did you notice the usage of blue flags? Did you think it helped?
I was leading MWSS on the last lap, then I was passed going down the hill. At the bottom of the hill in 17, I was right on his back and trying to draft pass at the finish. There were one racer who was being lapped by us. The blue flag was shown, and the lapper kinda froze and slowed down. I almost hit him (I think we touched) because the difference in speed was quite a bit and he didn't keep going where he was going, instead just kind of stopped his progress.
I wish they explained more how the blue flag will be used, and what is expected of someone who is being passed at the riders meeting. But everyone started leaving when the flags were being explained, and no one really could hear what the official was saying about the flags. that was EMBARASSING to the new racers...
Blue flags help some people and hurt others. Unfortunately everyone is different and there will be no universal cure. My thought on teh subject if figure out your normal lap times and the normal lap times of the leaders. If there is a big enough difference you will get lapped. You will also know on apprxoimately which lap it will happen. My suggestion it to run the race like you want until that lap comes up. Once you get to the point that you "should" be lapped, see how smooth of lines you can take. Don't be overly aggressive on the brakes or gas and try to nail your apexes and lines. This will make you slightly more predictable and give you some extra margin for error should a close call occur.
My advice, if you are a lappee, in addition to what litespeed said, is to make sure you leave room in every corner..on both sides.
There is no reason to go outside edge to clipping the apex to outside edge if you are running at a pace that much slower as to be lapped. Leave a bike on both sides. In fact, in using the entire track you are using the width of the track as a crutch to reduce the lean angle you should be trying to learn.
According to the rule book...
4.3 COURTESY FLAGS:
4.3.1 White Flag at Starter Position - indicates final lap.
4.3.2 White & Green Flags Crossed at Starter Position - indicates completion of ½ race distance.
4.3.3 Blue Flag indicates to rider he is about to be lapped or passed by significantly faster traffic. This courtesy is merely a warning that a faster rider, or riders, are approaching, and to maintain your normal racing line.
The person that was shown the blue flag may have known what to do, but it having it happen in a race environment is another matter. It's human nature to make mistakes and perhaps someone needs to go up to that person and simply remind them to hold their line, steady on the gas and no sudden moves. The leaders will move around you.
Dawn
As a slowbie who has been passed numerous times by the fast guys, this is my advice: Don't change your speed, don't change your line, be as predictable as possible.
When I started racing, I asked the fast guys what they wanted me to do, and this was the advice they gave me. I've been split by front runners dicing for position in critical turns. You can hear them coming, Blue flags will give you a hint that they're near. If you hold to the normal race line, they will not only pass you, but do so safely and then thank you afterwards for not standing it up and ruining everyone's day.
Well my competitor passed him on the outside, and I was planning the inside. After he saw the flag, he stood it up, slowed down and moved to the inside where I was going to pass him. He slowed down and didn't keep his line. I touched him on the inside, and the 3rd place guy almost hit both of us from behind because he was planning on drafting me.
I was just glad I didn't ruin his day by running into him and run him off the track. Its the first time I led for such a long time, and its the first time I had a chance to win, I didn't want to give up after being passed and I was going to get him back.
I don't know if the flag had helped, I think he saw the flag and didn't know what to do. And then when he was passed on the outside he might have actively thought that people were going to pass him on the outside and didn't focus on keeping his line, instead wanted to give room on the outside.
I think it would be beneficial if they announced blue flag, and to suggest if anyone sees the blue flag, stay in the middle of the track and leave room on both sides. And to remind them they could be passed by more than 1 person at a time. getting in the middle of a battle for lead at 15 mph slower could be ugly.
I don't blame the guy, I just feel glad that we didn't crash and go down, and ruining everyone's day. It may have costed me a win, but we all go home safely, and he will come back to race another day hopefully. I didn't catch his number, but I would like to tell him what we expect when we pass him, the next time he sees the flag. It was a little dangerous, and I am sure it scared him a bit...
Thoughts from the slow lane:
I agree with Alexa and Litespeed. As a slower rider, when the blue flag comes out, my "job" is to DO NOTHING DIFFERENT! Personally, I'd like to see the blue flag done away with altogether.
I've found that the faster riders will be much happier if you ignore their presence when they go blasting by than if you change your line in an attempt to "accomodate" faster traffic. If "staying in the middle of the track" is a deviation from your normal line, then DON'T DO IT because the fast guys will not be expecting it.
