>:(Hey Number 711 yellow plate green kawasaki man,GTO race at Roebling this weekend, were you absent when they were teaching holding your line when you are about to get passed.thanks for knocking me off and not having the balls to say "hey man, I screwed up, sorry"
There was a lot of crackhead stuff going on in that race.... like I never would have predicted that. At least from the new schedule out it looks like CCS is going to split up the next GTO's.
To all the new guys/girls and slower guys/girls; I know it is hard and sometimes spooky to hold your lines when someone dives in under you but be calm, hold your line and don't stand the bike up unless you have to. Ride the middle of the track. To the faster guys/girls when you pass a slower guy/girl try not to do it when you know you'll have to dive under them and take their line through a turn. I'm no instructor but these are my observation from witnessing both situations. IMHO
I have gotten smoked with my "early and often" braking into corners and appreciate it when the faster rider does not grab my line. I am going in slower, but coming out faster and if you are planning on grabbing a handful right in front of me that is just not cool.
I have always been willing to let the faster rider pass, just SHOW ME A WHEEL and I will get off the race line and let you by... Doesn't anyone other than a handful of track day folk practice this?
QuoteI have always been willing to let the faster rider pass, just SHOW ME A WHEEL and I will get off the race line and let you by... Doesn't anyone other than a handful of track day folk practice this?
I agree with both side of this subject, but sometimes the faster rider has to pass at much higher speed.
For example turn 10 in Summit Point (the last turn onto the front straight). In may where there were 60 people on the grid, I passed about 30 people and lapped about 30 people (I started 40 something and finished 16) thats 60 passes. I notice in turn turn, I routinely pass people at over 10-15 mph speed difference.
If I have to show you a wheel first I would have to slow down to you speed , then try to drive out of the corner at a lower speed. I ride a Stock 99 R6, if I slow down and not carry my regular speed, I would be left for dead by the blue shirts with 02' GSXR's.
My friend took a video from the pits of turn 10. and I realize that it does look pretty dangerous for me to dive under someone when they are braking and then take the racing line. BUT
1. I don't brake for 10
2. If I don't take the inside line, I would end up on the gator followed by a tumble down the front straight
3. slower/inexperienced riders tend to run wide (agree?) if you pass on the outside you take the chance of getting bumped of track on exit. I much rather take the inside line through a turn passing, because I can control my line and not run into the other guy, but could he?
But we all used to be slow at one point, and I hated being passed, or the worst, lapped because they were so much faster. It is something to get used to. Hold you line, keep your focus, let the faster guy pass you, rather than helping him out. you dont know which way he is going to go, so just keep doing what u doing.
I would never pass on a track day as I do in racing. Hey I have to report unsafe passing on trackdays :)
But hey, we are talking about a race here... as long as the passer don't cut you off, you really should try not to get in his way as well.
Philly,
I know what you're saying but unless there is money at stake and you're in a group of experts, that piece of wood or plastic is not worth the crash to yoiurself or the slower guy you're diving under. I've had to wait to pick my times to pass just to avoid this. Maybe I'm not as competitive as you but I like going back to the pits under my own power. IMHO
Not even purse money is worth crashing and hurting yourself or others.
However, I was trying to say, I can pick my spots and pass safely, can the passers don't get so spooked and hold their line.
As a passer you would take care not to take away too much, and not to get in too close, that's your responsibility, but as a person being passed, you still have the responsibility of going where you were going in the first place.
I would pick a line to pass another rider based on his entry and his line. If he holds his line, I would pass safely. But if he changes his line once he sees me pass, that is going to be a problem.
Actually, if you are in danger of being lapped, you should not use the perfect racing line. Give it more room on the inside. And don't drive all the way to the edge.
All I was trying to say is if thepasser and the one being passed both take caution and both do what they shoudl do, we would not run into each other or have close calls.
I totally agree. I always try to tell any newbies, that will listen, to ride the MIDDLE of the track. Give the faster guys/girls the fast lines. In the last event I attended at RR, it seems that this is happening more. There were very few crashes, especially in pratice. My last event at Moroso there were numerous crashes and most, that I witnessed, were caused by not "keeping your line". If the slow guys/girls stay out of the fast lines, they will learn to get faster, quicker. IMHO
Well, let me add my two cents from the other side of the fence. I don't get lapped too often any more except when the really built SV's show up (I ride and EX500). Most of my experience in getting lapped is from my rookie season a couple years ago when we use to combine lig
Well, let me add my two cents from the other side of the fence. I don't get lapped too often any more except when the really built SV's show up (I ride and EX500). Most of my experience in getting lapped is from my rookie season a couple years ago when we use to combi
Well that didn't work very well. Never mind, don't feel like typing it all in again!