Yet another week has gone by and there are still no updates on the "Results" section or the "Points" section either. As far as I can tell the points were last updated on May 15th, 2003 but N. Florida was not even included on the entries. The only points that I have listed are from Febuary in Daytona. ;D Now it has been another week gone by and no updates from Roebling either. I am just posting this with the hopes that some one in the CCS offices will maybe read this and realize how many people rely on this information and want it kept more up to date. Is the problem the web designer? I mean man, give me an SSH connection and I will update it my self for crying out loud. Well either way ... Im not one to whine but come on guys .. It should not take a week to update some simple code.
They are well aware of it and they do look here but it has not helped no matter how many times we fuss...i even compared it to WERA and the reason CCS gave me for WERA being faster was that CCS had more to do....well i sat and counted it all up in another thread i posted and guess what...they are almost exactly the same as far as total races and total race weekends...but of core i didn't get any responce to that...
exactly the same or exactly double ??? CCS 70 WERA 35 ::)
i'm afraid not...i added up every region...weekend by weekend and posted it in this thread:
http://www.racemotorcycles.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?board=ccs1;action=display;num=1055275053;start=9
Southeast class points have still not been updated yet either says 5/15/03 .... a month?...maybe CCS needs to see if one person from each region wants to take it over and fore the time spent give them one free enrty per race day and let them keep up with the class points for that region... i mean a few days is one thing but a month is another... othe org's have points posted by monday or tuesday after the weekend...and i have heard it is because CCS has more regions...well unless i can't count...and i'm not ruling that out there are 11 regions in CCS...and that is including all events even CRMA and F-USA well WERA also has 11 regions...including the endurance....CCS has a total of 113 race weekends for all regions..WERA has total 115 race weekends sooo....i ask...why is it that WERA can get the points and results up in a few days when it takes CCS weeks up to months?.. and i never thought about it like this till now so this is a serious question...
tell me if that is wrong...i don't believe it is...if i can't count ..i know i'm not off by ore than a couple ...which should not make that much difference...i mean they have results AND points posted no later than a week after..most of the time alot faster...and it is only ONE person doing it ...
i mean here count for yourself????
this is WERA:
2003 WERA National Endurance Series
3/29 North Florida Motorsports Park - 6 Hour
4/12 Carolina Motorsports Park - 4 Hour
5/9 Nashville Superspeedway - 4 Hour
5/23 2003 Cycle Jam, Virginia International - 4 Hour
6/21 Talladega Gran Prix Raceway - 4 Hour
7/19 Grattan Raceway - 8 Hour
8/2 Summit Point Raceway - 6 Hour
8/30 Hallett Motor Racing Circuit - 6 Hour
9/13 Barber Motorsports Park - 6 Hour
10/31 Grand National Finals - 4 Hour
2003 WERA National Challenge Series
3/28-30 North Florida Motorsports Park, Jennings, FL