In riders scholl we teach students to do nothing different when they see the blue flag. It is not their obligation to get out of the way. It is the over taking riders responsibility to make a safe pass. When I am lapping a rider I prefer that they keep doing what they have been doing, rather than suddenly change when they see the blue flag. Telling riders to take some sort of action when seeing the blue flag will only lead to problems. The reason the blue flag is shown is to let the rider know that the next person trying to pass is not for position and to mentally prepare for being overtaken at possibly a large speed difference.
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take the blue flags and throw them away as they generally make things worse
if the rider isn't supposed to do anything different when they see a blue flag...why show it in the first place
all the flag does is break the riders concentration and cause a distraction
also a lot of the corner workers are not very adept in the use of the blue flag ???
As a fairly new racer the blue flag spooked me. I was hard on the brakes entering turn one at VIR and the corner worker pointed the flag at me and waved it. For the first half second my mind went into stall mode. I thought I had a mechanical problem then the blue registered. I held my normal line, same as I would have done without the flag. I knew by lap times I would be getting lapped and was prepared. To me it is a distraction :-/
Blue flag or not if you are slower just hold your line. Did I forget to mention hold your line. The problem I had @ BFR was a couple of guys saw a yellow flag and decided to chop the throttle and stand it up. The first time it occuredI just missed kiss'n his rear tire by inches.
Well if a yellow flag is a distraction as much as a blue flag, then maybe we should throw them all away.
Obviously, this is a stupid statement. Flags are there for a very good reason, to tell the riders what's up, be it debris, an accident, or to tell a slower rider that faster traffic is coming. I think that blue flags are useful when deployed properly and when riders know that they are advisory. I know the blue flag and I know how to respond. As Brian stated, the schools and race director here (MW) do a good job of making students aware of this.
If there were experienced racers walking away from a riders meeting that ended by going over flagging, shame on you. Stay and show some respect to the race director and assist in answering any questions the newbies might have. The veteran guys are setting an example for those racers new to the sport. Yeah it might be boring and take 5 minutes of your time, but then again, that just might be enough to set one rider straight, and that rider might be in front of you the next race. Be part of the solution. Taking away a valuable communication just doesn't make sense to me.
Passing is and always will be an "art". It's the art of seeing through another rider, and predicting where he/she will go at a given moment.
Personally, I always try to watch 1-2 corners before I pass just to make sure of consistency in lines. If you have a substantial speed difference, sometimes you just have to chance it and hope for the best. This was the case last year at BHF when I tried passing two lappers through turn the slight left that follows the carousel (before the bus-stop). I made it around one lapper, but the other closed off the corner. I was going a good 20-30 mph faster, and had nowhere to go but over the grass. With the lip of the track, I took air and passed this guy while about 12" off the ground.
I figured he'd come over to beat me to a pulp, but as I apologized, he congratulated me on my super move. He said it was "just like a video game"...
QuoteIf there were experienced racers walking away from a riders meeting that ended by going over flagging, shame on you. Stay and show some respect to the race director and assist in answering any questions the newbies might have. The veteran guys are setting an example for those racers new to the sport. Yeah it might be boring and take 5 minutes of your time, but then again, that just might be enough to set one rider straight, and that rider might be in front of you the next race. Be part of the solution. Taking away a valuable communication just doesn't make sense to me.
this sunday at VIR, when they started to go over flags, every scooter/bike/mini bike that had been ridden to the riders meeting was started and ridden away by experienced racers. I know the flags, but I wanted to stay until the end of the meeting. however, I missed EVERYTHING the race director was saying because the leaving vehicles. NOTHING. It was a shame, and looked so bad infront of the new racers. they could not hear anything either...
I was going to stay out of this, but what the heck. I grew up in the dirt, as you all know, and am not only used to the blue flags, am a fan of them. I was generally one of the faster riders, and even under the age of 10, the other kids knew to stay smooth and prepare to be passed by a faster rider. I never realized it was that complicated. Simple...blue flag=don't panic and prepare to get passed. If you are in the back of the pack, it's the last lap, and you are on a straight...maybe peek back and see if you can get out of the way of what might be a battle for the lead, but ONLY if it's convenient for all. Otherwise...act like you never saw it and ride your own race...they'll get around you. If an expert loses a race because of a back-marker...that means another expert chose a better line by them...and that's racing...IMHO. As far as the rider meetings go...I think it should be a fine if you miss it or leave early. Even Nascrap drivers that make millions of dollars and have raced for 30+ years get fined for missing a drivers meeting. I was at Moroso and observed Michael Barnes, top privateer in the Daytona 200, and Formula USA champ, not only get to the meeting a few minutes early, but stay for the entire thing. If a rider of that caliber stays, it must be a good idea to stay. Again...IMHO.
