has this been talked about on here at all? Does anyone like the format of practicing on Saturday and running a gt race and sprints on Sunday? I think it sucks, so I only run a few sprint races on Sunday.
Not enough time to dial in your race pace set up with just races on Sunday. Most tracks have a practice day on Friday for seat time, Saturday & Sunday is for racing. :thumb:
there are pluses for both methods.. COST is better having all the races on Sunday. Less hotel and meals, don't have to take leave on Thursday, etc. And how with 6 lap sprints, your tires and fuel go further. Really, how many laps in MOST races are decided within the first few laps ? most. How much time do ya really need to set up a bike for goodness sakes.. if it takes all day you may be doing something wrong. And how many races are you looking to do ? Sometimes it makes for a boring day when you spread things out over 2 full days .. you end up practicing more than racing some times (2 rounds in the morning).
Now, 2 practice sessions in the morning (if time) then it is a bit more relaxing spreading it out over 2 days.. and the races typically are longer with 25 min gt races, and 8 lap sprints. But again, it gets more expensive all around spreading things out over 2 days. That said, i do kinda like it sometimes.
After years of racing CCS florida, I like the 2 day format. Practice all day Sat, race on Sunday. You get more practice time and there's less sitting around. I usually race 5 races in a weekend, at Daytona and Roebling it seems like there's alot more sitting around.
For me if I was racing Florida races all the time.I would not do the practice days before.For me I don't have any extra money for that and I would put more mileage on the bike then in the races also risk having something breaking before the races.Tracks where I'm at sat I do both practices in full and sun sometimes there is 2 sessions but I don't do the whole thing.If I was on some big team I'll do every lap co can.
Quote from: Gino230 on July 27, 2013, 07:42:58 PM
After years of racing CCS florida, I like the 2 day format. Practice all day Sat, race on Sunday. You get more practice time and there's less sitting around. I usually race 5 races in a weekend, at Daytona and Roebling it seems like there's alot more sitting around.
Agreed, and Henry has the race schedule down to a science!
His prices for practice and per race aren't bad either.
Quote from: MELK-MAN on July 25, 2013, 10:47:12 PM
there are pluses for both methods.. COST is better having all the races on Sunday. Less hotel and meals, don't have to take leave on Thursday, etc. And how with 6 lap sprints, your tires and fuel go further. Really, how many laps in MOST races are decided within the first few laps ? most. How much time do ya really need to set up a bike for goodness sakes.. if it takes all day you may be doing something wrong. And how many races are you looking to do ? Sometimes it makes for a boring day when you spread things out over 2 full days .. you end up practicing more than racing some times (2 rounds in the morning).
Now, 2 practice sessions in the morning (if time) then it is a bit more relaxing spreading it out over 2 days.. and the races typically are longer with 25 min gt races, and 8 lap sprints. But again, it gets more expensive all around spreading things out over 2 days. That said, i do kinda like it sometimes.
Its not just one bike. Racing 3 bikes can be a bit overwhelming and a real challenge to set up and doing it over 2 days takes the edge off and makes the weekend more relaxing. Plus having real race condition lap times helps determine final drive gearing and set up changes for better or worse so 2 days is a plus for us.
I just think its retarded to try and run All the races in one day. It's not fun at all. I started racing to race, not do sissy track days. We used to do 3-4 practice sessions in the morning, that was plenty. I don't see it costing any less. I see it costing 150 more each weekend.CCS has continued to find ways to make you think your spending less by making you pay more. Gt races used to be 30 min from the start of the race, now 25min when the five board goes up. Used to be 8 lap races,now 7. Twin sprints was advertised as saving you money on hotels , sorry I don't feel like doing ten races in a weekend. This format won't help the grids get bigger.