4/11-13 Carolina Motorsports Park, Kershaw, SC
5/9-11 Nashville Superspeedway, Nashville, TN
5/22-25 2002 Cycle Jam, Virginia International, Alton, VA
6/20-22 Talladega Gran Prix Raceway, Talladega, AL
7/18-20 Grattan Raceway, Grattan, MI
8/1-3 Summit Point Raceway, Summit Point, WV
8/29-31 Hallett Motor Racing Circuit, Hallett, OK
9/12-14 Barber Motorsports Park, Leeds, AL
10/29-11/2 Grand National Finals & Suzuki Cup Finals
Road Atlanta, Braselton, GA
2003 National Vintage Series
2/15-16 No Problem Raceway, Belle Rose, LA
2/27-28 North Florida Motorsports Park, Jennings, FL-Vintage Only
In conjunction with AHRMA-D
3/22-23 Roebling Road Raceway, Faulkville, GA
4/5-6 Hallett Motor Racing Circuit, Hallett, OK
4/19-20 Summit Point Raceway, Summit Point, WV
4/19-20 Texas World Speedway, College Station, TX
4/26-27 Talladega Gran Prix Raceway, Talladega, AL
5/17-18 Grattan Raceway, Grattan, MI
5/31-6/1 N. Florida Motorsports Park, Jennings, FL
5/31-6/1 Putnam Park, Mt. Meridian, IN
6/7-8 Summit Point Raceway, Summit Point, WV-D
6/14 FIM Vintage Championships (USCRA), NHIS, Loudon, NH
WERA Vintage Points Awarded
6/28-29 Barber Motorsports Park, Leeds, AL
7/5-6 Road Atlanta, Braselton, GA-D
7/26-27 Carolina Motorsports Park, Kershaw, SC
8/2-3 Roebling Road Raceway, Faulkville, GA
8/9-10 Putnam Park Road Course, Mt. Meridian, IN-D
8/23-24 Talladega Gran Prix Raceway, Talladega, AL-cc, D,
8/23-24 Virginia Int'l Raceway, Alton, VA
8/23-24 Grattan Raceway, Grattan, MI
9/6-7 Carolina Motorsports Park, Kershaw, SC-D
9/20-21 Summit Point (Shenandoah Circuit), Summit Point, WV
9/27-28 Nelson Ledges Road Course, Garrettsville, OH
10/11-12 Nashville Superspeedway, Nashville, TN-D
10/29-11/2 Road Atlanta, Braselton, GA -D
2003 Grand National Finals & Suzuki Cup Finals
10/29-11/2 Road Atlanta, Braselton, GA - A,K,S,
North Central
5/3-4 Putnam Park Road Course, Mt. Meridian, IN-rs,Y,
5/17-18 Grattan Raceway, Grattan, MI-D,P,rs,Y,
5/22-25 WERA Cycle Jam, VIR, Alton, VA -A,D,K,P,S,
5/31-6/1 Putnam Park, Mt. Meridian, IN-P,rs,
6/21-22 Nelson Ledges Road Course, Garrettsville, OH-A,K,rs,S,Y,
6/28-29 Barber Motorsports Park, Leeds, AL-A,K,P,rs,
7/23-24 Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course/AMA Grand Championships
8/9-10 Putnam Park Road Course, Mt. Meridian, IN-A,K,S,
8/23-24 Grattan Raceway, Grattan, MI-A,rs,Y,
9/27-28 Nelson Ledges Road Course, Garrettsville, OH-D,P,
Northeast
3/15-16 Virginia Int'l Raceway, Alton, VA-A,rs,
4/19-20 Summit Point Raceway, Summit Point, WV-rs,
5/22-25 WERA Cycle Jam, VIR, Alton, VA -A,D,K,P,S,
6/7-8 Summit Point Raceway, Summit Point, WV-A,D,K,P,rs,S,
6/21-22 Nelson Ledges Road Course, Garrettsville, OH-A,K,rs,S,Y,
7/23-24 Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course/AMA Grand Championships
8/23-24 Virginia Int'l Raceway, Alton, VA-D,rs,S,Y,
9/20-21 Summit Point (Shenandoah Circuit), Summit Point, WV-A,K,
9/27-28 Nelson Ledges Road Course, Garrettsville, OH-P,
North Florida
3/22-23 Roebling Road Raceway, Faulkville, GA -rs,S,
5/22-25 WERA Cycle Jam, VIR, Alton, VA -A,D,K,P,S,
5/31-6/1 N. Florida Motorsports Park, Jennings, FL-A,D,K,rs,
6/7-8 Roebling Road Raceway, Faulkville, GA -P,
7/5-6 Road Atlanta, Braselton, GA-A,K,P,rs,S,
7/12-13 N. Florida Motorsports Park, Jennings, FL-A,D,Y,
