Huge thanks to the CCS official that held the big "TECH" sign after the supersport race on Sunday! :cheers: In my opinion that is needed every supersport race to remind riders to tech. Alternatively, they could just tech us in hot pit like they used to do! I don't see why they don't do it that way anymore. When ALL THREE podium finishers in one race forget to tech that's a sign that something needs to be done. This is the 2nd weekend in a row where multiple riders have been DQ'd for forgetting tech. (twice in a row for me)
Yea I know its our responsibility, but is it really that much of a hassle to hold a sign or move tech for us forgetful people? Its just that after a race I am not thinking straight and I'm in my own little world. I always forget! Even when I write it down to tech on my gas tank! ::) I also come to the track alone so I dont have anyone to remind me in the pit.
So pretty please keep using the tech sign or consider moving tech to hot pit for the supersport races. Just my opinion. Thank you.
Quote from: supercarl on July 22, 2013, 11:00:12 AM
Huge thanks to the CCS official that held the big "TECH" sign after the supersport race on Sunday! :cheers: In my opinion that is needed every supersport race to remind riders to tech. Alternatively, they could just tech us in hot pit like they used to do! I don't see why they don't do it that way anymore. When ALL THREE podium finishers in one race forget to tech that's a sign that something needs to be done. This is the 2nd weekend in a row where multiple riders have been DQ'd for forgetting tech. (twice in a row for me)
Yea I know its our responsibility, but is it really that much of a hassle to hold a sign or move tech for us forgetful people? Its just that after a race I am not thinking straight and I'm in my own little world. I always forget! Even when I write it down to tech on my gas tank! ::) I also come to the track alone so I dont have anyone to remind me in the pit.
So pretty please keep using the tech sign or consider moving tech to hot pit for the supersport races. Just my opinion. Thank you.
+1 I had my teammate remind me to go to tech which helped alot. At RA I took 2nd in SS and 1st place forgot completely...I rolled over there and reminded him. Getting a win due to a technicality doesn't ever feel good. Plus, you shouldn't lose results based on forgetting to go to tech. The sign should be there for every SS race IMO. I thought since you got made fun of at riders meeting for asking about tech that you wouldn't forget though!!! LOL
Always assume tech after any supersport race for the top 3. Been that way forever. Unless race director says otherwise at the riders meeting (reason why every rider should be there like they are supposed to).
Quote from: Woofentino Pugrossi on July 22, 2013, 12:49:29 PM
Always assume tech after any supersport race for the top 3. Been that way forever. Unless race director says otherwise at the riders meeting (reason why every rider should be there like they are supposed to).
Well like at RA....the first day they didnt require SS to tech. SS should always be required to tech so it doesn't cause any confusion IMO.
Quote from: Woofentino Pugrossi on July 22, 2013, 12:49:29 PM
Always assume tech after any supersport race for the top 3. Been that way forever. Unless race director says otherwise at the riders meeting (reason why every rider should be there like they are supposed to).
The problem is I do alot of races and I never know which are supersport. I write it down on my gas tank, but I still forget! I cant help it.
I was at the riders meeting and even asked them to remind us off the track cause I knew I would forget and they laughed at me. I promptly forgot and got DQ'd out of a win argghhhh. Seriously a sign shouldnt be too difficult. I'll even hold a bake sale and raise the money to buy ccs a tech sign if need be. I lost out on over $500 of contingency $$$ for being forgetful.
Carl ya gotta get into a routine. You guys the first to forget to do it? Nope and it will still happen even WITH a sign. Back when I started racing cars I forgot to run across the scales after the race. Docked 3 positions. Never forgot to do it again.
Can the officials also hold up a sign to remind me to check my gas before the race? Oh and also to buckle my helmet before I put my gloves on I keep forgetting. Thanks.
You're lucky they don't have you pull fuel tanks and open air boxes like they used to every SS race.
Quote from: supercarl on July 22, 2013, 11:00:12 AM
Huge thanks to the CCS official that held the big "TECH" sign after the supersport race on Sunday! :cheers: In my opinion that is needed every supersport race to remind riders to tech. Alternatively, they could just tech us in hot pit like they used to do! I don't see why they don't do it that way anymore. When ALL THREE podium finishers in one race forget to tech that's a sign that something needs to be done. This is the 2nd weekend in a row where multiple riders have been DQ'd for forgetting tech. (twice in a row for me)
Yea I know its our responsibility, but is it really that much of a hassle to hold a sign or move tech for us forgetful people? Its just that after a race I am not thinking straight and I'm in my own little world. I always forget! Even when I write it down to tech on my gas tank! ::) I also come to the track alone so I dont have anyone to remind me in the pit.
