I was in Sunday Race 11 Unl. Superbike. I lost the rear and low-sided in the kink between the two infield horseshoes. The bike is a mess, I just slid on my butt. Oh yeah,...it was on the warm-up lap. DUH :banghead:
I blame it on those damn "Daytona Dunlops" they sucked!!! I rode Dunlops all year and these "daytona versions" were completely different. Alot of movement and squirming....not a confidence builder. My last race was late in the day and I guess the temp dropped. I was going thru that turn in 4th wide open earlier.......this was the warm-up lap, I was half throttle in 3rd and next thing I new I was on my ass... :wtf: :jerkoff:
ask chris about the 600$ set of 16.5 tires he bought fri that would not stick in the tbike race then found out from the dunlop engineer that they were 5 yrs old sure ruined his weekend
:wtf: Steve Brubaker just getting rid of his old stock, what a BIG FAT A-HOLE. I can't stand that guy. That's why I'm riding on something else next year....Pirelli, Bridgestone maybe
Quote from: XFACTOR on October 22, 2009, 08:05:58 PM
:wtf: Steve Brubaker just getting rid of his old stock, what a BIG FAT A-HOLE. I can't stand that guy. That's why I'm riding on something else next year....Pirelli, Bridgestone maybe
I think you will like the Pirelli's. I switched from N-Tecs to Pirelli's in May and never looked back.
The support model alone is worth the switch. I also found that they are not nearly as sensitive to set up as the Dunlop, and they are more consistent from set to set.
Give Rich Cronrath a call and get set up.
I whole heartidly agree, initially on thursday I do believe that they were some kind of daytona tire with dual compounds they had a green stripe down the middle and were from 09, but on sat. and sun. I got a set that were from 08 and no green stripe.....I think its unbelievable the way that brubaker sells dunlops that are old and really do not work for the conditions that were down at daytona for the race of champions....heck i wanted to mount a softer set of tires and he wouldn't, I can't tell you how disappointed I am in dunlop and brubaker...I have been on dunlops now for over two years...thats alot of tires and I can't tell you how many times if I pre order tires from brubaker that I get old and ratty tires...the only way I would get good rubber was to get it at the race track except from this time around down at daytona...wonder why...brubaker!! Well its time for achange NO MORE DUNLOPS!!
I like Pirelli except for the price. I know it's not really much... but I don't really have much either. I guess compared to Dunlop though, it is pretty cheap. Leon is our Pirelli guy in Fla. They seem very consistent and very predictable. That is my opinion, as someone who doesn't have a lot of seat time in general and is not too fast.
Quote from: Eye-p on October 22, 2009, 08:18:44 PM
I think you will like the Pirelli's. I switched from N-Tecs to Pirelli's in May and never looked back.
The support model alone is worth the switch. I also found that they are not nearly as sensitive to set up as the Dunlop, and they are more consistent from set to set.
Give Rich Cronrath a call and get set up.
thanks for the info.
I ran an old set of Pirelli hard compound slicks from 2006, last set on from the 1st. Moto ST event, indicators still fair etc. I had a weak left arm and was slow, they only slid around on Fri. morning practice, from then on they were great.
I saw one of those Dunlop rears well used in the garage, it just didn't look right.
i was talking to Chris right after the asra race and he said he was having to hold the bike up with his knee if cranked the bike in and almost went of in 1 but had qualified on pole on the first set that lasted 3 laps and they were junk so was scared of the 3rd set that was on his supertwins bike so he didn't even run they were new so he took them off and took them back that's when he found out how old they were. they did give him a set for homestead. but it shot the daytona for him .he runs 16.5 but has 17s in the trailer all they had to say on fri is there two old and it's going to be to cold .and he would have used 17s makes you wonder about everybody crashing and who's on what. it's like they didn't care about our safety or their reputation . we just want an honest answer. discont the old tires use them for trackdays or practice don't let the guys out at 200mph track where everyone's spending thousands just to be there.I used to sell bridgestones in fl and i would tell them yeah there not the stickest. but they take heat cycles well and the price was good .it's like it's against the law to admit your product is not as good as another. we are now on Michelin's and bridgestones on the light bike and we are really liking the Michelin's on the 748
Quote from: Ducmarc on October 22, 2009, 04:42:09 PM
ask chris about the 600$ set of 16.5 tires he bought fri that would not stick in the tbike race then found out from the dunlop engineer that they were 5 yrs old sure ruined his weekend
$600?.... holy shit :wah:
yep they should hang their heads in shame for what they do. its unbelievable that they would give tires that old and expect you to ride competetively. again it shows how much they care for riders who are not in the ama!
