How many of you have gotten this BS excuse of not having a Contigency paper handed in when "teched", so sorry we can't cut you a check.
I do the same thing ever single race ( CCS sponsor and Contigency form) and yet two races this year I'm getting screwed out of my deserved winnings. I've got the stickers on my bike, I go thru tech, AND ask if everything is done correctly, I see them check that is is, and my form gets handed in.... I then race...., one weekend I won two GP's (that's $200 each) the other a second and a third ($175 and $150). The weeks go by and nothing. I email...I call and I'm told "no, we have no form from you" "you didn't hand one in".
My question is this WHAT THE HELL HAPPENS after I hand in my papers and push my bike away? Where do the papers go? Does someone use it as a napkin? perhaps to wipe their mouth. Do they use it to blow their noses? Do they make paper airplanes and toss them around? Maybe they play table football with them. I would like to know!!!! I do the same routine paperwork EVERY FREAKIN' RACE, but yet two races at 2 different tracks, I'm getting the shaft.
CCS has got a real problem here and needs to address it, I even had my GF come with me to tech for a witness and take a picture of me handing in my forms as a joke after I got stiffed the first time.....and it happened again !!!
Come on CCS BUCK UP!! and pay money thats rightfully earned!!!
I have not had this happen to me, but I've heard of the same thing happening to other people, so you're not the only one.
Frustrating when they tell you in the riders meeting that there's thousands of unclaimed contingency dollars out there, and then lose the paperwork...
Good luck getting anywhere with CCS.
I lost out on purse money this year, to CCS's error.
After two months of getting nowhere, I gave up.
I gave up on the purse money, I gave up on CCS and I stopped ASRA and TC racing.
CCS is the one that lost out.
In the end, I do not feel it was Kevin's problem.
But the staff that made it CCS's problem, sure made it Kevin's Problem.
Trust me...
You are not alone here.
:preachon:
XIII
They always cut me a check right there when i pickup up my plaques...
I had a similar problem with not getting payout from VIR team challenge. I talked to Phil Smyrna and he said contact Eric Kelcher as he was in charge of the payouts. I sent him an email twice and never got a response. Phil even called him to try and get an answer and still nothing. I love racing with CCS and ASRA but I am alittle disappointed with this.
Quote from: red900 on October 03, 2009, 08:05:36 AM
They always cut me a check right there when i pickup up my plaques...
They don't do that anymore Dustin. At least all of 2009 they haven't. Now we all know how much you made this year! LOL!
I got a phone call two days after the fact from CCS confirming that they had the paperwork and were sending the check out, and they confirmed the amount, which was correct. Two weeks later I had the check. I was rather impressed with that part of it. Now, as far as tracking TC results and getting them correct before the results are made final, ... well, that is a different story.
I see that I'm not alone on this subject. As recomended by another racer. There needs to be a confirmation/reciept system. Stamp, seal, etc. the pink sheet we end up with after getting teched, that way we have PROOF that we did our part of the process.
This is total BS and it shouldn't happen
Ya, im talking about 07.... Why change a good thing....
yeah, It would be nice to get a check, right there (instead of waiting over a month) that way you could find out they lost your contigency form right there and hopefully straighten it out at the track
I'm still waiting on Barber GP money....it ain't much but every little bit helps
from August? thats ridiculous. have you called, to ask what's the hold up?
I emailed but haven't called yet.....I love the people of CCS....but some of the processes are a little less then stream lined.
what about if we do 2 contigency forms, take them both to tech and have the tech person who took them sign and date the bottom of one so you have a reciept? you think that would work.
I emailed ccs about summit money. They did reply, about 1 week later. They said the check would be in the mail within the next week or two.
what about if we do 2 contigency forms, take them both to tech and have the tech person who took them sign and date the bottom of one so you have a reciept? you think that would work.
I think that would work.....but with a stamp or seal, so there is no accusations of fudging it
Seems to be a reasonable request for a receipt of some sort. Do you think that is not why they are not paying? I'm surprised no one has asked where the $$ is. It could be that the organization is having issues. Shouldn't be shocking to anyone. Higher costs, less riders. CCS needs to rethink their business plan and prove to the riders that they are trying to work it out. The purse money should be in an account before the race, unless a race is protested checks should be awarded at the end of the event. If for some reason they do not have the money until we all pay entry fees post date the checks (not sure legality of this) until credit cards clear etc. I would not hand out checks until late Sunday. This may generate a few extra $$ for CCS and vendors since people are going to wait for their money. It needs to be a conscious effort, at this point I here nothing positive about CCS in the paddock, more riders talking about less racing next year, vendors not making enough money to make it worth the time. No riders, no vendors, no CCS. I'm fairly convinced it has very little to do with lost forms.
