i dont think its very fair that when something out of the ordinary happens that the racers who pay their fees have to be shorted laps in there races. i think something should be reorganized so this doesnt happen. maybe dont hold schools in between races so that we can keep the pace up. im all for guys hitting the schools, but i think that would be better served during the week. i hope a lot of guys speak up in here because i know they all were down at vir this weekend. at the very least we should get some sort of credit. i paid for a gt race, and only got 15 minutes, and not due to a red flag. just because the schedule tightened up. guys on sunday only got 6 lap gt races... come on guys cant we do something about this. of course no one can predict mother nature, and red flags, but better preperation before hand, and trying not to fit ten lbs of crap in a 5 lb. bag doesnt help either. thanks for reading.
:'(I agree with ya I was in the EX GTU and I think it was only 8 laps or some thing like that. I always go by start/finish and look for flags, The only one I was looking for was the halfway flag and the only one I saw was the white flag and I was like "wow that was fast, I guess I better speed up alittle". Yeah what the hell was that school thing? I thought they only did that sh-t on Fridays?
When I started racing CCS in 99, We got 3 15 min practice sessions. Now we are down to 2 12 min ones with the occasional 1 round of practice (usually announced during 2nd call). We never started racing until 11:30 back in 99. Now its starting at 10-11am. I think we only had 13 races on sunday before, now we have 16. Somethign happens during a race, and then everything gets behind.
Quote:'(I agree with ya I was in the EX GTU and I think it was only 8 laps or some thing like that. I always go by start/finish and look for flags, The only one I was looking for was the halfway flag and the only one I saw was the white flag and I was like "wow that was fast, I guess I better speed up alittle". Yeah what the hell was that school thing? I thought they only did that sh-t on Fridays?
whats your number dude, i was in that race too? got cut off at 9 laps. i was dissapointed, but i felt worse for the guys racing gt's on sunday with only 6 laps.
All the Florida GT's are 6 laps, and we run 20 races on Sunday.
I raced a GTU race last year at Blackhawk that was red flagged after 5 laps. They called it complete after about 5 mins. >:( (It was a combined race also! :o Big grid, experts and amateurs together :o :o Experts started lapping people 4 laps in!)
simple answer to why we now have 16 races... it's all about the $$$$ more races they have the more money they make and that is the bottom line... i'm glad i didn't enter any of them however that is not the only problem we have been paying for the transponders which are still not here. i called to tal kto them and see if maybe we could get a credit for the extra $5 per race tword our next event... left messages and all i got was that Kevin was swamped and could not talk. i will call again tomorrow and the next day and the next until i get an answer...we are paying for them..we should have them.... CCS does not pay to use a track and then get there and the gates are locked....so why should we have to pay for something and not get to use it... sorry for the long post but i'm venting...didn't have a good weekend at VIR and that just topped it off ;D
QuoteWhen I started racing CCS in 99, We got 3 15 min practice sessions. Now we are down to 2 12 min ones with the occasional 1 round of practice (usually announced during 2nd call). We never started racing until 11:30 back in 99. Now its starting at 10-11am. I think we only had 13 races on sunday before, now we have 16. Somethign happens during a race, and then everything gets behind.
And, several years ago at Blackhawk, if we got done with the races before 6PM, the track would open up for practice again.
Does seem like someone is trying to get out early at our expense. I will totally agree with the practice issue. I believe that it is a SAFETY ISSUE! With so little time to figure a bike out, guys are not properly prepared.
Quotesimple answer to why we now have 16 races... it's all about the $$$$ more races they have the more money they make and that is the bottom line... i'm glad i didn't enter any of them however that is not the only problem we have been paying for the transponders which are still not here. i called to tal kto them and see if maybe we could get a credit for the extra $5 per race tword our next event... left messages and all i got was that Kevin was swamped and could not talk. i will call again tomorrow and the next day and the next until i get an answer...we are paying for them..we should have them.... CCS does not pay to use a track and then get there and the gates are locked....so why should we have to pay for something and not get to use it... sorry for the long post but i'm venting...didn't have a good weekend at VIR and that just topped it off ;D
You may want to check out this thread. I'm sure you will get the same response verbally as I did in writing...
