Not sure if anyone has posted this yet. I haven't seen it come across.
Nothing worse than stealing from your own family...pathetic...
http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/2251665/detail.html
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
If anyone has had a bike stolen from the Mid Atlantic area I would suggest that you contact the Howard County Police. I am sure they would love to take your information and maybe locate your bike..or parts of it...
Let's make sure he is guilty first.
If he is,
then hang him high by the thingy!
Screw that prick >:(
According to the article when the police went to his house with an arrest warrant he was putting a stolen bike in the back of his truck...
:o :o
Yeah but are they a repair shop? could it have been a customer's bike? Why it would be at his house I don't know but I will give the benfit of the doubt until I hear he was caught stealing one, convicted or admits to it.
QuoteYeah but are they a repair shop? could it have been a customer's bike? Why it would be at his house I don't know but I will give the benfit of the doubt until I hear he was caught stealing one, convicted or admits to it.
I was giving the benefit of the doubt until I read about the "tampered VIN" lying around. I admit what it "sounds" like what he is doing is a REAL good business, except the fact that it is Illegal :-/
Just a for instance I have I guess what would be called a tampered VIN the steering stem broke off and we welded it back on partially destroying the last half of the VIN number. I wonder how the VIN numbers were tampered with on those bikes ground off, welding slag, crash damage?
By no means should anyone think I am defending a thief as I have had two bikes stolen but I have also seen the overzealous police come out and raid a race; they thought GP bikes didn't have legit numbers or replacement frames with no VIN numbers threw them for a loop and also seen bikes in shops for repair that were stolen (should a bike shop have to run a VIN check before they accept a bike for repair?)
QuoteJust a for instance I have I guess what would be called a tampered VIN the steering stem broke off and we welded it back on partially destroying the last half of the VIN number. I wonder how the VIN numbers were tampered with on those bikes ground off, welding slag, crash damage?
By no means should anyone think I am defending a thief as I have had two bikes stolen but I have also seen the overzealous police come out and raid a race; they thought GP bikes didn't have legit numbers or replacement frames with no VIN numbers threw them for a loop and also seen bikes in shops for repair that were stolen (should a bike shop have to run a VIN check before they accept a bike for repair?)
although the report did say the VIN's came back stolen. I know exactly any race shop can look like chop shop and can't really account for the origins of each part. Maybe his customer dropped off stolen bike to have worked on. Hopefully that is the case, but either way, that proves some race with stolen bike/frame/parts. I might buy a stolen part without knowing it, but a frame is something you should look into before buying.
Funny I was in my shop switching frame and motor for Daytona last year, and was working at 3am and a police car came do a area check and thought someone broke into my business. He made me produce the titles to the bike, and seemed real skeptical about all the parts I have lying around (2 bikes total apart)... I guess I could have gone for "auto theft" if I didnt have papers
And here I thought we had all the bike thieves down here in Florida! Then again maybe we do! He used to live in Melbourne! I'm sorry but guilty as charged!
HD
You don't have to look up every VIN that comes in the door. But when you order parts by going what model info the VIN number is, you will know. That happened at our local shop here. I guy brought in a Ninja 900 for service, and when the VIN number was punched in for the year model (to order parts)it came up as an EX500 :(
You can also bet any good mechanic that is familiar with a particular manufacturer can tell just by looking at a vin. #
HD
so if I buy a new R6 frame and stamp a GS500 # on it you think cops will know the difference ;D
i wonder what the dudes ebay account was hahaha ;D
you dont have mutliple stolen bikes/frames in your shop and be loading a stolen one up in your truck and not know they are stolen. It is a big business and fast and easy cash. Hate this crap..all he did if he is guilty is screw some poor person out of their bike. If he is found guilty then I think AMA, CCS and WERA or any race body he is affiliated with ought to yank his comp license for good. :(
Here's one way to deal with theives:
http://www.fahncahn.com/test/bikethieves/bikethieves.htm
I'll say it again nicely.... Screw that prick >:(
Where did it say he was a racer? I checked Summit results and didn't see a Fitspatrik.
