VHS Photography was out at Barber from Friday through Sunday taking awesome shots. If you didn't get a chance to stop by my trailer just shoot me an email....
What's your e mail address? :)
vsulpy@aol.com
Sorry!~
Have not heard any recent updates with regards to Brian or Rich. How are they getting along. Thanks.
G
Actually Brian came out to the track for one of the days. He is doing really good and so is Rich. Rich was supposed to come out on Sunday but he wasn't able to make it out.
Get a CD EVERYONE...all the pics she took were awsome ;D
Good to hear that Brian is out and about. Thanks for the update on both.
OK, How do i go about getting my CD with ALL my pictures ?
you ready yet ?
imona keep buggin ya...
Ike
QuoteOK, How do i go about getting my CD with ALL my pictures ?
you ready yet ?
imona keep buggin ya...
Ike
Ike, what's the deal with these crash photos you've mentioned not being available? Are they being used for an inquiry into the crash or something?
( I HEAR ) (i can say this, because i dont know the validity of it, so IM GUESSING, or SPEAKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT I HEARD)
1, i heard that a photographer was told that if those shots made it to the crashpage (RRW), they'd be sued...
and 2, you can release a version of those shots ( by cropping out certain parts of the photo)...but not the complete shot..
Im TOO "THROUGH"..... i just want my pic's...
but,
IF infact there is some liability to pay, and the big dog steps on evidence, and IF there IS a real case, do you fight it by destroying evidence, or do you step up, pay what you owe (or be ready to) and figure out how this thing went wrong and how to fix it in order to keep future issues to a minimum.....
or do you tell someone with a picture, "burn it or you'll be in court" ?
I'm just pleased to have experience Barber, and to have lived throught this accident, walking...... and the thought of the crash page fame has my mouth watering, i can use the exposure, may help....
but this crap kinda makes ME wanna threaten a suit, if i'd have been able to take the photos with me, i probably never woulve thought of how i didnt see a yellow flag....
but i have a feeling that this is just a "wait it out" issue..
Quote( I HEAR ) (i can say this, because i dont know the validity of it, so IM GUESSING, or SPEAKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT I HEARD)
1, i heard that a photographer was told that if those shots made it to the crashpage (RRW), they'd be sued...
and 2, you can release a version of those shots ( by cropping out certain parts of the photo)...but not the complete shot..
;D LOL, like John Ulrich (Head honcho of RRW) is afraid of controversy? LOL ;D
I have emailed a CCS official to try and get this straightened out. Yes I was told that if I tried to publish or distribute the photos that I would be sued and banned from CCS events. I sent the email on Sunday night and I have not heard a response back yet (it's Wednesday). I will try emailing them again tomorrow and will hopefully have some kind of response. I got home from Barber and opened the crash page in RRW and there's a crash in there from a CCS event. So I don't understand what gives...
I have never been told anything of that sort from a CCS official and Kevin has sat next to me as I looked at some of the crash shots I got. Who was it?
how about if I buy the pictures from you, then give it to RRW, would that be ok?
They certainly cannot stop you from selling pictures to individuals, that would be why you were there in the first place. Then They can't stop the paying customer from distributing the pictures.
Bottom line, they have no legal right to tell you what to do with the pictures unless you signed a prior written contract stating the purpose of the pictures. They can't just show up and tell you somethings, it would have to be disclosed before hand.
And as long as you don't give the pics to RRW yourself, then any copy right liability is not on your end.
Sounds illegal to me that CCS tell you that you can't release the pics. and to threaten to ban you is even more illegal. That would be "blackmail" and "distortion"
rumor has it that someone bought a CD before ccs told her not to sell them !!!
Speak up who has it !!
I like shooting CCS events and I don't want to get banned and I don't want to get sued. I didn't sign a form when I went it (no one asked me to) and I'm not sure of the legal aspects of it but it's really not worth it to me. After speaking with my assistants I learned that 2 CD's were sold before I was told not to sell or distribute...I have a feeling they are going to come back and bite me in the butt! :) I'm not sure who the customers were but I have a feeling the pics will show up eventually...
I can't type, it should have said, one of my assistants....
I still think it's BS. What I don't understand is...
1) On what grounds can CCS sue you?
2) How would releasing these photos make CCS any more liable?
I think just about everybody knows what happened... somebody runs out of gas, some stuff happens, Ike comes up at his usual FLYIN' pace ;) and the rest is history...
I understand completely why YOU aren't *willing* to release them. They CAN ban you from CCS events - it's their organization, they can do what they want. I just don't see how they can threaten legal action.
Disappointing, considering I've always found that if you crash, getting photos of it tends to ease the pain a bit!
(PS - I will be in touch with you.. I want my pics.. get 'em sorted yet?!?!) Green Suzuki Am#721...
I dont even see how they can ban you from their event because it is supposed to be a public event, not a private event. And to ban someone you have to have some legal ground to stand on, or they can't single you out.