So pretty please keep using the tech sign or consider moving tech to hot pit for the supersport races. Just my opinion. Thank you.
why should officials stand in the hot sun, for multiple races, because the RACERS don't listen at the riders meetings?? Alan, Jennifer, etc. say multiple times that any top 3 in a ss race should report to tech. I wouldn't wanna sit in the friggin sun after a race, why should the officials ?
The sign isn't a horrible idea, i can understand for the first year or so racers need to "get in the groove".. and for many it could be awhile before you NEED to report to tech, so yea, the sign isn't a horrible idea but i find it sucks for them to do more than they need to. I mean, if they forget to put the sign up, are you gonna be mad if you don't go to tech and get dq'd ?
It's pretty darn simple, ss race, go to tech. Even if you are not sure ! easy.
Quote from: bruce71198 on July 22, 2013, 07:57:47 PM
Can the officials also hold up a sign to remind me to check my gas before the race? Oh and also to buckle my helmet before I put my gloves on I keep forgetting. Thanks.
:lmao:
Karl, you crack me up. For those of you who were not at Black Hawk Farms where the said SS tech issue occurred, here's the homer behind it. On Saturday morning Karl addressed his concerns on the tech process during the riders meeting. He wanted to be reminded to tech after his race. The next day during Sundays riders meeting the issue was once again brought up because some ass clown forgot to tech. And wouldn't you know it, it was Karl. To be fair there were two other guys that forgot as well. It was a funny situation.
All in all, I believe the ride should be responsible for knowing what race he/she is in and when to tech. Let's not burn up the resources of CCS on items that could be handled with a bit of foresight
Quote from: MELK-MAN on July 22, 2013, 10:45:19 PM
why should officials stand in the hot sun, for multiple races, because the RACERS don't listen at the riders meetings?? Alan, Jennifer, etc. say multiple times that any top 3 in a ss race should report to tech. I wouldn't wanna sit in the friggin sun after a race, why should the officials ?
The sign isn't a horrible idea, i can understand for the first year or so racers need to "get in the groove".. and for many it could be awhile before you NEED to report to tech, so yea, the sign isn't a horrible idea but i find it sucks for them to do more than they need to. I mean, if they forget to put the sign up, are you gonna be mad if you don't go to tech and get dq'd ?
It's pretty darn simple, ss race, go to tech. Even if you are not sure ! easy.
It's not an issue of not listening in riders meetings. I heard them say it and even brought up a question about it. There are also canopies in the pit so officials don't have to sit in the sun. They're already standing out there anyway to congratulate us after the race too so I don't see what the issue is. As for the sign I don't think it would take too much time to put it up or just wave it.
Oh and BTW Melk Man, I finally won 2 expert races on my bridgestones :biggrin: woulda been 3 but guess what, I forgot to go to tech lmao :banghead: I think the B-stones can and will win expert races. I just need to keep improving. (sorry off topic)
Quote from: kvanengen on July 23, 2013, 10:52:12 AM
Karl, you crack me up. For those of you who were not at Black Hawk Farms where the said SS tech issue occurred, here’s the homer behind it. On Saturday morning Karl addressed his concerns on the tech process during the riders meeting. He wanted to be reminded to tech after his race. The next day during Sundays riders meeting the issue was once again brought up because some ass clown forgot to tech. And wouldn’t you know it, it was Karl. To be fair there were two other guys that forgot as well. It was a funny situation.
All in all, I believe the ride should be responsible for knowing what race he/she is in and when to tech. Let’s not burn up the resources of CCS on items that could be handled with a bit of foresight
We three weren't the only ones who forgot to tech. There were other racers in other classes that forgot as well. Same thing with the last weekend at road America. Lots of riders forgetting. That's why I brought it up in the first riders meeting. A lot of people wanted to be reminded with a sign or something. I would prefer them to tech in hot pit like the used to do even if that means tearing down tank and airbox. That's still better than forgetting.
The worst part is I knew I would forget in the riders meeting so I tried everything I could do to not forget and still forgot. ::) I've done this way too many times now. And yes I know how amusing this is to everyone :biggrin: maybe I should stop drinking beer :ahhh:
I really think this could be done with zero or minimal resources from ccs as well. Like I said I'll buy or raise money for the fricking sign and the officials are already standing out in hot pit. It wouldn't waste any resources for them to just hold the sign for one min as we come off track. I will even pay the sign-holding official in beer, free hugs, and high fives. Seems like a good deal to me.
