that a: their riders are faster.
and b: that if you win in ccs, that it means nothing.
that's the consensus over there. turns out my eighteen wins in the year 2000 were hollow, and don't count unless you race wera. what a bunch of stupid illiterate dummies. like their 16's at roebling are faster than ccs's 16's. ::)
idiots i tell ya. idiots. no wonder why i quit racing with those stupid clique clowns. by the way. has anyone noticed on a wera weekend, how many crappy looking, {about to throw the rod slam out of the cases} bikes there are. what a professional outfit. ;)
Whaa Haaa Haaa Haaaa!!!
What are you trying to do? Get another "We're better than you - Look what they said on the other board" - thread going again? ! ? !
Too funny! - Stop beating that poor horse, it's dead already.
Dawn ;) ;D
nah dawn. just thought everyone should know that wera consistantly is delusional about their lap times. ignorance is bliss, and they are blistered. ;D
Hi, Brad. YOU SUCK!!! ;D
yeah i know. if you don't race wera, you suck too. ;D
wow, club racers that are faster than other club racers. what does a wera amateur run at daytona? ;D
Hey Brad, long time no see, why u over here starting troubles now?
That faster crap is just that ... crap.
We have had WERA novice winners coming over to CCS and not finish in the top 5. We have CCS AM rider go over to WERA and finish around the same.
Whats the illusion about the lap time? Don't everyone pad their laptimes when they tell others? Maybe WERA guys just pad it more cuz they got bigger egos... Its not really a good thing when you have to consistently tell others that you are faster than others without any proof.
Kinda wish WERA did use transponders, that would prove something. Or maybe I will just show up at the next summit or VIR and beat up on WERA regulars... Whichever works
Brad,
Do you want me to post over there what you are saying over here?
Are you getting bored or really hate WERA?
Get this...
I went to the Cycle Jam to ride endurance on someone else's bike. At VIR where I instruct with Conrnerspeed so I am at the track all the time, even in the rain on DOT's. I crashed twice in 2 days. I have crashed the last 3 WERA races I have been to over a 3 year period.
I have not crashed in a CCS race since I was an amatuer.
That is all the proof I need to stay away!
Who cares...
What matters is that I, and you all, race. Without us, there would be no need for AFM, CCS, WERA, et al.
I think all the rain is making everone a little irritable. ;D Too much "I hate WERA" or "I hate CCS". Can't we all just get along :-*
Hey!! didn't you all know that everyone sucks but me ;D :P
Brad Wilson you are the puddin' stick!
June 14/15 at Roebling was my first experience with the CCS transponder system. What a revalation -- they posted everyones lap times. Cuts out a lot of BS bragging. Many of us delighted in seeing the posted lap times of a wellknown WERA braggart who regularly posts claims to running 1:17's on his overbuilt Honda Hawk. We could not find our friend with any transponder lap times in the teens and it seems that a 4th race weekend novice was faster and winning some of the twins races overall.
Keep your eye on 17 year old James Chance out of Savannah Ga. A pure talent on a stock SV650.
the point isn't that wera sux. it is that they are highly delusional about their talent. they constantly state there how much faster/better than ccs. and i personally find it laughable. especially since wera/ccs liscense holders are usually the same people.
QuoteBrad,
Do you want me to post over there what you are saying over here?
Are you getting bored or really hate WERA?
Get this...
I went to the Cycle Jam to ride endurance on someone else's bike. At VIR where I instruct with Conrnerspeed so I am at the track all the time, even in the rain on DOT's. I crashed twice in 2 days. I have crashed the last 3 WERA races I have been to over a 3 year period.
I have not crashed in a CCS race since I was an amatuer.
That is all the proof I need to stay away!
well chuck, they would say you crashed trying to hang with the fast guys. ;D
I race with WERA & CCS. There is no need to go bashing and spewing BS.
If you have a problem with the ENTIRE WERA organization, than take it up with the proper person, not here on the BBS where it appears you are slamming all of WERA. Jeez in just a few threads down there is an entire field of complaints about CCS. Grow up.
I resent your comments.
My .02
Couple of things - Brad this is pitiful. Work getting you down or something? Your trolls used to be sooooo much better than this one.
WERA doesn't ever say anything about anyone's riders. We never have an never will. Some WERA riders may think this but what does that have to so with the sanctioning body as a whole?
that's a lie mongo. i've heard YOU insinuate it too. of course you won't come out and say it. especially in an exchange with world war III. face it, club racing is club racing.
I'll say it again..... I rule and everyone else sucks ;D
Quotethat's a lie mongo. i've heard YOU insinuate it too. of course you won't come out and say it. especially in an exchange with world war III. face it, club racing is club racing.
Only insinuated it to poke fun, never done so seriously and never would because it's silly. The fast racers run with more than one sanctioning body - it's how they get more track time and get to be the fast guys.
Everybody knows that I'm the man...for the first three laps anyways. Then I crash and hit trees, hills, and lakes. I guess it's cuz I run CCS. ;D
Mongo...being a very unbiased person cuz I don't care who I race with as long as I'm racing...I have heard a lot of trash talking by WERA members about the CCS sucking and everybody telling me to race with WERA cuz the guys are faster and I'll get better quicker....yada, yada, yada. Who cares...I say bring it to Daytona and let's have at it. By the way, i'd be happy to race in WERA if it wasn't so far for me to go and my bike was legal in the same classes. No fun riding against 110+ hp 600's on a 10 year old bike with 92. Hint, hint.... ;)
LOL - hint taken - but doesn't your bike need to run to make horsepower in the first place? :D
Also as far as riders tlaking smack - well duh. No different than Bradley going on and on about how CCS is better because they allow novices to race literbikes. People talk shit all the time in an effort to justify decisions they've made, no biggie. There is no easy way to quantify racers into one sanctioning body or another so no way to prove anything one way or the other. We both run club races and pro/am races and we've both had riders go on to World Championships (at least I think we both have). So what's it all prove?
lol, pretty funny stuff. mongo hit it right. what would a sanctioning body have to do with how fast someone is. people will always find a way to seperate themselves from other groups. and as dave said, we all race so who cares. 8)
Low blow Mongo...hey that rhymes. ;D The bike is running great now. It only had probs cuz I put the damn thing in the water...oops. As far as the hint goes...I'd love to ride some N-FL races on the CCS off weekends at Jennings and also come to the Grand Champs and maybe even a national or two, but only as a ltwt on this bike. I'll have a 600 by the middle of next year for the other classes. Keep me posted on your decision. :)
QuoteAlso as far as riders tlaking smack - well duh. No different than Bradley going on and on about how CCS is better because they allow novices to race literbikes. People talk shit all the time in an effort to justify decisions they've made, no biggie. There is no easy way to quantify racers into one sanctioning body or another so no way to prove anything one way or the other. We both run club races and pro/am races and we've both had riders go on to World Championships (at least I think we both have). So what's it all prove?
actually, i'm the one who got it right. i'm the one who says that club racing is club racing. i merely pointed out that wera's general consensus is that they are faster and proudly boast their stupidity regularly on their bbs. mongo comes on and says "i never said it" and then "oh, i said it, but i sas just kidding" and then "of course it's silly to say that, because we are both a politically correct organizations, and i'm now backing down from my previous smack." ;)
Max Biaggi just called me. He said both WERA and CCS racers are slow. :P
Yeah, but at least most of us aren't dicks like Biaggi. ;D
Carlos Checa just emailed me and said both WERA and CCS racers are slow too. :P
QuoteCarlos Checa just emailed me and said both WERA and CCS racers are slow too. :P
tell carlos that at least ccs, and wera racers can keep it upright. ;)
so I crash but still i go very fast and my rhythm is good. sometime my dream to win get beside me to just finish instead i crash so I'm still believing that CCS and WERA remind me of time I spend in the coast of Spain watching turtles.