8/2-3 Roebling Road Raceway, Faulkville, GA-A,K,rs,
10/4-5 N. Florida Motorsports Park, Jennings, FL-P,rs,S,
Mid-Atlantic
3/15-16 Virginia Int'l Raceway, Alton, VA-A,rs,
4/19-20 Summit Point Raceway, Summit Point, WV-rs,
5/22-25 WERA Cycle Jam, VIR, Alton, VA -A,D,K,P,S,
6/7-8 Summit Point Raceway, Summit Point, WV-A,D,K,P,rs,S,
7/5-6 Road Atlanta, Braselton, GA-A,K,P,rs,S,
7/26-27 Carolina Motorsports Park, Kershaw, SC-D,K,rs,S,Y,
8/23-24 Virginia Int'l Raceway, Alton, VA-rs,S,Y,
9/20-21 Summit Point (Shenandoah Circuit), Summit Point, WV-A,K,
Mid-Central
2/8-9 Talladega Gran Prix Raceway - Talladega, AL-cc,rs,
4/26-27 Talladega Gran Prix Raceway - Talladega, AL-c,D,K,S,Y,
5/9-11 Nashville Superspeedway, Nashville, TN-N,K,P,S,
5/22-25 WERA Cycle Jam, VIR, Alton, VA -A,D,K,P,S,
5/31-6/1 Putnam Park, Mt. Meridian, IN-P,rs,
6/28-29 Barber Motorsports Park, Leeds, AL-A,K,P,rs,
7/5-6 Road Atlanta, Braselton, GA-A,K,P,rs,S,
8/9-10 Putnam Park Road Course, Mt. Meridian, IN-A,K,S,
8/23-24 Talladega Gran Prix Raceway - Talladega, AL-A,cc,P,rs,
8/29-31 Hallett Motor Racing Circuit, Hallett, OK-N,
10/11-12 Nashville Superspeedway, Nashville, TN-D,K,Y,
Southeast
2/8-9 Talladega Gran Prix Raceway - Talladega, AL-cc,rs,
3/22-23 Roebling Road Raceway, Faulkville, GA -rs,S,
4/26-27 Talladega Gran Prix Raceway - Talladega, AL-c,D,K,S,Y,
5/9-11 Nashville Superspeedway, Nashville, TN-N,K,P,S,
5/22-25 WERA Cycle Jam, VIR, Alton, VA -A,D,K,P,S,
6/7-8 Roebling Road Raceway, Faulkville, GA -P,
6/28-29 Barber Motorsports Park, Leeds, AL-A,K,P,rs,
7/5-6 Road Atlanta, Braselton, GA-A,K,P,rs,S,
7/26-27 Carolina Motorsports Park, Kershaw, SC-D,K,rs,S,Y,
8/2-3 Roebling Road Raceway, Faulkville, GA-A,K,rs,
8/23-24 Talladega Gran Prix Raceway - Talladega, AL-A,cc,P,rs,
9/6-7 Carolina Motorsports Park, Kershaw, SC-rs,
10/4-5 N. Florida Motorsports Park, Jennings, FL-P,rs,S,
10/11-12 Nashville Superspeedway, Nashville, TN-K,Y,
South Central -
2/15-16 No Problem Raceway, Belle Rose, LA-rs,
4/5-6 Hallett Motor Racing Circuit, Hallett, OK-rs,
4/19-20 Texas World Speedway, College Station, TX-A,D,rs,S,
5/22-25 WERA Cycle Jam, VIR, Alton, VA -A,D,K,S,
6/28-29 Barber Motorsports Park, Leeds, AL-A,K,P,rs,
8/29-31 Hallett Motor Racing Circuit, Hallett, OK-A,K,
This is CCS...you count and tell me??
Central
February 22-23 Oak Hill Raceway
March 15-16 Texas World Speedway
May 3-4 Motorsports Ranch
May 24-25 Hallett Racing Circuit
June 14-15 Texas World Speedway
July 19-20 Hallet Racing Circuit
September 6-7 Texas World Speedway
September 27-28 Oak Hill Raceway
October 11-12 Motorsports Ranch
Florida Roadracing
Championship Sanctioned by CCS
February 8-9 Homestead *
Feb 27-March 2 Daytona Intl Speedway
March 15-16 Moroso Motorsports Park
April 5-6 N. FL Motorsports Park
May 3-4 N. FL Motorsports Park
May 25-26 Moroso Motorsports Park
July 19-20 Moroso Motorsports Park
August 23-24 Moroso Motorsports Park
September 6-7 N. FL Motorsports Park
September 20-21 Moroso Motorsports Park
December 6-7 Homestead *
Loudon Road Race Series
Championship Sanctioned by CCS
April 26-27 New Hampshire Intl.
May 17-18 New Hampshire Intl.
June 7-8 New Hampshire Intl.
July 5-6 New Hampshire Intl.
July 26-27 New Hampshire Intl.
August 16-17 New Hampshire Intl.
August 30-31 New Hampshire Intl.
September 27-28 New Hampshire Intl.
