Hi Kevin, Ginger and the gang.. i know there are a million things to do, just wondering when overall points might be posted. Thanks in advance :biggrin:
any idea when overall points will be posted?? aaaaaany idea at all.. 8)
Hoping very shortly to have the overall points portion updated.
We are sorry
thanks Kevin.
Not sure how I should feel about that
:/R
I could retaliate for a comment from Topeka here, but I'll pass.
Quote from: Eric Kelcher on April 30, 2012, 08:30:30 PM
Not sure how I should feel about that
:/R
We really don't give a shit "how you feel about that" :finger: , get the overall points up! :spank:
HD
Quote from: Eric Kelcher on April 30, 2012, 08:30:30 PM
Not sure how I should feel about that
:/R
.. thanks ERIC :kissy: Is that better? :lmao: Sorry bout that. Some wacked out form of dyslexia had me reading Kevin posted that..
That is the nice answer, HD is my "backup" on this topic and posted what i was THINKING.. :lmao:
Quote from: Burt Munro on April 30, 2012, 08:55:24 PM
I could retaliate for a comment from Topeka here, but I'll pass.
Me?
:)
Gonna miss ya this weekend
Quote from: MELK-MAN on May 01, 2012, 08:12:27 PM
.. thanks ERIC :kissy: Is that better? :lmao: Sorry bout that. Some wacked out form of dyslexia had me reading Kevin posted that..
That is the nice answer, HD is my "backup" on this topic and posted what i was THINKING.. :lmao:
Yeah HD, as I remind him whenever I talk to him, is not politically correct
:)
Quote from: Eric Kelcher on May 02, 2012, 12:05:17 AM
Me?
:)
Gonna miss ya this weekend
Have fun in NJ. I'm sure we'll miss you at Road America too! :-)
Quote from: Eric Kelcher on May 02, 2012, 12:06:55 AM
Yeah HD, as I remind him whenever I talk to him, is not politically correct
:)
I'm not "politically correct"??? :wtf: This coming from a guy that thinks Rick Perry is God! :lmao:
HD
What year is this? I can do the overall points for everyone from my windows phone.How hard can it be for a computer to add it up? It should be instant.
but don't forget, you have to factor in performance index! :)
I have been racing CCS for 10 years now and I still have no idea how performance index works.
I have gotten very proficient at mailing in checks and registration forms, though. I keep a whole book of stamps and envelopes in my desk strictly for CCS.
I think this is how it works based on trying to figure it out from my own results:
Performance Index = (R - P) / R * 1000
Where:
R = Total number of racers on grid
P = Number of racers that place ahead of you
Once, I had a question mark for my Performance Index. Not sure why CCS did that.
It was announced at the Homestead riders meeting by Mark Allen, that the points would be up by this weekend :preachon: . Where are they :wtf: ?
HD
our web development team could whip up an online entry form for accepting secured credit cards faster than you can charge a cup of coffee. Is there some reason we don't allow online signups?
Quote from: design-engine on May 13, 2012, 05:43:17 PM
our web development team could whip up an online entry form for accepting secured credit cards faster than you can charge a cup of coffee. Is there some reason we don't allow online signups?
I thought this was about "overall regional points" :err: ? Don't hijack this topic, start a new one :finger: !
HD
(sigh)
Quote from: Super Dave on May 13, 2012, 07:54:33 PM
(sigh)
for sure! points first, then on-line sign up.. baby steps!! :)
There used to be on line entries...
Quote from: Super Dave on May 14, 2012, 08:48:13 AM
There used to be on line entries...
wow.. when was that? your showin your age Dave! :)
I think that was around yet at the ending part of CCE...and that's your time yet. But it probably only applied to National office stuff which would include Midwest and the offshoots.
Quote from: Super Dave on May 14, 2012, 12:19:56 PM
I think that was around yet at the ending part of CCE...and that's your time yet. But it probably only applied to National office stuff which would include Midwest and the offshoots.