Quote from: XFACTOR on October 08, 2009, 12:20:15 AM
what about if we do 2 contigency forms, take them both to tech and have the tech person who took them sign and date the bottom of one so you have a reciept? you think that would work.
I think that would work.....but with a stamp or seal, so there is no accusations of fudging it
the stamp thing could work but you would have to convince CCS to make a stamp and use it.
Im still waiting on Unlimited GP money from Summit in July...
2008!
I called and was told the Barber check was in the mail....They were still processing VIR.
then we should all make a point to send in a suggestion for next year, for some sort of reciept for contigency paperwork at tech....I know I am :ahhh:
i thought they only paid money in Unlimited GP did that change this year?
purse money can be won in any of the "GP" races
scratch that, I'M WRONG, and forgot to fix this post.
but I'm referring to UNLIMITED GP anyway.
Quote from: XFACTOR on October 09, 2009, 11:30:26 AM
purse money can be won in any of the "GP" races
You really have a good "rant" thread going here too Xfactor.
Your
wrong.. No money paid in any GP class except Unlimited GP (and it is sad they pay Am riders cash). FL region CCS pays money in gp classes but ONLY to Expert riders. Get your paperwork in correctly, get verification from a tech official everything is in order before you roll out, check your result sheet, don't expect money or contingency awards in classes that dont pay, and you should be all good. Check the result sheet next time to verify your sponsors are listed next to your name. That is the #1 cause of riders not getting awards.
wow, are you attracted to me? I feel like I'm being stalked
#1. I race Unlimited GP, so know your facts before opening your mouth
#2. All paperwork is always handed in same way everytime, that is what I'm complaining about, they (CCS) say I didn't hand in my forms....they lost them....twice, and I do ask at tech if everything is correct and check to see if they mark off things correctly..... and I'm not the only one that has complained about this.
#3. So when they "mis-place" my contingency form, my results don't get sent to the paying companies of those products I use.
#4. why shouldn't Amateurs get paid? and they don't get cash, you get a check. usually months later.
wow, you are something else "MILKMAN"
I answered a couple other posts from other racers, you might want check those and see if there is anything you can "think" you find wrong
Haven't seen many people rant on Melka, he seems to be one of the most helpful and friendly guys on the forums from what I can tell.
Btw, still waiting on checks from almost two months ago, hope I don't get screwed out of a few hundred too.
Quote from: f3racer on October 07, 2009, 12:44:17 PM
what about if we do 2 contigency forms, take them both to tech and have the tech person who took them sign and date the bottom of one so you have a reciept? you think that would work.
Would really be up to CCS to accept that. And for a tech inspector to do that for you.
Quote from: R1Racer99 on October 26, 2009, 03:07:42 AM
Haven't seen many people rant on Melka, he seems to be one of the most helpful and friendly guys on the forums from what I can tell.
Btw, still waiting on checks from almost two months ago, hope I don't get screwed out of a few hundred too.
I'm not ranting on the guy, he seems to have singled me out. I'm sure he is helpful and knowledgeable, he has alot of experience.....but the "I'm right, I know what happened" attitude is growing tiresome. Instead of adding to the idea of getting confirmation of your forms being handed in, he instead tries to "find" what I did wrong
I have never even met you as far as i know you may be a super cool guy in person, but in your 36 total posts.. most of what you do is complain about someone or the very organization that puts on the races for you for things that you MAY have had something to do with yourself. You placed NO blame on yourself for crashing at Daytona, ONLY the "big fat a-hole " tire guy and the "damn dunlops". And if your going to quote me, please do it accurately.
You said "purse money can be won in ANY gp races" (notice i really quoted exactly what you said).. that was wrong and once made aware of that you did fix that post. Thank you, and yes, im quite aware Unlimited gp pays for both ex and am.
I just found it facinating that you managed to get ALL kinds of people riled up and bashing CCS with your initial post of this thread. IT IS POSSIBLE many of these riders are doing something wrong, from filling out paper work wrong, not filling out the correct forms at the beginning of the season, looking to get contingency when there were not enough riders make a LAP ( you do know that for tire money there needs to be a certain number of riders complete a lap right?).. etc. I have seen it done. Riders say they will get the stickers for the bike but don't so the form was not signed off on by a tech official. Often there were enough riders on the grid SHEET but not enough made a lap (no tire money), they though this or that..
And it is possible that the paperwork went missing and CCS screwed up, but not on a regular basis with the same rider. The contingency sponsors ALSO are to blame sometimes. CCS just fills out the forms after the race and then sends the results sheet to the various contingency sponsors. If the sponsor doesn't pay out, that is not the fault of CCS. Go bitch at the sponsor. I did last year with Brembo.. Fred at YoYodyne was just overwhelmed and took over 6 months to get any payouts sent.
