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Title: PBIR, how easy to learn?
Post by: JCP636 on September 27, 2009, 06:49:42 PM
I'm doing my first CCS racing this weekend at Palm Beach. I've never been there before, just wondering how easy it is to learn and if there's any tips or tricks you guys have to help me establish a fast race line? Thanks a lot.
Title: Re: PBIR, how easy to learn?
Post by: roadracer162 on September 27, 2009, 08:16:22 PM
For me it was very difficult to get to speed compared to my competition. Very long back straight, very smooth pavement, astonishing grip but also wears the heck out of tires. Watch out for the transitions of pavement over the seams-they will give you a little scare only in T5. There were little reference points except for the safety cones used for brake markers. There were no ruts or patches to gauge where you are. Mostly it was depth perception.

Havin said that I do believe that it is a little easier now with some rubber laid onto the track, but don't be fooled by the marks left by the cars. Be ready to get really good at right turns and you may as well get another set of knee sliders after this weekend. Now I see you said it is your first race weekend so I am not sure if all of what I have said applies, so just go out and have some fun. Smoothness pays off at this track like many other tracks, but maybe a little more here.

Mark
Title: Re: PBIR, how easy to learn?
Post by: JCP636 on September 27, 2009, 09:37:36 PM
Thanks for the input. I'm a mid-pack advanced track day rider and have done a couple small races up north here so hopefully I can get myself around ok. I have almost new klucky pucks on the new suit I just picked up and a set of brand new chicken hawk sliders so I'm good. :)
Title: Re: PBIR, how easy to learn?
Post by: roadracer162 on September 27, 2009, 11:34:51 PM
Well. when you compare a track day with the Florida Region race weekend I believe you come out ahead with the race weekend. For $130 you get a full day of practice on Saturday-usually about 7 20 minute or so sessions. Then on Sunday you get morning practice and your race. Each race is $55 no matter how much or how little you decide to race. Don't forget there is a $30 gate fee for the 2 days.

Saturday will be like any other track day. Sunday is where the butterflies begin for me.

Mark
Title: Re: PBIR, how easy to learn?
Post by: JCP636 on September 28, 2009, 10:01:37 AM
How beneficial do you think it would be to do the practice day on friday? Would the practice on Saturday be enough time to learn the track and get up to speed? I'd like to get through the weekend on one set of tires and have them still be decent on Sunday if possible. After two trackdays my rears are usually cooked, and I don't have any old tires with any life left on them.
Title: Re: PBIR, how easy to learn?
Post by: roadracer162 on September 28, 2009, 06:05:10 PM
More set time is always beneficial, if it is worth it? Thats a different question. The Friday track day isn't the same as the Saturday practice. Saturday provides more time to get things sorted. I believe Saturday will be enough to get you going but don't expect to burn up the track on Sunday unless you are a fast learner. I don't believe one set will last you the entire Friday, Saturday and Sunday and have it any good for Sunday-also depending on what brand you run. I usually get about 100 laps out of my tires but that is on a lightweight bike.
Title: Re: PBIR, how easy to learn?
Post by: d-wire on September 29, 2009, 09:37:49 AM
The track is very simple IMHO.  Very easy to learn.  You want to double apex or late apex turn 4.  Fast straight, not to many connecting corners.  Basic
Title: Re: PBIR, how easy to learn?
Post by: roadracer162 on September 29, 2009, 10:23:19 AM
But that's why you are the lap record holder Sean. For mere mortals like me those things don't come easy. Good job riding Sean.
Title: Re: PBIR, how easy to learn?
Post by: DEVINC on September 29, 2009, 12:38:10 PM
I don't like T4. What Mark said about ref. points. You will notice the seams in the pavement. Those are the best ref. points for my lines. I do feel when I go over the seams in the pavement in other turns besides 5 but that's me.
Title: Re: PBIR, how easy to learn?
Post by: ScubaSteve on September 29, 2009, 12:47:59 PM
Quote from: d-wire on September 29, 2009, 09:37:49 AM
The track is very simple IMHO.  Very easy to learn.  You want to double apex or late apex turn 4.  Fast straight, not to many connecting corners.  Basic

I agree!
Title: Re: PBIR, how easy to learn?
Post by: DEVINC on September 29, 2009, 04:12:22 PM
JCP, what races will you run? I'm assuming you have a Kaw. 636. heavyweight SB ???
Title: Re: PBIR, how easy to learn?
Post by: JCP636 on October 01, 2009, 05:08:52 PM
Yes I have a 636. I was planning on doing middleweight supersport and superbike.
Title: Re: PBIR, how easy to learn?
Post by: JCP636 on October 02, 2009, 10:22:05 AM
Do they have friday night registration? If so what time?
Title: Re: PBIR, how easy to learn?
Post by: roadracer162 on October 02, 2009, 10:27:16 AM
No. The Friday track day is hosted by PBIR and you can register for the track day on Friday. The Florida CCS officials will be there on Saturday morning for registration for the racing weekend.
Title: Re: PBIR, how easy to learn?
Post by: JCP636 on October 02, 2009, 10:34:12 AM
cool thanks a lot
Title: Re: PBIR, how easy to learn?
Post by: DEVINC on October 02, 2009, 11:50:35 AM
your am. right? what color and # is your bike? i guess we will be starting relatively close in the back of mwss as i will only be there sunday and have not preregistered
Title: Re: PBIR, how easy to learn?
Post by: JCP636 on October 03, 2009, 12:49:49 AM
I haven't gotten my number yet. I have unpainted white fairings and a blue tank. Black and blue Kobe leathers.
Title: Re: PBIR, how easy to learn?
Post by: JCP636 on October 03, 2009, 12:44:33 PM
888 is my number
Title: Re: PBIR, how easy to learn?
Post by: DEVINC on October 03, 2009, 12:46:28 PM
do you have yellow for your number plates??? or are you expert.
Title: Re: PBIR, how easy to learn?
Post by: firefightergarcia on October 04, 2009, 12:14:08 AM
good luck