Quotethis sunday at VIR, when they started to go over flags, every scooter/bike/mini bike that had been ridden to the riders meeting was started and ridden away by experienced racers. I know the flags, but I wanted to stay until the end of the meeting. however, I missed EVERYTHING the race director was saying because the leaving vehicles. NOTHING. It was a shame, and looked so bad infront of the new racers. they could not hear anything either...
The reason that many people left was due to the fact that the race director said something to the effect that most of the people here already know the flags and this is mainly for the new racers. In my eyes it was a mistake for the race director to imply that the experienced racers didn't need to stick around. This was the first time I've ever seen riders leave a meeting before it was over. They all left because of what the race director said! I also thought it was a bad idea to hold a riders meeting on the hot pit while there was a riders school on the track. I couldn't hear half of what was said on Saturday with all the bikes going past at full speed on the front straight! Having said that I also think it was rude the way people left the meeting on Sunday even though the race director implied you could leave if you already know the flags.
Hey, could someone please tell me how to properly quote another post. I can't figure out how to do the highlighted quote thingy like everyone else does.
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At the last BHF it was stated by the race director that if you do not show up for the rider's meeting or have a representative there, they may fine you or prohibit you from participating in some way.
Dawn
Yes, that is one thing I did hear at the meeting on Saturday while the bikes were racing by on the front straight. They are going to start doing random role calls and will fine riders that aren't at the meeting. I think they said $25.00 or something like that. If they start to fine no-shows for the meetings maybe we will get the transponders a little sooner!
QuoteYes, that is one thing I did hear at the meeting on Saturday while the bikes were racing by on the front straight.
A rider's meeting while bikes are still on the track? I don't get it. Aren't the riders on the track supposed to be at the meeting?
At BHF the rider's meeting is on the front straight.
Dawn :)
Yeah...I didn't get that either. Especially since it was a school on the track. Shouldn't they be the ones that need the meeting the most? We have ours after morning practice on Sunday before the first race, usually near tech or race control.
We have a meeting on Saturday after practice, before the races start, and also on Sunday before the races. This is the first time that I can remember that the meeting was held while people were on the track. I don't know why it was done like that.
I think that BLUE flages are a good tool to prevent a slower rider from maybe getting hurt ,if he or she is the first person to get be put alap down.what i mean by getting hurt is by to help the "slower rider" to be alert that something is about to happen.(previded the WORKER and the RIDER understand how to use it and how to respond to it. ;)
During my first weekend at BHF, I got the blue flag a few times. Not a lot, but I did see it several times. I was glad to get it, because I knew what was coming. I had heard SO much about holding your line that I didn't even have to think about not moving. I saw the flag, and thought, "OK, Ed's gonna come around me soon." Or, that I was gonna be lapped by someone else, etc. Didn't bother me at all. I saw it, comprehended it, and kept going the way I was. Didn't have anyone come to me later complaining, so I think I did an OK job holding my lines. In fact, I had a fast Am come by and apologize for passing me the way he did during a race, because he didn't realize I was a newbie. I know he passed me, but it wasn't a pass that shook me up at all. Funny. There WAS one pass that was made unnecessarily close to me all weekend, and that was by a certain Expert on Friday. So, overall, I was happy to get the comfort cushion most fast guys gave me, and I was glad to get the blue flag, but didn't change a thing when I got it.
ok, i'll chime in, (ding)
please forgive me, because while i see that the blue flag helps...
i am also very against the blue flag, and i do vote to throw it out....
yes, im a second year racer, very new, and not trying to influence anyones thought, just voicing mine.
ive been lapped and ive lapped. as a logical thinker (me) ::)
You all say " when i show you this flag, dont do anything different"
Q: why show it, then ?