Just the very action of them telling you not releasing the pics and threaten to sue, raises question that there may be some stuff that they don't want be liable of. Grounds for someone to sue them and get the actual truth behind the story. We crash all the time, get hurt all the time, and die some of the time, what is so unusual and different about this one? Are we not supposed to be discussing it either? Something is very wrong here, or they are trying to make it seem that way.
QuoteI have never been told anything of that sort from a CCS official and Kevin has sat next to me as I looked at some of the crash shots I got. Who was it?
Oh crap. Jack, I forgot to inform you. I will require all of my pics at no cost in order for you to continue taking photos for NESBA. LOL :) ;D
QuoteOh crap. Jack, I forgot to inform you. I will require all of my pics at no cost in order for you to continue taking photos for NESBA. LOL :) ;D
Hey wait, you already get all your pics at no cost. ;D :P I just forgot to tell you! ;D
Unless the photographers have to sign something before taking pics, I think that CCS threatening litigation is complete B.S. In fact, it's downright ridiculous. All the photographers are doing is documenting events. You're not there to harm CCS. If they sued, they'd lose (and probably set them selves up for a counter-suit). ::)
I guess I was supposed to sign something but I just started shooting CCS again. They told me after the fact....And again, I have no idea on the legal aspects, I've never had this be an issue before. I've emailed them again and I'm still waiting on a response.
Vicki:
I have never had much luck e-mailing ANY corporation. Give them a call and then ask for a follow up via e-mail or letter form. Here is the contact information.
CCS CONTACT INFORMATION:
Clear Channel Entertainment - Motor Sports
2501 Parkview Drive Suite 105
Fort Worth, TX 76102
fax: 817-870-9790
phone: 817-332-4822
Kevin Elliott - Director of Competition
Kenneth Abbott - Marketing & Promotions
Tiffiney Ingram-Kelcher - Event Manager (Event Info & Licensing)
Linda Hipps - Event Manager (General Info, Refunds, Licensing, & Entries)
Nicole Lewinn - Data Management (Licensing & Entries)
Good Luck!
Dawn :)
The photography release/agreement is part of the standard release that everyone is required to read and sign before coming into the event and/or the restricted areas of the event.
I have returned Vicki's e-mail and we are working towards a solution.
Out of respect to everyone involved, CCE/CCS does not condone the release of such photos until they have been examined by company representatives and released. Vicki was not there on behalf of any newspaper or media outlet so her requirements are much different than a news reporters are. There are plenty of photographs that just do not need to be distributed out of respect for those involved or just plain good taste, (we are not the Jerry Springer show), we do not thrive on the pain and suffering of our racers.
Full video/still photography guidelines and agreements are available upon request.
I did receive Kevin's email and he is trying to do what he can to get permission to have the photos released. I will be sending him copies of the photos in question for his review and we will just take it from there. He has a company to protect and I have a business to run so there are just a few issues to work out but I'm sure that in a week or so everyone will walk away happy.
sounds like as long as Stu and myself dont mind images of our 'unfortunate mishap' being publicized, no harm..... ?? no?.......
Thanks Kevin for commenting (thumbs up!)..
Vickie, hopefully you know that I'd like to see you profit, and not have any trouble with your business affairs, and that i havent seen any of the other nice shots that you spoke of having of the golden number forty machine, maybe you could post US one... pleaaase........
maybe you could post one of my "Super Man" impression also... (a cropped one) ... maybe...
(psst,.. shhhh... <whispering>... lets hunt down those "early released" CD's.... <continued whisper> .. keep it vewy vewy kwywet....) (this aint for everybody to know about)
;D
regular voice:
Ike 8)
QuoteThe photography release/agreement is part of the standard release that everyone is required to read and sign before coming into the event and/or the restricted areas of the event.
I have returned Vicki's e-mail and we are working towards a solution.
Out of respect to everyone involved, CCE/CCS does not condone the release of such photos until they have been examined by company representatives and released. Vicki was not there on behalf of any newspaper or media outlet so her requirements are much different than a news reporters are. There are plenty of photographs that just do not need to be distributed out of respect for those involved or just plain good taste, (we are not the Jerry Springer show), we do not thrive on the pain and suffering of our racers.
Full video/still photography guidelines and agreements are available upon request.
What if the parties involved would like to see them released or just to see them plainly? I do not believe it is right for "company representitive" to decide such matter unless the involved parties are not able to make such decisions, in which case the family of the parties involved should make a determination.
Dafan,
The company will not release photos that are not in good taste, regardless of the okay of those involved.
(The Pit Stud adventure comes to mind.....)
QuoteThere are plenty of photographs that just do not need to be distributed out of respect for those involved or just plain good taste, (we are not the Jerry Springer show), we do not thrive on the pain and suffering of our racers.
That perspective makes sense. As long as the organization is just making sure that the parties involved aren't opposed to the release of the photos.
QuoteWhat if the parties involved would like to see them released.....
CCS is one of the parties.