If he's guilty and he races, he should definitely have those privledges revoked...then drag him around the track a couple times with him tied to the back of one of "his" bikes....
>:(
he is a AMA superbike racer, finished 11th I think in last years daytona and regularly compete in AMA races
As I find out more info I'll post it....
BTW....I hate the Devils...
QuoteBTW....I hate the Devils...
FLYERS... DUCKS... even though I live in north jersey ;D
and no NETS either
kinda off subject Dafan...
but how are you feeling this week??
Like clutch said, if he's found guilty, No racing org should allow him any license. He'll be out on probation since he didn't physicaly hurt anybody, but I don't want him ruining my weekend piting near me. I need to trust the people I race with.
QuoteLike clutch said, if he's found guilty, No racing org should allow him any license. He'll be out on probation since he didn't physicaly hurt anybody, but I don't want him ruining my weekend piting near me. I need to trust the people I race with.
I'm with you I've got enough to worry about besides something stupid like that.my brothers mc was stolen after a fusa race last year at summit I wonder if he raced there.
Hey Fellas,
If any of you had any work done by him that involved the replacement of parts...ie my motor, I'd call the police and see if they were stolen. I did, and now I get to drop my motor and deliver it to the Howard County police station because it was from a stolen bike. And do you think I'll get my money back?..nope.. looks like my season has come to an abrupt end. So be weary of where your parts come from... here I am buying a ,what I thought was a used motor from an established business, and now I get to take it out tonight and drive it up to the Police station tomorrow morning... Hummm... lets see, I'm walking into the Station with Stolen property... what do you think is going to happen?... :(
Ryan
Ryan:
That just sucks!!!! You may want to contact an attorney, but I think your only recourse would be is to file a civil suit against the business to recoup your losses. Hopefully you still have your receipts.
Dawn :(
You might want to see if this guy was at Summit that weekend. He's from MD. Call the cops that arrested him and check the inventory. This guy raced with us several years ago in Fl. and I honestly am very surprised. I'll also tell you that I was contacted by state task force officers in 99. On their list was a CCS licensed rider from the NE. He never raced the Fl. series but had run Daytona. He had a rap sheet that included burglary, grand theft auto x2, Grand theft x2, dealing in stolen property x3, conspiracy and rico. So when I went to Daytona I thought I would look this guy up. I found him and introduced myself. I asked if he would mind if I checked his vin #s. Thats when he got very nervous. When I looked, they seemed altered to me. I then got a very qualified Suzuki mech. to look at it. He confirmed it was altered. I then contacted speedway security, who informed me they could do nothing but would contact the Daytona Beach police. I waited over 2 hours trying to keep an eye on this thief and watch the races. During that time he fled. Missed all his races and never came back. I notified CCS and the NE officials of this rider. Guess what? This guy is still racing in the NE and is CCS licensed. There are a lot of legal questions involved here for sure as to what can be done. Just like life, you never know about those around you. There are those who think I am paranoid about theft. Maybe I am, having been a victim myself. I just try to make our series as secure as possible. Beware!
HD
QuoteRyan:
That just sucks!!!! You may want to contact an attorney, but I think your only recourse would be is to file a civil suit against the business to recoup your losses. Hopefully you still have your receipts.
Dawn :(
Ya... it does suck..
I'm 99% sure I still have my reciepts, but I do have credit card (Big thanks to Mastercard, my sponsor) statements and a cashed check from my credit union. I'm pretty sure they're going to hold me for questioning (which I'm more than happy to do), and I guess there is a chance they could arrest me (I mean, I'm walking into a Police Station with $800 worth of stolen motor) Man, I never new buying something from an established business doesn't protect you from their crimes...
Oh.. and to answer your question, I'll be driving right from the police station to the courthouse to pick up my small clains papers...