I do believe overall points on the new program will have to be addressed before online entries can be looked into? Or would you just like to forget about overall points and go to online entry? :rollseyes:
HD
Quote from: MELK-MAN on May 13, 2012, 10:39:31 PM
for sure! points first, then on-line sign up.. baby steps!! :)
:thumb:
Quote from: hdpromos on May 14, 2012, 04:04:56 PM
I do believe overall points on the new program will have to be addressed before online entries can be looked into? Or would you just like to forget about overall points and go to online entry? :rollseyes:
HD
Well its not looking like the overall points are working out so why not....
Quote from: JayB125 on May 14, 2012, 05:20:55 PM
Well its not looking like the overall points are working out so why not....
Ok game change :banghead: , it's now online entries :jerkoff: ! I'm outa here, let me know how that works out :blahblah: !
HD
Perhaps we can delegate the overall points scoring to the nearest 5 year old. :biggrin:
Quote from: hdpromos on May 14, 2012, 04:04:56 PM
I do believe overall points on the new program will have to be addressed before online entries can be looked into? Or would you just like to forget about overall points and go to online entry? :rollseyes:
HD
Well, which will help CCS nationally and the individual independent CCS regions be more profitable?
The web...well, it's pretty big. There are racers that have grandma's that can use it. They may live away from their grand kids that race. But they are still enthusiasts. There are even friends of racers that are still enthusiasts. And the whole web thing could be used to help CCS promote itself to the racers and fans as a caring organization that really appreciates the money that racers, their mom's and whomever pay to the organization to put on the events.
There are awards at the end of the year, or some many months after, even for all the travel and competition. While most racers don't have a really big program or anything, it might be the only program that they ever have in sports in their lifetime. Seems like the lack of importance put into points, and sometimes results, places the organization in an adversarial relationship with the place where the financing comes from. That really stinks from a customer point of view...
And so many have volunteered over the past decade PLUS to even compile whatever for CCS for free...
Quote from: Super Dave on May 15, 2012, 11:14:33 AM
Well, which will help CCS nationally and the individual independent CCS regions be more profitable?
The web...well, it's pretty big. There are racers that have grandma's that can use it. They may live away from their grand kids that race. But they are still enthusiasts. There are even friends of racers that are still enthusiasts. And the whole web thing could be used to help CCS promote itself to the racers and fans as a caring organization that really appreciates the money that racers, their mom's and whomever pay to the organization to put on the events.
There are awards at the end of the year, or some many months after, even for all the travel and competition. While most racers don't have a really big program or anything, it might be the only program that they ever have in sports in their lifetime. Seems like the lack of importance put into points, and sometimes results, places the organization in an adversarial relationship with the place where the financing comes from. That really stinks from a customer point of view...
And so many have volunteered over the past decade PLUS to even compile whatever for CCS for free...
Great we agree :cheers: ! Now let's get the points thing fixed and then do all the other things that need to be done. :thumb:
HD
In addition to the reports they provide, CCS should consider publishing the raw timing and scoring data to the web in simple XML formatted files.
Quote from: hdpromos on May 15, 2012, 11:27:26 AM
Great we agree :cheers: ! Now let's get the points thing fixed and then do all the other things that need to be done. :thumb:
HD
Oh, hell, yeah! I think the only response that everyone that want to see their points or the points of their friend/family seem to have is:
WTF? It's 2012!
I've changed my mind. I like posting CCS a check to enter and the flexibility that provides.
Quote from: leeroy996 on May 15, 2012, 03:19:57 PM
I've changed my mind. I like posting CCS a check to enter and the flexibility that provides.
That was always available when there was the online opportunity in addition to other organizations that have those yet today.
just noticed points were updated. No overall yet.
I don't think the regional points are correct at least in the class' I am racing
Quote from: majicMARKer on May 15, 2012, 05:48:19 PM
I don't think the regional points are correct at least in the class' I am racing
No. They are horribly wrong.
It looks like I didn't even run at NJMP. No points for the round at all.
This is beyond frustrating. As someone who is currently managing a team of 10 active CCS racers (and also doing a little racing myself) the scoring system this year is causing more than a few problems.