You say, "the faster rider is better, and should/will get around, AND is responsible for passing safely"
"if the leader gets held up by a laper and loses 1st place, thats just racing"
and everyone knows that riders in the back are trying to focus, or SHOULD be trying to focus on their line, and hitting each turn better and better, AND i am extremely surprised, actually, that the "spook", or panic from the blue flag has not caused more sittuatins than it has...
so, in all, i see the good in it, but i think it's not worth it, JUST OPINION !!!
forty
THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT I"M TALKING ABOUT! nice work!! ;)
that last one went to Nate R.
so if some faster bikes fly into a turn under you with no warring that will not bother you or catch you off gaurd at all? :o
Ike
The blue flag keeps them from getting spooked when a rider comes by at 30+ mph faster and then they jump and stand it up and hit the next fast guy through. It is supposed to be a warning that another bike is gonna come by really soon, and a lot faster than you. If you are getting lapped in a sprint race, they have to be going a lot faster than you, agreed? I got spooked into turn 1 at Homestead in practice my first day by two experts that thought they were funny and split me at mach 6. Although it didn't cause any incidents, I'm sure I was startled and the possibility was there for a mistake. If there had been a blue flag in a race situation, I would not have been surprised like that. By the way, they did it on purpose because of the orange shirt...kind of a welcome to racing deal. And yes, I remember who they were...lol. Paybacks baby!
Just my .02 again.
a good way to help you have track time with out the stress of all the flags and only 8 or 6 laps to try to learn new lines around the track or may take time to play with around with new set-ups on your bike,is to do all the track days and or schools like (VRS) on thursdays or firdays as you can.I know that it helps take my mind off all the small things that you shouldn't stress about on race day. ;D
All true,
guys, im not really arguing the helpfulness of the blue, i just happen to think that if you school someone on it, DONT say "keep doin what you're doin"
say, "give room on the inside, but dont go all the way to the outside"
if you say "dont change a thing when i show you this flag" then it sounds like you dont need to show it.
but me, if you come under me, i should hope theres room for it, i dont think any of us are easily shaken (to be a racer) so no it doesnt bother me, or didnt; fyi kevin and tez buzzed me last season in a gt and i was in the wood!
i didnt see the blue, but i saw kevin under me (pretty close too) i gave him room..... he appologized cuz it was close, but i told him that there was room for us both and no problem, i was happy to be racing that close ;D.... call me sick...
its a good warning, but when i saw it this season, lapping someone, it actually took my attention.... i just think it startles moreso than warns you, especialy a new guy..
On the small tracks here in the SW and with combined events (ex and am at the same time for most races) the blue flag may as well just be put out at lap 4 and left there for the duration.
Ok a bit of a tangent here, but I'm having a frustrating day so what the h&ll.
This issue, as well as the VIR gate issue and the transponder issue, wouldn't these all be best addressed at the track with a CCS representative? Rider meetings are all well and good, and they shouldn't change them, but they're held just before racing starts, addressing primarily race related issues, and most people are itching to get back to the pit and focus on racing. Wouldn't a meeting after racing on Saturday help to get some other issues addressed, as they happen, instead of the venting that often goes on here after the weekend is over and people get a chance to stew a bit?
For example: You practice Friday, and you see an issue crop up, but it's practice, so you let it slide. Saturday, you race, and you notice that this issue is now a problem. At the Saturday "debriefing" after the races are done, you have an opportunity to bring up the problem, others can voice their opinion, the race director has the night to come up with a solution or an answer that is addressed at Sunday's rider meeting. It might take a bit more of everyone's time, and of course not everyone would be present, but it could be worth a shot at getting some stuff resolved sooner rather than later or not at all.
And no, this wouldn't fix everything, but I guess I keep reading all these complaints, with no real solutions that CCS seems interested in persuing. This one could be implemented by the race director, so if nothing else, racers could have somewhere other than fellow racers to turn to for answers. Part of my frustration comes from the fact that I addressed this communication issue directly with Mr. Elliott in a couple of emails back in February, and things are back to business as usual. However, Roger did finally get his certificate from 2 years ago in the mail last week, so I guess that's progress.
im sorry Alexa.....
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QuoteOk a bit of a tangent here, but I'm having a frustrating day so what the h&ll.
This issue, as well as the VIR gate issue and the transponder issue, wouldn't these all be best addressed at the track with a CCS representative? Rider meetings are all well and good, and they shouldn't change them, but they're held just before racing starts, addressing primarily race related issues, and most people are itching to get back to the pit and focus on racing. Wouldn't a meeting after racing on Saturday help to get some other issues addressed, as they happen, instead of the venting that often goes on here after the weekend is over and people get a chance to stew a bit?
For example: You practice Friday, and you see an issue crop up, but it's practice, so you let it slide. Saturday, you race, and you notice that this issue is now a problem. At the Saturday "debriefing" after the races are done, you have an opportunity to bring up the problem, others can voice their opinion, the race director has the night to come up with a solution or an answer that is addressed at Sunday's rider meeting. It might take a bit more of everyone's time, and of course not everyone would be present, but it could be worth a shot at getting some stuff resolved sooner rather than later or not at all.
