Good Ninja 250 turn out last week end. Congrats to James Lubrano for winning It. It was a battle until the end. Here are the top four. 1st James Lubrano, 2nd Miguel Chirino, 3rd Paul Vance, 4th Vaughn Ali
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Glad to see a good turn out. How close was the racing ? How about the split between the experts and the amateurs? Did anyone take advantage of the new rules concerning performance upgrades and if so what was the effect? I'm just trying to get a feel for how the class might take shape.
I raced and had a blast. Thank you Miguel and others for leading the effort to get this class going. I know you guys want a spec-class event so I hope you don't mind me running once in a while on an old 350 Honda. Not many places to ride the old girl anymore. Let's get the grid numbers up, then worry about the rest.
Jason
My wife was in that race and had a blast. The race up front was really close and James ended up taking the win by a very slight margin. I am going to buy one for the next race and hope some more join in. Most guys seem to be running stock bikes with nothing done to them so they are all really close. Hopefully enough people show so they will split the Am and Ex classes instead of running them combined. I know the bikes are close but racing a spec class combining Am and Ex does not seem fair to the Am racers. They should start on the same wave but split them for positions so the Am race against Am. Just my thoughts...
The issue is with not enough participation the extra cost of plaques cut into the profit margin and ability to pay for track rental, corner workers and the insurance that they provide.
When Ultralight Superbike was combined ex and Am my son ended third against some other experts
Mark
Quote from: majicMARKer on February 15, 2012, 05:32:58 PM
The issue is with not enough participation the extra cost of plaques cut into the profit margin and ability to pay for track rental, corner workers and the insurance that they provide.
When Ultralight Superbike was combined ex and Am my son ended third against some other experts
Mark
Seriously, you think the plaques are going to put them in the red?
Correction, fourth goes to Jennifer Johnson.
Jason, I am impressed with the 350. I did not expect that at all. Sorry about your motor.
Guys, Henry mentioned that he would consider dividing if grid sizes permit. Remember that the 125 GP has always been combined, I had to claw my way out of AM. I wonder if the Daytona ROC will be split? I know that the 125 Gp was in the past.
Looking forward to Round 2 at Roebling.
Hey guys I just wanted to call your attention to on on going thread in the Rules and Regs section of this forum. As pointed out by Bruce, there are new rules which completely change the class from what was initially advertised in the 2011 CCS press release.
If you are one of the riders who is interested in seeing an even playing field and affordable racing class, please chime in and provide your feed back. I believe that the new rules will kill the class as they allow modifications and unrestrict certain motorcycles from participating such as GP bikes.
https://www.ccsforum.com/index.php?topic=26218.0.html (https://www.ccsforum.com/index.php?topic=26218.0.html)
Thanks!
Quote from: steve p on February 15, 2012, 06:03:24 PM
Seriously, you think the plaques are going to put them in the red?
Does it out them in the red ? No. Does it cut into profit for when the money is really needed? Yes, at times. If you have ever owned your own business you will never want to just break even. You cut the things that just aren't making profit or low profit and make more doing less.
For me, I have decoded to sponsor the very limited Premier Vintage Series in Florida purchasing the regional trophy for whomever wins.
Mark
Miguel, You may be the representing voice of the mass, as long as you can get a big enough mass. Reminds me of when Formula 40 first was split between Formula forty and LW F40.
Mark
Quote from: majicMARKer on February 16, 2012, 06:59:34 PM
Does it out them in the red ? No. Does it cut into profit for when the money is really needed? Yes, at times. If you have ever owned your own business you will never want to just break even. You cut the things that just aren't making profit or low profit and make more doing less.
For me, I have decoded to sponsor the very limited Premier Vintage Series in Florida purchasing the regional trophy for whomever wins.
Mark
Mark, I completely agree. I have and do own and run a business. Cut the stuff that isn't making money. Trim down so to speak. There is plenty CCS can do to slim down. All a business minded person has to do is walk through the pits and hit timing and scoring and you can probably pick out 5 or six things that would off set the 3 extra plaques. Like I said, I'm all for this class, I hope it succeeds. Even though I don't run in it.
Fair enough guys. I've owned my own business for 7 years now, and I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. Go back to the 2011 rules for the Florida region only, if that's possible, and I'll pre-register for the last 9 events, even though I won't be able to make all of the rounds. Check will go out tomorrow. $495 surely pays for (9x3) 27 trophies, right? $18 each?
Again, we're gridded on the back of two existing races, so additional time isn't an issue, unless you consider how slow we are getting around the track... :lmao:
Track rental and insurance based on amount of riders? I don't know the first thing about it, so I'm asking a genuine question, not being a smart ass.
Quote from: bruce71198 on February 15, 2012, 09:09:14 AM
Glad to see a good turn out. How close was the racing ? How about the split between the experts and the amateurs? Did anyone take advantage of the new rules concerning performance upgrades and if so what was the effect? I'm just trying to get a feel for how the class might take shape.
There were 2 experts in the race, and both turned 1:56's. They actually rubbed paint in T3 it was so close. Of the 3 amateurs, two of us turned high 1;59's and I believe the 3rd (Jennifer) was very close to the 2:00 mark. My bike (3rd place and novice) definitely had an advantage over the other two novice bikes. I know Vaughn's was bone stock, where mine is jetted and piped. I also weigh about 20 lbs less than Vaughn. I was able to pull him on the front and back straights and he could outbreak me to catch back up. I think the combination of weight and the pipe/jetting was the difference but the lap times between us were 1:59.85 to 1:59:9 so it wasn't much of an advantage as far as lap times. Of the 2 experts, James' was pretty much bone stock and Miguel I believe has a pipe and jetting.
Oh, and the 350 walked all over us until his motor blew. :)
Steve, I too hope that this class succeeds as Miguel can attest to me giving some suggestions trackside to help with attendance. I think for the most part there will be that gentleman's agreement when it comes to the rules and what is done on the individual bike. As far as the CB350, it is an old bike and will probably break more than the newer 250, plus the new suspension bits are better than what you can find for the CB350.
What I am not sure about in the rules is it is under the scope of Thunderbike. It leads me to believe that GP bikes are exempt from the production model. Reading into the rules it seems that the Moriwaki, Honda motored bike would be eligible. That wouldn't make sense and I hope it isn't so.
Spec class, then a supersport, or Superstock would be appropriate. i think though the Ultralight Supersport should be the SV and Duc800 like bikes because there are still many of the SV still racing. Supersport allows more to be done than Superstock(completely stock). So I would label it Ultralight Superstock for the spec class. just now for the participation to make it so. Say, 20 bikes on the grid. there will always be someone to race with.
Mark
What do tires cost for the ninjettes?
A set of Bridgestones are about $250.00.
Question: realizing (now) that the podium would/could be made up of experts and amateurs, are they also then pointed that way? Or are ex/am points seperated?
I am assuming this is a Sportsman class since it is under Thunderbike rules in it's current iteration. In the past Ex and Am were granted points as whatever they are but equally within the class.
Mark