I have reports to file with sponsors. I have commitments to them to keep them posted on what we are doing, what our results were and what we plan to do. Not knowing points standings or even waiting for a week or more after an event to view lap times and results makes this difficult. And it also effects future plans. Points determine our travel schedule. Some guys have to schedule time off of work. And that's just what I'm dealing with; I'm sure there are more than a few guys in my position. And maybe I could figure out overall points a little easier if the round totals were even correct. However, according to the online totals, we may as well have not showed up for NJMP.
I also run a shop and have many CCS racers as customers. I know my viewpoint is not unique.
And my need to file reports to fulfill sponsorship agreements shouldn't supersede the position of the guy showing up with a bike in the back of his truck trying to put a season together who wants to know where he stands. On average, when racers are spending (on the low end) $1000/weekend to show up and race (granted, only a percentage of that is entry fees), keeping an accurate record of how they did should be part of the package.
Past experience has taught me that emails to CCS will go unanswered. It doesn't look like this thread is getting anywhere either.
Please, let's get this problem resolved. If the overall goal is to grow this thing, we need an accurate record of it even happening. Many track day riders reference the results and lap times. Track day riders are potential racers. Aside from them being at the track, the web is where they can go to see how their friends did and look at the results.
I understand management's reluctance to have a presence on this forum, but we need some feedback. We need some confirmation that something better is in the works. I know of a few CCS racers that have offered to help that have not received replies.
And while we're at it, online registration would be nice. :thumb:
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get rid of the performance index bull pucky.. it is a waste and doesn't do what it was intended to do. Riders can still enter a ton of races and pull off championships without running every round, nor winning every race. It also keeps some from entering races they would otherwise perhaps enter for fear of hurting the overall championship score if they do poorly in that one race (that class you ran 1 race in.. counts as much toward your overall p.i. as classes you ran 10 races in).
DOING AWAY with the PI altogether would SIMPLIFY our overall points! Add em up, done.
That's a start. The PI is irrelevant.
I have been waiting several months for a reply to why I am not receiving my Roadracing world subscription that I paid for with my license. I was told two months ago by Eric they were looking into it and my last monthly email three weeks ago went unanswered. I am not surprised they cant straighten out the point issue when a simple issue like a magazine subscription can't get worked out. I am really loosing faith in CCS. Henry branch off and start your own series!
Quote from: twojays258 on May 17, 2012, 09:39:27 AM
I have been waiting several months for a reply to why I am not receiving my Roadracing world subscription that I paid for with my license. I was told two months ago by Eric they were looking into it and my last monthly email three weeks ago went unanswered. I am not surprised they cant straighten out the point issue when a simple issue like a magazine subscription can't get worked out. I am really loosing faith in CCS. Henry branch off and start your own series!
I will check on your subscription but no thanks on starting my own series! To be clear, I already have my own series and sanction w/CCS. Not interested in starting my own sanctioning body.
Quote from: MELK-MAN on May 16, 2012, 07:20:40 PMDOING AWAY with the PI altogether would SIMPLIFY our overall points! Add em up, done.
They probably should not get rid of it, but change the calculation to give less weight to a class that is less competitive (i.e., less riders on grid). You shouldn't score 1000 PI when you were one of two bikes on the grid. It probably should be scaled against the average number of bikes on all grids that count towards Overall Championship Points.
Of course, this would make the calculation more complicated. That's probably the wrong direction to go at the moment as they seem to have their hands full with getting the system to perform basic calculations.
Quote from: twojays258 on May 17, 2012, 09:39:27 AM
I have been waiting several months for a reply to why I am not receiving my Roadracing world subscription that I paid for with my license. I was told two months ago by Eric they were looking into it and my last monthly email three weeks ago went unanswered. I am not surprised they cant straighten out the point issue when a simple issue like a magazine subscription can't get worked out. I am really loosing faith in CCS. Henry branch off and start your own series!
that reminds me among other things, never got mine either. time to send an email too. back to waiting for points
please ya'll.. something needs done to be done to get the points updated. Any news even on when this well be sorted?
Glitch that caused points to get jumbled from region and status was found and corrected Friday. Tomorrow I will be checking to see if there are lingering erractic points files. If all checks out then the overall points file should also check out and updates will be posted.
Appreciate the reply on a sunday Eric..
someone should be assigned to manually figure things and report in a spreadsheet at least. Professionalism is what we are after.
