I ain't naming names (or CCS #s) ;D but here is an old street-crash vid of one of our local St Louis/Great Plains guys when we used to be street-squids.
In fact everyone in the vid, is now a GP's CCS guy ::) 8)
He's cruising at 100mph+ before the jetwash off the bicycle throws him into a wobble :o
Yeah, it was the bicycle...that's it ;D
No injuries...he got lucky!!!
http://www.outergods.com/HSA_Beanfield.wmv
Ain't been around here due to some serious personal probs.
Just trying to keep my mind off crap so I made and uploaded this clip :P
Miss BS'n and racing w/ ya'll :( especially here on the board.
Omni, hope you are doing well Bro :)
Dano, miss bench-stunting w/ ya Buddy ;D
Rest of ya, maybe I'll see ya at Gateway.
Hope everyone is having a good (and safe) season 8)
See ya guys L8R
For those of you with a slow dial up connection (that's me :() be aware that the file is 9.67 MB. Some connections will time out before it can be loaded.
Dawn
PS Welcome back Eric. ;)
Yep...dial-up at home for me, and not at the job with the high speed anymore. :(
I'd call that *the* reason for a steering damper 8)
I haven't downloaded it yet, but here's a perfect example of a tank slapper (~60mb)
http://www.cbr600f4.com/temp/slappercrash.mpg
if you have problems with it timing out, d/l and use getright or any other download manager that allows you to resume.
On the other hand, I d/l'd file and cannot play, Speedy, what codec is it using?
It wasn't that slow for me and I am home. Oh wait, I also pay a tad bit more. ;)
I like the channel he plowed through the field.
Erik,
How the heck are you??
Are you still alive? How's my helmet ;D ;D
So what's up dude?
Re: Jef4ys video post: I still don't have a lot of sympathy for people doing wheelies on the street like that. "I decided to go past on 2 wheels and be safe." Umm, OK, if you're worried about being safe, how about NOT doing wheelies on the street? I guess I'm not into that mentality of riding.
Do people actually think before doing wheelies? I came to the conclusion that if the rider had went to the left instead of right he would have been ran over by the truck that was being used to video. If he had lost control earlier he could have easily plowed into the bicycist and easily killed him. It's ok to put your life in danger doing something stupid but please don't include any unwilling innocent bystanders.
There was no truck, its a helmet cam, and there was stunting going on for awhile, the cyclist knew this before he proceeded. Actually, as far as stunting areas go, this was a very lightly traveled and "safe" area.
I wasnt going to comment, but I had to say something
Stupid is a word of perspective. For racers to call stunting stupid is --- well stupid.
I am sitting here with injuries from a racing accident. It was not my fault, so I can only say that racing is dangerous. To take part in an activity that I like, or even love, even though it is dangerous, is it stupid?
I used to think the same way, one's activities should not affect others. But it does. It happened to me. Do you suggest we all run time trials intead of racing together so one won't knock another one down?
A bicyclist accepts the risk when he gets on his bike, just as I get on the track. Stunting in public may be violating laws, but what are laws? rules that protect the public. How many rules do you see broken each race? How many stupid things do you see? Do you go and tell each and everyone in the paddock that they are stupid and participating in a stupid accitivies?
If you are not going to call racers stupid, then don't call stunters stupid. They go and do what they love, it is their pursue of THEIR happiness, let them be.
They should try not to run into others, but it happens, just like on the track. Each one of my fellow racers endangers me at any given time, so do I. Do we tell everyone who has ever ran into someone to not race anymore?
I am not a stunter. I love to wheelie and do some other stuff on the street. The worst I have been injured have all been on the track, with proper equitment. I have more control when I wheelie in traffic THAN I have in a race. Trust me, because you can look infront, behind, around and then decide NOT to do it. Try that in a turn on the track.
Someone DO THINK before they wheelie. I am sorry if you are tooooo stupid to realize that.
And as far as I am concern, I am the innocent bystander when I go race in a race. My goal is to ride fast, get upfront, and finish first, non of the others really matter. So why do I get run into, elbowed, stuffed, and ran off line??? How stupid this sport is
whats up bro, long time no see.
OK, could the background music be any more gay? :o
Good thing there wasn't a barbed-wire fence at the road side.
I don't recall calling anyone stupid. I was merely asking if people think and said that he made a stupid (from my perspective) decision. Why not let the bicyclist clear the area before continuing???