http://www.racemotorcycles.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?board=ccs1;action=display;num=1049174851;start=2
Sh#@ happens, get over it, lifes too short. ;D
Yeah i saw that but that was not how we were told it was going to be....they didn't say they were going to raise the price to pay for them then we get them...they were going to get them so we would have them then raise the price to cover what they already paid
QuoteYeah i saw that but that was not how we were told it was going to be....they didn't say they were going to raise the price to pay for them then we get them...they were going to get them so we would have them then raise the price to cover what they already paid
I think you're hitting that one on the head. That was my though too. In fact, the information that I was given was that we'd have them in the Midwest at all the races ASAP. It was a value added feature that was the extra $5 in entry fees. Seemed fair, until there was no timing set up.... >:(
That's because Tiff was gettting married that weekend. From what I've heard, they should have them soon. (Either at BHF in May, or RA in April)
Since tiff was getting married, they didnt have anyone to come up here to train people on using the timing.
We have had them for the last two races here in the SW. And we are supposed to be the region that is losing them all the money :-X.
I was told that we will NOT have them at RA. So, I don't think it's a Tiff problem, not that she's a problem.
Hope the wedding went well. And did Kevin Elliott cry when he gave her away?
Ahh. Well, maybe one of the May BHFs. :'(
Wll my point is...and i really don't care if we ever get them... all i am saying is that we are paying for them and do not have them... anyone who has spent money to enter a race should have that $5 per race as a credit to the next race they enter and either stop making us pay the extra until we have them on our bike or keep giving credit...and the simple and smart thing to do would be to stop the extra until we ALL have them then start it back.... right now we are just giving CCS extra money and getting nothing for it..that is unless they are going to give us that credit.
Kevin explained in another thread that it will take time to get enough equity to afford enough units for everyone. At the start of the year they said their plan was to have them in all regions by July. The choice was to charge us $5 per race or pay the entire amount up front. Using $5 per race means that it will take time to get all the equipment.
No that was not what we were told...had that been the case i would have rather paid up front and had my transponder rather than pay for something i am not getting to use... they told us that we would have them and that the price would go up for a while to cover THEM buying them...they didn't say we would have to pay for them and not have them...
QuoteNo that was not what we were told...had that been the case i would have rather paid up front and had my transponder rather than pay for something i am not getting to use... they told us that we would have them and that the price would go up for a while to cover THEM buying them...they didn't say we would have to pay for them and not have them...
That is a good point. I would much rather pay for my own transponder upfront and use it at my discretion. If I can't race anymore this season, I would have payed $100 so far in extra entry fees without ever seeing a transponder.
And in my case, I would have paid over $500 in extra entry fees for transponder use, which I am not using, and cost me MORE than buying one.
So the racer who patronize more (enter more races) are paying to cover the racers who race less? When we do get transponders, someone can pay $15 and use it for a weekend, and I have already paid $200 or more? it is not fair. I rather save the $5 in my entry fees and buy my own transponder. it will save me hundreds...
In my home region (MW) we discussed transponders at a couple riders meetings last year. We were told that the plan was to have all regions using transponders by the end of July. The up front cost would have been something like $400.
I believe there are 14 rounds in Mid-Atlantic. If I race 7 races per weekend, that would be 98 entries for the year, that would be $490 per year in extra entry fees. Plus I will use it to race next year as well. So instead of paying $400 up front and use it for a number of years, I will pay $1500 to use transponder for the next 3 years (providing that if I buy one it lasts that long).
I think I am getting a REAL bad deal here.
Plus the fact that I have been paying for a service that I have not yet received. I didn't replace my laptimer when it was broken because I thought I could get practice times from transponder. when is it coming?
besides, I registered for my races upfront anyway ??? So I have already paid over $500 in extra entry fees. Can I get a transponder to keep now??
i was at the last race at VIR last year and they did the same thing ., 6 lap GT races ., i pay $70 to race a GT that is 6 laps., and pay $35 for a 7 lap race !! they seem to really have a problem !! the red flags are for safty , but they need to learn to get people off the track better.., Loudon , NH has over 1000 people every weekend as opposed to the volume VIR had the times i am there !! and they never seem to have this problem., VIR seems to be a pretty rinkydink operation as far as i am concerned..
i always take safty first !! but if other places can do it ??!!!! i would just like to see it improve ., not just complain about it ., is there something we as the racers can do to make it wokr ?? other than just not crash ??!!!!
dave
Quotei was at the last race at VIR last year and they did the same thing ., 6 lap GT races ., i pay $70 to race a GT that is 6 laps., and pay $35 for a 7 lap race !! they seem to really have a problem !! the red flags are for safty , but they need to learn to get people off the track better.., Loudon , NH has over 1000 people every weekend as opposed to the volume VIR had the times i am there !! and they never seem to have this problem., VIR seems to be a pretty rinkydink operation as far as i am concerned..
i always take safty first !! but if other places can do it ??!!!! i would just like to see it improve ., not just complain about it ., is there something we as the racers can do to make it wokr ?? other than just not crash ??!!!!
dave
I have raced at VIR a total of 6 times, and I do not remember ever finishing a GT race there (well maybe one).