The regular Dunlop Ntec's we had from Homestead blistered and chunked on Chris' 1098 and the 748 after 4 laps. He didn't run Supertwins because the Daytona tires were so bad.
I've been using Pirellis for years now, we pushed them for 8 hours last year in the Moto ST race. The fronts are incredible, we changed them after 4 hours but no loss in grip- some of the other teams ran the fronts for the full 8 hours!
Quote from: XFACTOR on October 22, 2009, 08:05:58 PM
:wtf: Steve Brubaker just getting rid of his old stock, what a BIG FAT A-HOLE. I can't stand that guy. That's why I'm riding on something else next year....Pirelli, Bridgestone maybe
Yup.. it is always the tires fault when someone crashes. Not a Dunlop fan but give me a break!
Quote from: MELK-MAN on October 23, 2009, 11:11:58 PM
Yup.. it is always the tires fault when someone crashes. Not a Dunlop fan but give me a break!
I ran Dunlops all year Mr. Milkman, never did they feel like these "daytona tires" as agreed by other Dunlop riders.... but opinions are like a-holes and everybody's got one
how old are the tires you are riding with milkman...are they several years old, does your tire provider give you a choice of rubber when the conditions don't meet the rubber that is brought down, like the super hard tires at daytona with dunlop..and they wouldn't mount anything else??, maybe we are not as good as you on the track, but we do know when we crash if its our fault or the tires, or do we need sometype of special training for that.
Quote from: yzfrjim on October 24, 2009, 10:42:08 AM
how old are the tires you are riding with milkman...are they several years old, does your tire provider give you a choice of rubber when the conditions don't meet the rubber that is brought down, like the super hard tires at daytona with dunlop..and they wouldn't mount anything else??, maybe we are not as good as you on the track, but we do know when we crash if its our fault or the tires, or do we need sometype of special training for that.
Quote from: XFACTOR on October 22, 2009, 12:17:27 AM
I was in Sunday Race 11 Unl. Superbike. I lost the rear and low-sided in the kink between the two infield horseshoes. The bike is a mess, I just slid on my butt. Oh yeah,...it was on the warm-up lap. DUH :banghead:
Nothing personal , I just get a kick out of racers that point fingers everywhere but at themselves when they crash. LOTS of racers got around Daytona this past weekend. Some crashed, but i have not heard a resounding "those damn tires made me crash".. My friend, You crashed on the warm up lap!! I could not point out a more novice mistake if i tried.. How is that the fault of the tire?? People do that with GOOD new sticky tires, ya just got to be careful with the conditions that were present at Daytona this year.. Green track from rain, 60+- Temps, Hard Daytona compound tires..etc. That is all im saying.. How bout man up and say .. i was silly for pushing hard on the warm up lap. I shoulda given it some time as i knew i was on a very hard tire and it was 60deg F outside. ?? I think potential sponsors would be much more impressed with that.
And for the record, i raced my gsxr1000 with 6 year old tires, Michelin had some cheap close out 16.5 slicks. AWESOME. Tires don't need to be fresh outa the oven to work well all the time.
Good luck with the tire brand switch.. will patiently await to see how that goes.
as stated previously in this post....
I wasn't pushing on the warm-up lap, I had gone thru that corner one gear higher and much faster at race pace, hell I wasn't even accelerating when it happened, I was maintaining a constant speed. I hadn't sat on the stand by lane waiting to get on the track either, the tire warmers had just come off.