Issues.....big ones....lol.
Hey D.O.C., I've raced in both org's. Who's faster, Who cares, we all SUCK. If any of us rode as well as we would like, we would all be getting hundreds of thousands of dollars to ride.(Just a minute, gotta put team Yamaha on hold). If you would like to prove yourself(in you own eye's as it seems you may have an iferiority complex). Come on out to MID-OHIO. Wera, CCS, or whoever, noone has races there=Even Ground. I keep seeing this come to Daytona Crap, who cares about amature Daytona. Come on out to Mid-O, try and win an AMA National Championship, oh yea they come with a nice #1 plate from AMA Sports. :-*
;D ;D :P :-* 8)
Quoteactually, i'm the one who got it right. i'm the one who says that club racing is club racing. i merely pointed out that wera's general consensus is that they are faster and proudly boast their stupidity regularly on their bbs. mongo comes on and says "i never said it" and then "oh, i said it, but i sas just kidding" and then "of course it's silly to say that, because we are both a politically correct organizations, and i'm now backing down from my previous smack." ;)
You can make shit up all you want Brad, still doesn't work. Come on, I know you can do better than this! I have faith in you man!
Would you prefer it if I say that Road A is a better road course than Daytona?
Then again I think that CMP is a better test of overall rider abilities since I feel that being able to adapt to multiple types of turns makes a better racer but that's just me.
QuoteYou can make shit up all you want Brad, still doesn't work. Come on, I know you can do better than this! I have faith in you man!
Now don't get him going Mongo......
This is a "nice" board. ;D ;D ;D
Dawn ;)
Quote.... I'm still believing that CCS and WERA remind me of time I spend in the coast of Spain watching turtles.
This just made me LOL in class :D
;D ;D
QuoteYou can make shit up all you want Brad, still doesn't work. Come on, I know you can do better than this! I have faith in you man!
Would you prefer it if I say that Road A is a better road course than Daytona?
Then again I think that CMP is a better test of overall rider abilities since I feel that being able to adapt to multiple types of turns makes a better racer but that's just me.
and i think that someone who has never raced a motorcycle should keep his pie hole shut on issues concerning actually racing a motorcycle. ;)
Jennings has the most types of turns in my eyes, minus of course elevation changes. The only thing it's missing is a tight chicane or second gear corner...but it better NEVER get that...lol. Fifth gear WFO knee draggers and third gear switch backs, fast left requiring braking while going back right....awesome riders track. And we all have events there. I say we have a knock down drag out there with all the top guys from each org. That'd be fun at the very worst. ;D
QuoteNow don't get him going Mongo......
This is a "nice" board. ;D ;D ;D
Dawn ;)
Awwww, but mom!!!
Okay, I'll see what I can do to drag him back to the other, more evil place ;D
QuoteAwwww, but mom!!!
Okay, I'll see what I can do to drag him back to the other, more evil place ;D
LOL!!!!
Dawn ;) ;D
Duc - how do you pick the reps form each org?
And have you been to CMP yet?
You know I haven't been anywhere but Florida, so don't rub it in...lol. Some day when I'm rich and famous I'll make it to more tracks. My opinion on selection would be by points in each region or by performance index with a minimum number of races, or by the results at each org's national finals (ROC, Grand Champs, etc.). You can't just do one way or you may exclude some good riders in areas nowhere near the finals, or riders that were injured, etc. I like the performance index and points system method. What's your idea?
No HP tracks...
Mid-Ohio? Ok, it's a nice location.
But the tracks' surface is closer to the surface of the moon. I mean, really guys, Blackhawk used to be bumpy and all, but Mid-O is absolute Cr@p. They must be paying pretty good to get an AMA event...OH, that's right, the AMA is located in Ohio...that explains it...
See everyone in Brainerd.... :P
Wait a minute. I think the point of this thread has taken a bit different tone than what Brad meant.
Even though I don't have anything against WERA as an org, he is 100% correct about what he said in his post.
The attitude on that board is that CCS and all their races are dangerous crash happy idoits spewing oil all over the track, running 1:45's at VIR.
Whatever.
If that is the case, then how come these WERA folks keep crashing me out of their races? I mean, I am _seriously_ worried about entering another event.
Easy Mongo, we'll pick from the people in each org whom racers started their careers with.
We'll take Colin Edwards as our first pick.
We'll take Nicky Hayden as our second pick.
And Kevin Schwantz will be the Team Captain.
Make your picks and we'll go from there ;D
Oh, wait, I need some more fire and brimstone :)
Sdiver sorry to tell you all the people you picked were CMRA racers which is now a CCS affliate BUT at the time they started CMRA was affialted with WERA.
If you want to add to that list you can put Fast Freddie, John Konsiski, Jamie James, Doug Polen and a few others that are escaping me at he moment.
WERA pulled out of Texas, CMRA is CCS now, we claim them ;D
See, I can add fuel to the fire :)
Shouldn't CMRA be able to send their own riders to represent them? I can take Kocinski, Schwantz, and Freddie. Well, I can take them out as they lap me anyways. ;D Can't do it to Hayden and Edwards, too big of a fan. Somebody else will have to take care of them. ;) I was talking current racers...and yes Mongo, we get to ride our bikes that are legal in CCS...so liter novices, and my old air-cooled Duc in ltwt. ;D
bfkidd - do you think possibly the problem might be with how you are riding? Just a thought...
Where the heck is the poking smiley anyway?
(https://www.ccsforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wera.com%2Fgraphics%2Fsmilies%2Fpokeit.gif&hash=c4037af55305a33b9adf4296da557e2778bdabd6)
Yeah, yeah...blah blah. CCS is slower, WERA is slower...is it patato or potato.
Just gimme some wheelies and a thumbs up in my corner...it's all good. ;D ;D
Henry fines us for wheelies...lol...but I'll give ya thumbs up. Mean old Henry.... ;D ;D ;D ;D
hi everyone,
i have small nads. i suck, i know that i suck, and
i'm not making any sense either. kinda like this
thread eh?
this racing thing is hard, and it sucks most of the time too. i mean come-on, i've entered 32 races
so far this year and finished only 31. it really sucks
when you have to race with mono. i only won 6 times
that weekend :'( and i've only won 5 times in the
last 2 weekends. and how bout the time that my
clutch lever broke going into t1 @ BHF on the first lap
of the GTU. had to pull in and push the clip-on back out so that i could turn...thanks Super Dave! got lapped by the field but i think i still managed a 4th
in that race. lapping most in return. that sucks.
you know what?
STFU!!!!
;D
Big ups to safety first racing....good luck this weekend Kevo!!!
and PJ keep er up on one wheel big gixxer power
SD, i'll see you Sat @ BIR.