This past weekend, I had two races that were red flaged on the first lap and had to regrid, and 2 races that were red flagged and races cut short. Race strategies all out of the window, just go for broke when you can, or the race will be cut short and you don't get to race up front.
so I miss one practice on Sat because can't get in the track(see other thread), have 8 laps in GTU, 5 laps in GTO, 5 laps in ULGP, 2 laps in practice on Sat, and 6 lap sprints in all other races.
A lot of people crashed in AM GTU, I wonder if people didn't really know the track well and didn't get enough practice?
Well i again called Kevin today...and again no return call....you would think someone would at least let us know something...
I have an issue with the scooter races... That's like circus clown racing and it could be time used for our practice sessions.
Unfortunately, I personally think that entry fees cover...
1. A purse, if any.
2. Insurance and track rental
3. Other costs
So, although a GT race costs more, it does cover the purse. I suppose it covers one's right to receive points for the specific event race.
Scooters? Yeah, again loosing time. I would be different if the program fit into the day, like USPGRU, but they have specific practices and races. They have to be seperate. We loose time.
Maybe this is a new thread...Scooters.
QuoteScooters? Yeah, again loosing time. I would be different if the program fit into the day, like USPGRU, but they have specific practices and races. They have to be seperate. We loose time.
Get rid of the scooter racing and bring back the Legend cars that used to run with us at select races in 99. At least they ARE fast. ;D
But back to the transponders, a bunch of people whined to get them because "we need them" ::) and now they are whining about not getting them ASAFP. :-/ From the way I understand why they dont have them, CCS has to pay for them before they get shipped.
THe girls in the tower (at BHF) do an EXCELLENT JOB scoring. THe only 3 races I think that transponders should be used are EX/AM Unlimited GP's and Team CHallenge. The rest can stay manual.
I think the transponders should be ONLY used for the scooter races.
I paid $30 per race to race with CRA last weekend. Everyone had transponders and they seemed to work great. They reminded us several times to turn them in before leaving for the weekend. Our race results and individual lap times for every race were posted on the CRA website almost instantly. Is CRA just that much more organized than CCS? I can't imagine they have more money, comparing $30 entry fees to $70 or $50. ::)
How many races does CRA run per year and in how many regions of the country?
QuoteGet rid of the scooter racing and bring back the Legend cars that used to run with us at select races in 99. At least they ARE fast. ;D
The Legend cars did work nice for cleaning oil spills off the track if they happened, but they also had a bad habit of running off both the inside and outside of the track quite often and relocated alot of dirt and other debris on the track by doing so.
I would imagine that we have arrived at our current situation of combining with other types of racing and hosting non-racing track rides on race days in an effort to get as much economic return as possible for rental of the track. I personally don't know anyone (racerwise) that wants those other activities going on during racing days, especially when they could contribute to how late our races get pushed into the day in the event of delays. With the increases in race fees and gate fees I personally question the economic necessity of having those other activities on race days. The increased fees we all pay currently are supposed to cover the costs associated with the new transponder system and increased general operation fees, so if that is the case then why do we have these other activities going on during our race days? According to the Volume 20, Issue 1 mailer we all recieved dated November 30, 2002, the new transponder system was supposed to cost $350,000 over the next 3 years. Figuring that there are 5000+ racers with CCS, this would cost each racer less than $25 per year to cover the transponder costs. I paid that much extra the 1st weekend at BHF ($5 extra gate fee + $5 extra per entry (x4) = $25 total extra) so that leaves that amount extra at every event I attend from here on out to go toward event operations, so again why the need for the other activities? I realize that costs go up, and I thought we were already paying for that thru these higher fees, so why are we getting less track time for more money? Also the reduced practice time really sucks for those of us that will only be racing on 1 day of each event due to other commitments (such as work in my case).