Great Lakes Roadracing Championship
April 5-6 Blackhawk Farms *
April 25-27 Road America**@
May 17-18 Gingerman Raceway
May 31-June 1 Blackhawk Farms
June 14-15 Gateway Intl Raceway
July 4-6 Mid-America Motorplex**@
August 8-10 Heartland Park*
August 23-24 Blackhawk Farms
September 13-14 Gateway Intl Raceway**
September 27-28 Gingerman Raceway*
Great Plains Roadracing Championship
April 5-6 Blackhawk Farms *
April 25-27 Road America**@
May 17-18 Gingerman Raceway
May 24-26 Mid-America Motorplex*
June 14-15 Gateway Intl Raceway
July 4-6 Mid-America Motorplex**@
August 8-10 Heartland Park
August 16-17 Barber Motorsports**
September 13-14 Gateway Intl Raceway**
October 4-5 Gateway Intl Raceway *
Mid-Atlantic Roadracing Championship
Feb 27-March 2 Daytona Intl Speedway
March 29-30 Roebling Road**
April 12-13 Virginia Intl
May 3-4 Summit Point @
May 25-26 Summit Point @
June 27-29 Virginia Intl*
July 12-13 Summit Point @
July 26-27 Roebling Road Raceway**
August 16-17 Barber Motorsports**
September 5-7 Summit Point *@
September 27-28 Virginia Intl
October 11-12 Summit Point Raceway *@
Southeast Roadracing Championship
Feb 27-March 2 Daytona Intl Speedway
March 29-30 Roebling Road**
April 12-13 Virginia Intl
May 3-4 N. FL Motorsports Park
June 14-15 Roebling Road Raceway**
June 27-29 Virginia Intl*
July 26-27 Roebling Road Raceway**
August 16-17 Barber Motorsports**
September 6-7 N. FL Motorsports Park
September 27-28 Virginia Intl*
Pacific Roadracing Championship
February 1-2 Streets of Willow *
March 15-16 Firebird East
May 10-11 LasVegas Classic Course @
May 31-June 1 Streets of Willow
July 5-6 Buttonwillow
August 16-17 Thunderhill Park
August 1-3 LasVegas Classic Course**@
October 4-5 Thunderhill Park
November 1-2 Buttonwillow
Nov 29-30 Streets of Willow*
Southwest Roadracing Championship
February 1-2 Streets of Willow *
March 15-16 Firebird East
April 12-13 Firebird East
May 10-11 Las Vegas Classic Course
May 31-June 1 Streets of Willow
July 5-6 Buttonwillow
August 1-3 Las Vegas Classic Course**
September 27-28 Firebird Intl
November 1-2 Buttonwillow
November 15-16 Firebird East *
Mid-West Roadracing Championship
April 5-6 Blackhawk Farms *
April 25-27 Road America**@
May 10-11 Blackhawk Farms
May 23-25 Mid-America Motorplex*
May 31-June 1 Blackhawk Farms
June 14-15 Gateway Intl Raceway
July 4-6 Mid-America Motorplex**@
July 19-20 Blackhawk Farms
August 8-10 Heartland Park*
August 23-24 Blackhawk Farms
September 6-7 Blackhawk Farms
September 27-28 Gingerman Raceway
October 4-5 Gateway Intl Raceway*
2003 Race of Champions XX
October 16-19, 2003
Daytona International Speedway
Formula USA / CCS National Championships
National Championship Series &
National Team Challenge Events
Feb 27-March 2 Daytona Intl
May 23-25 Mid-America Motorplex
June 13-15 New Hampshire Intl
June 27-29 Virginia Intl
August 8-10 Heartland Park
September 5-7 Summit Point
October 16-19 Daytona Intl
I mean i'm not trying to be mean..i'm just saying what everyone else is also saying..if it is broke fix it...and it is very obvious it is broke...and it seems nothing is being done about it....
Hey, thanks guy! Now I can print this thread and see where I can go racing! ;D ;D ;D
count individual race events not region events and you will see the number of races. AKA don't count a cross over twice (or three or even eleven times ::) )
Eric,
Been meaning to ask, what's your position with CCS? I know Tiffiney is your wife, but you often come to the defense of CCS. Why?
Something is broken. What does it take to fix? It is certainly not excuses.
Please answer why results are snail mailed to Chicago. Why aren't they directly updated to the web from whomever initially gathers them? This should be a very simple change that would increase the posting pace several folds in time and attention.
I say again, what can the membership do to assist CCS in enhancing the system. Waiting for CCE to make a change is liking punching yourself in the face, eventually you knock yourself out and end up with nothing but a headache.
Spell out the process and let's get busy making suggestions on how to improve the system. Maybe we, the membership should buy CCS from CCE, or at least the web reporting rights.
maybe there is nothing we can do to fix the problem. Last year I proposed to build a db-driven website to post results and points, and it went as far as I built a proto-type, gave them a general agreement, and only to be told later that the legal department "does not think this is the right time to do this".
I did not want money, I just want to build a site, improve the CCS web presence, attract the racers, and then generate revenue and recoup resources by advertising or other services to members.
All I wanted from CCS was a electric OR paper copy of the results, and I would have it entered into database and keep track of points and have it available for all. I also would have it that results gets posted 24 hours after I receive them.