Quote from: adrenalinejunkie on July 28, 2013, 11:11:23 PM
I just think its retarded to try and run All the races in one day. It's not fun at all. I started racing to race, not do sissy track days. We used to do 3-4 practice sessions in the morning, that was plenty. I don't see it costing any less. I see it costing 150 more each weekend.CCS has continued to find ways to make you think your spending less by making you pay more. Gt races used to be 30 min from the start of the race, now 25min when the five board goes up. Used to be 8 lap races,now 7. Twin sprints was advertised as saving you money on hotels , sorry I don't feel like doing ten races in a weekend. This format won't help the grids get bigger.
I think everyone would rather have two day racing...like the good ole days. The problem is the good ole days saw grids big enough to support two day racing. Personally, I think 2 sessions of practice is plenty but I realize alot of people prefer having 3 to 4 rounds. CCS is a for-profit organization. So if it seems like they are not trying to save you money...its because they're not. I'm out of the MW region and based on how small our grids were again this past BHF, we don't have enough guys to make it financially smart for CCS to return to two day racing. However, I know you guys out East boast healthier grids as a rule of thumb. From every CCS person I've spoken with, they say they'd love to return to a two day format. It's less stressful on them, they don't have to worry about crunching time and can afford to throw red flags. I just hope that the sport can begin to grow again....cheaper fees and more contingency!
Well said Jonathan. I think you summarized the issue pretty clearly. :thumb:
Quote from: MAZZ77X on July 28, 2013, 01:23:54 PM
Its not just one bike. Racing 3 bikes can be a bit overwhelming and a real challenge to set up and doing it over 2 days takes the edge off and makes the weekend more relaxing. Plus having real race condition lap times helps determine final drive gearing and set up changes for better or worse so 2 days is a plus for us.
i don't see how spreading it over 2 days takes the edge off having 3 bikes.. In FL region with ALL DAY saturday practice, you could get 2 sessions in on each bike. Or, if you go out on one of em and it's ready you have an EXTRA session to sort out one of the other bikes.
2 day format, you have 2 sessions early morning, then you go racing.. Sunday, repeat. So please explain how the 2 day format is any easier for your situation??
Quote from: MELK-MAN on August 01, 2013, 08:51:30 PM
i don't see how spreading it over 2 days takes the edge off having 3 bikes.. In FL region with ALL DAY saturday practice, you could get 2 sessions in on each bike. Or, if you go out on one of em and it's ready you have an EXTRA session to sort out one of the other bikes.
2 day format, you have 2 sessions early morning, then you go racing.. Sunday, repeat. So please explain how the 2 day format is any easier for your situation??
Well we race 3 bikes. Ninja 250, Moriwaki MD 250, and an SV 650.
We use one of Saturdays practice sessions and the GTL to get the SV set up for Sundays LWSS & LWSB races. The other Saturday practice session is for the MD. The ninja just gets pulled out of the trailer and raced on Sunday in ULTB. Having all day Saturday to get the bike ready and test out changes in a 25 min race condition really helps. Then we can drink a few beers and get the final set ups dialed sat eve and sleep easy Sunday morn knowing we're ready to go. Helps with the long drives home as well.
I understand that your saying that we have all day Saturday to get dialed in but once Sunday comes and the races start you have to scramble to make changes, etc. plus braking up the weekend into smaller bits makes it more enjoyable for everyone and my son can watch some of the middle weight races and what not. Not really sure if that answers your question or explains why I like the 2 day format....
We were at the CCS Florida USGPRU finale last seasons the way the weekend went was odd for us and seemed like we had a lot of work to do on Sunday in a short amount of time. Just was not as fun
Quote from: MAZZ77X on August 02, 2013, 05:16:02 PM
Well we race 3 bikes. Ninja 250, Moriwaki MD 250, and an SV 650.
We use one of Saturdays practice sessions and the GTL to get the SV set up for Sundays LWSS & LWSB races. The other Saturday practice session is for the MD. The ninja just gets pulled out of the trailer and raced on Sunday in ULTB. Having all day Saturday to get the bike ready and test out changes in a 25 min race condition really helps. Then we can drink a few beers and get the final set ups dialed sat eve and sleep easy Sunday morn knowing we're ready to go. Helps with the long drives home as well.
