Oh Noooooo!
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Aug/080821atf.htm
You're late... :biggrin:
That's nothin', Hayden's going to Ducati... :cheers:
That's nothin', I'm racin' a Buell. :banghead: :kicknuts: :spank: :wah: :whine: :ahhh: :biggrin:
Buell :boink:
Quote from: Soop on August 22, 2008, 10:36:39 AM
That's nothin', I'm racin' a Buell. :banghead: :kicknuts: :spank: :wah: :whine: :ahhh: :biggrin:
Ruh Roh...
Did I mention I just got a GSXR600? :biggrin:
Quote from: dylanfan53 on August 22, 2008, 11:17:03 AM
Did I mention I just got a GSXR600? :biggrin:
It's like Freaky Friday...
Quote from: Soop on August 22, 2008, 10:36:39 AM
That's nothin', I'm racin' a Buell. :banghead: :kicknuts: :spank: :wah: :whine: :ahhh: :biggrin:
You're racing a Buell?! Either he's really fast or your slipping.
I slipped a long time ago. :lmao:
Quote from: dylanfan53 on August 22, 2008, 11:17:03 AM
Did I mention I just got a GSXR600? :biggrin:
Hey Don
Is that the new race bike? Didn't your last middle weight attempt end up unplesant?
LOL
Quote from: dylanfan53 on August 22, 2008, 10:33:51 AM
That's nothin', Hayden's going to Ducati... :cheers:
That's nuthin' - Xaus is going to BMW!
Quote from: EX_#76 on August 22, 2008, 01:31:28 PM
Hey Don
Is that the new race bike? Didn't your last middle weight attempt end up unplesant?
LOL
I didn't say I was going to race it. I'm just going to sit on it in the garage and make raspberry noises. I play air guitar really well too. :biggrin: Can't talk now, Packers are on in 10 minutes...
:preachon: GOOD! I hope this is a result of DMG taking over and applying the same ZERO tolerance cheating policy that they do in Nascar! Maybe, just maybe, actually following the rules will trickle down to the club level as well. :cheers: Here to wishful thinking! :preachon:
AMA Pro - Superbike - Friday Practice results
Pos. Rider Team Bike Time
1 Mathew Mladin American Suzuki Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:24.256
2 Ben Spies American Suzuki Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:24.516
3 Jason DiSalvo Yamaha Motor Corp Yamaha YZF-R1 1:25.141
4 Tommy Hayden American Suzuki Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:25.331
5 Eric Bostrom Yamaha Motor Corp Yamaha YZF-R1 1:25.363
6 Aaron Yates Jordan Suzuki Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:25.659
7 Jamie Hacking Monster Kawasaki Kawasaki ZX-10R 1:25.689
8 Roger Hayden Monster Kawasaki Kawasaki ZX-10R 1:25.919
9 Neil Hodgson American Honda Honda CBR1000RR 1:26.513
10 Miguel DuHamel American Honda Honda CBR1000RR 1:26.543
11 Geoff May Jordan Suzuki Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:26.687
12 Matt Lynn Corona Honda Honda CBR1000RR 1:26.706
13 Ben Thompson Millennium/KWS Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:27.848
14 Joshua Day Yamaha YZF-R1 1:27.996
15 R Pietri Roadracing World Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:28.120
16 Ryan Elleby Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:28.180
17 Chris Ulrich Roadracing World Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:28.199
18 Scott Jensen Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:28.655
19 Kurtis Roberts Celtic Racing Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:28.711
20 D Anthony Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:28.814
http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=33916
Quote from: resuscit8u on August 29, 2008, 06:10:36 PM
http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=33916
Nice! Accountabiity.
I wonder how long it takes them to build a engine. Wasn't Mr. Rashid doing some tech work for AMA this year?
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=33920
Jim still is. They have lots of engines. Common practice since the early 90's.
DMG's explanation on the inspections:
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=33935
Quote from: GSXR RACER MIKE on August 31, 2008, 12:13:31 AM
DMG's explanation on the inspections:
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=33935
The more I read about this and DMG in general, the more I'm thinking I won't be watching AMA Racing next year no matter what.
Why? There are rules. They should apply. The people running things are motorcycle racing industry veterans. If there is any success in AMA racing, a good portion of it came from what they did in years past.
Quote from: Soop on August 31, 2008, 08:47:50 AM
Why? There are rules. They should apply.
Because the more I read the more I get the feeling that this is about more than "applying the rules"...