QuoteHow many races does CRA run per year and in how many regions of the country?
Granted, CRA only runs at Brainerd and MAM, so they can probably get things done a lot easier since there are fewer "chiefs". But moneywise, I don't see how it's such a big deal for CCS to get transponders when CRA has had them for years. Maybe it needs to be split up and more authority given to each region? I don't want to sound like I'm complaining without giving a solution (that's very easy to do and not constructive). Just wondering.
QuoteI paid that much extra the 1st weekend at BHF ($5 extra gate fee + $5 extra per entry (x4) = $25 total extra).
BTW the extra $5 at the gate is to pay for Airfences at Blackhawk, not transponders.
QuoteBTW the extra $5 at the gate is to pay for Airfences at Blackhawk, not transponders.
I was unaware of this, was that in a mailer or something? I thought that the $5 extra gate fee was at all tracks, so does that mean that they are purchasing Airfence for each facility or is it for shared use between regions (for example the MW, GP, & GL regions have no overlapping events so Airfence for these 3 regions could be shared)? In the 'twin sprint' thread Kevin Elliot said that Airfence for R.A. was $3000, but didn't say if that was for purchase or rental. If the increased gate fee is exclusively for the purchase of Airfence then that is a good cause worth investment, even though I still feel very strongly that the higher gate fee will repel, not attract, spectators frequenting our events.
I talked to Kevin today...and looking back to the start of this..they did tell us we would have them in place by june or july but the extra would start at the first of the season..now after talking to Kevin today he said they seem to be doing better than the thought and may have them out to us by may...he also said that he did have transponders for VIR..just didn't have any brackets and didn't want them just taped to the bikes.. so maybe we will have them by North Florida... if not then by RRR... just thought i would pass this on after talking to him today
Well....guess I'll just wait until they are out before I sign up for any races this year....at least I won't have paid for something and not get it. >:-)
CCS simply WASTES too much money on "other expenses" Fees keep going up, track time keeps going down, more classes keep getting added, and we always seem to have SOME circus side show (Scooters, or legend cars) wasting our track time!
AT LEAST if they shorted races...they should give back a pro rated portion of your fees! Cut a GT race in half....give 1/2 the entry fees back!
CCS NEVER looses out on entry fees (unless you have a problem BEFORE you tech your bike ?!?!?!) But the riders ALWAYS loose out on track time.
QuoteHow many races does CRA run per year and in how many regions of the country?
Yeah, they only run two tracks and have a few races. But that's all they want to do.
But they have transponders and lower entry costs even though their insurance costs are much higher than the costs paid per day that CCE can get.
Back to Scooters...
How many are we getting there at BFR? Twenty? At $100 a crack, let's guess, CCE is bringing in a full $2000 into the purse.
CCS racers at Blackhawk enter what 600 races at about an average of $50 an entry? $30,000. The extra $2k is nothing. Were getting cut short, period.
Quote I was unaware of this, was that in a mailer or something?
I didnt see it mentioned in the mailer. I heard about that during a cornerworkers meeting. Its just for Blackhawk as far as I know. Turn 4 in particular and hopefully turn 5 will get them also.
Ray and Mike have been talking about acquiring Airfence for 6-7 months, after they found out the associated costs of shipping the Roadracing World Action Fund Airfence around, and realizing that at some motorcycle events it wouldn't be available. We were very up-front with them on the cost of set-up/tear-down and maintenance, and they decided they would rather have control of their own destiny, so to speak. I agreed with them.
Yes, the cost of transportation/set-up/tear-down at Road America is $3,000, that doesn't include purchase price of the Airfence modules.
Dave, who said we weren't having transponders at Road America? You should ask me when you have a question like that. If Fed-Ex doesn't lose them, they will be at Road America for our first test in the Mid-West.
CCS pays all of it's staff members, corners included, to work our events. CRA is/was, to the best of my knowledge, an all volunteer staff. That alone would pay for their scoring system in one season. As far as I can tell, they do a very good job at their events. Being a "big" company, no one wants to work for CCE/CCS for free, so it makes our events more expensive to run. (So does the $6,000 in cash purse at every event.) The GT races pay the same for track time as the sprints do, the extra cost is solely for the purse. CRA also doesn't have to pay nearly $3000 per event in medical insurance either. As a club, the members aren't quite as quick to sue as they are a large corporation. Just a fact we have to live with.