I know it's my responsibility, but I obviously can't handle it lol. What I'm asking for is just a small favor from CCS. I know many other riders would like it as well. Just a suggestion and just my opinion. Be gentle on me :cheers:
Quote from: bruce71198 on July 22, 2013, 07:57:47 PM
Can the officials also hold up a sign to remind me to check my gas before the race? Oh and also to buckle my helmet before I put my gloves on I keep forgetting. Thanks.
That would be awesome!!! I know someone who has already ran out of gas in two races this year because they forgot to put gas in. One of these races they were winning. I'll give you one guess on who that rider is :biggrin:
Quote from: supercarl on July 23, 2013, 12:46:38 PM
That would be awesome!!! I know someone who has already ran out of gas in two races this year because they forgot to put gas in. One of these races they were winning. I'll give you one guess on who that rider is :biggrin:
I think Carl is the front runner for the Mr. Potato Head award!:-P
Quote from: supercarl on July 23, 2013, 12:46:38 PM
That would be awesome!!! I know someone who has already ran out of gas in two races this year because they forgot to put gas in. One of these races they were winning. I'll give you one guess on who that rider is :biggrin:
seriously ? you ran out of gas .. twice ?? I rest my earlier case :thumb: (just pokin fun)
But on the entire of the officials being in a tent, or whatever.. get over it. YOU, THE RIDER, need to be the one that remembers to go to tech. They have enough to do on the day. They do much more than a "small favor" just putting these races on for us.
Suck it up Buttercup, and pay YOUR BUDDIES the beers or hookers, to be on pit row to remind you of what to do. :cheers:
congrats on winning on b-stones. Now don't toot your own horn TOO loudly, i see there were only 4 riders in the 2 events ya won.. will you even get ANY tire contingency in those races ?? 8) Still,
it's a win and winning is cool. So congrats are due. But I assure you, your lap times would be faster on michelin cup tires, and you likely would place higher in those races ya finished much further back.. And when DanO is back from Laguan, and Ricardo V. is back in action ;) Your gonna need a better tire to run with those guys. As your pace picks up, and i'm sure it will, you will be looking for better rubber.
EDIT: b-stone payout:
needed to have 5 riders to pay out for just 1st place, 8 riders to pay out to 2nd, 10 riders to pay out to 3rd-4th-5th..
Quote from: MELK-MAN on July 23, 2013, 01:56:23 PM
seriously ? you ran out of gas .. twice ?? I rest my earlier case :thumb: (just pokin fun)
But on the entire of the officials being in a tent, or whatever.. get over it. YOU, THE RIDER, need to be the one that remembers to go to tech. They have enough to do on the day. They do much more than a "small favor" just putting these races on for us. Suck it up Buttercup, and pay YOUR BUDDIES the beers or hookers, to be on pit row to remind you of what to do. :cheers:
congrats on winning on b-stones. Now don't toot your own horn TOO loudly, i see there were only 4 riders in the 2 events ya won.. will you even get ANY tire contingency in those races ?? 8) Still, it's a win and winning is cool. So congrats are due. But I assure you, your lap times would be faster on michelin cup tires, and you likely would place higher in those races ya finished much further back.. And when DanO is back from Laguan, and Ricardo V. is back in action ;) Your gonna need a better tire to run with those guys. As your pace picks up, and i'm sure it will, you will be looking for better rubber.
EDIT: b-stone payout:
needed to have 5 riders to pay out for just 1st place, 8 riders to pay out to 2nd, 10 riders to pay out to 3rd-4th-5th..
I dont have any buddies that can come to the track with me and all my buddies at the track are usually too busy running their own program to remind me. So I'm going to say it now, without the sign or tech in hot pit I will forget to tech after SS at least one more time this year lol. Ill suck it up, but I just wanted to voice my opinion for a potential change. Just throwin it out there in hopes CCS might be extra nice. I know they do alot for us already and appreciate it very much.
on a side note... Wanna hold a tech sign for me at daytona?? Ill buy you beer and hookers :biggrin: :thumb:
And hey the third event I "won" (but got DQd) had enough people to pay out contingency from bstone. Thats $400 i lost out on just from tire money. and yes I know Dano and Ricky were out of action this round, but I got into the high 11's at blackhawk this last time out, which is dang close to their low 11's pace from the last round. Mark my words, I'll get into the 10s on bstones this year (along with forgetting to tech again haha.) hopefully the fast guys wont get any faster till then lol
And not to mention any names, but I know of a few fast riders in the midwest switching to bridgestones now. Seeing me get all my tires paid for from contingency might be a factor. And I think these riders switching may be intially slower on them but once they get used to them they will be able to turn fast times. guess we'll see. Now enough of my plug for Bstone and back onto complaining about my forgetfullness :biggrin:
keep at it.. the winning (when possible) and the complaining :) Someone may do ya a favor at tech, who knows.