I've had my share of crashes, and all (except this one) were my screw-ups one way or another. Your expecting something to be performing the way it has been, and then without warning it's gone. Dunlops (regular Dunlops) would always give a warning slide, even at race pace.
It must be easy to criticize and give opinions riding around with your arm in a sling on a scooter all day. I wanna be just like you :jerkoff:
Quote from: XFACTOR on October 24, 2009, 03:43:59 PM
as stated previously in this post....
I wasn't pushing on the warm-up lap, I had gone thru that corner one gear higher and much faster at race pace, hell I wasn't even accelerating when it happened, I was maintaining a constant speed. I hadn't sat on the stand by lane waiting to get on the track either, the tire warmers had just come off.
I've had my share of crashes, and all (except this one) were my screw-ups one way or another. Your expecting something to be performing the way it has been, and then without warning it's gone. Dunlops (regular Dunlops) would always give a warning slide, even at race pace.
It must be easy to criticize and give opinions riding around with your arm in a sling on a scooter all day. I wanna be just like you :jerkoff:
your right.. I don't have a clue what im talking about and you have all the answers. Happy racing..
not what I'm saying at all, I'm sure you are extremely knowledgeable and I know you have more seat time than me in racing..... but how do you make a statement like yours when you don't know me, never rode against me, never rode with me, or ever watched me race. You don't know me from "Adam". You haven't the slightest clue if I'm erratic, smooth, or just a squid? Next time you should know who your talking about, rather than generalizing, and drop the "God" complex.
Yup, you sure have me pegged, God complex and all. What was I thinking to assume that your riding could have had anything to do with a warm up lap crash on a 60deg F day on a green track.. It had to be the tires fault. Thank you for correcting me.
Ah, ALL KNOWING MILKMAN..........again you don't know me, my experience, or my skill level. We happen to run very close lap times at V.I.R., so just because I have Amateur status and I don't have a #2 on my bike doesn't mean I'm in-experienced in different conditions, I'm from up North, I've been on the track in Oct. and Nov. up here. I know what it's like to be on a cooling/cold track. I know what cold tire slides feel like......so gimme a break, I do have you pegged :ass:
Quote from: XFACTOR on October 24, 2009, 11:00:48 PM
Ah, ALL KNOWING MILKMAN..........again you don't know me, my experience, or my skill level. We happen to run very close lap times at V.I.R., so just because I have Amateur status and I don't have a #2 on my bike doesn't mean I'm in-experienced in different conditions, I'm from up North, I've been on the track in Oct. and Nov. up here. I know what it's like to be on a cooling/cold track. I know what cold tire slides feel like......so gimme a break, I do have you pegged :ass:
My friend, everyone reading this thread sees you for the class act you are. It has NOTHING to do with my third consecutive #2 plate or if im a rider that gets lapped 3 times in every race. Furthermore, I DONT CARE to know you, but when you call people names on a public forum, prepare to be called out for what likely REALLY happened.
Right out of the gate you call a known tire distributor with YEARS of experience at Daytona a "big fat A-HOLE" on a public forum and spout "my tires suck, thats' why i crashed on the warm up lap" and form the conspiracy theory with another peson in this thread that Dunlop was just getting rid of old stock and put you in danger.. yet by some MIRACLE everyone else in the race managed to finish. My gosh, im getting my Sunday suit on right now as as i just realized it HAD to be divine intervention that saved all the other riders on that warm up lap.!!! im sure Steve Bruebaker singled you out to give you the worst tires possible.. How unfortunate for you on that warm up lap. Can I have an AMEN Lord, for sparing everyone but the all knowing XFACTOR from crashing on the Dunlop tires..Thank you LORD!
Lastly, somehow all your vast experience did not lead you to understand that AT DAYTONA.. regular tires with softer compounds often won't work. (hence the need for "DAYTONA TIRES") Had you been given the tire you wanted, you likely would have been bitching about the fact it chunked or worse, had a horrific crash when it did chunk. SO..harder tire will last but you need to take more care, especially on warm up laps (hence the term "warm up lap"). Lots and lots of other riders seem to grasp this important bit of info.