As for cutting races, we try to schedule the maximum amount of laps possible in the time we have to run. (More and more we are forced to end races by 5PM at the latest due to noise regulations and the encroachment of houses on existing tracks.)If we can avoid all but the normal delays, every race runs it's distance as posted, it is only when multiple red-flags push us below the three race an hour projection that we are forced to shorten events. (When things go right, we run 4 races an hour, we plan on 3, but when it falls to two we must act.) We could just post all as 6 lap races and when things go good just go home at 3PM, or we can try to get you all the track time possible by scheduling up to our cut-off time. I have always felt you would rather get as much track time as possible.
The reason we have 17 or so races on Sunday is the number of classes. No survey we have ever done has shown that riders are willing to give up classes to run longer races. It is what we refer to as the not-in-my-back-yard syndrome. Riders would like to see fewer classes, but don't want to lose the classes they run. In 1990, we had 24 classes, now we have 41 classes. It is these large number of classes that keep entry fees down. To run just the 28 "main-stream" (read open to 90% of our riders) fees would easily be $100 for the first class, $75 for the second and $50 for each additional, and that is just to break even at a normal event such as Blackhawk. Is this the direction you want to go?
I have wasted enough of your time, I hope that I have made a few points clearer.
I also thank you all for your patience and support.
Kevin,
What about running the classes during the week rather than in between races? I do want new riders to get into our sport, but maybe classes can not be squeezed in since there are always going to be red flags, etc... that will delay a race or two. If the classes were to be run on alternate weekends, or during the week then we could have the sprint races be 8 laps rather than 7. How about starting practice at 8am, or as early as the local noise ordinance will allow? I would like to see a lot of you guys post up some positive ideas on how to improve the situation. As far as transponders, well... Im just happy they are going to be at all CCS events. What about giving racers credit towards another race if their race is cut short. For instance, if an endurance race is cut short in order to make time up through the day then what ever the average # of laps are turned during a normal gt will be compared with actual laps run, and each rider will have a credit. Say a rider earns 5 laps credit, then the rider could either turn that in for a % towards another race, or save up til they have enough for an entire race. I know it might take some additional work to organize and track who has what credit, but I know for damn sure it would make a large group of happier racers.
Just remember how expensive that first race weekend is. I couldn't have afforded to pay for the school and all the stuff I needed to get out there, AND take off work to do it on a weekday. The alternate weekend might work, but what if the new riders are coming from 6-8 hours away? It's a catch-22 unfortunately..imho.
it is tougher to get more people involved if they have to take time off of work for sure. but to squeeze schools in between races makes the guys who have paid their dues suffer. loudon is my home track, and there are usually over 1000 guys racing a weekend, and i have never seen a race cut short due to anything but a red flag. they run the penguin school on fridays with just a rookie race on saturday at 12pm, then your in the mix with the other ametures. so if it works up there there is no reason why it cant work else where. besides, the school was held on friday with the rookie race on friday as well. so i dont know what is up with the classes between races anyway.
Down here we don't race on Saturday....practice all day. The only school on a race weekend that is actually held on a weekday is the Penguin School in December at Homestead, as far as I know. The schools on a normal race weekend have a little classroom time Saturday morning, 1 practice with a follow-the-leader format before lunch, one after lunch with a little more freedom, and then they turn ya loose. Not the safest thing, but I guess it works. However, I might be willing to give up a little more of my track time so the newbies get a little more time before they are sent into the general population for my own safety. At Moroso, there was an orange shirt in my first practice session after lunch (his first real session) that swerved across the track twice, almost took out 4 or 5 of us, and then put his hand up and cut back to the inside and pulled off for no particular reason. I think he just panicked when he must have looked back and saw a big group of us coming. Whatever his reason was, it almost got really ugly. Then he went down on his own about three turns later, and crashed in the same corner Sunday morning while I was sitting there blown up. I feel that if he had gotten a little more track time and maybe a mock race before he was sent out with us he would have been more comfortable and things would have been safer for all. Just my .02 based on one individual example.
up here there is practice in the mornings and races all day. if guys need more track time then they should be hitting track days before going right into racing. that is the dangers of the ameture class. and no matter what you do there will be situations like that with newbies all the time. and rather than make dangerous situations, and take up racers time and money maybe they should be required to have a little more than just a school. but even still, being in a race situation is a unique one, and only experience can get someone used to it. that is a big reason why i couldnt wait to get out of the ameture class, but it is a part of the deal. and going back and forth isnt going to create a solution about our time being cut into when we paid and traveled a long distance for such time. so lets get some constructive ideas.