And no, this wouldn't fix everything, but I guess I keep reading all these complaints, with no real solutions that CCS seems interested in persuing. This one could be implemented by the race director, so if nothing else, racers could have somewhere other than fellow racers to turn to for answers. Part of my frustration comes from the fact that I addressed this communication issue directly with Mr. Elliott in a couple of emails back in February, and things are back to business as usual. However, Roger did finally get his certificate from 2 years ago in the mail last week, so I guess that's progress.
I did bring it up to officials at the track. The answer was "write an email to VIR and tell them" and also to "make noise" (not exact quote), so that is what I am doing, to voice my opinions and see if others agree.
besides, on the gate issue, I offered my solutions.
On blue flags, I just want to know what others thought, before I bring it up in the next riders meeting.
On Transponders, I want to not pay the $5 and buy my own transponder. They can rent to whoever they want, they can offer that option.
And if I see a transponder given to me, I wouldn't complain anyway.
Thanx, Dave. :D (Ebben, that is)
Quoteim sorry Alexa.....
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Was that an Ike kind of hug? Thanks bro! :D
How many times have they ask at the end of the riders meeting; "Do we need to go over the flags?" Everyone says no, and boogies. :-/ Oh, and I like the blue flags. I don't do anything different, it's just nice to know that Kevin Gordon's just about to slap you on the butt as he laps you. :o ;D
QuoteWas that an Ike kind of hug? Thanks bro! :D
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I was attending a Team Suzuki Endurance school at R.A. in '96 and had an unfortunate accident involving a street squid. That school had 60 riders (54 street squids and 6 licenced racers) and was an opportunity to get extra track time and learn something in the process. The 6 of us racers in the school were told we could only pass on the outside of the street guys. Going into turn 8 I was closing the gap on a street guy fairly fast and figured I would pass him on the outside at the exit of the turn. Everything went well until the guy practically parked the thing in the middle of the turn and made an abrupt move toward the outside of the track as I approached on fire. I could have passed him on the inside very easily had I been allowed to, but instead commited to the outside line which now did not exist. I avoided hitting him by braking so hard that I ended up high-sided over the handlebars. He apparently was trying to run the 'perfect line' and made the sudden move to the outside, totally oblivious to my approach because a blue flag was not displayed.
I personally like blue flags and have been both the cause of them and the one recieving it in the past. As far as changing my line, I don't personally, but I do try and run an overly predictable line.
QuoteMy advice, if you are a lappee, in addition to what litespeed said, is to make sure you leave room in every corner..on both sides.
There is no reason to go outside edge to clipping the apex to outside edge if you are running at a pace that much slower as to be lapped. Leave a bike on both sides. In fact, in using the entire track you are using the width of the track as a crutch to reduce the lean angle you should be trying to learn.
When I'm moving through traffic, I've picked out where I want to go. When the rider makes adjustment to "attempt" to accomodate me, we're both screwed.
Lapee leaves room at the apex which now allows his line to end up wider at the exit. He has to back off because he's gonna run off the track...closing speed becomes greater.
Lapee leaves room on the outside going in. Doesn't help unless I'm going by on the brakes early; I'll pass him on the inside as it's the safest for me in that I won't get taken out by him getting spooked. Additionally, a substantially slower rider will usually apex a corner too early because of inexperience or bike set up problems.
Lapees should do what they should do.... CONCENTRATE ON THEIR OWN RIDING. Screw me, the guy doing the lapping. It is my responsibility to get around.
At Blackhawk, they were using the Blue Flag during practice. I got through traffic and they were still giving it...um, no one was passing me...
Now I'll really shake up some stuff...
Ok, I've been doing this quite a while.
What has changed over the years is that years ago all the "racers" were "racers". Were were pretty hard core motorcycle road racers that ate and slept road racing. Race, race, race.
Now, there are many more "recreational" road racers that race more occasionally. Here and there, this track or that. They don't have the regular exposure to the speed and conditions of all out competition. They don't have the feel or comfort in their machinery or ability.
In the eighty's we used to do a lot of endurance racing. Six and eight hour events. There were bikes that you would lap every four laps, but you didn't have the problems that you do now with riders maintaining some kind of a line.
Now, lets add the problem of diminishing practice opportunities. How about shortened and combined races? It all adds up.