Bro, Im sorry your bike got trashed. Crashing is expensive and limits the amount of racing we get to do, and Im glad you did not get hurt. But you should learn to control the name calling when trying to make excuses for yourself.
The Dog leg at Daytona, sometimes it just kicks ya...
Quote from: Graham on October 25, 2009, 06:13:54 PM
The Dog leg at Daytona, sometimes it just kicks ya...
and it was a good kick lol
Quote from: MELK-MAN on October 25, 2009, 05:26:15 PM
My friend, everyone reading this thread sees you for the class act you are. It has NOTHING to do with my third consecutive #2 plate or if I'm a rider that gets lapped 3 times in every race. Furthermore, I DONT CARE to know you, but when you call people names on a public forum, prepare to be called out for what likely REALLY happened.
Right out of the gate you call a known tire distributor with YEARS of experience at Daytona a "big fat A-HOLE" on a public forum and spout "my tires suck, thats' why i crashed on the warm up lap" and form the conspiracy theory with another peson in this thread that Dunlop was just getting rid of old stock and put you in danger.. yet by some MIRACLE everyone else in the race managed to finish. My gosh, im getting my Sunday suit on right now as as i just realized it HAD to be divine intervention that saved all the other riders on that warm up lap.!!! im sure Steve Bruebaker singled you out to give you the worst tires possible.. How unfortunate for you on that warm up lap. Can I have an AMEN Lord, for sparing everyone but the all knowing XFACTOR from crashing on the Dunlop tires..Thank you LORD!
Lastly, somehow all your vast experience did not lead you to understand that AT DAYTONA.. regular tires with softer compounds often won't work. (hence the need for "DAYTONA TIRES") Had you been given the tire you wanted, you likely would have been bitching about the fact it chunked or worse, had a horrific crash when it did chunk. SO..harder tire will last but you need to take more care, especially on warm up laps (hence the term "warm up lap"). Lots and lots of other riders seem to grasp this important bit of info.
Bro, Im sorry your bike got trashed. Crashing is expensive and limits the amount of racing we get to do, and Im glad you did not get hurt. But you should learn to control the name calling when trying to make excuses for yourself.
are you just upset I've stood up to you on your comment towards me?
tire vendor with years of experience.....??? he sells them, not engineers them, and dealing with him is anything but a pleasure.....this is known by racers and the Dunlop guys. Why are you going to bat for him anyway? I also know why there is "Daytona" tires, thank you for telling me things I already knew. As for everyone reading this....Class act??? I call it like I see it, sorry if you don't like it. I should mention the 2 private messages I got regarding peoples opinions of you. I don't care to know you either, I'm glad we agree on something. Thank you for the kind words of my not getting hurt, and yes my bikes thrashed up pretty good, but we all know that's a risk we take when we throw a leg over one of these things.
I'm tiring of this thread.............we don't agree, we won't agree...............agreed?
Upset? Hardly. It's just sad you just never got the point I tried to get across or your just trying to backpedal after the fact. Im not sure which. Another point I have tried in vain to get across to you, is that I would have done the same thing no matter who you blamed your misfortune on.. in the manner you did it. Calling somebody a "big fat a-hole" and other things out in public like you did because you fell down on a warm up lap is just kinda wrong.
I can sleep quite well knowing my ethics come before my need to have every person on this and other forums like me..
sleep well then "MILKMAN" sleep well :sleeping2:
Wow! Greg rides Michelin tires too.
From personal experience, a non-Daytona rear will overheat and chunk in 5 laps. Happened to me last year when Steve thought I was going out in qualifying and I went out in the GTO race. My fault for not checking the compound before putting it on. Steve gave me another set.
A non-Daytona front will show no signs of bad wear and will critically fail. Happened to me this year when I left a non-Daytona front on for Thursday practice, 4 sessions, and Friday morning's practice, 2 sessions. In the 2nd session Friday morning, I crashed in the International Horseshoe because the front tire was flat. The tire had been over heating the the plys were coming apart. I was very lucky to have crashed where I did.