I am glad they are applying the rules to the factory teams.
Suzuki should be embrassed that they got caught using non production cranks. :spank: The rules say production - those parts should be very easy for the factory team to get. The factories can cry all they want. :whine: All privateers that were checked were legal. :thumb:
Maybe some teams will pack up and leave since they will not dictate the way things go, but it appears that the rules will be the same for all competitors.
Quote from: Russell2566 on August 31, 2008, 12:32:18 PM
Because the more I read the more I get the feeling that this is about more than "applying the rules"...
It's also one of the few times they have had someone from inside the teams in tech. But what they have found has been obvious. The tech inspector called the teams before Daytona and warned them. After that, it's up to the teams to comply with the rules.
^^^^I'm with Soopid^^^. If you wanted to turn it off you're too late. They're finally cleaning it up a bit.
On the broadcast during race 2 I think it was ralph said "oh these are basically what you would buy off the showroom floor" my wife's eyes were rolling as much as mine were.
Furthermore, I am excited to watch next year. As racers I feel that they should welcome a new challenge, and be willing to step up to meet the expectations of the racing community. I think that there might be more to it then what we know, cause post race interview Mladin said"they can take my wins but they cant take my heart, my kids, or my family". Which trying to put myself in his state of mind would tell me that I dont think he was either aware of it or it didnt help the performance in his opinion. If C.C.S. made it a rule that all competitors shall be wearing tutu's, I would try to be the fastest guy wearing a tutu.
Quote from: GIGOLO on September 01, 2008, 08:26:45 AM
If C.C.S. made it a rule that all competitors shall be wearing tutu's, I would try to be the fastest guy wearing a tutu.
Just thinking about that will give you nightmares! :lmao:
Quote from: GIGOLO on September 01, 2008, 08:26:45 AM
On the broadcast during race 2 I think it was ralph said "oh these are basically what you would buy off the showroom floor" my wife's eyes were rolling as much as mine were.
Yeah, stock :rollseyes: ... Except for all the stuff that isn't even close and according to MJ even he can't buy. Ralphie has his head up his @$$ :spank: if he thinks racers are going to buy that load of stuff he's shoveling. It was interesting to see Spies pass DuHamel on power like he was tied down. That rocket fuel the Yosh team burns must be some kinda power making cocktail. :wtf:
Now, what was Hodgson's final set up? He was going back to stock...
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=33911
Did they ever rule on Mladin's appeal yet??
No.
so they lightened and polished the crank then nitrided it to cover it up but forgot to duplicate the numbers then had the balls to put them back in for the next race if that was NHRA you would get a few months vacation if i was the lead tech i would have let them race then torn them down in post race and disquilfed them again. what i can't understand there's not much horsepower in the crank unless their trying to make live at higher rpm their hp has to be in the cams and head you know those stock cam regrinds that even mike can't buy. i could only hope he get's a laugh out of this . can't wait till next year maybe i can stay awake through the whole race
I don't think they nitrided it, but there are several surface treatments out there.
As for putting it back in? Nah, they just had a lot of motors set up that way from Suzuki Japan or where ever they might have been coming from.
Either way, it's funny...
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/2008/usasuperbike/atl/3/SunATL28_1.htm
still dave they must have thought they would not get torn down again if we have this discusion would you think they would have talked about it on the way home maybe they have a spie in their camp
Jim warned everyone to bring legal bikes at the beginning of they year. And the new AMA folks have stood up to the pressures from the distribution/manufacturer end. I think it's great. It's pretty much funny that they got caught again at the next event.
Now, to take a page from NASCAR's Cup Series, you know that the punishment for such flagrant, continuing, blatant disregard for the rules would have been dealt with in more crushing form. But the AMA rules don't have much for teeth...yet. Wait until next year.
We may not even have a superbike class next year to worry about............
I can't go along with your rationale, Dave. The factory bikes have been vague incarnations of their oem counterparts for some time. It's the AMA's fault, they created that monster.
Did anyone really think Yosh was ordering their crankshafts from Bike Bandit?? Every part on every factory bike of any brand is special in some way.
The AMA has let this go on forever and every factory team does it. Why did Yosh get singled out? And more specifically, why Mladin? It's pretty clear that AMA/DMG has an axe to grind.
The AMA has two categories of violation, Syfan admitted that the AMA was making no claims that the crank enhanced performance, so why the disqualifications? Why wasn't this a category two violation?