Xfactor, (would like to at least know your name). There is an entire thread on "AM riders getting paid" .. do a search for that thread and post up your opinion on why AM riders should be paid money.
Hope this helps in some way.
Announcement Regarding Sponsor Listing
Attention! It is your responsibility as the rider to insure that your sponsors are listed correctly on the results AT THE EVENT. We have no idea who your sponsors are, so you must help us to make certain they are correct on the final results at the event.
As of June 4, 2009 we will no longer correct your sponsor listing on results received from an event. Please remember that sponsor forms must be turned into REGISTRATION by 9:00am on the day of your race as stated on the form, no where else. If you turn the form in at Tech, it will not be entered.
We will continue to correct and update sponsors that are sent to the office prior to the pre-entry cutoff for each event.
Thought this might help with some of the issues
Quote from: Graham on October 26, 2009, 11:52:13 AM
Announcement Regarding Sponsor Listing
Attention! It is your responsibility as the rider to insure that your sponsors are listed correctly on the results AT THE EVENT. We have no idea who your sponsors are, so you must help us to make certain they are correct on the final results at the event.
As of June 4, 2009 we will no longer correct your sponsor listing on results received from an event. Please remember that sponsor forms must be turned into REGISTRATION by 9:00am on the day of your race as stated on the form, no where else. If you turn the form in at Tech, it will not be entered.
We will continue to correct and update sponsors that are sent to the office prior to the pre-entry cutoff for each event.
Thought this might help with some of the issues
But Brad, he says he is doing all the paperwork right and it is all CCS's fault.. :thumb:
do you understand? THEY LOST MY PAPERWORK!!!!!! THEY SAID IT WASN'T HANDED IN. .............TWICE !!! in 3 races
Did you bring your sponsor form to REGISTRATION by 9:00am on the day of your race ? I just kept hearing you turned it in to tech.
Post the picture of you handing your paper work in tech...we will all see if we can get you your money.
yes. the money that is in question is the pay-out from Unl. GP, that is paid out by CCS. All my other races I have gotten a check, two races Summit Pt and Barber they said I didn't turn anything in. I do the same thing everytime, why are 2 missing?
Are you listed on the results in those paying pisitions, if so forms shouldnt matter then.
oh yes, I'm published as winning 2 at Summit pt. and taking two 3rds at Barber. I've called and been shot down because "no paperwork was turned in"
What are the dates of the events you are talking about and is your race # 490 or 990?
Don't you turn in the sponsor listing form once per season and then the contingency form goes to tech? He's probably talking about the contingency form.
my number is #490
race dates July 4th-5th Summit pt. doulbe sprint weekend; 2 firsts in Unlimited GP
Aug. 15-16th Barber double sprint weekend; 3rd place both races Unl. GP.......on the second day there is no Unl. GP results posted on the CCS results page
did you get contingency from anything else during the weekends you say you didn't get paid? if so, the forms would have been submitted as you contend and that could be your proof. Also, what is the minimum rider requirement for the ULGP to get payouts if there is a minimum?
They have to have the forms turned in for payouts....W-9 thing and if you owe the IRS the money, it will go to them.Well if your in the money just check to make sure CCS has everything before they leave on sunday.Never hurts to double check i guess.
less than 15 they pay to 5th i think.
Quote from: MELK-MAN on October 26, 2009, 02:56:43 PM
did you get contingency from anything else during the weekends you say you didn't get paid? if so, the forms would have been submitted as you contend and that could be your proof. Also, what is the minimum rider requirement for the ULGP to get payouts if there is a minimum?
No, no other payouts. It's like I said, I do the same thing evry race weekend with the forms, but these 2 weekends they say I didn't hand anything in
Same rider field as always, in fact I think Jersey had less and I got paid for those races. Don't know of minium required, that wasn't the reason I was given for not getting paid
hmm last year they didn't pay UNLGP on twin sprint weekends.
not sure if that is still true this year.
I got it for the other twin sprint weekends..........Carolina, and NJ
Damn Mike tough crowd.
lol.......it's all good
i came in 5th sunday in ulgp at Barber aug 16 and got a check. saw the results posted at one time.
good luck.
tim
am#222
yeah, i have the results, they (CCS) agree on my 3rd place finish, but say I didn't hand in any paperwork; and that was after they told me I didn't at Summit, 2 races earlier......don't you think I would make damn sure I ASKED and HANDED in paperwork to the correct people?, I even had 2 witnesses when getting tech'd. And in-between those two races (Summit and Barber) I won at Jersey and got fifth, got paid for that race weekend. strange........somethings got to be done to get confirmation of handing in your contigency paperwork. I think the carbon copy is good idea.
I never got paid from NJMP.