Is CCS prepared to share the data so someone can do it for them? This is not complicated.
something. Lets just get this DONE. 1/2 way or more though the season and no overall points?
Yeah, got all the glitches and erratic points sorted over the last week.
I am running a points calculation overnight tonight, I had to use database during the day today in preparation for this weekend's races and couldn't have it down for the 2-3 hours today it was going to take to compute all the regional class and overall points.
I am very sorry it has taken so long
sweet! almost there.. :)
Sounds like a data issue from the original source.
Original data was fine uncorrupted files
Merge of 4 databases resulted in overwriting of some information from the other events the same weekend.
It's all good. We just wanted to know what was up. Thanks for endulging us with status updates through the process.
I'm waiting for them to go up as promised :ahhh: . If not, I'll be held responsible and "lynched" at this weekends PBIR race :spank: !
HD
I have been told to have patience :wtf: ! Only doctors have patients :sleeping2: , I have none :ahhh: and I'm not going anywhere till I get the promised corrected and updated points!
HD
Hopefully tomorrow! :banghead:
Quote from: hdpromos on May 24, 2012, 07:58:19 PM
I have been told to have patience :wtf: ! Only doctors have patients :sleeping2: , I have none :ahhh:
:thumb: :cheers: :thumb:
I got um :cheers: ! Florida points will be at PBIR tech. They should be going up here soon.
Quote from: hdpromos on May 25, 2012, 04:28:47 PM
I got um :cheers: ! Florida points will be at PBIR tech. They should be going up here soon.
awesome..! better late than never i guess :)
Quote from: MELK-MAN on May 25, 2012, 06:39:13 PM
awesome..! better late than never i guess :)
Nice Job Melk-Man!!..........Points are up!!
I don't know why everyone is so shocked. I have been hearing the same excuses for over 20 years. Best thing I ever did was go somewhere else this year. I do travel a little more but it's well worth it. Points within 1 to 2 days, customer service, contingency done instantaneously, the list is long. Carry on people.
Quote from: steve p on May 29, 2012, 09:26:12 PM
I don't know why everyone is so shocked. I have been hearing the same excuses for over 20 years. Best thing I ever did was go somewhere else this year. I do travel a little more but it's well worth it. Points within 1 to 2 days, customer service, contingency done instantaneously, the list is long. Carry on people.
.. don't you worry.. we will! ::)
Quote from: MELK-MAN on May 30, 2012, 01:09:39 AM
.. don't you worry.. we will! ::)
Yeh.....What Melk said!!
It would appear that at least two of my races that I checked on http://www.motolaptimes.com/ have incorrect results published.
I sent an email to Kevin this morning. No reply yet.
I know they were having some issues with the TC and transponders which may delay the results from being "final", but with the issues we've been having this year with points and so on, I figured I would bring it up and remind everyone to check their results vs. what's posted.
5 podiums and I drop 5 points? I should've stayed home.
Quote from: leeroy996 on June 28, 2012, 03:10:10 PM
5 podiums and I drop 5 points? I should've stayed home.
it's a new handicapping system they are trying :)
Quote from: MELK-MAN on June 29, 2012, 11:06:10 AM
it's a new handicapping system they are trying :)
I made 115 points and went down 5 points overall. :banghead:
Lee, I earned 147 with 5 podiums from 5 races yet only received 5 points to my overall! This is horse doo!!!
Lee, stop riding backwards on the track.
Quote from: Wavrdr on June 29, 2012, 09:36:34 PM
Lee, I earned 147 with 5 podiums from 5 races yet only received 5 points to my overall! This is horse doo!!!
You stole my points Alan; gimme back my 5 points! :wah:
:pop: :spank: :banghead:
Oh shit, here we go again! :ahhh:
Are the points correct? Will anyone reply?
Quote from: leeroy996 on July 03, 2012, 10:35:13 AM
Will anyone reply?
This is an "unofficial forum". So, don't expect it.
The question might be, would anyone reply to emails or phone calls to official numbers and email addresses...
And maybe that's the way to get information out: state when you sent and email or called, and when you received a reply with the data...