As for the tires sliding as quickly as they did: They were spinning a lot on the banking,especially the west banking which was in the shade. This causes a lot of wear on the left center of the tire and changes the profile of the tire very quickly. About 1.5 inches of the far left side of the tire doesn't get worn on the banking. That portion of the tire is used in Turns 1, the dogleg and 6. The difference in wear creates a high spot on the tire and reduces the contact patch. That make the slide more easily. The solution is to lean it over a bit more when everything is telling you not to or to pick it up a little bit and spin it.
As for Steve being an A-hole. Bah, he's been called worse. But he's got a knowledge of tires, tire wear, compounds, and riding that would benefit any rider regardless of brand. He's worked with the absolute best in the business.
The tire guys don't just sell tires. They work with their customers to get them faster so they can sell more tires. They have a knowledge of how they're made, why they're made that way, how to use tire warmers, what changes you can expect with different tire pressures, and can point you in a direction for suspension adjustments.
I felt the spin on the banking your talking about, I was never that confident with the fronts, even on Thurs. and Fri when it was much warmer, they just didn't stick, as my tires did all year, they just felt different. I told him (steve) and wasn't given a compound choice or tire pressure change suggestion, he just blew me off. I spend the same money just like the Experts do, for the tires, don't blow me off. The tire I crashed with had 6 laps on it, it actually felt damn good in my last race, which was 4 before I crashed. It showed no abnormal signs of wear. I've just never had an experience of no warning with a Dunlop, it was like I hit oil or antifreeze.
Where's the little emoticon with the little guy eating popcorn??? lol
You guys remember someone talking about cage matches and the $$$ going to the Red Flag Fund? I vote for a MMA match between XFACTOR & MELKMAN!
I digress.....please continue.
Quote from: XFACTOR on October 26, 2009, 10:30:27 AM
I felt the spin on the banking your talking about, I was never that confident with the fronts, even on Thurs. and Fri when it was much warmer, they just didn't stick, as my tires did all year, they just felt different. I told him (steve) and wasn't given a compound choice or tire pressure change suggestion, he just blew me off. I spend the same money just like the Experts do, for the tires, don't blow me off. The tire I crashed with had 6 laps on it, it actually felt damn good in my last race, which was 4 before I crashed. It showed no abnormal signs of wear. I've just never had an experience of no warning with a Dunlop, it was like I hit oil or antifreeze.
I would try to take it as a learning experience, that the Daytona tires are super hard and you have to give em extra time to warm up. I wish Michelin would bring a daytona specific tire. On a 600 the regular stuff works ok, but on a 1000 they have a tough time not chunking rubber that works AWESOmE everywhere else. Daytona is just that burtal on that small area just left of center. Even on the front tires pushing out of the big nascar turns. Now you know what to expect if you do return to Daytona.
Quote from: skiandclimb on October 26, 2009, 10:45:31 AM
Where's the little emoticon with the little guy eating popcorn??? lol
You guys remember someone talking about cage matches and the $$$ going to the Red Flag Fund? I vote for a MMA match between XFACTOR & MELKMAN!
I digress.....please continue.
Never happen, he would probably kick my little ass and that would be that. I never was much of a fighter. Especially since the shoulder surgery that i just had a week after VIR, from a dirt bike accident the week before vir.. i didn't make it better on the broken arm racing at VIR a few weeks back that is for sure. Should have skipped that event but we do crazy stuff. http://www.ebcbrakesblog.com/ scroll down a bit..
Im not pro Dunlop, im just pro don't call anyone bad names when there could be alot more to the situation. I would have done the same for lots of people or things.
I don't know why you crashed but there's several factors involved. The dogleg is a notorious turn because of the dip in the middle of it and a tendency to turn in too early for it making you run wide at the exit. Combine those factors with the hard left side of the tire and its a tricky corner that can catch you out real quickly.
At Daytona, you can't consider the left side warm until you've gone around the banking - that's what it's designed for.