Correction! The thief with the NE CCS license is not listed this year. Not yet anyway. He was last year.
HD
Jeez Ryan...
Sorry about the race season...
I am glad I posted it to the board...Maybe all these people he screwed will start coming forward...
Ryan, sorry to hear about your loss, that really really sux. Did you can the Master Card company? If it is not too long ago, they may be able to give you most of the money as a refund, and do a charge back or take legal action themselves. I don't think a small claims court would do much, he is going to go to jail, his possessions are going to be seized (since they are most likely stolen) and he would proabaly just go bankrupt anyway, I don't think you will ever collect from the system.
and I guess so much for the benefit of the doubt, this proves the guy is a thief :-/ and I was just hoping it was just a customer bike which was stolen... oh well, hope he get what he deserves, for screwing the people who he stole bike from, and screwing the people who bought things from him.
Ya Guys, it sucks. I waited one more day just to get as much legal info as possible and it seems the best thing to do is drop it out, take it too them, give them my story (with all my paper work) and if they let me go, who knows maybe they'll send me home with the motor (riiiiiiiiiiiight). If everything goes as planned and they send me on my way without the motor, then I'll talk to a lawyer because I've been told by several people (including a lawyer) that as long as I bought it from an actuall business and paid fair market value for it, I don't have to give it back (which I found hard to believe). But since this is now a HUGE federal case, I'm not going to go flexing my miniscule legal muscle (well, not until they tell me I'm free to go anyway ;) )
And yes Dafan, If they keep my motor, I'll be right on the phone with Mastercard and hopefully I can recoup some of the money.
Well tomorrows the big day, wish me luck because I look horrible in orange ;)
Ryan
Oh ya, does anyone have a NOT STOLEN 2000 ZX6R motor they want to sell???
I know most states have laws regarding stolen properties that says if the policy can locate the previous owner you must return the property, even if you bought it fair and square from a business. You won't be in legal trouble if they can't prove that you knew the motor was stolen, but they will take it, unless the #'s on the engine is not recognizable, which probably isn't if he is smart at all ::) So if you can prove to the police that your motor wasn't stolen, or they can't trace the owner, then you might be able to keep it.
Clemmr, If it were me, I'd drop it out (to make sure they don't sieze the whole bike) but I don't think I'd give it to anybody. The cops want your story, the ins co the engine now belongs to wants money. Eventually, in a property room it will end up in a dumpster or maybe at a auction. You didn't do anything wrong don't be too quick to give it up. Tell the cops, if they want it, it's right here, but I sure wouldn't deliver it. They don't need the motor to make their case, just the info. Then ask them who to contact to buy it again. The ins co. will probably give you a deal so they don't have to screw with picking it up. Who knows $20 might get the real paper for it. Everyone involved knows it'll be junk after the trial.
QuoteI know most states have laws regarding stolen properties that says if the policy can locate the previous owner you must return the property, even if you bought it fair and square from a business. You won't be in legal trouble if they can't prove that you knew the motor was stolen, but they will take it, unless the #'s on the engine is not recognizable, which probably isn't if he is smart at all ::) So if you can prove to the police that your motor wasn't stolen, or they can't trace the owner, then you might be able to keep it.
Ya, you'd think, but the number was clear as can be and when I called it in, the dective called back in 30 minutes to tell me it was stolen...
QuoteClemmr, If it were me, I'd drop it out (to make sure they don't sieze the whole bike) but I don't think I'd give it to anybody. The cops want your story, the ins co the engine now belongs to wants money. Eventually, in a property room it will end up in a dumpster or maybe at a auction. You didn't do anything wrong don't be too quick to give it up. Tell the cops, if they want it, it's right here, but I sure wouldn't deliver it. They don't need the motor to make their case, just the info. Then ask them who to contact to buy it again. The ins co. will probably give you a deal so they don't have to screw with picking it up. Who knows $20 might get the real paper for it. Everyone involved knows it'll be junk after the trial.