QuoteA bicyclist accepts the risk when he gets on his bike, just as I get on the track. Stunting in public may be violating laws, but what are laws? rules that protect the public. How many rules do you see broken each race? How many stupid things do you see?
This has to be one of the dumbest things i've ever read. Are you for real????
Quote...I d/l'd file and cannot play, Speedy, what codec is it using?
Cary, it plays on WMV.
QuoteHow's my helmet ;D ;D
Hey man, I sold that helmet on Ebay. I thought we could split the $$$ ;D
Are you coming to Gateway anytime this season? If yes, bring your streetbike for some vid :D
I'll holler atcha this week.
How is Omni doing???....haven't heard anything lately
QuoteWhy not let the bicyclist clear the area before continuing???
I guess cause the wheelier wanted to give the cyclist a front-row seat to the carnage ;)
QuoteThis has to be one of the dumbest things i've ever read. Are you for real????
Yes, I am for real, and please think it through before calling it dumb. Either you are the only person know to human kind who obeys every law ever signed, or you just conviniently choose which one makes sense to you, or which ones can be broken, and not get caught for.
You also should ask why do people obey rules. If people obey rules because of merit, there wouldn't have to be any penalties associated with anyrules.
On the risk part, (if that is what you were referring to as dumb as I couldn't clearly determine) how many times do you see bicycles riding on roads, is that not a risk they take? they don't know that a 70 year old man might make a turn out of his drive way without looking for bicycles? I fail to see what is so dumb here. Each thing we do in daily life has a LOT of danger associated with it. Yes, idealy, with all the rules and laws, it would be safe, without incident. But we DO know that is not going to happen, and risk has to be assessed and accepted before we do anything.
Did you know bicycles are supposed to stop at redlights and wait for green just as any other vehicles? How many times does a bicycle stop at a light and wait? Is that not extra risk they are taking with disregard for the rules? I think we should call them stupid and ban them from the road? But we don't becuae: 1. there is no apparent danger for breaking that rule, bikes are not going to run into cars if there are no cars 2. there is no enforcement of the law.
So, based on what I just said, someone who choose to ride his/her bike in public in a wild manner must either 1. don't think 2. determine it is safe and 3. no law enforcement. which is the same as bicycles crossing red lights, you walk across an empty street NOT on a crosswalk or against a no-walk line, or you drive 65 in a 55 zone because there is no traffic and the road is straight as an arrow or so many other laws you break constantly, everyday.
See what I am getting at? You accept the risk by participating in any activity. By getting on the road, you accept the chance that a guy might have passed out in a tractor trailer, a woman may be drunk or sleep in a SUV, a plane may land on your head, a 3 feet pot hole may be around the corner unmarked, that old chevy had just leaked 3 quarts of 10W30 around the intersection, OR, someguy on a sportbike may come toward you on 1 wheel and seemed to be out of control. You take the risk, and if you didn't think about the risks, you should 1. stay home, or 2. rethink your risks.
so inconclusion, stunting in public is similar to something, you, or I do every day, such as running across a street, not wearing seatbelts, going to race on worn tires or driving home sleepy eyed towing a 20 feet trailer. We put ourselves, and others in danger because of our own risk asessment, and our own risk tolerances. It ain't good, but it ain't worse than most things in life. Until we can stop all the other bad habbits, it is just AS bad as everything else.
Now if that doesn't answer your 'dumb' question, I may have to add a comment or two regarding my observation of "dumbness"
QuoteI don't recall calling anyone stupid. I was merely asking if people think and said that he made a stupid (from my perspective) decision. Why not let the bicyclist clear the area before continuing???
See we are looking at this wrong. Had there been no incident, then you would not have asked that question (why not let him clear). Just as how AMA deal with track safety, it only is an issue, when it is an issue.
The thing about taking risk is, it usually does not appear to be a risk, until something bad happens. I am sure whoever did the wheelie, either didnt think, or thought it would be perfectly ok. That was his assessment, and it was wrong. And we were not going to question his judgemtn, until it is proven wrong. I really hope that everyone who does a wheelie doesnt wish that it comes down crooked, or flip over, but it happens.
QuoteSee we are looking at this wrong. Had there been no incident, then you would not have asked that question (why not let him clear). Just as how AMA deal with track safety, it only is an issue, when it is an issue.