Ebben, good luck @ VIR win some cash eh!!!
oh yeah, i'd like to thank all my sponsors and a big shout out to Ike for racing me clean and letting me pass you down the straight. Man that was fun, and didn't suck. hey Ike, you ever get tired of talking into that mic so much? I know I do. SUCKERS!!!!
4evah the shiznit talken fool that I is...
later,
Benji.
11wins, 6 seconds, 6 thirds, 3 fourths, 3 fifths, 1 ninth, 1 way back, 1 DNF.
pretty sucky eh? ;D ;D ;D ;D :P
QuoteWERA pulled out of Texas, CMRA is CCS now, we claim them ;D
See, I can add fuel to the fire :)
Can't claim them anymore. Check it out. http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/index.html
LOL! Timing is everything!
QuoteCMRA is CCS now, we claim them ;D
Not for much longer...http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=6507
Mongo,
Let's see... CCS: several regional championships, some wins, many podiums and 5 races a weekend in 11-12 weekends a year and no crashes.
Wera: 3 race weekends, 4 crashes, 1 lap completed.
It's either my riding or WERA racers are just plain dangerous! :o
QuoteMongo,
Let's see... CCS: several regional championships, some wins, many podiums and 5 races a weekend in 11-12 weekends a year and no crashes.
Wera: 3 race weekends, 4 crashes, 1 lap completed.
It's either my riding or WERA racers are just plain dangerous! :o
Ha ha ha, This was said earier in the year, but it was CCS races that were crash fest. You guys are just too funny. :P
Remember when it was AMA/CCS and WERA/F-USA? Yeah, nobody else remembers either because the racers are too worried about having the right to walk their dogs at the track instead of leaving them home like they should and nobody else in America even knows that roadracing exists. It seems like American race organizations are content with the size of the pie as it is rather than trying to tap into even the smallest percentage of the mainstream's attention. Keep us focussed on sibling rivalry so we don't realize that: 1) All the various organizations' riders are the same people. 2) Nobody in the mainstream gives a crap. 3) If we were in Europe we'd be celebrities, or at least people would stop asking me how far I jump. 4) If even one grandstand in the country were filled we'd be able to get SOME kind of sponsorship from outside the industry. Until something changes we might as well argue who the fastest Super Modified Shovel Racer is. Actually shovel racers get more press than we do.
QuoteRemember when it was AMA/CCS and WERA/F-USA? .... Until something changes we might as well argue who the fastest Super Modified Shovel Racer is. Actually shovel racers get more press than we do.
OH MY GOD!!! :o Someone who actually makes sense. I need to go sit down now.
QuoteBrad Wilson you are the puddin' stick!
June 14/15 at Roebling was my first experience with the CCS transponder system. What a revalation -- they posted everyones lap times. Cuts out a lot of BS bragging. Many of us delighted in seeing the posted lap times of a wellknown WERA braggart who regularly posts claims to running 1:17's on his overbuilt Honda Hawk. We could not find our friend with any transponder lap times in the teens and it seems that a 4th race weekend novice was faster and winning some of the twins races overall.
Keep your eye on 17 year old James Chance out of Savannah Ga. A pure talent on a stock SV650.
i consistantly ran 1:19's all weekend on my hawk. i ran 26's on my new single project. i won 7 of the 8 races i competed in. my margin of victory was as much as 30 seconds in some of the races. the turnout was light so i had no reason to try to break any records. to appropriately reply to this thread... the last time i ran 17's was at a wera weekend were the competition was much greater. keep on going to he races and get some more experience, then maybe youll learn that the fastest racers dont have to go fast all the time to win. did you win 7 races that weekend? did you win even one race that weekend? did you even race that weekend? would you like for me to post the ccs time sheets showing my actuall times in the teens?
::)
lightsmith made perfect sense and brought up some excellent points. So lightsmith, or anyone else for that matter, how do we fix it? I sure would like to look up on the cooldown lap at Gateway, Daytona, or Road America and see thousands of people cheering and waving! Those empty stands don't really care how well we race.
I live in the major banking area of the country. A friend came up to me at a party, he works at a MAJOR bank in marketting/promotions, and he says "So what's up with you racers? How come we can't get what we need when we're trying to help you? How come the major organization (AMA) that has the dates/events/teams doesn't care about expanding the fan base? How come the eager guys (F-USA) can't put a race on TV?" I told him about the Pocono F-USA a couple of years ago that was poorly produced (a lot happened but only the top 4 bikes got any coverage), but still beat the competing IRL or CART race for viewership. Basically I said that it's possible (without the AMA) but hasn't really been done right yet. The XSBA crowd also wants to grow their base. They are actually more mainstream in that their sport comes from the streetsquid drag race types whose numbers dwarf ours. There is actually a large number of outside-the-industry (roadracing) groups who see a potential, but don't know how to tap into it. Unless The RRW/Ulrich wing of the AMA makes serious changes now, the AMA should be marginalised. We need Clear Channel to see us as more than a writeoff and commit to full season of above average TV coverage. We need spectators at the track. Why not combine other events to attract non-riders like a car show or MX stunt jumping. What other areas does Clear Channel control that would also benifit?How about daytime outdoors concerts? Why aren't the people in charge thinking beyond our paltry fan/enthusiast base? We all now that roadracing is a hell of a lot more interesting than (name your average bore-ass sport here).
Quote(name your average bore-ass sport here).
Baseball.
Hell, the cheerleading and dance championships are broadcast on ESPN fercrissake. Of course, racers aren't wearing skin tight outfits with sequins and feathers. Seriously, I know it takes alot more to get this thing televised, but that's a whole different debate. No, everyone in the indusrty needs to understand that we all want the same result, quality competition in a receptive business environment.
QuoteHell, the cheerleading and dance championships are broadcast on ESPN fercrissake. Of course, racers aren't wearing skin tight outfits with sequins and feathers. Seriously, I know it takes alot more to get this thing televised, but that's a whole different debate. No, everyone in the indusrty needs to understand that we all want the same result, quality competition in a receptive business environment.
H3ll even the world poker championships gets more TV coverage than motorcycle road racing. ::)
QuoteHell, the cheerleading and dance championships are broadcast on ESPN fercrissake. Of course, racers aren't wearing skin tight outfits with sequins and feathers. Seriously, I know it takes alot more to get this thing televised, but that's a whole different debate. No, everyone in the indusrty needs to understand that we all want the same result, quality competition in a receptive business environment.
Hey, I kinda like the cheerleading stuff ;D
We could do without GOLF, POKER, BILLIARDS, LUMBERJACKING, FISHING,8 replays of every SPORTSCENTER, and BASEBALL. Kinda funny that ClearChannel own's about 80% of all TV/radio, and can't see the benifit of advertizing for their own series. Seem's like it might be helpful, sponsorship wise anyway to let people know about their events ::)
More excellent feedback on this subject. Everyone agrees that the potential of our sport is not being exploited. How do we impress Clearchannel, ESPN, or whoever else that we need to be thrust into the public eye? Discussing it here is a good start, but not the solution. Where do we go from here?
QuoteH3ll even the world poker championships gets more TV coverage than motorcycle road racing. ::)
Isn't that being coverd by Discovery or TLC? Maybe that's thw angle that could get some results, there's Monster Garage, Monster House and American Chopper. What is the production budget for those shows? We could do Awesome Racing, get a moderate budget, and see what kind of response a show like that would generate.