QuoteI think the transponders should be ONLY used for the scooter races.
No, that's what the trackside sun dials are for ;D
QuoteDave, who said we weren't having transponders at Road America? You should ask me when you have a question like that.
Is that me? I believe Bill said that at Blackhawk. I hope he would be in the know.
So, you think we'll have them there?
QuoteNo survey we have ever done has shown that riders are willing to give up classes to run longer races. It is what we refer to as the not-in-my-back-yard syndrome. Riders would like to see fewer classes, but don't want to lose the classes they run. In 1990, we had 24 classes, now we have 41 classes. It is these large number of classes that keep entry fees down. To run just the 28 "main-stream" (read open to 90% of our riders) fees would easily be $100 for the first class, $75 for the second and $50 for each additional, and that is just to break even at a normal event such as Blackhawk. Is this the direction you want to go?
Personally, I like that idea. There is quite a bit of redundency. A few more laps would be nice.
We have lost practice in the AM though. How did we loose that?
Thanks for dropping a note, Kevin. I though it was your time that was pretty valuable, so, thanks!
QuoteWe have lost practice in the AM though. How did we loose that?
I personally don't like the 2 practice sessions at all, 3 sessions left more options to morning practice. I often times would go out during 1st practice and identify something that needed to be changed and come back in after practice and make my change before 2nd practice. There were numerous times that the change I made was not correct and needed to be tweaked a little more. This is when that 3rd session is so valuable for those of us that can't make it to Friday practices, or as in my case are only racing on Sundays (except for twin sprint events where I may take Friday off work, as well as Saturday).
QuoteI think the transponders should be ONLY used for the scooter races.
can we BAN this guy from the board ???
QuoteI personally don't like the 2 practice sessions at all, 3 sessions left more options to morning practice.
I agree. I mean, were talking about, what, twenty-one laps vs fourteen laps. It's an increase of laps, the opportunity to get up to speed. That extra session was needed. I know what the track looks like and all, but even I could use some time. I have no depth perception. I find it necessary for me to have a bit of redundancy to I can create a rhythm on a track. I am far from ready with two sessions.
How can a regular amateur with a minor amount of experience be expected to be reasonably safe in competition?
Quotecan we BAN this guy from the board ???
LOL! ;D Too funny Chef! Can't stop grinning after reading that (especially after all the time it's taken to get transponders!).
QuoteDown here we don't race on Saturday....practice all day. The only school on a race weekend that is actually held on a weekday is the Penguin School in December at Homestead, as far as I know. The schools on a normal race weekend have a little classroom time Saturday morning, 1 practice with a follow-the-leader format before lunch, one after lunch with a little more freedom, and then they turn ya loose. Not the safest thing, but I guess it works. However, I might be willing to give up a little more of my track time so the newbies get a little more time before they are sent into the general population for my own safety. At Moroso, there was an orange shirt in my first practice session after lunch (his first real session) that swerved across the track twice, almost took out 4 or 5 of us, and then put his hand up and cut back to the inside and pulled off for no particular reason. I think he just panicked when he must have looked back and saw a big group of us coming. Whatever his reason was, it almost got really ugly. Then he went down on his own about three turns later, and crashed in the same corner Sunday morning while I was sitting there blown up. I feel that if he had gotten a little more track time and maybe a mock race before he was sent out with us he would have been more comfortable and things would have been safer for all. Just my .02 based on one individual example.
you must be talking about Florida ?? the Mid-Atlan., does have racing on sat. ... not sure about the S.E.ccs ???
Florida. I guess the SE region will run by our schedule at Jennings in May, but I think they are different the rest of the time. I'm thinking of going to Roebling for the twin sprint weekend since they cancelled June Homestead, but not sure if two practice sessions Saturday morning will have me ready to go racing at a new to me track. Still undecided.
Quotenot sure if two practice sessions Saturday morning will have me ready to go racing at a new to me track. Still undecided.
Go for it, dude. I drove my happy ace down to Roebling for the first time last year. Got there before dark on Friday so I could walk the track and then hit it on Saturday. It's not super technical. Lots of fast sweepers and throttle control. You'll dig it. ;D