The thing about taking risk is, it usually does not appear to be a risk, until something bad happens. I am sure whoever did the wheelie, either didnt think, or thought it would be perfectly ok. That was his assessment, and it was wrong. And we were not going to question his judgemtn, until it is proven wrong. I really hope that everyone who does a wheelie doesnt wish that it comes down crooked, or flip over, but it happens.
Bullshit, if I was that bicyclist and you did a wheelie past me I can assure you the cops would hear about it. If the bicycle hadn't been there then I wouldn't have commented about anything except that I was glad the rider had his gear on and came out of it ok. Any time I see people doing stunts in a location that directly puts people that are not participating in the stunts (watching is participating, and don't twist that to mean that since you see it you are watching) in danger because you don't have the courtesy to wait for them to clear the area...
Whatever, you use good judgement all the time and never put anyone else in danger?
I don't know where you are from, but wherever I go to race I see many people get run into, off the track, into a wall, and injured for more than 4 weeks because someone else might not had the courtesy to wait for the other person to clear the area. That would be a normal decision turned bad...
So what if the cop hears about it? its one person's word against another, without any proof, what are they going to do? For your information, I have run off the road before because a bicycle didn't look before crossing the road. I guess I should have stopped and called him stupid.
Apparently you are knee deep in hatred against stunters that you can't not see my point. I give you many points of view and the first thing you have to say is "bullsh!t"?
if you are half way decent, at least have the COURTESY of read what I say and reply with some respect. But that is too much to ask. Articulating discussings are not our strong point I see.
Anyway, if you are naive enough to think courtesy is at work in this word, start reading the rest of the threads on this board, like the CCS is wack thread, or the racer who deals stolen parts thread, or us all getting injured, and many others. Then please post one message each to the threads stating that they should have had the courtesy to do things differently and that is all "bullsh!t", will ya
Thanks so much
My bullnuts statement was in reference to you ASSUMING I wouldn't have cared about it if the crash hadn't happened. I care because I have logged more miles on a bicycle than many people have logged on a motorcycle. Every time I got on my bicycle I knew I had to deal with the fact someone might not see me and turn me into road pizza. What I didn't count on was people intentionally making a situation more dangerous than it has to be which would include someone trying to run up close to me while passing or doing a wheelie next to me (or when my friend had her butt grabbed by a guy riding by on a scooter :)). As far as his word vs. mine, that may be the case, but I'm sure your prime spots for stunting would start getting watched more closely and we all know there aren't that many of them in the first place.
And one last point, can you please explain to me why a race which takes place on a closed circuit can be directly compared to stunt riding which occurs on public streets?
actually I came to realize it is all about perspective, and your opinion must have its merit and it is not really going to be producitve to try to alter that.
as for your question, I wasn't trying to compare the activity, rather, what goes on and the risk involved. On the race track, although it is closed, it is monitored, and it has rules, BUT, the danger and risk level depends on the participants, the racers who may endanger others by making risky decisions. stunting on the street are not the same, but simular, as in risky decisions made by the rider may put him/herself at risk or others. There are rules both on the track and on the street to try to prevent incidents, but they are not always followed. What ultimately happens is that one person out of the group (on the track or the street) make a bad decision and cause an incident. I am not comparing the intention of the two enviornments, rather than what actually goes on. Unless the stunter decide to intentionally injure himself, then it is just one person made a bad judgement and went over his head. I can and I am sure you can relate to that on the track as so many intended passes end up crashes. It may be a bit of a stretch, but it is my bad logic :p
Its ok, I just feel that with racers, stunters gets such a bad rap. I like doing stunt stuff on the street, and I have never dangered anyone even closed to what I have done on the track. I guess that person was stupid, but please don't think that we all do.
Anyways, don't mind me so much, I am just opinionated sometimes.
QuoteMy bullnuts statement was in reference to you ASSUMING I wouldn't have cared about it if the crash hadn't happened. I care because I have logged more miles on a bicycle than many people have logged on a motorcycle. Every time I got on my bicycle I knew I had to deal with the fact someone might not see me and turn me into road pizza. What I didn't count on was people intentionally making a situation more dangerous than it has to be which would include someone trying to run up close to me while passing or doing a wheelie next to me (or when my friend had her butt grabbed by a guy riding by on a scooter :)). As far as his word vs. mine, that may be the case, but I'm sure your prime spots for stunting would start getting watched more closely and we all know there aren't that many of them in the first place.
And one last point, can you please explain to me why a race which takes place on a closed circuit can be directly compared to stunt riding which occurs on public streets?