My business does web apps. They asked for references, I spent time building a proto-site. It would nice to have had a conversation about their concerns and worked it out, or just a real reason before dumping everything down the drain. That does not encourage anyone else to want to conduct business with CCS/CCE. Apparently they are dealing with customers the same way, could have guessed.
Am I the only one that countecd up the events and the way I see, if you count all the cross over events that both orgainizations have, I come up with WERA having more events with less staff in the office. I believe the staff at WERA works 5-6 hour days with 4 people. CCS works 7-8 hour days with 4 - 5 people.
If this is incorrect, please let me know.
Dafan,
In the words of Nike... why not 'just do it' ?
If you and/or others are willing to make the site, just put it up. No need for CCS's approval. All ya gotta do is get someone from each region to take a digital camera and take snapshots of the results from the races and send them to you. Then you can enter them into your DB, and you got it.
I'm sure you could probably commandeer at least 1 person from each event to take photos of the results... especially if it meant next/2-day turnaround for posting of results.
Then your (or whoever's) site could turn into the 'official unofficial' results page, just as Shawn's board here has turned into the 'official unofficial' CCS forum.
Thoughts?
gay medic, you are a cool guy. but dang, your posts take too long to read. i believe you simply because of your conviction. ;D
QuoteDafan,
In the words of Nike... why not 'just do it' ?
If you and/or others are willing to make the site, just put it up. No need for CCS's approval. All ya gotta do is get someone from each region to take a digital camera and take snapshots of the results from the races and send them to you. Then you can enter them into your DB, and you got it.
I'm sure you could probably commandeer at least 1 person from each event to take photos of the results... especially if it meant next/2-day turnaround for posting of results.
Then your (or whoever's) site could turn into the 'official unofficial' results page, just as Shawn's board here has turned into the 'official unofficial' CCS forum.
Thoughts?
I didn't do it without CCS because I was going to be able to get results unless I show up at a weekend. And some races were not final when I leave.
Another issue was scanned/digital photos may not OCR quite nicely, and hand/physical inspections will be required. At the time I was offering it for free, and I didn't know I could do it within the timeline or not.
Also if CCS does not post the final results (lets say a protest was initiated and results final after everyone leaves) that would cause the points total to be inaccurate, and either we have to audit it against an official copy, or it would be pretty much useless.
If CCS is kind enough to provide me with a spreadsheet from their computer the monday after each event, I can run a "unofficial site".
I will ask Tiffiney about it, if it is doable, I will have a site up for all our racers for the 2004 season.
The main reason I wanted to do a db-driven site is: your results would be linked to your identity. So each person can query the results/records of anyone without doing much research (ie. going back and forth between html docs like CCS does it now).
There will also be space for each person to post his/her info, pics, reports and such related to each event they enter.
I am still willing to put up the effort, space, resources and work to do this. So if you guys think it would be a good thing, I will try it again with CCS and have it for the 04 season.
Quotegay medic, you are a cool guy. but dang, your posts take too long to read. i believe you simply because of your conviction. ;D
LOL...thanks ;D but really what slclark65 said is 100% correct...see i can count....so CCS what is the problem?..you have been given many suggestions and ideas to fix the problem....why can't it get done?.. i mean i'm not knocking any one single person...but somone is making the choice not to fix it...i mean hell if you are not sure how to get it done call Sean over at WERA...he seems to have his shit together in getting things posted...do something!!!!!!
Thanks GAMEDIC. I'm glad I am not the only one that can count. I just hate to sit back and watch you guys get shafted with the lies about this matter. It just seems like it is getting worse and worse and I hate to see it happen to you guys.
The comparison between WERA and CCS website was covered before. WERA runs their own website, CCS does not, the site that has CCS info on it, is run by CCE. CCS sends info to CCE, it gets posted when CCE decides to post it.
Dafan, I did part of what you are describing last year for the GL, GP, and MW regions--a database driven points and stat pages organized by rider. But as you know, the data is only as timely or accurate as what you receive from CCS. I too offered do it for all regions this year. The offer fell on deaf ears. I've learned my lesson, I no longer offer. My time is valuable, I hate seeing the riders cheated but now I go where I get some respect.
Just thought I'd help with the math.