Now, I've been coaching with the California Superbike School for several years. I'm not saying that to show you how superior I am but just so you know where I'm coming from when I say what I'm about to say. When students crash and they were going through a turn just like they normally did and lost the rear without warning the most probable cause is they were adding lean angle and throttle at the same time. Riders don't even know they're doing it and we pull them in and talk to them about it immediately.
I don't know why you crashed but I do know there's a lot of factors involved. You owe it to yourself as a racer to very critically evaluate each factor and see what its relationship to your crash was.
Throttle, were you on or off it?
Body position, were you hanging off with upper body to the inside or over the tank?
Rider Input, were tight on the bars?
Lean angle, were you set, adding, or picking the bike up?
Tires, were they cold, at operating temperature or over heated?
Surface, cold, hot, debris, fluids?
Visual, where were you looking, what reference point was next?
Line, were you on your line? did you hit the entry and mid-corner reference points you expected to hit?
You In General, were you up to speed yet?
Looking at your laptimes, you're a decent rider. Unless you break down your failures and SUCCESSES!!!! to the basics and know what you're really doing, you're not going to improve as quickly or safely as you want.
Quote from: MELK-MAN on October 26, 2009, 11:29:09 AM
Never happen, he would probably kick my little ass and that would be that. I never was much of a fighter.
if he doesnt know what you look like then just hire Anderson Silva to stand in your place. HA
I've taken CSS levels 1 and 2, learned ALOT.
I`ve been trying to figure what I did differently at that moment of the rear letting go and really can't come up with anything concrete, I don't think I hit the dip at the moment of traction loss, I had hit it so much harder earlier racing and felt the front almost go out.
Thanks for your input, I'll keep thinking........but my head got a bald spot from me scratching
Glad this thread got on a more constructive note. Thanks.
[quote author=XFACTOR link=topic=23792.msg192014#msg192014 date=12561850 I was going thru that turn in 4th wide open earlier.......this was the warm-up lap, I was half throttle in 3rd and next thing I new I was on my ass... :wtf: :jerkoff:
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You pretty much answered your own question as to why you lost the rear....maybe you just rolled off the throttle just a bit mid turn and or got of line and tried tighten it up on the exit.You would be surprised how fast your tires cool down from your pits to the track at daytona, lots of variables , just saying
I didn't loose the frt. when I crashed, it was the rear.
I had felt my frt. give a little in a race earlier, but didn't go down.
Quote from: XFACTOR on October 26, 2009, 03:22:46 PM
I didn't loose the frt. when I crashed, it was the rear.
I had felt my frt. give a little in a race earlier, but didn't go down.
A Brad was pointing out, you can loose the rear just rolling off the gas. especially on a big bike (more motor breaking) with cold tires, and hitting the dip in the dog leg. It may not even take the dip, just cold tires, rolling off hard, and making some input that causes the loss of traction.
Sorry you crashed , I think Greg was just saying with limited time around Daytona on different compond tires under the conditions it probaly had more to do with you then the tires.Dog leg can be tricky and not uncommon for riders to go down there.
And you never should bash a race vendor on a public forum and it doesnt look good for you to do that for the sake of existing sponsors or future sponsors.Small world in this racing community.And when a rider blames the tire's for a crash, other riders just say, "Yep, always the tires fault".How many tire vendors do you think read this?Think they want to give you a break on tires after reading this or even sponsor you, think about it.Would you want to sponsor someone that will go on the internet and bash you.
Quote from: Graham on October 26, 2009, 03:52:14 PM
Sorry you crashed , I think Greg was just saying with limited time around Daytona on different compond tires under the conditions it probaly had more to do with you then the tires.Dog leg can be tricky and not uncommon for riders to go down there.
And you never should bash a race vendor on a public forum and it doesnt look good for you to do that for the sake of existing sponsors or future sponsors.Small world in this racing community.And when a rider blames the tire's for a crash, other riders just say, "Yep, always the tires fault".How many tire vendors do you think read this?Think they want to give you a break on tires after reading this or even sponsor you, think about it.Would you want to sponsor someone that will go on the internet and bash you.