Nate, not sure who got close to you. You'll get used to it. Unfortunately, as your speed on the track increases, your line will probably change. So, your line and the faster rider's line just came close together at some point. Contact can happen in motorcycle road racing. It is fully exected at the upper levels. In Unlimited GP, I've put my elbow on boots of riders next to me. I'd love to have more space, but, sometimes, you have to deal with the space you have.
Lappers are great. They can level the playing field in allowing me to catch up to the guy(s) (non-gender specific) in front of me.
Waving yellow's are also the "catch-up" flag :-)
SD: It was Baker. #25.
The issue I had with it was that it was a practice, it was Friday, and thus it was both cold and relatively wet/damp. But, the bigger issue was me not being used to it. I mean, if it happened on sunday when it was dry and when I was more comfortable, I wouldn't batted an eye. It just really shook me up at the time because I thought I would be given more room in the Friday Practice when it was damp, etc. But, I don't mind that at ALL in a race situation. I LOVE close racing in bicycles, and I can't wait to do it on Motorcycles. I'm not mad about it or anything, but it bothered me at the time, and I was a little annoyed.
Nate, I'm probably chalk that incident up to first weekend exuberance. I've talked to alot of people who will say after practice "man, I forgot it was practice, I hope I didn't spook that guy too bad". Of course, then there are others who don't care, track time is track time. Fun of racing: you get to deal with it all. ;)
At least go say something to the guy you spooked, especially if he's new, after practice if it happens, though.
Nate,
Sorry, if I spooked you. I trully did not even know or remember anything like that. I have respect for everyone on the track and most times I am overly respectfull of the other riders, bikes, power and equipment. Yes, I know how it feels and its not fun. Again, sorry and If I was aware of the incident I would have come over and talked to you. Feel free to come over anytime and talk to me at RA the door is always open, except durring races, Ha, Ha.
Baker ;D
Good reply...need more riders that will admit if they did something a bit out of the way, even if they don't remember it. :)
Baker can't even rember his own name half of the time! ???ha ha ha....you slinger, you.....
QuoteBaker can't even rember his own name half of the time! ???ha ha ha....you slinger, you.....
LOL! DOH!
Oyster, ya thats about right. I think I even got a talk'n to for doing an extra lap after the checkered flag durring practice, I never even saw it!!!! Ha,
Baker ;D
Ps, Rosno and I have gone through lots of turns together with elbows on legs and arms on arms, It really is fun better than riding by your self. You just need to trust the guy I guess.
Quoteand I have gone through lots of turns together with elbows on legs and arms on arms, It really is fun better than riding by your self. You just need to trust the guy I guess.
Gee, next time just ask him for a date. ;) :D ;D
QuotePs, Rosno and I have gone through lots of turns together with elbows on legs and arms on arms, It really is fun better than riding by your self. You just need to trust the guy I guess.
See, I'm looking forward to doing that, it was just a tad early for me on Friday.
Baker: It was between 2 and 3, I was probably goin real slow through 2, and I think you came around me just past the exit, on my left side. No big deal, I was just spooked at the time. 8) Thanx for apologizing, but don't worry about it in the future, because I'm used to it now. ;D
And, as far as Alexa's comment goes, as long as no one pinches my butt as they go by (except maybe Jen in the future ;) :-*) I'm all for elbows and knees, legs, etc. Hey! Let's play twister! :D
Hmm, everyone's in a good mood today! :)
Its not like that any more, Dave does not even give me the chance he crashes his bike on the warm-up lap.
LOL. ha, ha ;D
Baker
Nate, it's not the butt pinching you have to watch out for, it's the slapping at your cut off switch, on the front straight, dicing for the lead. :o
You just wish you could crash as cool as I did.
And I didn't hear anyone complaining about getting two warm up laps because of if. I should have a cut of everyones purse!
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Ya'll have issues...lol.
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I think it's the cold weather...
Shrinkage and we all wear Man-ziers...
QuoteAnd, as far as Alexa's comment goes, as long as no one pinches my butt as they go by (except maybe Jen in the future ;) :-*) I'm all for elbows and knees, legs, etc. Hey! Let's play twister! :D
or as long as Ike doesnt head-butt ya in the ... ::)
i'm just kiddin Ike, had to say it man. you know i luv your crazy 1950's old-school style ;) :D
-jen
QuoteI think it's the cold weather...