Ya, I know cops like to suggest things for you to do to get you to give up some or your rights and freedoms, it's not necessarily a bad thing, it's just part of their training to dig up information.. And as I look back on my initial conversation with the detective, I was a little scared and was willing to do whatever to be cleared of this... because or where I work, I've heard how an investigation like this can really tear you up (meaning the one Mike will have brought upon anyone in his computer), especially when it's federal, and was told to just get yourself cleared as fast as possible... But I will probably give the detective one last call this afternoon, before I turn a wrench, and see what exactly my responsibilities are...
clemmr,
Don't call the Po Po, call an attorney! the Po Po don't care about your rights, at least not as their primary responsibility.
And heck, like was suggested, you may be able to work out a deal with the Ins company to keep the motor. Or if it wasn't insured, the prior owner who probably has little use for it now other than selling it.
He's going to tell you you're responsible for everthing and he's saving you. I wouldn't give him a hard time or anything, but he'd have to come and get it. The other night on TV the show that has real trials on it, Crime and Punishment. a guy called the cops to confess to a murder. On the tape he asked to be picked up and the cop asked him if he could get a ride in. I had to laugh out loud. They aren't going to do anything they don't have to. If he really needs it he'll come and get it. (but I'd have it out of the bike and maybe on the front porch) Good luck, you've already been ripped off, don't let the system continue your screwin.
Ryan (Clemmr), this is terrible man. First of all you may be ok since it was with mastercard. They may refund the money. You did the right thing by turning it in. It is better now than later if you were trying to hide it then they could probably get you on poss of stolen property. You may be able to speak with them. I highly doubt you will be charged since you came to them. As for the numbers on the engine, they can be raised and the original numbers can be read..they do it all the time. Scratching them off is just a cosmetic cover up. If the numbers on the block dont match say the numbers on the head and the head numbers are not stolen then maybe you will only have to turn over the block? They may also just want to photograph it for evidence. Try to bring your receipts to them. I will check at work about the stolen property deal since you bought it from a legit business you may be able to keep it. One of the higher ups in my PD is also an attorney. I hate these chop shoppers. We just busted one not long ago for cars, and the sad thing is, they are back in business again I believe, under a different name. Good thing with this is, police can just show up and randomly check VIN #'s ect at shops..no need for any PC. I will look into it for you and let you know. I would like to punch that son of a bitch in the mouth. If AMA does not revoke his license, which they should, then he ought to be boycotted and shunned at the track. I wonder how many other racers and street riders out there are gonna be screwed. If you have it, you better turn it in. I know when I stop bikes I always check the numbers and have found some stolen ones. If this goes Federal then he is screwed. The Feds dont mess around and he will proabably get time in a fed prison in Boise, Idaho. I would also look into a civil suit if for say you cant keep the engine. I am sure the guy owns a house, truck, trailer ect..hit him where it hurts in the wallet..let all the victims take all his shit the legal way. I met him once and thought somthin was shady about this cat..I guess after 6 year as LEO just had that 6th sense...now I know why. As for the mastercard..forgot. I know a TPR that works my area. Well, he bought a high dollar pellet stove for his new house. When he went to pick it up, the business had packed up and left town after taking all these peoples moneys. CC company refunded the money and they went after him. These CC Companies are powerful and have high dollar attorneys at their disposal and can probably put more pressure on him than a normal citizen. Contact the fraud division of the CC company since this is fraud in my opinion.
"son of a pregnant dog"? I just read the post I wrote and noticed that and the word "nuts" replaced somthing else I guess I cant write so I wont or it will be changed to nuts again...LOL ;D
Sean,
I'm going to make one last, but very informed call to the detective and ask if I can just take some pictures, bring my reciepts and statements and come give him my story.. I'm really kicking myself now because basically I called him, told him I had a motor, he told me it was stolen, then I offered to take it out and bring it to him... I mean, what else is he going to say..