Please... ::) I supposet that you've NEVER ridden over your head on the street. You've ONLY ridden hard on the track and when you ride on the streets you've ALWAYS ridden the speed limit and you've NEVER tried to go fast in the twisties. Just because you may have not crashed or come close to hitting someone else by doing this doesn't mean that it isn't just as dangerous as that wheelie. How do you know what's around the next corner? You might hit some gravel, oil, or dirt in that next turn, go off the road, and plow over little Timmy playing in his front yard. I wasn't planning on getting any wheel wobble and then a tank slapper, just like you're not planning on hitting any gravel and then an innocent bystander. Think about some of the things you've done in the past before you start casting stones.
I'd like to think that I'm a pretty conservative rider and a laid back guy, but the majority of the posts in this thread have really struck a nerve in me. Spare me the "moral high road" bullshit. I was trying to learn to do some wheelies on a road that is usually fairly desolate. It's chosen because it's relatively safe. I use the word relatively because if you think ridding on a motorcycle is safe, then you're kidding yourself.
In hindsight, no, I would not have done that wheelie again. Then again hindsight is 20/20 and I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it. I'll be the first to admit that I make mistakes. I don't even remember the bicyclist being there. I guess it just didn't register that he there, I was caught up in the moment. It's not an excuse, I'm just stating what happened. I'd be willing to bet that 95% of the people that viewed that video wouldn't have even seen him if speedballer hadn't pointed him out. Anyway, I'm not gonna try and justify what I did.
It happened almost 2 years ago and I've learned from it. I think it's fine if you want to point it out to others that doing that wheelie was a mistake, but to go on calling me stupid? Well....fuck you. ;D
By the way, this posted isn't meant to be aimed at litespeed. It's meant for anyone that thumbs their nose at me. Ok, flame away, I'm done. :-X
Well said!!!
If I knew people were gonna get bent, I wouldn't even have posted it....I thought it was funny, so I did.
Like you said, hindsight is 20/20...but I really should have known better putting it on a raceboard :P
Some racers seem to have a 'Holier than thou' morality when it comes to wheelies and stuntz...but as you pointed out, I'll bet 99% of the people racing were (or are) once hammering down backroads at triple-digits.
A practice far more dangerous to residents, than a guy goofin' a wheelie.
A lot of racers always seem to forget where they came from (backroads) ...or what they used to do (break the law and endanger others).
As I said originally, the guy wheelying, is now a racer (who doesn't streetride anymore) and the wheelie vid is OLD!
Sorry for posting the vid, ericb....and in my opinion you don't need to make any appoligioes for the wheelie, until the whinners come clean and appoligize for all the sh*t they've done on a bike before they found the racetrack.
I hope we all don't start confessing our motorcycle sins....cause I wouldn't know where to start (https://www.ccsforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gtp-inc.com%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fjesus.gif&hash=5c90f7c47f6d98ee6a9980b11f2d7ba527ab8f69)
QuoteWell said!!!
If I knew people were gonna get bent, I wouldn't even have posted it....I thought it was funny, so I did.
Like you said, hindsight is 20/20...but I really should have known better putting it on a raceboard :P
Yeah man, WTF were you thinking!
Quote...WTF were you thinking!
When do I ever ::)
The whinners can bite me ;D
QuoteWell said!!!
If I knew people were gonna get bent, I wouldn't even have posted it....I thought it was funny, so I did.
Like you said, hindsight is 20/20...but I really should have known better putting it on a raceboard :P
Some racers seem to have a 'Holier than thou' morality when it comes to wheelies and stuntz...but as you pointed out, I'll bet 99% of the people racing were (or are) once hammering down backroads at triple-digits.
A practice far more dangerous to residents, than a guy goofin' a wheelie.
A lot of racers always seem to forget where they came from (backroads) ...or what they used to do (break the law and endanger others).
As I said originally, the guy wheelying, is now a racer (who doesn't streetride anymore) and the wheelie vid is OLD!
Sorry for posting the vid, ericb....and in my opinion you don't need to make any appoligioes for the wheelie, until the whinners come clean and appoligize for all the sh*t they've done on a bike before they found the racetrack.
I hope we all don't start confessing our motorcycle sins....cause I wouldn't know where to start (https://www.ccsforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gtp-inc.com%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Fjesus.gif&hash=5c90f7c47f6d98ee6a9980b11f2d7ba527ab8f69)
Man, I'm glad you posted it. I thought it was funny too. :D