Can't help ya at Daytona in Oct. though, sorry. I will be in any race you are in, likely in front of ya, on Michelins .. LOL.
Seriously though, good job though Carl, and cool of ya keeping a light tone about all this. best of luck.
Quote from: MELK-MAN on July 23, 2013, 03:35:36 PM
keep at it.. the winning (when possible) and the complaining :) Someone may do ya a favor at tech, who knows.
Can't help ya at Daytona in Oct. though, sorry. I will be in any race you are in, likely in front of ya, on Michelins .. LOL.
Seriously though, good job though Carl, and cool of ya keeping a light tone about all this. best of luck.
Thanks man, hopefully I'll have something for you at Daytona! You guys are too dang fast if you ask me lol
Quote from: CSBRacing 3:17 on July 23, 2013, 12:49:39 PM
I think Carl is the front runner for the Mr. Potato Head award!:-P
I'm not worried. Theres plenty more time in the season left for others to do stupid things :D
Nice job on the lap times! You were looking good through 4-5 on Sat. Wish I'd been able to get on the bike myself though!
Carl, Carl, Carl....... What are we going to do with you. No Michelle and DanO to hold your hand this weekend and you start slipping up! :-) Keep it up and Michelle will be looking for a new Poolboy!
As far as Tech on Hot Pit...... Not a good idea. You know the layout at Blackhawk and how we try to keep the program rolling with the next race coming out as soon as we get the last bike in from the previous race. Doing Tech on Hot Pit would make that unsafe.
As far as the Tech sign on Sunday.... Thank Jay in Tech for getting artistic with some electrical tape and I was the one holding it up at Pit In. And yes, I do like a Spotted Cow occasionally
Seems as though the loss of points in a disqualification would be a sufficiant reminder.
Maybe if large $ fines were added it would be a better reminder.
Quote from: flyboy75 on July 23, 2013, 06:29:35 PM
Nice job on the lap times! You were looking good through 4-5 on Sat. Wish I'd been able to get on the bike myself though!
Thanks man! Hopefully you can ride next round! I need to get my engine unblown up before then too lol
Quote from: Burt Munro on July 23, 2013, 08:45:52 PM
Carl, Carl, Carl....... What are we going to do with you. No Michelle and DanO to hold your hand this weekend and you start slipping up! :-) Keep it up and Michelle will be looking for a new Poolboy!
As far as Tech on Hot Pit...... Not a good idea. You know the layout at Blackhawk and how we try to keep the program rolling with the next race coming out as soon as we get the last bike in from the previous race. Doing Tech on Hot Pit would make that unsafe.
As far as the Tech sign on Sunday.... Thank Jay in Tech for getting artistic with some electrical tape and I was the one holding it up at Pit In. And yes, I do like a Spotted Cow occasionally
Its not my fault I swear! Im a first year expert. I need guidence :biggrin: . I blame everybody else except me. :ass:
But on a serious note, good point about tech on hot pit at Blackhawk. I did not think about that from a safety point of view. You are absolutely right.
Both you and Jay have some spotted cow coming your way, I owe you guys huge! :thumb: I seriously wouldve forget to tech again on Sunday until I saw that sign. Can't thank you enough!!!
Quote from: tug296 on July 23, 2013, 11:36:55 PM
Seems as though the loss of points in a disqualification would be a sufficiant reminder.
Maybe if large $ fines were added it would be a better reminder.
Come on, as if my budget wasnt already strained enough as is ::)
you write your grid positions on tape, stick to your tank. If you don't do this.. do it. Next to the ss race grid position, write "TECH".
For anyone reading this, it's important to get to the correct grid position quickly. Having to wait, and have everyone else on the grid sit there while an official guides you to the correct position is frustrating to say the least. Put your grid positions on tape, stick to the tank. Saves everyone a lot of trouble.
taking it further, don't put around on the warm up lap. Especially if you see riders a few turns ahead of you on track. There is nothing worse than someone getting on track right at the end of the 5-board time, only to see them go slow around the track.