If the results at Road Atlanta were any indication, the cranks weren't the magic bullet.
Exactly......now they have denied the appeal and made themselves look silly by pulling the plug on Mladin who had enough balls to speak his mind on the whole AMA/DMG situation.
Can we say CMG?? Communist Motorsports Group? Ve vill tell you vat to run, vat tires to use, vat fuel to use, how many horses you can have and how to speak ottervise ve spank you but goot!
Quote from: weggieman on September 06, 2008, 01:47:29 PM
Can we say CMG?? Communist Motorsports Group? Ve vill tell you vat to run, vat tires to use, vat fuel to use, how many horses you can have and how to speak ottervise ve spank you but goot!
Does seem to work well in WSB.
I'm not a mechanic so I ask,
Would that modified crank make his bike faster?
And with those yosh suzukis, why do they just make all the other factory bikes look like they are standing still?
Is it the equip? The rider? Bike setup? or a combination of all three??
Quote from: cbr600_mj on September 06, 2008, 07:41:27 PM
I'm not a mechanic so I ask,
Would that modified crank make his bike faster?
And with those yosh suzukis, why do they just make all the other factory bikes look like they are standing still?
Is it the equip? The rider? Bike setup? or a combination of all three??
Not necessarily faster but maybe more reliable at higher RPM's.
When was the last time any serious racer added any non standard part that didn't improve performance in one way or another?
Of course the crank helped or they would have left it stock. If it wasn't stock they cheated, period.
The AMA look like bullies and could/should have handled it differently but it's still not okay to cheat "just a little", which apparently has been tolerated in the past.
I'm glad that AMA/DMG is applying the rules, whether the offending parts offer a real advantage or not, and I'm no fan of Mladin, but after VIR the fact that (even though they asked for valves from all three Yosh bikes) they only inspected the #6 bike's crank seems a bit strange. I know that they claim that they did so because he finished first, but with the championship on the line (Spies probably would have won it anyway, but I hate for it to be decided in this way rather than on the track), and with no other teams being really close, then I would think that when they extended the inspection to the crank that they would have done it for at least all of the Yosh bikes (as they then later did at Road Atlanta), whether under the guise of being an inspection of all the Yosh bikes or of being an inspection of the top 3 finishers. That they only went further with Mladin's bike seems strange. At least at Road Atlanta they started by opening all three bikes' side covers and then proceeding with only the #6 and #22 bikes based on what they saw from that preliminary inspection.
I just hope that Spies does well enough at Laguna that, even if Mladin's VIR wins hadn't been DQ'd, Spies would have won the title anyway. Spies winning would have been the likely outcome anyway, but it ain't over until the Fat Lady Sings (or, in this case, DMG sings), and I hope that he puts up the points that would have been necessary had the DQ not happened just so that the championship will not have been decided by DMG instead of on the track.
Even in WSBK you know that between about 3-4 riders who is going to win. So I dont think that DMG is going to be able to have a completely level playing field. I hope the superbike class isnt regarded as the "restrictor plate races" that NASCAR currently runs. I like the idea that the best rider should win the race, and not the rider with the greatest financial support. Even still given level playing field I still would expect Mladin either winning or finishing well. Furthermore, look at Tommy he is on essentially the same bike as Spies and Mladin and he cant hang. What would be really cool (but probably would never happen) is have a race once a year kindof how IROC is in NASCAR, set-up a handful of 600's identical and have the top three finishers from each class race against each other. Or a couple times a year with a point structure. So if anybody reads this and likes my idea, you can make my royalty checks out to GIGOLO Inc.
Oh and kl3640 sorry about not sticking around to help you last sunday, I had way too much to drink saturday night. I felt you probably wouldn't like vomit in your pit stall.
Quote from: GIGOLO on September 07, 2008, 02:57:41 AMEven in WSBK you know that between about 3-4 riders who is going to win. So I dont think that DMG is going to be able to have a completely level playing field. I hope the superbike class isnt regarded as the "restrictor plate races" that NASCAR currently runs. I like the idea that the best rider should win the race, and not the rider with the greatest financial support. Even still given level playing field I still would expect Mladin either winning or finishing well. Furthermore, look at Tommy he is on essentially the same bike as Spies and Mladin and he cant hang.