QuoteIsn't that being coverd by Discovery or TLC? .
It was. But ESPN (could had been ESPN2 too) was showing the 2001 World Poker CHampionships just less than 2 hrs ago. :o
Yeah, but one of them is covering the entire poker tour this year. It's on once a week...I think it's TLC.
I think its TLC airing the poker championships this year. Hell espn airs a spelling bee what the heck is that all about. the last time i checked espn was a sports channel so why air stupid crap like that or lumberjacking or any other "sport" like those. I agree the discovery channel thing might work i know that the Sunshine Channel here in Florida airs Hooters Pro Cup which is below Busch series racing for nascar. They air races from all over the eastern US we might want to check into that. They mgith do some coverage for us
I just coudnt imageing racing in front of a crouwd of spetators. WOW would that be cool..
MotoGP races gets 75 -100 thousand spectators !!!
AMA races gets 11-20 thousand spetactors !!!
Why ?
One reason (among others !!) A lot more europeans use motorcycles as a means of transportation !!! Rememeber guys 1! there cheap ! and fuel efficient !!
Its not like that here in the states !! Motorcycles are seens as a status symbol/hobbie/whatever not a viable means of transportation (there dangerous remember, (no comment))
FYI
I edited mbmotorsports post and removed s_minella post. The tone and language was inappropriate.
Dawn
QuoteThe tone and language was inappropriate.
Well, imagine that? :o :o :o Racers who use "inappropriate" language. I never. ;) :D ;D Thanks for keeping it clean Dawn. Guess we gotta watch our p's and q's...oh and our "thingys" as well. ;D ;D ;D
Ok, FUSA and WERA? FUSA was at Willow Springs...it wasn't WERA's idea.
AMACCS? Well, Roger Edmonson worked for WERA, created CCS, and then tagged the AMA along with it. Roger is probably most responsible for getting the AMA program going at the pro level. CCS and WERA both reaped benefits from his chasing the industry for product contingencies. Wasn't much available when I started. Before WERA, and before CCS, the AMA had very little road racing. About all there was at that time was the AFM in California.
As for where riders come from...
WHO CARES...
The organization doesn't ride the bike...those riders do. It was because of their special God given tallents, opportunity, and luck that they got where they were...
And with out the any riders, no organization would exist.
I was talking to a cousin of mine who's in a band. When their record company was bought by the big guys his band's CD suffered. Basically they were set to finally put out the CD that would get them over the top (sounds like a bad start, huh). They had a big fan base from touring and their last 2 CDs and been used as promo music for the X games and on a movie soundtrack, etc. Their new CD was put off for another year, wasting all their promotion up to that point, and they had to re-work it to please the execs. When it did come out, the company barely promoted it at all and the changes made to the songs fell flat with their existing fan base. I asked him why the big company would screw it up so obviously and he said that they put out a certain amount of material (music, videos, events *like the Pocono race*) that they know won't work. For cheap, they write off the loss and they get a lot of items to put on their "this is what we did this year" list. Incidently, the band is touring for the last time this year. The title of the tour...Fark you, we quit! Tour.
Quote How do we impress Clearchannel, ESPN, or whoever else that we need to be thrust into the public eye? Discussing it here is a good start, but not the solution. Where do we go from here?
Very good questions/points, Kris. How do we impress them, you ask? How about this (an easy one): Show them the money.
Why is NASCAR so huge? Forgetting for a moment about why it attracts fans - which is also key - check out the value of the sponsorship deal that Nextel just signed, replacing Winston (as in Winston Cup): http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/20/sports/othersports/20auto.html?ex=1057118400&en=7db5bb42853bba8d&ei=5070
It's big bucks. And the money isn't just from butts on seats at races, it's the ad revenue from TV that makes it all happen. Now, look at what's going on with Speed Channel, and them considering *dropping* MotoGP coverage...why would they drop it???? Could it be, that they don't get enough eyeballs, to justify high ad charges, to make it worth their while airing it???
Why don't they get enough eyeballs? Hmmmm - now that is a good question - someone posted earlier about the difference between the US and Europe on this point - how we use bikes as a hobby, they use them as a means of transport.
That could be - and if it is, then maybe one approach is to build a grass roots level of interest in our sport, by encouraging friends and family to come watch us race. Then maybe that would start some word of mouth, which would in turn fuel more interest in our sport - if in fact the possibility to grow interest in this sport actually exists. It may not - our friends/family may show up and decide - "you know, that really isn't something I can relate to at all, and I'm not that interested in it." In which case, the probability of big bucks, big crowds, and all the rest, is pretty low.
Of course, that's my $0.02 (ok, may that was more like a $1.20...).
QuoteNow, look at what's going on with Speed Channel, and them considering *dropping* MotoGP coverage...why would they drop it???? Could it be, that they don't get enough eyeballs, to justify high ad charges, to make it worth their while airing it???
Talked with Dave Sadowski Friday or Saturday...they are not dropping the bike racing stuff, just moving it to locations that they received as requests for different programing times...
QuoteThat could be - and if it is, then maybe one approach is to build a grass roots level of interest in our sport, by encouraging friends and family to come watch us race.
Well, yeah, that would start it.
But first, it would require "teams" at the club level to dedicate themselves to running a series, uniforms, anything that makes it all look more professional.
And remember...friends and family, and fans, conversely, don't necessarily come to watch the racing, they come to see YOU race...or a name...Miguel, Mat, Kurtis (even though many don't like him....).
QuoteFYI
I edited mbmotorsports post and removed s_minella post. The tone and language was inappropriate.
Dawn
please remove the entire post because now its what you said and not what i said. you took out the most important part of what i said........the point of the post itself. what is this place - some kind of church? for gods sake you can say ass on television.
HOW TO CREATE INTEREST IN MC RACING:
Of the people who buy motorcycles in this country, what % of these are ever offered a chance to go and ride a real racetrack. I would be willing to bet that 95% of them have no idea that they can. I know that us racers tell everyone how great it is, but how many of us actually get people to go to a trackday? With the number of good trackday organizations that are in operation now, we all have opportunitys to get people to the track. Outsiders may watch our racing on tv, and not get it. Worse yet, when they go to an AMA event without any knowledge of the skill that it takes to acheive that level. The next pro race that you go to, take a few minutes and watch the bikes go by, most AMA tracks are very wide, and spectators are quite a ways from the track. Both of these things distort the speed at whitch the racers are going. At your local track stand on hot pit, watch bikes go by, WOW, they look fast. Small track, bikes 5 feet away, no doubt about the speed there. I believe that as trackdays get more common, and more people get the experience our sport will grow, and so will the $$$$ available. I grew up racing MX, then it was mostly box vans and pickups driving to the races, look at it now.
I hate to say this, but we need the street squids, the dealers, and mostly the trackday orgs. The more dealers that offer trackdays to buyers of sportbikes(free), the more people will become exposed. I know that's easy to say (free), but I don't see how it would hurt anyone. Dealers will sell at least the same amount of bikes (maybee more), and Trackday org's. will have a broader base of people who have gotten the bug. If they came together I'm sure all would profit. And thus our sport will grow ;D
OK, now I'm just rambling, but, if I had never raced a motorcycle, I wouldn't watch it on TV :-X We are all into racing and most of us still can't stand to watch some forms of racing on tv. (nascar, drag racing, IRL, Boats(all types))
In the hay day of Suzuki Cup racing, racing was big. Now, with all the track days, racing has diminished. Ask the racing organizations.