2/8-9 TGPR
2/15-16 NPR
2/22-23 NFMP 2-27-28 (Vintage)
3/15-16 VIR
3/22-23 Roebling Rd
3/29-30 NFMP NCS
4/12-13 CMP NCS
4/19-20 TWS /
4/19-20 Summit
4/26-27 TGPR
5/3-4 Putman
5/10-11 NNS NCS
5/17-18 Grattan
5/24-25 VIR NCS
5/31-6/1 NFMP
5/31-6/1 Putnam
6/7-8 Roebling
6/7-8 Summit Pt
6/21-22 Nelson
6/21-22 TGPR NCS
6/28-29 Barber
7/5-6 Rd Atlanta
7/12-13 Nelson
7/12-13 NFMP
7/19-20 Grattan NCS
8/2-3 Summit NCS
8/2-3 Roebling
8/9-10 Putnam
8/23-24 VIR
8/23-24 Grattan
8/23-24 TGPR
8/30-31 Hallet NCS
9/6-7 CMP
9/13-14 Barber NCS
9/20-21 Summit-SC
10/4-5 NFMP
10/11-12 NNS
10/25-26 GNF NCS
38 total WERA events
1 2/1-2 Streets
2 2/8-9 Homestead*
3 2/8-9 Oak Hill(RRS)
4 2/22-23 Oak Hill
5 2/28-3-2 Daytona
6 3/15-16 Firebird East
7 3/15-16 Moroso
8 3/15-16 TWS
9 3/29-30 Roebling Road*
10 4/5-6 Thunderhill
11 4/5-6 B H F*
12 4/5-6 NFMP
13 4/12-13 Firebird East
14 4/12-13 VIR
15 4/25-27 Road Am 4/25-27
16 4/26-27 NHIS
17 5/2-4 Summit
18 5/3-4 NFMP
19 5/3-4 Mtrsprt Rnch
20 5/10-11 BHF
21 5/10-11 LVCRC
22 5/17-18 Gngrmn
23 5/17-18 NHIS
24 5/24-25 Hallet
25 5/23-25 Mid-AM
26 5/25-26 Moroso
27 5/31-6/1 Streets
28 5/31-6/1 B H F
29 5/30-6/1 Shenandoah Cir.
30 6/7-8 NHIS
31 6/13-15 Gateway
32 6/14-16 Roebling Road
33 6/14-17 TWS
34 6/14-18 NHIS (E)
35 6/21-22 Homestead
36 6/27-29 VIR*
37 6/28-29 Oak Hill
38 7/5-6 ButtonWillow
39 7/4-6 Mid-AM
40 7/5-6 NHIS
41 7/11-13 Summit
42 7/19-20 B H F
43 7/19-20 Moroso
44 7/19-20 Hallett
46 7/26-27 NHIS
47 7/26-27 Roebling Road
47 8/1-3 Las Vegas
49 8/8-10 Heartland Park*
50 8/16-17 Thunderhill
51 8/16-17 NHIS
52 8/16-17 Barber Motorsport
53 8/23-24 B H F
54 8/23-24 Moroso
55 8/30-31 NHIS
56 9/5-7 Summit*
57 9/6-7 B H F
58 9/6-7 NFMP
59 9/6-7 TWS
60 9/12-14 Gateway
61 9/20-21 Moroso
62 9/27-28 NHIS
63 9/27-28 Oak Hill
64 9/27-28 VIR
65 9/27-28 Gngrmn
66 9/27-28 Firebird
67 10/4-5 Thunderhill
68 10/3-5 Gateway
69 10/10-12 Summit
70 10/11-12 Mtrsprt Rnch
71 10/15-19 Daytona
72 11/1-2 ButtonWillow
73 11/15-16 Firebird East
74 11/29-30 Streets
75 12/6-7 Homestead*
75 total CCS events
Kevin,
Have things changed since I left. Are you guys doing the points for the CMRA and Loudon these days? If so, then I guess I was mistaken.
Yes Stacey, things have changed.
All I was doing was helping with the total number of events in a format you could read and count, instead of the broken up regional schedules they were using to count events where some events on both schedules are listed 3-4 times.
As far as numbers go, in events run by Fort Worth we have processed 12037 entries in 19 events while WERA has 6733 entries in 17 events. Add in our sanctioned partners and the entry total for the 28 events exceeds 16000.
As I have stated in the past, if you need results and they are not posted yet, just e-mail me and we will send you your own copy of the html to you as soon as they are processed.
Been in the racing thing for 8 years now. Started with a WERA afiliate (CMRA)then was independent then was elected to BOD and became affliated with CCS. I have seen things from many different views, racer, local official to national official. I now am in charge of and transport of the equipment for FUSA events.