Especially on bikes (due to their light weight compared to a car), the only truely close to fair playing field (as far as power goes) is 'power-to-weight ratio' racing - like is supposed to happen for AMA / DMG's 'Daytona Superbike' class. Ironically 'power-to-weight ratio' racing is the same thing proposed for ASRA for '09 and so many other types of racing org's have gone to, or are going to, as well. This way it doesn't really matter what the hell is in your engine, you might have more durable parts, but powerwise your going to be on a level playing field.
When I see a rider who is lighter in weight than the other people they are competing against I can't help but think how much different the outcome would be if 'power-to-weight ratio' was used in their races, they most likely would be further back in the pack if it were a truely level playing field powerwise. When I see a heavier rider running in the front group I think how much different the outcome would be if 'power-to-weight ratio' was used in their races, because in all reality they're a better rider by just being able to keep up while under-powered, given a level playing field that rider would most likely be able to prove their the better rider and run away with the win.
I might be biased with the power to weight approach cause im a fat guy, so there is no trying to sway my opinion.
Quote from: GIGOLO on September 07, 2008, 02:57:41 AM
Even in WSBK you know that between about 3-4 riders who is going to win. So I dont think that DMG is going to be able to have a completely level playing field. I hope the superbike class isnt regarded as the "restrictor plate races" that NASCAR currently runs. I like the idea that the best rider should win the race, and not the rider with the greatest financial support. Even still given level playing field I still would expect Mladin either winning or finishing well. Furthermore, look at Tommy he is on essentially the same bike as Spies and Mladin and he cant hang. What would be really cool (but probably would never happen) is have a race once a year kindof how IROC is in NASCAR, set-up a handful of 600's identical and have the top three finishers from each class race against each other. Or a couple times a year with a point structure. So if anybody reads this and likes my idea, you can make my royalty checks out to GIGOLO Inc.
Oh and kl3640 sorry about not sticking around to help you last sunday, I had way too much to drink saturday night. I felt you probably wouldn't like vomit in your pit stall.
I agree GIGOLO, but with a twist: What if they had to do something kind of like what they do with the Race of Champions in Europe, where they take the top NASCAR, F1, WRC, etc champs and then have each of them drive ALL of the classes. How cool would it be to see RC, Rossi, Campbell, and the like have to do MX, Road Racing, SuperMoto, Rally/Enduro? Maybe even throw Trials or EnduroCross in there for fun!
We all know that Rossi would be competitive in every class, remember the F1thing
Quote from: GIGOLO on September 07, 2008, 12:46:34 PM
We all know that Rossi would be competitive in every class, remember the F1thing
Probably...kind of like Schumi being fast his first time on two-wheels...but it would still be cool to see! Now THAT I would love to see...Schumi vs. Rossi in an F1 car, a MotoGP bike, a WRC car, and an MX or Enduro bike.
Quote from: GSXR RACER MIKE on September 07, 2008, 11:23:32 AM
Especially on bikes (due to their light weight compared to a car), the only truely close to fair playing field (as far as power goes) is 'power-to-weight ratio' racing - like is supposed to happen for AMA / DMG's 'Daytona Superbike' class. Ironically 'power-to-weight ratio' racing is the same thing proposed for ASRA for '09 and so many other types of racing org's have gone to, or are going to, as well. This way it doesn't really matter what the hell is in your engine, you might have more durable parts, but powerwise your going to be on a level playing field.
When I see a rider who is lighter in weight than the other people they are competing against I can't help but think how much different the outcome would be if 'power-to-weight ratio' was used in their races, they most likely would be further back in the pack if it were a truely level playing field powerwise. When I see a heavier rider running in the front group I think how much different the outcome would be if 'power-to-weight ratio' was used in their races, because in all reality they're a better rider by just being able to keep up while under-powered, given a level playing field that rider would most likely be able to prove their the better rider and run away with the win.
I agree very much Mike. At the very least, minimum weight requirements could be combined bike + rider.
I just don't like cheating.
Look at Baseball.
One guy uses steriods or what ever to get and edge on other players.
At one time there was no testing. More guys did it to keep up with the guys that were using.
They had to.
It was either do it or not play at the big leage level.
And then it got to a point to where it was sooooo out of control.
Some times cheating a little can get way out of contol with out strict rules.
AMA Pro statement:
http://www.totalracingsolutions.com/1058/
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Sep/080909yq.htm
This is what should have come from DMG rather than the hastily dropped "without merit" press release. They did not handle it well.
+1
If I am not mistaken, the "without merit" press release was a Suzuki (Yosh) press release, not from DMG.
This looks like the factory response to the DQ. :whine:
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=34127