So, that one doesn't work.
Regardless, in the population of motorcyclists, only a select few will actually ever go to a track day, let alone race.
Racing should be exciting and it should have personalities. Again, I'm not there to see a Suzuki GSXR1000, I wanna see Maldin ride the wheels off it. That kind of stuff will attract people.
Quoteplease remove the entire post because now its what you said and not what i said. you took out the most important part of what i said........the point of the post itself. what is this place - some kind of church? for gods sake you can say ass on television.
Matt:
If you wish to remove your post, you can do so by clicking on the "Remove" link on the top right of your post.
I removed one sentence in your post who's only purpose was to incite a reaction. It was not necessary to make a point.
No, this is not church, and I really don't care what you can and cannot say on TV. I do however care for everyone on this board and expect that all, no matter who you are, are treated with repect.
Dawn
Super Dave, you are right on the money!
HD
I like the idea of track days for licensed racers only now and then. it provides some incentive for track riders to race with us and bring our entries and exposure up. Just an idea.
[quote
Racing should be exciting and it should have personalities. Again, I'm not there to see a Suzuki GSXR1000, I wanna see Maldin ride the wheels off it. That kind of stuff will attract people.[/quote]
Agreed, but if you didn't have an interest in football, would a guy scoreing 50 touchdowns in a game make you watch, not me. A couple years ago 2 baseball players crushed every record for hits ever, I just didn't care. Maybee I am wrong(not the first time ;D), but I think that people who never get interested in racing, or real performance of motorcyles will NEVER watch racing. Even though we all can't live without it.
The big problem with motorcycle racing is that in order to enjoy it on TV, you gotta see it in person first. It's alot like NHL hockey. Sucks on TV until you've been there. then it's awesome! Motorcycle road racing has a unique sound, smell, sense of danger and excitement, and feel that is different from all other motorsports. We gotta figure out how to put butts in the stands. I just don'e know how to do it. I guess I do my part...I've brought several new people the the races this year, and almost all of them have become enthusiasts.
That's why we need the bait-and-switch. Bring unwitting people to the track for a custom car show or something during a race weekend. A bunch of them would never get around to even looking at the cars because of all the action they'd see on the track. Convincing people to travel and pay to see something they can't even imagine is nearly impossible. Once you've seen it, you want more. We could do it without going to Clear Channel too by having the tracks renting space to the other eventers. A car show would have its own PR work being done. There's plenty of room at every track I've been to.
I think just spreading the word about racing and track days helps. I try to talk everyone I know into buying a sportbike. When I succeed I then start working on them to take an MSF course, and then to come do a track day with me. I have gotten several people out there who otherwise wouldn't do track days and probably wouldn't even ride. And for those who will never race, well, they have kids who see their dad out there on the bike and immediately get sucked into watching the races. It won't help us out that much, but if done enough then by the time those kids get old enough to race maybe the fan base will be bigger.
Besides, I figure doing something, anything, is better than doing nothing and just complaining about how it sucks.
BTW, if you post to other groups then invite some of those people out to help you in the pits (even if you may not need it). I actually needed it this past weekend, but I managed to get 3 guys out to help me. 1 of them had never been to a race or a track day but is now really looking forward to at least doing a track day. Hopefully things will take off from there and we will have another convert...
dawn, the bulletin board nazi. ::)
care to burn any books you don't like? ;)
**edited for spelling.
Quotedawn, the bulletin board nazi. ::)
Not the worst name I've been called.....
Quotecare to burn any books you don't like? ;)
I don't know. Do you have any ideas? ;) ;D
Dawn :D
QuoteAgreed, but if you didn't have an interest in football, would a guy scoreing 50 touchdowns in a game make you watch, not me. A couple years ago 2 baseball players crushed every record for hits ever, I just didn't care. Maybee I am wrong(not the first time ;D), but I think that people who never get interested in racing, or real performance of motorcyles will NEVER watch racing. Even though we all can't live without it.
I hate baseball and basketball. But, if there was a game with Michael Jordan in it, I would take some time out to watch him. I can understand that he has an art about him that others do not, and I could appreciate it.
Back to personalities... Is there anyone that would NOT recognize "King" Richard Petty? NASCAR does a great job promoting personalities. I'd bet know that racers I know missed Freddy Spencer and Kevin Schwantz at Road America.
Motorcycle Road Racing IS exciting to watch. Speedvision has finally stopped filming the bikes like NASCAR where they pan the bikes the same size in the frame; now they let the bikes come close and get full frame. This gives you an opportunity to see little bits and pieces of the bike, and especially the rider, close up. This is exciting stuff! But the riders are mortal. Not enough is done.
That camera view from the curb in T1 at BIR was AWESOME! :D I like the car show idea. There is room for a decent sized one at Moroso at the back side of the pits. Maybe I'll talk to Henry about trying that later this year or early next year. Hmmm.....
QuoteThat camera view from the curb in T1 at BIR was AWESOME! :D I like the car show idea. There is room for a decent sized one at Moroso at the back side of the pits. Maybe I'll talk to Henry about trying that later this year or early next year. Hmmm.....
Some of the coolest things I have been in were:
A vintage airplane fly in along with a vintage car race and vintage motorcycle race. I like planes. And I can appreciate a '70 Boss 302 Mustang at speed along with little Mini Coopers.
Races through the streets of Steamboat Springs, CO and Park City, UT. Steamboat had the races for probably twenty years. Big event. Too much construction so, it got moved to Utah. People could watch while grilling out in the back yard of some condominums while I'm flying down some sweeping turns flat out in fifth going curb to curb on a CB400F. It is a bit dangerous, but you don't ride it like your local race track.
There was always talk about having a night race at Gateway International Raceway. I still think it would be a cool idea.
Quote I'd bet know that racers I know missed Freddy Spencer and Kevin Schwantz at Road America.
That's very true. Last year I stopped Schwantz at Mid Ohio for a minute but he seemed to go largely unnoticed by most of the other fans. I found Freddie too but I think more people knew who he was (or maybe it was just the halo effect of being close to Nicky in the Honda camp, LOL).
Honda spent a lot of money advertising Freddis Spencer during the early Superbike haydays of the late '70's early '80's. He was almost a house hold name. You would think that he won the Championships, but it was Eddie Lawson that was the champion.
Honda, and I think Peter Starr, realized that they could sell Freddie Spencer as a personality and make the CB900F look like a winner.
QuoteI don't know. Do you have any ideas? ;) ;D
Dawn :D
yeah, start with the first twist of the wrist book, and then that soft science one.
Kieth Code's books, huh. Why not go straight to the top then with Dianetics? ;D
QuoteKieth Code's books, huh. Why not go straight to the top then with Dianetics? ;D
at least that book makes sense. have you tried to read "soft science"? woah.
Quoteyeah, start with the first twist of the wrist book, and then that soft science one.
LOL! Yeah, I'll second that...
;D
I liked the second twist of the wrist book. :-[
QuoteI liked the second twist of the wrist book. :-[
yeah, that's why i skipped over that one. TOTW 2 is decent.
QuoteMatt:
If you wish to remove your post, you can do so by clicking on the "Remove" link on the top right of your post.