Shrinkage and we all wear Man-ziers...
umm... not all of us have those problems up here.... (at least not the women) ;) ::) maybe that's just you super dave, lol... just kidding... :D 8)
dang i love being in a good mood... ;D
-jen
Hahahahahahahaha....shrinkage...hahahahaha....it's funny cuz it's SO TRUE...lol. :o
Well, i see that everyone is back from work,good to see ,i was getting bord.
I thought I'd throw in my opion, why not? ;) I saw the blue flag for the first time in the mock race, during school. I didn't know if it was for me or if it was for the guy in front of me.
I caught the flag out of the corner of my eye. I couldn't tell if the flag was just out or if he was pointing it at someone. I assume now it was for the guy I passed, but I was still prepared for someone coming from behind me, but I didn't do anything different, like we were told.
I guess I could go either way on the issue. Seems like it could be helpful, and other times it seems like it could cause confusion.
ay,
whats this "scccchrinkage" stuff ya'll talkin bout ???
sccchhhwing..........................
man! it was 80 degrees monday and tuesday !!!
yesterday and today ...... 45 ???
schhhhhh*t
It was 87 here today...lol....probably mid 80's the rest of the week...hehehe. :)
oh yeah? well it was in the mid 80's on monday and tuesday up here.....
and now it's back down to the 40's.....
wisconsin weather.... ya gotta love it....
-jen
Hey Jen...is your Avatar the rabbit from Monty Python and the Holy Grail? ;D
LOL! The rabbit!
I think that rabbit is one of the pre-made ones you can get through the board.
QuoteHey Jen...is your Avatar the rabbit from Monty Python and the Holy Grail? ;D
One, two, FIVE!
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"Is it an African Swallow, or a European Swallow?"
;D
"Of course we are French! Why do you think we have this silly accent!"
ike...er..i mean Chef,
what you got aint shrinkage.....it's called
turtle power from all them G-forces going
round them corners sooo fast!!!
benj.
Quote"Of course we are French! Why do you think we have this silly accent!"
Your mother smelt of eldeberries. Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time-a.
"we want.... a shruberry"...
i like "Flying Circus" better.... darn those cross-dressing lumberjacks....
-jen
"Bring out yer dead....bring out yer dead"..."But I feel fine!"
The Larch...
"Oh, I'm a lumberjack, and I'm ok. I sleep all night, and I work all day."
"Chop down trees, I skip and jump, I go to the lavatory..."
"Have at you......I cut your arm off..no you didn't, its only a flesh wound..." ;D
I don't remember, was the witch really made of wood? ???
And... "Wink wink, nudge nudge, know what I mean? Say no more." ;)
Quoteike...er..i mean Chef,
what you got aint shrinkage.....it's called
turtle power from all them G-forces going
round them corners sooo fast!!!
benj.
AAHHHH....!!!
is that what it is ???
my middle name is Raphael, im a teenage mutant ninja, ok.. im a mutant ninja..
benj,
can you like, not make me fall tryin to keep up with you next time, and like work with me in some kinda way so the WINS are slit a lil more even like ???
and i havent figured it yet, how you get bye bye me after i carried soo much speed thru the turn, <scratchin my noggin> you must have a turbo switch, and you push it once you get almost straightened up ??? no?
ahhhg...smokes seepin from my ears...
screw the holy grail, "the life of Brian" is the good one !!!
"Jahova... Jahova....."
remember biggus dickus ???
"But he does got a big nose!"
chef,
all i can say without being funny is
set-up set-up set-up.... i stole that line from
super dave. i seem to remember getting smoked
in the gtu by some crazy elbow scrapen mofo
on a gold bike veroom....where did he go???
you hero in a half shell you!!!
Benj.
Chef's thinking and we're a talkin'
You're both "the man"!
we are the knights that go
neep neep neep
thanks super dave....i think?
no no no you da man you da man!!!
turtle power
and as for Mighty duck........you come up here and try
racing when it is 36 degrees outside i'll have jack
take some pictures of your shrinkage!!!!!!!!!
80's man wish i were in fla.
Benj. :'(
We'll have to make a special trip to Florida ;)
yes, Ike, i think you are right. Fla. maybe in
oct. ;) ;) maybe we show this Dundee some
good games eh Miguel!!!!!!!! he he he eh eh he!!!!!!!
Benj.
You mean there's places that the temperature drops below 40??? ;D
Actually, I did my very first track day at Jennings in January and it was in the upper 30's in the morning. My hands were numb after about three laps...I don't know how you guys do it. By the way, took the wife to Busch Gardens for her B-Day today..it was only like 86 degrees...lol. :P
Chef...I hope you guys plan on coming to ROC in October. We'll have to go find some Buffalo Shrimp somewhere....good stuff...mmmmmmm!