I have seen from when there was little to no contingency, with no purses, no website, to things blossoming to where it is now. A little patience is worth a lot and sometimes one little thing (okay to some people a website with results/points may seem like a big thing but in all reality it is minor issue from my stand point ; I guess that leads to what I think is a major point, safety, fair and equitable enforcement of rules, equitable use of time for the money spent) is not worth getting worked up about. Having a history to point to on what one accomplished is nice but only a perk IMHO I prefer that when time is critical that it be spent on getting the ambulances and officials sorted for the next event even if that event is not one where I may be racing. I prefer the contingency to grow and like to see time spent on that, I have seen the results at the track so a website confirmation of them is not that big of deal to me, and if I was not at the race well then I guess I just need to wait as it was not important enough for me to get there to race then the results are even less important to me.
Kevin dealt with number of races already so I guess my listing is not needed sorry about duplication and it is easier to comprehend his so I deleted what I had done
As for the number of people in CCS there are many people that help out from answering the phone to running CC at CCS HQ, but in just over the last year Stacy Clark, Bill Syan and Nancy Selleck all have left full time postions with roadrace not to be replaced (yet?)there are only two full time CCS employess Kevin and Tiffiney that are responsible for questions and making sure races happen. so a guess of 4-5 had been correct ir no longer is. But then if you figure the part time CCS workers then there is literally hundreds from Corner workers to Race Directors but then WERA would also have a large part time force.
Tired of the bashing and incessant whining directed at my friend Kevin and more importantly my wife. It is difficult and as you guys keep reminding them a really thankless job.
As for CCS being sold for 2M where in the world do you figure that? IF it sold for 2M to Pace almost 4 years ago CCS has expierenced huge growth in races, regions, riders, contingency you think it will sell for the same price? get a grip
I'm sorry, but I can't quite grasp the argument that CCS (or CCE) is using for explaining their inablility to post results in a timely manner. Maybe someone can help me out with this. It seems that CCS is telling us that since they have so many more entries/races than WERA, they are unable to process the results as quickly as WERA. This argument just does not seem to hold up. Essentially, we are being told that a company (CCE) with substantially greater resources, personnel, and many, many more paying customers is unable to meet their customer's needs as well as the smaller, "inferior" competition (WERA). Yet we are told that it makes perfect sense that a smaller company like WERA can provide so much more because they have fewer races/entries. So we are being told we should expect less from more, and more from less? Is this normal? Using this same logic, should I expect my car dealer's service center to struggle with something as simple as an oil change, but go to my local Jiffy Lube for my most critical auto repairs. Should I expect inferior service from Dell, while expecting superior service from my local computer/tv repair shop? Should I expect Home Depot to always be out of stock on the most common items, and have go to the local mom & pop h'ware store to get what I want?
I guess what I'm asking is are we wrong to expect superior service from a company with the resources of CCE? I know that when I want quality products and customer service, I am more than willing to pay for it. That's why I go to my dealer for car service, and Dell for computer service, and Home Depot when I absolutely need that one specific item. I know that I will pay a little more, but I will also get the serice that I expect. Unfortunately, right now we are certainly paying extra for service, but definitely not receiving it. This is unacceptable.
My complaint on this issue, and I'm assuming it's shared by most of the CCS racers, isn't directed towards the CCS staff. I'm sure they are under-staffed, but with a parent company like CCE, there is simply no excuse for this type of situation. I think most everyone is wondering why a company with the backing of a monster like CCE, cannot perform as well as as a company that has a mere fraction of their resources. What makes the situation worse is that we as consumers are paying extra for customer service, yet not receiving what we pay for, while the little guy (WERA) is providing us with much, much more for less.
If my take on this isn't correct, someone please tell me what I'm missing. It just seems to me that we are being screwed as consumers, and being told that we are wrong for expecting quality customer service??
Mark,
I would like to see timely results and points posted as much as anybody. But, where you are going wrong in your statements is leaping from "CCS is owned by CCE (a huge company)" to "CCS has the resources of a huge company".
Being a shareholder in a company (even if you own 100% of the shares), does not mean your resources are at the disposal of the company. In other words, CCE may own it, but that doesn't mean they do anything to help run it. They might (rightly) have the attitude that CCS can stand or fold using its own resources. It's a business and so it should be able to exist and turn a profit without using CCE resources.
So, what we have is CCS, a company with 2 full-time employees, functioning as the sanctioning body for a butt-load of races. I haven't audited the CCS business practices, but just making an educated guess, I'd say Kevin and Tiffiney are doing a pretty darn good job to get as much done as they do.