I removed one sentence in your post who's only purpose was to incite a reaction. It was not necessary to make a point.
No, this is not church, and I really don't care what you can and cannot say on TV. I do however care for everyone on this board and expect that all, no matter who you are, are treated with repect.
Dawn
By who's standard determines a comment as being deemed as only to incite a reaction? By who's determination do we measure respect. What you may feel as being one thing, others may not. I would hope that we are all adult here and can behave accordingly but I can not agree with post being edited to one persons "standards". Sorry. ??? :-X
QuoteBy who's standard determines a comment as being deemed as only to incite a reaction? By who's determination do we measure respect. What you may feel as being one thing, others may not. I would hope that we are all adult here and can behave accordingly but I can not agree with post being edited to one persons "standards". Sorry. ??? :-X
word. that is why this board will never be as good as the "other" board. ya'll play nice now, or i'll edit your posts. ;)
Sorry, guys...
I'm on Dawn's side here.
If she feels it was necessary to do something, it might have been the right thing to do.
May not have too, but I'm not to worried about it.
no side picking necessary. it won't change my opinion. that was lame.
Quote... I would hope that we are all adult here and can behave accordingly but I can not agree with post being edited to one persons "standards". Sorry. ??? :-X
Dawn is the moderator here and it is her right as such to edit or remove any offending posts. I didn't read the post she edited so it is not my place to opine on whether she was acting as an internet "nazi". My guess is that she was acting in good faith for the bulk of the forum members, and as such appreciate her efforts. We luv ya Dawn.
you know, communist germany thought it was doing best for it's people too.
The topic of "enlarging" the fan base brings a thought to mind for all you local DC area enthusiasts...
Have you been hearing the radio advertisements for the "Hyper Fest" @ Summit? This is a sport compact car event, not that I have anything against hi-rev machines...but c'mon, has anyone heard anything, anywhere about a CCS or WERA or FUSA event at Summit? Hell no, I sure haven't. But Clear Channel still won't do any on-air stuff for mc roadracing there. Maybe it's all the hype with the Fast & Furious syndrome, maybe's it's the fact that there are more car enthusiasts...I dunno. ???
My thought, air more radio commercials/advertisements about mc roadracing anywhere, and it's likely to help grow the fan base.
But in the same sense, it's hard for someone to even imagine what it's like to attend a roadracing event @ SPR or VIR or Daytona. Get someone there once, and most of em are hooked...
Just my opinion... ;D
who edited that last post? you or dawn? ;D
QuoteThere was always talk about having a night race at Gateway International Raceway. I still think it would be a cool idea.
BTDT. Did an Endurance into the dark the first year at the new track. Too expensive to repeat tho.
QuoteDawn is the moderator here and it is her right as such to edit or remove any offending posts. I didn't read the post she edited so it is not my place to opine on whether she was acting as an internet "nazi". My guess is that she was acting in good faith for the bulk of the forum members, and as such appreciate her efforts. We luv ya Dawn.
Thanks everyone for your support. I appreciate it.
Brad (THE_D.O.C), I really think your name should be THE_INSTIGATOR. ;) :D
Dawn ;D
spyderchick ain't everyone. ;)
Quotespyderchick ain't everyone. ;)
I'm not? :o What are all these voices I keep hearing? ??? I thought I WAS EVERYONE!!!! Now you tell me I'm not?? Who am I to believe? Is anything real? ??? AAARRRRGGGGGG!!!!!!!
You know, I really do work some days. ;) ;D
QuoteYou know, I really do work some days. ;) ;D
Yes, you do. As a matter of fact, y'all should see the
awesome job Alexa did on my leathers. Gotta be worth two, maybe three seconds a lap - and people are gonna wanna follow me, cuz my back looks soooo cool. 8) ;D
Thanks!!
Hey Castle228! Maybe if you put a huge bumper sticker on your 4-wheel hyper rocket that read "CCS 2-Wheeler's are more SEXY" and went to Hyper Fest, we might get a little more action up at SPR!!!
See ya in 2 weeks! ;D
QuoteThanks!!
You are most welcome. :D You have mail, BTW.
Here's some ideas for generating some intrest in club racing that a couple smaller clubs are trying. SMRI who races at Sandia in Albuquerque is lucky enough to have a track with grandstands from which you can see most of the track, and they get some spectators out there. They are looking into running an exhibition race during the stock car races to expose more people. Those roundy round races bring in a good amount of spectators, even if they're local guys driving limited late modles, they're still NASCAR.
At Arroyo Seco between Deming and Las Cruces, we'll usually get around 10-20 or so spectators for the races. This isn't counting friends and family. There isn't much else to do in Deming, and the races get advertised, and race writeups apear in the local papers. The new track owner (Roger Heemsbergen) is working to get some decent stands in place and some shade for the spectators to howfully bring more out.
Local advertising works, and CCS isn't doing it. If you have a local sponser such as a shop or resturant, ask them to post some information on your races.
A lot of our tacks (at least in the southwest) leave something to be desired in terms of facilities. Who (non-racers) would want to watch a race at Firebird East? We'll get some friends and family to show up and hang out in the pits, but it hard for them to watch much of the racing. But what can we do about that?
-z.
QuoteThe topic of "enlarging" the fan base brings a thought to mind for all you local DC area enthusiasts...
This August is the 100th anniversary of Harley. So in the close vicinity of Milwaukee there will be about 500,000 bikes/riders? Many attendees will be Euros who are familiar with bike racing.
Couldn't some kind of race been held at the Milwaukee mile in conjunction with the HD events? Maybe an all-Buell ROC - or a Motard race? Low price admission.....combine it with a truck pull/demolition derby/Harley drags/coleslaw wrestling or something just to get bike/race fans to attend?
Paint the bikes in NASCAR colors......invite celebs like Leno/Fonda to pit for teams? Invite the NASCAR drivers if you think it will help draw a crowd.
If you can't get the fan base to come to you.....go to them.
;D
You're assuming that all H-D riders are motorcycle racing fans... at least they ride bikes, but some are just posers. Ask a TRUE Harley-Davidson enthusiaist.
The Milwaukee Mile was the site of a CCS race in 1988, and then again for a 883HD race in like 1992 or 1993. It's the wrong place for motorcycles to race.
Attract people? Tell 'em I'm coming...When I was doing a lot of racing with AHRMA on a CB400F, we had people that would come out just to watch us. We were underpowered, but I would win. People just wanted to hear the 400/4 wail its cylinders.
QuoteBrad Wilson you are the puddin' stick!
June 14/15 at Roebling was my first experience with the CCS transponder system. What a revalation -- they posted everyones lap times. Cuts out a lot of BS bragging. Many of us delighted in seeing the posted lap times of a wellknown WERA braggart who regularly posts claims to running 1:17's on his overbuilt Honda Hawk. We could not find our friend with any transponder lap times in the teens and it seems that a 4th race weekend novice was faster and winning some of the twins races overall.
Keep your eye on 17 year old James Chance out of Savannah Ga. A pure talent on a stock SV650.
this cat comes in here and shows his "respect" for me and lies about laptimes that were posted all weekend (mine in particular) by ccs via transponder and then insinuates ive lied about my laptimes in the past. doesnt mention i won 7 races that weekend and is apparently stunned to biblical proportions that i didnt run fast enough laptimes to win the races.
so i tell him to stick it up his ass and i get the back of MY hand slapped with a wooden ruler????? and this persons post remains intact??????
i even changed ass to rectum?? im confused, but at the same time i dont really care.