PORT ORANGE STEAK HOUSE...
That's the place I always frequent. Very, very good.
Ike, Benj...
I'll buy if you win at ROC. Goes for my other children too.
yer on SD .....medium well and big varedee beeg!!!
Mizzle Wizzle
in da Hizzle
Ah Jizzah
Benj.
hey Mighty, can i come too?
Benj.
QuoteMy advice, if you are a lappee, in addition to what litespeed said, is to make sure you leave room in every corner..on both sides.
There is no reason to go outside edge to clipping the apex to outside edge if you are running at a pace that much slower as to be lapped. Leave a bike on both sides. In fact, in using the entire track you are using the width of the track as a crutch to reduce the lean angle you should be trying to learn.
Ahhhh, C'mon now! It is much more exciting, especially in the pits after a race, when a newbie uses the whole bloody track. Not that I would know anything about that, mind you! ::)
btw, fwiw, why does NESBA teach us to hit our marks as though we were running at race pace even though we aren't? somebuddies gotta get their stories straight...
Oh, and I DIDN'T notice this was a 7 page post UNTIL I replied to diver's 1st page comment. probably way OFF-TOPIC by now...
Quoteyer on SD .....
Benj.
Count ME in !
(if i can get there, i was planin on tryin to win anyways :-/ ) ;D
Quotehey Mighty, can i come too?
Benj.
Hell yeah...now you just gotta get me in on that SD deal for the steaks. I think I might be able to put it to the AM LW guys on the banks on this thing. ;)
Whoa... you'll have to struggle against some of my children there too! ;D
So I'm out on the steak if I win? I would've taken your school if you didn't live in the frozen tundra...lol. I think I can get this thing to run 150+ at Daytona if I can get the gearing right. Now I just gotta figure out how to stay within 10 secs in the infied...lol!
You think it will pull that much mile an hour?
We could only go through the traps at about 149 on the CB750...
http://www.worldmotorcycles.com/Pages/daytona02p.html
That was the old track, before the recent changes. But the CB750 I rode makes serious HP and is really light.
QuoteWhoa... you'll have to struggle against some of my children there too! ;D
I guess that pretty much answers the question "Who's your daddy?". LOL ;) ;D
I hope it will Dave. I've never been there, though. It ran 150+ on the dyno geared really short. If it can pull the higher gear, it should be able to do it with my fat ass on it, I hope. 90 hp and 295 lbs...worst case should be upper 140's.
Well, a dyno doesn't mean a whole bunch. Every time you double your speed, the force that air that you must move through is squared.
The CB750 weight in at about 380 and made 115HP+.
We did a throretical thing on my H1, figuring 85HP and 300 pounds. It was drag limited to about 142 or so.
Hmmm. Well, as long as it's faster than an SV, I'm good. ;) ;D
There are some 85 to 100HP SV's out there.
And to put it in perspetive, you've still got to rain on the infield. Sure it's the worlds biggest dyno, but the 600 Supersport times are what, four seconds off Superbike? 200HP with slicks, $250,000 vs 120HP with DOT's, $25,000.
You didn't go in Spring?
A. Didn't feel like I was experienced enough yet, and B. Didn't want to blow up the motor...how ironic. That and the money factor. I can't wait to race there in October. If I noticed a pretty big speed advantage at Homestead, even over a few well built SV's, you don't think it will be exaggerated a little more at Daytona? Just curious. By the way, I haven't predetermined that I have the race locked up there just yet. ;) Hopefully by then I'll have some more time on the bike and be fast in the infield. We'll have to see.
You still have to have it sorted well enough so that you can get out of the infield, through the chicane, and really hold it open braking into one. There are tricks to it all also. Gotta be in the right spots.
Yeah, it should be quite a challenge for me. So far this year I've been riding by the seat of my pants. Had to learn Homestead Saturday afternoon, didn't get to race at Moroso after getting three practice sessions on Saturday, and I've been around Jennings for about three sessions, but I was so new at that point, I don't remember any of my shift counts, etc. That and at Jennings I think I was riding the bike through the corners about 3000 RPM's too high...lol. Did a lot more shifting than I needed to. Hopefully I'll be able to get some tips from the other racers at Daytona when I get there. That's been a big help to me so far this year. I probably drive a lot of the Experts and fast Amateurs crazy..lol.