I understand that your saying that we have all day Saturday to get dialed in but once Sunday comes and the races start you have to scramble to make changes, etc. plus braking up the weekend into smaller bits makes it more enjoyable for everyone and my son can watch some of the middle weight races and what not. Not really sure if that answers your question or explains why I like the 2 day format....
We were at the CCS Florida USGPRU finale last seasons the way the weekend went was odd for us and seemed like we had a lot of work to do on Sunday in a short amount of time. Just was not as fun
i hear what you are saying.. and sure, if it's not the way you are used to doing things it's going to seem foreign. On the single day format, one key is to NOT make changes on race day. Saturday is for practice and changes. On sunday, put the warmers on, gas up the bikes, and go.
Quote from: adrenalinejunkie on July 28, 2013, 11:11:23 PM
I just think its retarded to try and run All the races in one day. It's not fun at all. I started racing to race, not do sissy track days. We used to do 3-4 practice sessions in the morning, that was plenty. I don't see it costing any less. I see it costing 150 more each weekend.CCS has continued to find ways to make you think your spending less by making you pay more. Gt races used to be 30 min from the start of the race, now 25min when the five board goes up. Used to be 8 lap races,now 7. Twin sprints was advertised as saving you money on hotels , sorry I don't feel like doing ten races in a weekend. This format won't help the grids get bigger.
So who are you calling "retarded'? We've been doing it that way in the Florida Region for more than 20 years and you do get more seat time for less money, you uninformed misguided idiot!
I love the FL format and the $55 a class. You the man Henry! Way to :kicknuts: :thumb: The Ccs FL events are a lot fun and run smoothly. Track days are $150 so $100 to practice all day sat is good. Then the $55 a class is less than anywhere else you race. It costs a lot more to race two days because of added insurance, I'm pretty sure. Keep up the good work Henry. I think 99% of people will agree with me that you are doing a great job.
I am sorry if your retarded and I offended you, that was not my intention. maybe calculators in Florida do not work like the rest of the world. Allow me to do the math for you. On a regular weekend most racers would do around 5 races. gt race and 4 sprints. original weekend $85+60+60+60+60=$325. this had plenty of practice both mornings,gt race and a sprint on sat, 3 sprints on sun. new format $85+60+60+60+60+150=$475. Last time I checked 475 was more than 325. So the way I see it is we are spending more money for more practice and cram all the races into each other and rush to try and get it all in. I know several racers that choose to only do 2-3 races on Sunday because it is to much for one day. That's great if that works for you in Florida, cool. But I thought twin sprints was silly when they came up with that BS, and this is even sillier. I am not going to resort to calling names like you did, that doesn't get much done. I don't think I am uninformed, misguided or an idiot, but if you need help understanding how that calculator works just let me know.
Quote from: adrenalinejunkie on August 05, 2013, 11:57:00 AM
I am sorry if your retarded and I offended you, that was not my intention. maybe calculators in Florida do not work like the rest of the world. Allow me to do the math for you. On a regular weekend most racers would do around 5 races. gt race and 4 sprints. original weekend $85+60+60+60+60=$325. this had plenty of practice both mornings,gt race and a sprint on sat, 3 sprints on sun. new format $85+60+60+60+60+150=$475. Last time I checked 475 was more than 325. So the way I see it is we are spending more money for more practice and cram all the races into each other and rush to try and get it all in. I know several racers that choose to only do 2-3 races on Sunday because it is to much for one day. That's great if that works for you in Florida, cool. But I thought twin sprints was silly when they came up with that BS, and this is even sillier. I am not going to resort to calling names like you did, that doesn't get much done. I don't think I am uninformed, misguided or an idiot, but if you need help understanding how that calculator works just let me know.
So you "don't resort to calling names"! I do believe that calling someone "retarded" would fall into that catagory? I called you an "idiot" because it seemed to suit you so well and now you back it up with your calculator & fees statement! God help you, you are an idiot!