I'm sure being a virgin at Daytona didn't help me, but leavin me hanging when asking for tire choices and info didn't help either... I'm not expecting to get sponsored doing this, I'm 40yrs. old, my time has come and gone. I do this for competitive fun; if Brubaker treated me differently maybe I wouldn't have bashed him. Treat all paying customers the same, that's the right way to run a business, not picking and choosing who to help.
Reading back threw some of the post seems a couple of people are unhappy with dunlop.Well come try Michelin where everyone is treated the same and only offer 1 kind of tire...Good ones!!!!
I'll be going down to Jennings after getting the bike back together, I'll be trying ALL tire brands Michelin included.
THey sell michelin right at JGP as well, I would suggest the V front especially at a track like JGP where your on the side of the tire all the way around. THe rear is a toss up between the B and C.. That track really wears the left side, but if it is a cold day ya may need a B. An "A" rear, although the tire that Michelin built for temps below 70F , will just wear too fast to be worthwhile on a big bike.
And contingency? We get paid (cash) about a week or two after a race wekend like clockwork.
This a,b,c stuff is new to me. Is it that way for slicks too? do they pay out for slicks? or just DOTs
appreciatte the info.
Quote from: XFACTOR on October 26, 2009, 05:16:45 PM
This a,b,c stuff is new to me. Is it that way for slicks too? do they pay out for slicks? or just DOTs
appreciatte the info.
same for the new slicks, they pay out in every class but the amount can vary. Most racers using the Power1 tires just use DOT all the time.
Xfactor,
what is your full name?
why? is there going to be a hit out on me? :lmao:
Quote from: XFACTOR on October 26, 2009, 11:03:23 PM
why? is there going to be a hit out on me? :lmao:
not at all.. just seems almost every other person on these forums has thier name in the signature, personal info or somewhere.. whats the big deal about others knowing who ya are? 8) Youv'e got nothing to hide right? I may wanna come say hello or something sometime. :rollseyes:
I got nothing to hide, my screen-name/sig. has a long a long story behind it, been using it for 10+yrs on multiple kinds of forums.
It's not hard to find out who I am. I've said the races I been in, you now my number, it's easy to look up CCS results and see my name..................Mike DeVito #490
We've actually already spoken, very briefly; at Barber this year.
Quote from: XFACTOR on October 27, 2009, 08:07:49 AM
I got nothing to hide, my screen-name/sig. has a long a long story behind it, been using it for 10+yrs on multiple kinds of forums.
It's not hard to find out who I am. I've said the races I been in, you now my number, it's easy to look up CCS results and see my name..................Mike DeVito #490
We've actually already spoken, very briefly; at Barber this year.
Cool. I would guess I was pleasant?
yes you were, gave my buddy some suggestions on downshifting for turn 1, I wasn't in the conversation as much as he and you were.
calm down guys, everybody can express his/her opinion.
In any case is true, they always try to stick us with old tires.
Quote from: Candelata on November 01, 2009, 09:13:22 AM
calm down guys, everybody can express his/her opinion.
In any case is true, they always try to stick us with old tires.
whatever..thanks for bringing this back up with your 3rd post. Please take the time to read all the posts in a thread before coming up with a reply like that. I'm sorry you didn't "get it" either, and how do you justify coming on here and saying "it is true, they always try to stick us with old tires.".. I don't even ride those tires, but to say something like that is just RETARDED! If you read the entire thread, you may understand why i would say what i did and I will explain it one more time. Calling people "big fat a-hole" is UNCOOL, and it is USUALLY not just the tires fault when someone crashes. Modern road race tires are even a few years old are more capable than almost ANYONE that posts regularly on this discussion forum. Riders crash riders..
Also.. there is a bit more to this "tire situation" that has been posted, but that is between that tire guy, Xfactor and those that know about that situation. 8)
Candelata , Your reply in the PBIR thread was just .. well, silly. You honestly think they PURPOSELY designed a track to hurt people? ::) Please read all the posts and see the intellegent and constructive responses many people made, THEN form your opinion ( that you are entirely welcome to have)..Thank you.