Crashed? Nah, rectum... :o
Quotethis cat comes in here and shows his "respect" for me and lies about laptimes that were posted all weekend (mine in particular) by ccs via transponder and then insinuates ive lied about my laptimes in the past. doesnt mention i won 7 races that weekend and is apparently stunned to biblical proportions that i didnt run fast enough laptimes to win the races.
so i tell him to stick it up his ass and i get the back of MY hand slapped with a wooden ruler????? and this persons post remains intact??????
i even changed ass to rectum?? im confused, but at the same time i dont really care.
Matt:
In your original post your told all of us to "stick it up our collective...."
I nicely and politely stated that that wasn't necessary. You then stated you changed it, big deal, it didn't change your intent.
Then another person responded to your post in a very crude, inappropriate way. He or she used names of other racers and I am sure that they would not appreciate being "used" as such. That post was deleted.
I could have simply done this without telling anyone, but I chose to be up front about it. Everything has repercussions. Just as your posting on this BBS or others does. Remember, you shared that you are an instructor for one of the road racing schools. Posts like yours above does not help your credibility, nor does it put a favorable light on the school you represent, or the businesses that you own.
If you are at MAM or BHF and would like to discuss this in person, I would be happy to sit down with you.
Dawn
No, no, no!
Don't entice him to come out!
We'll just ridicule his lap times and tell him ours are better! ;D ;D ;D
geeeeez, what's wrong with that? you guys DO watch prime time televsion at night don't you. it's not like matt posted some scat pics or anything. ::)
Quotegeeeeez, what's wrong with that? you guys DO watch prime time televsion at night don't you. it's not like matt posted some scat pics or anything. ::)
Nope, we don't have none of that fancy electricity where we live......
..... so no T - V for meeee......
Dawn ;D
in my original post i told the postee to stick it up his ass, the postee and his buddies that experienced the revelation, not this board. read it again. im a big boy and take full responsibility for my mouth, both with my teaching for learning curves (rick breuer) and my personal businesses. thanks for your concern though, i know you mean well and this is your house.
if there is any way possible for me to see the reply to my post, i wish it to happen, send it to me in private. ill keep it and any retaliation off this board. ill pay you for it, name your price.
or tell the person to email it to me directly, just get it to me, i live for sh-t like this.
Quoteif there is any way possible for me to see the reply to my post, i wish it to happen, send it to me in private. ill keep it and any retaliation off this board. ill pay you for it, name your price.
Sorry Matt, once the post is deleted there is no getting it back. You may want to PM s_minella. That is the person that responded to your post.
Take care,
Dawn ;)
s_minella person, please email your response to my post to:
a4n4g4us@aol.com
i never saw it, im dying to read it. hurry please, i cant stand the anticipation!!!!
thanks alot for deleting it DAWN!!! id have given you $100 for it.
sorry for "Using" your bbs for my entertainment dawn.
Landrew says...
"...YOU WILL BE ABSORBED..."
Rectum? Damn near killed 'em! :o
QuoteBack to personalities... Is there anyone that would NOT recognize "King" Richard Petty? NASCAR does a great job promoting personalities. I'd bet know that racers I know missed Freddy Spencer and Kevin Schwantz at Road America.
I'm not a racer but...
I swear to god I would not recognize the Petty dude if he slammed me over the head with a bat.
However, I did see Schwantz on several occasions at RA. I always try to make Stumpy "go say hi" and he gets mad at me ;D.
I bet that s_minella guy didn't run at all. I know he didn't win 7 races. There is always some jackass that has to run his mouth on the board and not in person. Oh, yeh I forgot...... amateurs know it all.
As for James Chance the amatuer that was doing 17's..... He is very fast. I give credit where credit is due. But on another note, he pulled some dumbass crap that weekend when he didn't need to. When you are like 20-30 seconds ahead of the 2nd place guys. There is no reason to pull crazy moves on lapped guys or experts you are passing.
Also DAWN.. if you decide to edit this... then just remove the whole thang. Be a moderator not an editor in chief :P
QuoteAlso DAWN.. if you decide to edit this... then just remove the whole thang. Be a moderator not an editor in chief :P
I won't edit it because there is no reason to. While I may find your language a bit harsh, I have not in the past edited a post just for that.
However, as a moderator, I will maintain the spirit of this board. A board where one can come and talk about racing in an environment that is not offensive, crude or violent. It is a judgement call, and it is mine.
Trey.... You were and amatuer once too. If you knew it all then, you must know it all now too.
:P
Dawn
Freedom of speech guarantees that the Govn't won't shut you up. Doesn't mean that you are free to use private outlets in a way that the owners' don't like.
BTW: Don't anybody bring up the dog or you're likely to be bitten by the owner regardles of what sticks out of its (the dog's) collective arse.
Yellow plates know all. White plates stayed out in the sun too long and periodically hit their heads hard enough to need a drive home; hence, they don't know what they used to. In fact, why else would they keep spending their retirement? A plea to the novices!! Quit before it's too late!!!!!!!!
QuoteMatt:
If you are at MAM or BHF and would like to discuss this in person, I would be happy to sit down with you.
Dawn
Dawn, Matt is one of LCRs east coast instructors, he will not be at MAM or BHF.
QuoteDawn, Matt is one of LCRs east coast instructors, he will not be at MAM or BHF.
Thanks Brian ;)
QuoteYellow plates know all. White plates stayed out in the sun too long and periodically hit their heads hard enough to need a drive home; hence, they don't know what they used to. In fact, why else would they keep spending their retirement? A plea to the novices!! Quit before it's too late!!!!!!!!
LOL!!!
Dawn ;D
QuoteDawn, Matt is one of LCRs east coast instructors, he will not be at MAM or BHF.
Why? Is he on a leash? ;D
I've been to Scummit, Roebling... He can come here...
Quote White plates stayed out in the sun too long and periodically hit their heads hard enough to need a drive home; hence, they don't know what they used to. In fact, why else would they keep spending their retirement?
All right! Now I'm offended. I realize that this hasn't been my best year, but is it really necessary to attack me like this in a public forum? ;D
QuoteHowever, as a moderator, I will maintain the spirit of this board. A board where one can come and talk about racing in an environment that is not offensive, crude or violent. It is a judgement call, and it is mine.
Where are the posting guidelines for this board? Most boards have a main section called "posting guidelines" that list what is/is not allowed to be posted. It's then the moderators job to make sure everyone posting follows those guidelines. That way it is clearly spelled out, and if someone posts something not allowed in the guidelines, the moderator can point out what was wrong with the post and refer to the board's guidelines. It also gives the moderator more of a leg to stand on. Without something like this, it's difficult for a moderator to back up a judgement call. In that case, posters will argue "selective censorship" is taking place, since no clear guidelines exist for the board.
Just a suggestion that might help clear things up when these situations arise.