Karl, I'm just giving you a hard time. I get your point, however, I agree with Melk-Man on this one. The whole situation was pretty funny though. Potato Head worthy, maybe not, but we can still get a good laugh out of it. You might be best off making a sign and asking one of the ccs officials near track exit to hold it up for a case of beer. That's more likely to happen than a rule change.
Melk-Man, Sorry for this being off topic of this thread, but I wanted to get back to you on our SV tire conversation from last week. My opinion was that Pirelli was a superior tire for the sv over the other brands. (I said that having ran all of them other than the new R-10 Bridgestone) I proved that again last weekend by resetting the LW track record while on Pirelli's. After mounting up a set of Bridgestones like I said I would, I'm sticking to my original opinion for now. To be fair the Bridgestone's are not far off. Throw contingency on top it makes for an appealing option. Bridgestone truly makes a good tire. (I tried the DOT R-10 soft front and rear) Considering my bike is setup to work with Pirelli's the R-10's worked very well. Am I sold yet, no, but I'm going to give them another shot and see what they're capable of once my bike is set-up to run the R-10's. I was still a few tenths off my lap times while on the Bridgestone's vs. the Pirelli's. Although, the Bridgestone's did not cause me to lose any positions and there is something to be said about that. Good conversation last week. It got me to step outside the box and try something new.
:: will hold Tech sign for Beer ::
Quote from: MELK-MAN on July 24, 2013, 10:28:52 AM
you write your grid positions on tape, stick to your tank. If you don't do this.. do it. Next to the ss race grid position, write "TECH".
For anyone reading this, it's important to get to the correct grid position quickly. Having to wait, and have everyone else on the grid sit there while an official guides you to the correct position is frustrating to say the least. Put your grid positions on tape, stick to the tank. Saves everyone a lot of trouble.
taking it further, don't put around on the warm up lap. Especially if you see riders a few turns ahead of you on track. There is nothing worse than someone getting on track right at the end of the 5-board time, only to see them go slow around the track.
You should see my tank. Literally has a piece of duct tape on it with all my grid positions marked. and TECH in big bold letters next to each supersport race. Doesnt help. lol
But fineeeeeeeee. I'm offering a six pack of beer per day to anyone that is willing to hold a tech sign for me at pit out during the supersport races :cheers: . First person who comes to me at the track gets the job for the day.
No previous sign holding experience required. Beer drinking ability paramount.
Quote from: supercarl on July 24, 2013, 01:14:23 PM
You should see my tank. Literally has a piece of duct tape on it with all my grid positions marked. and TECH in big bold letters next to each supersport race. Doesnt help. lol
But fineeeeeeeee. I'm offering a six pack of beer per day to anyone that is willing to hold a tech sign for me at pit out during the supersport races :cheers: . First person who comes to me at the track gets the job for the day.
No previous sign holding experience required. Beer drinking ability paramount.
Not to speak for my wife, but she might just be the right person to get on board with that proposal. She's going to be at the track drinking anyways, so why not hold up a sign at the same time.
Perfect!
Payment after services rendered (beer after sign holding duties completed) will increase likelihood of job getting done :) .. just sayin.
Carl, you can always try to get Super Dave to hold the sign for ya. Just be fore warned, he'll probably be wearing his umbrella girl outfit. :lmao:
Carl, I'll put "TECH" on the back of my leathers so when you lap me on the white flag you'll know to go.
Quote from: MELK-MAN on July 24, 2013, 09:10:46 PM
Payment after services rendered (beer after sign holding duties completed) will increase likelihood of job getting done :) .. just sayin.
Good point. Maybe one beer up front so they know Im for real. Then the remaining five after job completion :cheers:
Quote from: Woofentino Pugrossi on July 25, 2013, 01:26:02 AM
Carl, you can always try to get Super Dave to hold the sign for ya. Just be fore warned, he'll probably be wearing his umbrella girl outfit. :lmao:
Even better! I'll be sure to get him some wine coolers and shmirnoff ices then :biggrin:
Quote from: Shipley81 on July 25, 2013, 05:58:04 PM
Carl, I'll put "TECH" on the back of my leathers so when you lap me on the white flag you'll know to go.
:lmao: Lmao that would be awesome! Then people would think your nickname is "TECH". And when you get Moto GP super fast everyone will be calling you TECH and have no idea why.
However for this plan to work, you would have to catch up to me again on the cool down lap and get in front of me again so I can see it. I will easily forget again if I only see it with one lap to go. :lmao: