(Found this on RR/SW's site- B-stone dealers, please feel free to update or state corrections!)
2010 Bridgestone CCS/ASRA Contingency Payout
Class 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th
LW SuperSport Expert $200 $150 $100
LW SuperSport Novice $100 $75 $50
MW SuperSport Expert $400 $200 $100 $75 $50
MW SuperSport Novice $100 $75 $50
HW SuperSport Expert $400 $200 $100 $75 $50
HW SuperSport Novice $100 $75 $50
UN SuperSport Expert $400 $200 $100 $75 $50
UN SuperSport Novice $100 $75 $50
ULW Superbike Expert $150 $100 $75
ULW Superbike Novice $100 $75 $50
LW Superbike Expert $150 $100 $75
LW Superbike Novice $100 $75 $50
MW Superbike Expert $400 $200 $100 $75 $50
MW Superbike Novice $100 $75 $50
HW Superbike Expert $400 $200 $100 $75 $50
HW Superbike Novice $100 $75 $50
UN Superbike Expert $400 $200 $100 $75 $50
UN Superbike Novice $100 $75 $50
125 GP Expert $150 $100 $75
125 GP Novice $100 $75 $50
MW GP Expert $150 $100 $75
MW GP Novice $100 $75 $50
LW GP Expert $150 $100 $75
LW GP Novice $100 $75 $50
UN GP Expert $150 $100 $75
UN GP Novice $100 $75 $50
GTO Expert $200 $150 $100
GTO Novice $100 $75 $50
GTU Expert $200 $150 $100
GTU Novice $100 $75 $50
GTL Expert $200 $150 $100
GTL Novice $100 $75 $50
Thunderbike Expert $200 $150 $100
Thunderbike Novice $100 $75 $50
Formula 40 Expert $150 $100 $75
Formula 40 Novice $100 $75 $50
LW Formula 40 Expert $150 $100 $75
LW Formula 40 Novice $100 $75 $50
Supertwins Expert $150 $100 $75
Supertwins Novice $100 $75 $50
Total $6,750 $4,350 $2,775 $450 $300 $14,625
x59 Races $862,875
Field requirements:
1st - 5
2nd - 8
3rd - 10
4th - 12
5th - 15
remmeber stones pays in stone money only. michelin and prelli is cold hard cash
I think Pirelli is paying w/ vouchers this year, like B-stones. Besides- it all goes back to paying for new rubber in the long run, Tom!
Pirelli is hooked up with X-bux in 2010 so it is a lot like Michelin except lower purses for finishes than the Michelin. Did a little math from my finishes in the 2009 races and Bridgestone paid better towards tire money. Got an extra $150 for second place from Bridgestone in the region for each class-I don't know if the other manufacturers does that. If you win a regional championship Bridgestone pays $200. I did fairly well this season racing on Bridgestone purchasing 4 sets of tires for my Ducati 800, racing Ultralight and the occasional Gt lights-then getting $1300 in contingency.
It is nice though having the cash to spend on whatever beyond the tires. The Michelins are new to me or I am new to them for 2009. I was very impressed with the side grip on the V-front on the old dog 748 running Lw F40 and Thunderbike.
Mark
Quote from: skiandclimb on February 08, 2010, 06:28:13 PM
I think Pirelli is paying w/ vouchers this year, like B-stones. Besides- it all goes back to paying for new rubber in the long run, Tom!
Pirelli is paying cash.. And as slow as you are 1 set ill last all year...HEHE
Quote from: gonecrazy on February 08, 2010, 09:14:41 PM
Pirelli is paying cash.. And as slow as you are 1 set ill last all year...HEHE
LMAO! Damn you, Shaw....if you weren't all gimpy and whatnot I'd take offense to that. Wait a second, I did do a season once on one pair of tires come to think of it! Crap- am I that slow? LOL
Happy Birthday, by the way, Tom!
The Bridgestone contingency program is phenomenal. As most of you know, Turn One Racing is now the official Bridgestone race tire vendor for the Midwest. We'll be at every event with a full line of the tires whose technology trickles down straight from Moto GP. Contingency winners hand their certificates directly to us in exchange for fresh rubber. And as we all know, Fresher is Faster :biggrin:
Marshal what is the cost of a set w/ 190 rear?
Bridgestone 2009 pricing was $359 for the DOTs and $379 for the slicks in the 120/190 size. The word is that prices are increasing for 2010 by about $5 a front and $10 a rear.
So I would expect the DOTs to run $374 and the slicks to run $394, in the 120/190.
The 120/180 would be $364 for the DOTs and the slicks should be $389.
If you started running the Bridgestones, Joel, you'd could be cleaning up. KTM's got a nice payout schedule and I expect the Bridgestone contingency will be the best tire money available in 2010.
Those prices include trackside mounting and balancing at no extra charge, of course.
What about the ASRA contingency?
Nevermind. Talked to Joe.
Quote from: Orange Kr8,RC51 minus 43 on February 10, 2010, 10:11:05 AM
Marshal what is the cost of a set w/ 190 rear?
More than the Michelins, not to mention all of the trophys you would have won on the good rubber. :biggrin:
The "good rubber" that got their asses handed to them so bad in Moto GP their own teams were demanding Bridgestones in the middle of the season? Oh yeah, that company ::)
The truth is every major manufacturer makes an excellent product at the top of their product line. Michelin has chosen to re-introduce an old product line to be price competitive, and that's fine. Pirelli did it with the SC Pros, Dunlop had their AMA spec tire last year, etc... The fact remains that the rider and the machinery are what make the difference at the level of anyone reading this.
Nuh uh! There's a magic tire out there somewhere that will transform me into a talented rider! I just know it.
Quote from: Sklossmonster on February 11, 2010, 11:34:51 AM
The "good rubber" that got their asses handed to them so bad in Moto GP their own teams were demanding Bridgestones in the middle of the season? Oh yeah, that company ::)
The truth is every major manufacturer makes an excellent product at the top of their product line. Michelin has chosen to re-introduce an old product line to be price competitive, and that's fine. Pirelli did it with the SC Pros, Dunlop had their AMA spec tire last year, etc... The fact remains that the rider and the machinery are what make the difference at the level of anyone reading this.
Ha, keep reaching buddy. Care to compare Michelin and Bridgestones GP record? WSB record? Club level record? Just because at the world level the rules were changed and Michelin didnt adapt quickly enough has nothing to do with the quality of tires at the club level.
Are you saying the Power Ones are an old product line or do you not pay attention to what the competitors (that are in front of you) are running?
QuoteCare to compare Michelin and Bridgestones GP record?
I'd love to, but unfortunately Michelin left with their tale between their legs when Rossi, Pedrosa, and Lorenzo all demanded Bridgestones because Michelin lost it's edge and couldn't compete anymore at the highest level.
QuoteWSB record?
WSB has been a spec tire series for years, you want to compare tires that don't even exist anymore?
QuoteAre you saying the Power Ones are an old product line or do you not pay attention to what the competitors (that are in front of you) are running?
My understanding is the race Power Ones in the 120/190 cost racers (who don't have tire deals like you) about $400, is that incorrect?
And for the record, I haven't raced since 2006 when none of the tires we're talking about had even been developed. I'm looking forward to doing a few rounds this year, and the guys at the front of the Expert inline 4 classes in the Midwest are all on Dunlops and Pirellis.
We all know Michelin sux, cause they have a fat guy as an advertisement Icon. :biggrin:
Marshall, what are you ridin this year? Yellow or White?
Skloss; Correct me if I'm wrong, (shut-up Ben...), But from what I have heard is that the Stones that the GP guys are running are from a differrent division than what the club level has access to and are developed by the Indy car division. The ones we have access to are from the street tyre division.
MotoGP aside-I did some comparisons of my own and found that the Bridgestone paid the best for the finishes that I had. Yeah you may say if I used this other tire I would have had better finishes. Reality-this is a club racer, I get beat not because of the tire I use but because the winner is a better rider. I also occasionally won a couiple races against the same guy that beat me-same tires, same guys. They race on Dunlop, Michelin and Pirelli.
On those days that I have won I was the better rider.
QuoteSkloss; Correct me if I'm wrong, (shut-up Ben...), But from what I have heard is that the Stones that the GP guys are running are from a differrent division than what the club level has access to and are developed by the Indy car division. The ones we have access to are from the street tyre division.
Of course the tires at the Moto GP level are not what anyone has access to, but my understanding is that just like every manufacturer in the motorcycle industry the lessons learned trickle directly down into the products available to the racing community. I've wondered why the slicks come packaged so differently than the DOTs, and why the compound codes and tire terminology is different from the slicks to the DOTs. I'll find out and get back to this thread with what I learn.
QuoteMarshall, what are you ridin this year? Yellow or White?
I was afraid they might make me petition to keep my Expert status since it's been over three years since I held an Expert license, but they were kind enough to save me the trouble.
Looking forward to gridding up again, it's been way too long. I wish I could afford to do a full season, but hopefully a few rounds will quench my thirst.
QuoteMotoGP aside-I did some comparisons of my own and found that the Bridgestone paid the best for the finishes that I had. Yeah you may say if I used this other tire I would have had better finishes. Reality-this is a club racer, I get beat not because of the tire I use but because the winner is a better rider. I also occasionally won a couiple races against the same guy that beat me-same tires, same guys. They race on Dunlop, Michelin and Pirelli.
On those days that I have won I was the better rider.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. I don't think Mr. Probst is giving himself enough credit for the skills he's bringing to the table in his finishes. Michelin's a great tire. So is Dunlop. And Pirelli. And Bridgestone. I guarantee you if he were committed to running one of the other tire brands and got his head and his bike dialed in to anyone of the major manufacturers he would be running similar times.
Until you're smashing lap records, and/or getting 20 sets of free tires to start the season, it's all about how much the tires cost, how much they pay, and how far down the order they pay.
This is a great year for club racers on Bridgestone tires. The payouts are excellent, they pay well down the finishing order, and trading certificates for tires is a breeze.
And I'm being honest when I say I love those Bridgestone slicks, they're a phenomenal tire. The biggest problem they have is that they'll never give free tires to front running Experts, it's against their philosophy. I read in RRW that even when Rossi switched to Bridgstones and there was no spec tire rule, the Fiat Yamaha team had to buy their tires just like everyone else. Japanese pride, or something.
Quote from: Sklossmonster on February 11, 2010, 10:13:07 PM
Of course the tires at the Moto GP level are not what anyone has access to, but my understanding is that just like every manufacturer in the motorcycle industry the lessons learned trickle directly down into the products available to the racing community. I've wondered why the slicks come packaged so differently than the DOTs, and why the compound codes and tire terminology is different from the slicks to the DOTs. I'll find out and get back to this thread with what I learn.
Agreed...
Quote from: Sklossmonster on February 11, 2010, 10:45:41 PM
This is exactly what I'm talking about. I don't think Mr. Probst is giving himself enough credit for the skills he's bringing to the table in his finishes. Michelin's a great tire. So is Dunlop. And Pirelli. And Bridgestone. I guarantee you if he were committed to running one of the other tire brands and got his head and his bike dialed in to anyone of the major manufacturers he would be running similar times.
Until you're smashing lap records, and/or getting 20 sets of free tires to start the season, it's all about how much the tires cost, how much they pay, and how far down the order they pay.
This is a great year for club racers on Bridgestone tires. The payouts are excellent, they pay well down the finishing order, and trading certificates for tires is a breeze.
And I'm being honest when I say I love those Bridgestone slicks, they're a phenomenal tire. The biggest problem they have is that they'll never give free tires to front running Experts, it's against their philosophy. I read in RRW that even when Rossi switched to Bridgstones and there was no spec tire rule, the Fiat Yamaha team had to buy their tires just like everyone else. Japanese pride, or something.
Back in the day,(showing my age here) 1989-95, I tried a butt load of tyres except Dunlops and fell in love with the Michelin TX's.
When I came back, in '06-7, I was introduced to the BS's 002's. They worked... then came the 003's, they sucked, period... kept loosing the front.
Then I tried their slicks. Holy Crap, now those I like!
Last year I gave Pirelli a try. I like the Dragons. They work well.
Next set was the new Pirelli "WSB" SC's.( if they were the pro's, I don't remember)
They were ok but, I like the Dragons better.
This year I am up in the air. After reading the March RRW article about why WSB and MotoGP are running what they are running, my gist is that Pirelli's are for short, tight tracks and BS's are for longer, more flowing tracks.
I wonder how Michey and Dunlops fall in.
I like the feedback I get with the BS slicks and the packaging reflects what I am getting and I will continue to use them, if anything for trackdays.
As for what I'm going to run contingency wise, I have no clue... Too many variables.
Either run what works or go for the money(shut-up Ben, no, I may not run up front but I can give it my best, for an old guy)
It feels so weird to not be in this fight, i am so used to BBS battles i feel lost not getting involved.. Good luck boys
there is no battle, I have used both tires and michelin`s have better feel and there front tires are in a class of there own. you cant compare the ones we use to gp or world superbike, its different rubber and has alot to do with $$$ just like dunflop and ama. Its is put up for bid with certain things that ama want.
I think my lack of talent disqualifies me from judging the performance differences of Bridgestone vs Michelin tires, but I did purchase enough tires in the last couple of years to judge trackside support.
In 08 I ran the bt03s and I liked them, but could not get any support from the vendor. Sometimes he was at BHF with tires, most times he wasn't. He had what seemed like random sizes and compounds in stock. The worst part was when I asked him what to run for hot/cold tire pressures, and he said "well, I'm not really sure".
I can't think of a CCS practice or race day when Tommy's big yellow truck wasn't present.
For that matter, it seems like Dustin's party bus looking setup is always there as well, and I've given him plenty an opportunity to rag on me while mounting Bridgestone tires because no Bridgestone vendor was at the event.
I hope Turn One Racing can change my image of Bridgestone tire trackside support.
Back to the lack of talent piece...I crashed less and went faster on the Michelins...
Quote from: alexm on February 13, 2010, 12:57:41 PM
For that matter, it seems like Dustin's party bus looking setup is always there as well, and I've given him plenty an opportunity to rag on me while mounting Bridgestone tires because no Bridgestone vendor was at the event.
Back to the lack of talent piece...I crashed less and went faster on the Michelins...
I feel so used, im good enough to spoon on your stones but no love when you switch brands... lol
Party looking bus? i should have wrapped it like Johnny rock page's ride, oh well to late.
Quote from: red900 on February 12, 2010, 10:52:03 PM
It feels so weird to not be in this fight, i am so used to BBS battles i feel lost not getting involved.. Good luck boys
all you sandbaggin track day whores are same anyway.... tamato, tahmahto :biggrin:
Quote from: gonecrazy on February 13, 2010, 10:45:29 AM
there is no battle, I have used both tires and michelin`s have better feel and there front tires are in a class of there own. you cant compare the ones we use to gp or world superbike, its different rubber and has alot to do with $$$ just like dunflop and ama. Its is put up for bid with certain things that ama want.
Michelins are good tires for sure, I always did well on them. But "feel" is not an ojective category. You might like the Michelin front, and I might prefer something different.
Obviously motogp tires are special. But the WSBK tires really aren't. If you have 16.5s they're obtainble. The world supersport guys are running tires identical to the ones you get from your Pirelli vendor at a CCS race.
Quote from: alexm on February 13, 2010, 12:57:41 PM
I think my lack of talent disqualifies me from judging the performance differences of Bridgestone vs Michelin tires, but I did purchase enough tires in the last couple of years to judge trackside support.
In 08 I ran the bt03s and I liked them, but could not get any support from the vendor. Sometimes he was at BHF with tires, most times he wasn't. He had what seemed like random sizes and compounds in stock. The worst part was when I asked him what to run for hot/cold tire pressures, and he said "well, I'm not really sure".
I can't think of a CCS practice or race day when Tommy's big yellow truck wasn't present.
For that matter, it seems like Dustin's party bus looking setup is always there as well, and I've given him plenty an opportunity to rag on me while mounting Bridgestone tires because no Bridgestone vendor was at the event.
I hope Turn One Racing can change my image of Bridgestone tire trackside support.
Back to the lack of talent piece...I crashed less and went faster on the Michelins...
+1 on trackside support.... look forward to a more supportive season from the stone vendors.
QuoteThe world supersport guys are running tires identical to the ones you get from your Pirelli vendor at a CCS race.
I'm not so sure about that. They're a lot closer to what is commercially availlable than MotoGP technology, but the World level of competition is usually at least one step ahead of what you can actually buy.
Either way, they're still great tires. I love the Pirellis, and I'm sure if I spent enough time on the new Dulops, and the new Michelins they'd be excellent tires as well. They just cost too much in my opinion and they're contingency doesn't pay as much, doesn't pay as far down, and requires more riders on the grid to get paid at all.
All this talk of tires and contingency is making my insane. Is it Spring yet? :banghead:
WSS, Same tire Marshall, I promise. WSBK, that is a different story.
QuoteWSS, Same tire Marshall, I promise. WSBK, that is a different story.