It seems pretty clear that they need to hire some people to replace some of the ones that have left. But I can say from experience that it can be very difficult and time-consuming to find the "right" people to hire. And finding that time, when you have a bunch of your "customers" constantly griping at you to do other stuff that you already are having a hard time fitting into a 24 hour day can be really difficult.
As I have said, I personally wish the results and points got updated and posted on Sunday night after the racing is done. But I understand that you can't get blood from a turnip, and Kevin and Tiffiney are already going WFO, so whinging about it won't get it done any better or faster. And every minute they spend responding to whinging about it is another minute later that the results and points get posted.
- Stu
QuoteAs I have said, I personally wish the results and points got updated and posted on Sunday night after the racing is done. But I understand that you can't get blood from a turnip, and Kevin and Tiffiney are already going WFO, so whinging about it won't get it done any better or faster. And every minute they spend responding to whinging about it is another minute later that the results and points get posted.
- Stu
Stu:
Thank you for your words of wisdom.
Damn, this issue just won't die. I remember before the information age, when the points information was recorded on paper in a book and you would have to have them mailed to you (stock car racing when I was a kid). Now it's just. Whaaa Whaaa Whaa, I want my points, I want the results. Whaaa Whaaa Whaaa.
Sorry, I just needed to get that out of my system.
Dawn :(
Stu,
You make an excellent point, and I agree with what you're saying. Especially regarding your point about being severely under-staffed and the difficulty to find qualified people to fill their needs. I'm certainly not whining about what Kevin and Tiffeney are doing with CCS, considering the difficult circumstances. I also agree that CCE has ever right to have a hands off approach to the management of CCS, and CCS can sink or swim on it's own merits. However, in the case of posting results, I think the point has been made that they are indeed processed by CCS in a timely manner, especially considering the shortage in personnel. However, as I understand it (please correct me if I'm wrong), CCE is responsible for the website and updating the information when it is received from CCS. yet they seem unable or unwilling to follow through on it. It seems like the problem is out of CCS's hands, and the blame rests solely on the parent company, who in this case is responsible for managing the site. If that is the case, then the parent company is at the very least, not making life easy for CCS, and at the worst, hurting CCS and causing a bit of outrage among CCS customers.
Oh, and by the way, Dawn I agree with you too. It really doesn't make much difference to me one way or the other whether the points are posted or not (especially considering how my season has gone down the toilet) :-) However, if they are going to post the results, keep them current, otherwise, don't bother.
QuoteStu:
Thank you for your words of wisdom.
Damn, this issue just won't die. I remember before the information age, when the points information was recorded on paper in a book and you would have to have them mailed to you (stock car racing when I was a kid). Now it's just. Whaaa Whaaa Whaa, I want my points, I want the results. Whaaa Whaaa Whaaa.
Sorry, I just needed to get that out of my system.
Dawn :(
LOL - thanks for posting that... It's a feeling I know all too well ::)
Comparing last year versus this year, the posting seems to be a lot better. However, I don't understand why they don't just have one of the people that have time and time again offered to post the points and results for free sign some kind of privacy statement regarding the identites and info of the racers and post the points and results on an "unofficial" site. Seems like that would make life a lot easier for Tiffiney and Eric. Opinions?
Well well....i will say i would not complain one bit if you took the whole dame points and results site down...i mean what good is it doing anyway...but if you are going to have it up...fix it and keep it right... i made a call today to Mike Kidd (sp) at CCE and we talked for a while about this...turns out..They had no idea that the membership was so upset about this..and also didn't know there was a problem at all...so what this tells me is that CCS is understaffed and can't get it done and they already know this...but WHY are they not asking for help at all....well i can assure you that CCE now knows what is going on and how upset the racers are about this
QuoteWell well....
i made a call today to Mike Kidd (sp) at CCE
turns out..They had no idea that the membership was so upset about this..and also didn't know there was a problem at all...
Thank YOU!
Ya got a numder for CCE for us ?
Yes i have the #...but i will say Mike sent me a personal email today i will post what he said...it may be better if he doesn't get hounded with calls as it really seems that he is getting it taken care of.. this is the email:
Just a note to let you know I am working to resolve the issue regarding delays in getting points and results posted following our events. I can guarantee you the problem will be resolved.
Mike Kidd
Clear Channel Motor Sports
2501 Parkview Drive Suite 105
Fort Worth, Texas 76102