QuoteAll right! Now I'm offended. I realize that this hasn't been my best year, but is it really necessary to attack me like this in a public forum? ;D
Aaawwww.... you poor thing, :'( :'(
If I give you a hug, will that help? :-/ ;) :)
Dawn
QuoteWhy? Is he on a leash? ;D
I've been to Scummit, Roebling... He can come here...
yes, it appears while on this bbs i am on a leash, a very short one. my 3rd post and it gets shitcanned for saying asses. not only is the moderator selective and biassed, she cant read and/or comprehend what she reads.
i find it hard to believe you interpreted my post as being directed to the entire bbs and not the person i clearly quoted.
and i still cant believe you denied me the joy of reading a response to it. i have pm'd and emailed and sent out search parties for these guys with no luck whatsoever.
how are motorcycle racers and enthusiasts supposed to have fun without cussing or exposing twits and liars and the like. i still think this place is some kind of church or cult.
do not cuss, do not defend yourself, do not interupt the regular mass (catholic term), do not upset the priestess for fear of tongue removal.
ive been racing with ccs, turning 17's at roebling, since 1995 and have had a blast doing it with the regular ccs folks, who are you people? what is this place? i dont know any of you (except treybone)!
nice one mat. ;)
treybone and brad, the only guys in here i know.
ill tell you how slick she is, i had shitcanned in my post and she had it changed to nutscanned before i hit the post key.
this is a test:
shit shit shit shit
what in the fuck is nutscanned in exchange for? what a bunch of fucking shit! ;D
oh for fuck's sake this is fun. ;D
i take it you cant say poop with an "s"
shit, i don't know. ;)
this is another test:
nutsack
i think i found a loophole
spoop. well, there you have it matt, you can.
spoopcanned
brad, i think you are correct
spoop. oh please, don't edit that one. ;D
dawn, can we have a ruling on spoop please.
;D that spoop was funny. ;D
holy spoop! i turned 17's at roebling!!!
some spoophead doesnt believe me !
i dont give a spoop
still waiting on that ruling dawn
You two can go back to the WERA board. They appreciate your type of "humor" over there.
By the way, there are automatic BBS edits, ones that were not implemented by me, but by the software engineers.
If you want to show each other who has the bigger set of balls, do it on the track. I really don't want or need to read it here.
Dawn :P
dawn don't know spoop. like WE know spoop.
matt, you are the spoop if you run 17's. i ran 16's on an R1, what's that make me?
still my favorite....Hitchcock ;D ;D ;D ;D
what in the spoop does that stand for? you like my humor, don't ya mighty duc?
a braggart and a liar. holy spoop! i just experienced a revelation typing that!
You have your moments "spoop boy". :P
Hitchcock is a guy's last name...Hitch c o c k...lol. I laugh everytime I see it. ;D
that's some funny nuts.
QuoteYou two can go back to the WERA board. They appreciate your type of "humor" over there.
By the way, there are automatic BBS edits, ones that were not implemented by me, but by the software engineers.
If you want to show each other who has the bigger set of balls, do it on the track. I really don't want or need to read it here.
Dawn :P
ive said sh_t 50 times in the last 24hrs in here but only in the last 30min it gets the auto edit? dawn, you are full of spoop and you know it.
she can say balls, i cant say sh_t?
i think balls are more offensive than sh_t.
brad, i think she told you to show me your balls at the track. isnt that a felony in some states? both to suggest it and the act itself?
QuoteYou have your moments "spoop boy". :P
Hitchcock is a guy's last name...Hitch c o c k...lol. I laugh everytime I see it. ;D
petcock beats hitchcock hands down everytime though
matt, you're such a shit.
next time i see you, i'll show you my balls and my thingy.
sounds like a plan. lets invite dawn. she sounds like she would be an incredible date. shes so open minded and uninhibited.
I have been laughing my a$$ off reading this $hit. There are always other word you can use like.
BUNGHOLE
ROOTROD
BROWNEYE
SCREW (well that one is sort of lame)
GUTTERSLOT
EXCREMENT
A$$HOLE
CUMQUAT
See... ;D There are other word to use ;D
the following is a list of comments heard at your local race track made by motorcycle roadracers:
"my f$$king bike was on rails"!
the same comment made on dawns bbs:
"i had the utmost confidence in my dunlop 208 gp's every session today"
local track:
"i wheelied the sh-t out my r1 all the way down the fu$king backstraight"!
dawns bbs:
"wowee, i accellerated harshly on the west side of the circuit and lofted the front wheel on my db1 a distance of almost 30 meters"
local track:
"i almost a$$packed that fu$king novice, he was fuc$ing parking it in the horshoe so i traded some paint with him and shot him the fu$king bird"
dawns bbs:
"i had quite a scare approaching that amatuer rider due to our difference in skill levels. his cornerspeed in the horshoe section was understandably slower than mine, i instantly remembered my stint in the novice ranks, gave him ample room as i passed safely, and gestured to him with my left hand that he was number one"
this would be when the "silent treatment software" kicks in, previously installed by the "engineers".
;D
oh holy spooooop!!! i was LMFAO on that one. ;D
Matt you crack me up. So I can tell your doing good these days. Maybe i'll run into at a track back hom sometime.
Stacey
Ex-CCS employee
PS Did you get your credential on time this year...... :P
well stacey, what aboot mee? ;)
Brad, Words just can't describe you........... ;D
:-/ er..... thanks, i think. ;D
now i know brad, treybone and stacey. i am well, hope you are. we miss you. i have the same credential you gave me in 2001. its seems to be valid, i use it to get in all the tracks i teach at, all both of them, sometimes at vir if donnie needs help.
stacey......start a ccs bbs, ill join it.
check my very own subject with my name on it, its kinda funny too.
bye ;)
Your the bomb Matt. You are special to have your own subject. I get bashed enough on this one. I keep my mouth shut alot about what goes on on this BBS. It gives me good laughs when I need them. I miss most of you guys also. I've been back to a few races since I was fired last year. Just get back to Summit though when Iget back home to see the family and friends. If you race the WERA National at Summit i'll see you there. Going to score for a team maybe 2 for the Endurance Race.
Keep in touch and keep me laughing. Need it these days.
PS. Brad, I don't think you know me. I know you from the track for sure........... ;)
I think that you should roll up to Blackhawk and have this conversation with Dawn in person. It does seem a bit cowardly to antagonize her electronicaly.
Just come to
http://www.theclubracer.com
its fun!!! another place to hang out
Hey Dive,
I would but I can't get it to register me. But I have AOL also so that might be the problem. We miss you in the chatroom.....lol
hey, whats going on, yeah aol blows, try using internet explorer u should have no trouble doing it that way. :) yeah i am fazing out aol. hehe
lol ..
phew, that's high entertainment.
I'll try to get on at work. Thats what I have to use there. Come join us sometime soon. By the way, is it as censored as this one? This is nothing like being at a racetrack or not as much fun.
I'm one of the moderators there...hehe. By the way, you can use explorer while on AOL...just minimize aol while you are signed on and open explorer and you are good to go.
Quotetreybone and brad, the only guys in here i know...
Ehhmmmm.. And me. I met you at RRR, was pitted next to you on the 'priller with the brake problems.
BTW - Thank for the diagonostics, it helped, but now it seems that the piston has some dirt or shlt in it and it's getting stuck returning. It's happening randomly.. it really sux.
Last wknd @ VIR it wasn't nearly as bad but it cost me a few spots in all my races as it made for an interesting game of catch-up. I was so aggrevated (sp?)
::)
::) ::) ::) :P