And again, this case is going to be huge and I have no doubt there will be jail time..I'm not going to give up too much info, but from what we know here at work, there are really good reasons everyone here wants me to just completely break myself from anything to with what he has gotten himself into...
Man.... I just want to race :(
All that motor is going to end up in is an evidence room for ever then probably melted down. They may want to contact the original owner and see if he wants the motor back..it is probably his choice, unless the insurance company wants it back, but all they will do is sell it anyway. They will probably want to photo it on their own and go over it. You did the right thing man..if you didnt and you got caught with it then you would be up nuts creek.
QuoteAll that motor is going to end up in is an evidence room for ever then probably melted down. They may want to contact the original owner and see if he wants the motor back..it is probably his choice, unless the insurance company wants it back, but all they will do is sell it anyway. They will probably want to photo it on their own and go over it. You did the right thing man..if you didnt and you got caught with it then you would be up nuts creek.
Actually, this does make me think of it another way, if I found some way to delay my turning it over, black and white, I still have a stolen motor in my bike and who's to say I don't get pulled over one day and they decide they want to look in my trailer, and bam, "Mr. Clemm, do you know the motor in your race bike is stolen" "Yes sir, but I can explain, I'm only keeping it until it's needed for evidence in a federal case"... ya... that's going to fly...
you would be arrested. 99.9% sure of that and charged with theft over $500 which is a felony if you are in MD. You would probably get off in court, but, then you will have lawyer fees and time to spend in court which aint worth it. The cops just go by what they are told then they run the numbers..we have no way of actually knowing the real deal when on the street with limited info. Run it in NCIC and what they say goes as soon as it is confirmed stolen. These donkeys who do these chop shops all get caught eventually. Believe it or not there are LOTS of these guys out there..big big business and fast cash. Kinda like drug dealers who think they are in the big time..they all go down sooner or later. One I know of used to brag he was untouchable..we knew what he was doing..he was king pinning..He is now facing 40+ years federally on narcotics trafficing, weapons charges and a ton of other stuff. Yes..federally he will have to serve a minimum of 25 years without the possibility of parole until after that 25 is served. He will be an old man who lived the glamorous life style for several years...it aint worth it..they all get caught. Bring all you paperwork with you to the PD. You may be called to testify against him if a plea isnt reached.
Quote...Bring all you paperwork with you to the PD. You may be called to testify against him if a plea isnt reached.
I have it sitting here right next to me...
Make copies! Hide the originals! They are the only proof you have that you're not involved! Nobody knows what that cop is thinking. Just make sure you CYA.
Still, with no motor in your motorcycle, they'd have to pick it up. It would be lighter by then too ;D
Ebay has recently changed there policies on selling serial numbered frames with titles. I noticed some had pictures of the vin's so you could check out the history before you buy. There are some other new regulations on other stuff. I read that they give all the info on the sellers to FBI so they can alert local athorities as to possible chop shops.
I notice a lot of ads for bikes where they are saying they making a race bike out of it but they are selling swing arms, sub frames wheels etc. Ya right...
anyone have any new updates?
Howard Co. PD says that charges are still pending
The last time I posted on this topic, I said the NE rider I refered to as a bike thief was not licensed in 2003. Well he is now. I just saw his name in the F-USA results at Loudon this past weekend! I guess he likes Thunderbikes now!
HD
Quoteanyone have any new updates?
Howard Co. PD says that charges are still pending
As far as my situation goes, I had spoke with a detective friday, told them I'd be able to bring the motor up Monday morning, went there and no one was around and they wouldn't even let me leave it. So, they must not be too desperate for evidence to send me packing with $800 worth...
Where are your original cases? If they are still around, this may not be as bad as it seems. That set of hot cases is all the cops need or probably even want.(less weight for them to carry around) Are Jap heads numbered? I mean, the only hot part is the cases, right?