Wow, who says spec tire series aren't good for the sport? I always did like the feeling from my Pirellis, almost as much as I like my Bridgestones :biggrin:
It should be a good year for club racing this season. The economy is finally starting to show some signs of recovery, Pirelli's got a new paying class on the grid with actual qualifying, I'm sure Dunlop and Michelin will be as good as ever, and the Bridgestone contingency payouts are off the hook.
I'm looking forward to this season more than every, now if we can just find the time to actually ride!
Come on Spring :cheers:
I want to ride too, but i need all the time I can get to get my bike ready, something always comes up. april 17th will be here before you know it!
I hope the Bridgestone payouts are good. I didn't set the limits, but I did a lot of research and asked for a bump in it. Theymoved around some funds and allocated them to the racers. I'll have my crew at RRR and CMP. It will be me, or Josh there to help out anyone who needs it.
Go out and get a lot of those Certs. I want people to be getting thier tires paid for by Bridgestone.
Quote+1 on trackside support.... look forward to a more supportive season from the stone vendors.
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Quote from: Sklossmonster on February 16, 2010, 02:21:40 PM
It should be a good year for club racing this season. The economy is finally starting to show some signs of recovery,
that is some funny shit right there..... :err:
Quote... starting to show some signs ...
I'm not saying we're out of the woods yet, but I've had an unusually large number of friends out of work due to this depression, and the job opportunities have definitely picked up in my little corner of the world. But I'm also in Chicagoland, where 2010 budgets and the optimism of Spring have both been renewed.
A lot of the indicators going on right now are just that, indicators. It won't really affect most of us for a while yet, assuming it continues to improve, but it seems like it's already bottomed out and is on the upswell.
Holy crap, am I being an optimist here? Never thought I'd live to see the day. Oh well, never say never!
Quote from: Sklossmonster on February 19, 2010, 08:55:24 AM
I'm not saying we're out of the woods yet, but I've had an unusually large number of friends out of work due to this depression, and the job opportunities have definitely picked up in my little corner of the world. But I'm also in Chicagoland, where 2010 budgets and the optimism of Spring have both been renewed.
A lot of the indicators going on right now are just that, indicators. It won't really affect most of us for a while yet, assuming it continues to improve, but it seems like it's already bottomed out and is on the upswell.
Holy crap, am I being an optimist here? Never thought I'd live to see the day. Oh well, never say never!
sure am glad Chicagoland has their budgets renewed....that is, of course, the only important part of Illinois....
Not trying to kick you Marshall (as I don't even know you) so please don't take it as personal attack....but things have not bottomed out in Illinois.
Be happy that Spring is coming and new race season....for sure.
Good luck this season and with the Bridgestone effort.
Chicagoland = OBAMALAND
He's takin caya his brothahs in da hood...
Quote from: Noidly1 on February 20, 2010, 05:21:43 PM
Chicagoland = OBAMALAND
He's takin caya his brothahs in da hood...
You sound like a bigger tool than usual here Noid, congrats.
Whatever Ben. :rollseyes:
Quote
Skloss; Correct me if I'm wrong, (shut-up Ben...), But from what I have heard is that the Stones that the GP guys are running are from a differrent division than what the club level has access to and are developed by the Indy car division. The ones we have access to are from the street tyre division.
Of course the tires at the Moto GP level are not what anyone has access to, but my understanding is that just like every manufacturer in the motorcycle industry the lessons learned trickle directly down into the products available to the racing community. I've wondered why the slicks come packaged so differently than the DOTs, and why the compound codes and tire terminology is different from the slicks to the DOTs. I'll find out and get back to this thread with what I learn.
Quote
Just wanted to let everyone know what I learned regarding this question. All Bridgestone motorycle race tires are made in Japan, and although the slicks and the DOT's come from different departments they do both come from the same division, motorcycle race tires.
The new Type 3 DOT front has been designed to share the same profile as the slick front, for smooth transition between slicks and DOTs. Joe and I have been running them at the last few rounds and although we're both still getting back up to speed (and working more than riding), we've both gotten down into the :12s on them now at Blackhawk and they still look and feel great.
With the contingency program they have and the support TurnOneRacing now provides Bridgestone riders in the Midwest region, I'm suprised more riders haven't tried them yet, but with the lap times I know are capable with these tires I'm sure that will change soon enough :biggrin:
I saw Marshall do some amazing things on the Bridgestones this weekend, as well as at the first three Motovid trackdays, those tires flat out work!
Thanks for the props, Mike. If this is Mike Ayers on the other Honda 1000rr, you were looking good out there :cheers: Can't wait til next time!