of wheels and rain tires.  A lot of good advice was giving already and depending on the track; rain tires handle almost as good as DOTs in the dry.  It is not uncommon to see guys dragging their knees at OHR (excellent traction track) on full wets and rain falling.

twg
Title: Re: Race in the rain ???
Post by: am_#65_john_deere on August 29, 2003, 08:19:30 PM
RACE IN THE RAIN.IT'S FUN AND YOU CAN GO A LOT FASTER THAN YOU THINK YOU CAN.RAIN TIRES HAVE SERIOUS GRIP.JUST GO AND DO IT.
Title: Re: Race in the rain ???
Post by: K3 Chris Onwiler on August 30, 2003, 04:12:13 AM
Steviebee and Dave Vaughn both won for the first time in the rain.  For Steve, it was the first time he ever tried rain tires, and his first time actually racing in the rain!
I led a race for the first time in the rain, but found some oil and crashed out of the lead.  Dang.
Title: Re: Race in the rain ???
Post by: clutch on August 30, 2003, 05:19:50 AM
Just dont worry about rain..it is too far off.  They called for rain back in the beginning of the year at Summit and I think we got rain mostly at night, damp track for morning practice but a dry line quickly evolved. Dont use rains unless it is soaked..this was what Dunlop man told me.  But in reality..dont listen to the weather forcast..  I am pre-registered so I am going out no matter what..hopefully I can afford rain tires but damn they are expensive!
Title: Re: Race in the rain ???
Post by: hdpromos on August 30, 2003, 07:03:53 AM
Listen to Clutch. He is the voice of reality.

HD
Title: Re: Race in the rain ???
Post by: lil_thorny on August 30, 2003, 08:10:30 AM
rain rules!!!
you won't believe this, but second blackhawk,
Stumpy got his first win in the rain, and I won 6 of
9 races...I think? anyway, i was scrapen the knee everywhere on my michelin rains. 1:24's in the rain!!
Benj. #30 and it was pooring!
Title: Re: Race in the rain ???
Post by: Xian_13 on August 30, 2003, 10:08:34 AM
If I am not mistaken... didn't Stumpy take an Overall win? Ex/Am in that rain race?
Title: Re: Race in the rain ???
Post by: Bsmedic on August 30, 2003, 10:24:22 AM
I got a set of good dunlop rain tires for sale if anyone's interested. I just want $75 for them. I have pic's if needed. Email me at Bsmedic75@yahoo.com

Thanks, Brian
Title: Re: Race in the rain ???
Post by: lil_thorny on August 30, 2003, 01:15:59 PM
yep, the flag man thought that gregg was a back-marker on the white-flag lap....he was a straightaway ahead of Super Dave.
Title: Re: Race in the rain ???
Post by: pitbtch#1 on August 30, 2003, 05:35:51 PM
Just remember if u are going to put rains on, I think the rule book says that the race director has to declare it a wet track.  Correct me if i am wrong guys. But i am pretty sure thats what it says.


Heath
Title: Re: Race in the rain ???
Post by: clutch on August 30, 2003, 08:03:55 PM
Shock...you are right..I think. :)
Title: Re: Race in the rain ???
Post by: smoke on September 01, 2003, 08:02:23 AM
Thanks ALL!!!!!!!!!!

I have made up my mind.  I will race no matter what!!