It more likely has to do with track insurance and bad press. People don't really crash at CCS events do they? Well maybe not--does the light go off when you close the referigerator door? ::)
What's the criteria then? Who judges what's acceptable and what doesn't have a Jerry Springer feel. As a photographer, how do I proceed? Do I wait until someone threatens to sue me or should I submit each potential crash photo to an organization already overwhelmed with its current processes?
Kevin, are you saying that the photo agreement is the same as the agreement you sign at the gate? Regardless, I'd like one, how do I go about requesting one?
I did recall last night that I was asked on one occasion to delete the photos I had taken of a particular activity. The reasoning made sense, it had to do with insurance. I agreed and complied.
Someone better get a hold of John Ulrich at RRW and tell him to can the crash page. ::)
I guess it's a good thing that Dave took the T6 picks of Purk and that it was an AMA race and not a CCS race. ;D
Would not want to give CCS motorcycle racing a bad reputation. ;)
G
QuoteSomeone better get a hold of John Ulrich at RRW and tell him to can the crash page. ::)
I guess it's a good thing that Dave took the T6 picks of Purk and that it was an AMA race and not a CCS race. ;D
Would not want to give CCS motorcycle racing a bad reputation. ;)
G
Hey, I took the pics of Purk, Dave took the pics of parrothead (I think) and the Space Shuttle launch. :)
G, now go turn off Springer and get ready for next weekend. :P
Oops, sorry about that. Yes, those Parothead shots were amazing.
Poor Purk, he will never live that one down. They even announced it at this years AMA race while he was taking final grid position. Kinda cheesy on their part.
I just wanted to ask you Vicki ...how many crash pics have you shot for AMA and WERA?... and how many times has WERA or AMA ever said they would sue you? just curious ;D
QuoteDafan,
The company will not release photos that are not in good taste, regardless of the okay of those involved.
(The Pit Stud adventure comes to mind.....)
That I really like to see ;D Sorry Kevin, I just like to critical of things 8)
I just wonder how poor taste is it? If someone would have gotten a video of me hitting the darn wall I would send it to real TV ;D :P
to destroy or not release photos for insurance reason is called "insurance fraud", I think you have heard about that on radio before?
to withhold photographic evidence in attempt to circumvent an legal or insurance investigation is illegal, I am sure you have heard of that too.
so I guess if something happens in an CCS/WERA event, I will never expect to find out about the truth or the available evidence? If someone died in the incident, and the investigating state troopers were told that there was some pictures, but CCS asked the photographer to destroy it, what do you think the outcome with be?
I think this sounded like less to do with "good taste", right from the start. And this is going to cause more PR harm than any "bad taste" photo will ever do.
And I don't hear anyone addressing the fact that the photographer was threatened with legal action and a ban???
Quoteto destroy or not release photos for insurance reason is called "insurance fraud", I think you have heard about that on radio before?
They weren't photos of an accident. The activity was not being investigated just something the officials thought the insurance might frown upon. Relax, not everything is a huge conspiracy.
boy, am i always in the middle of something or what ???
i hope im not bad for the sport......
i may get banned...
chjeezs
QuoteThey weren't photos of an accident. The activity was not being investigated just something the officials thought the insurance might frown upon. Relax, not everything is a huge conspiracy.
hiding some facts because insurance may frown upon? that sounds really cool there. What does it have to do with conspiracy? not disclose information to insurance could void the coverage as I understand it.
and tell me the insurance company didnt know that people crash into each other and die sometimes
but I will say no more. Lets just go racing and hope nothing happens.
Things will work out, I have faith!
Vickie, i havent seen
any of the other nice shots that you spoke of having of the golden number forty machine, maybe you could post US one...
pleaaase........
maybe you could post one of my "Super Man" impression also... (a cropped one) ... maybe...
Ike
QuoteDafan,
The company will not release photos that are not in good taste, regardless of the okay of those involved.
(The Pit Stud adventure comes to mind.....)
Does this mean that I can't publish the pictures of Super Dave in his bikini at the Wegman Auction? The bikini was a very tasteful blue... ;)
QuoteDoes this mean that I can't publish the pictures of Super Dave in his bikini at the Wegman Auction? The bikini was a very tasteful blue... ;)
LOL!!!!
Please, post just one for all the world to enjoy.
Dawn ;D
Good news everyone! I just got off the phone with Roy who is Vice President of Operations at CCE. Thanks to a friend of mine who knew who to call (Thanks JU), permission has been given to release the photos in any way I please. Yoo Hoo! First off, I'm sending them to JU to see if he will choose them for the infamous crash page. But I just wanted to give everyone a heads up that you will be seeing them soon! ;D. Anyway, I beleive that it was just a misunderstanding and individuals (myself included) not being fully aware of the policies....That said, I have some pics to send to JU.
Excellent! :)
Sounds like JU reaquainted them with the good old 1st Amendment. ;D
Vickie,
You know, you could give us all one of those
"you saw it first here" shots... since we are the community...
just a thought... (mine ARE in the mail, rite? ;))
and uhm.. Youre agreat person, and photographer too 8)
(above statement doesnt take anything away from Jacky B.) :)
Chef
outa here