Why aren't all the classes (lap times) listed from Sundays Barber events?
Thanks,
Dennis
The lap times from Summit in July still arent up. :jerkoff:
For some reason CCS just cant seem to get it together with lap times. I have called a few times asking about the Summit Point stuff, and got a different answer every time.
No longer holding my breath...
I was talking to the race staff and know that they had some problems with the scoring loop on Sunday and had to go with manual scoring
Not sure which races were effected, but they were chasing some technical gremlins
As long as they get the finishing order correct I would consider their obligation met. Want to know your laptimes...buy a laptimer, they're cheap and you can check your own laptimes as much as you want.
Rob, Do you have any deals on lap timers?
Quote from: LMsports on August 12, 2008, 10:12:24 PM
As long as they get the finishing order correct I would consider their obligation met. Want to know your laptimes...buy a laptimer, they're cheap and you can check your own laptimes as much as you want.
Got 2 lap timers, don't use them during a race, distracting, I only use them as a training tool- too many guys pay more attention to their timers during a race than they do the upcoming turn.
tape over it :thumb:
gotta go with Rob on this one. LT's are a luxury.
I heard a rumor that CCS was looking at a new timing and scoring system.
It'll send you text messages as you complete each lap with your laptime, lap speed, running position in the race, how far you're behind the bike in front of you, revised braking points for each corner that you need to use to make up the difference, and number of laps left on your tires!
We do live in a magical age! :ass:
Quote from: djduc748l on August 13, 2008, 06:42:09 AM
Got 2 lap timers, don't use them during a race, distracting, I only use them as a training tool- too many guys pay more attention to their timers during a race than they do the upcoming turn.
I don't use them during races either, but when you get off your bike you can look back at what you did. You can even mount the thing on your tail section if you think it will be too much of a distraction. Some timers offer you the ability to download your times to your computer so that you can document your progress.
Yes we always offer deals on lap timers, go ahead and email me at Rob@Lithiummotorsports.com with what you are looking for and I'll send you back pricing.
Quote from: LMsports on August 12, 2008, 10:12:24 PM
As long as they get the finishing order correct I would consider their obligation met. Want to know your laptimes...buy a laptimer, they're cheap and you can check your own laptimes as much as you want.
Obligation met?
We could term this an "after sales support" issue. If you are providing lap times for the races, you should try to, you know, provide them all the time. It isnt at all difficult, nor is it time consuming.
Quote from: Eye-p on August 13, 2008, 02:40:37 PM
It isnt at all difficult, nor is it time consuming.
Except when the timing loop has problems and you manually score races............
Quote from: rogers1323 on August 13, 2008, 06:28:08 PM
Except when the timing loop has problems and you manually score races............
True.
Now how do you explain the lack of Summit Point times, which both Kevin and Eric both say are available on their computers?
You see, what will happen here is probably something like this...
The lap times I believe are made available as a courtesy. CCS when they have the time, staff, and inclination will make them available. Riders such as yourself come to like having them and then complain when they aren't promptly provided. CCS may now choose not to provide them at all to save themselves this hassle. Now how far have we come. That is the problem...do something nice from time to time and then catch grief as soon as you aren't "up to standards". So the easy thing to do is to lessen the expectation to keep everyone happy and save some grief. If you think Kevin and Eric have nothing better to do than post lap times you have a lot to learn. Most of us would rather they make sure our contingency paperwork is processed and that our next event is being prepared.
Who knows...maybe they will make them available all the time...and raise entry fees to cover the added staff expense of keeping up with your expectations. Cheaper to buy a lap timer bud....
We did have issues with the scoring loop beginning Saturday. By Sunday race time we had replaced every component of the scoring loop, and wiring. With the frazzled nature of having to keep insuring we were getting accurate electronic results the files were not saved for a few races. So what is posted is what we have.
In regard to the Summit July laptimes, we are not hiding the laptimes on our personal computers they are on the scoring computer that is only accessed on race weekends. The disk with the information was corrupted or lost (I am not sure for this event as we have had couple of issues this year with lap times). When we have access to that machine again (Summit in Sept) we will be getting the information off of it.
Quote from: LMsports on August 13, 2008, 09:37:38 PM
You see, what will happen here is probably something like this...
The lap times I believe are made available as a courtesy. CCS when they have the time, staff, and inclination will make them available. Riders such as yourself come to like having them and then complain when they aren't promptly provided. CCS may now choose not to provide them at all to save themselves this hassle. Now how far have we come. That is the problem...do something nice from time to time and then catch grief as soon as you aren't "up to standards". So the easy thing to do is to lessen the expectation to keep everyone happy and save some grief. If you think Kevin and Eric have nothing better to do than post lap times you have a lot to learn. Most of us would rather they make sure our contingency paperwork is processed and that our next event is being prepared.
Who knows...maybe they will make them available all the time...and raise entry fees to cover the added staff expense of keeping up with your expectations. Cheaper to buy a lap timer bud....
No good dead is left unpunished :spank:
Quote from: Eric Kelcher on August 14, 2008, 09:28:50 AM
In regard to the Summit July laptimes, we are not hiding the laptimes on our personal computers they are on the scoring computer that is only accessed on race weekends. When we have access to that machine again (Summit in Sept) we will be getting the information off of it.
Thanks for running a great series Eric.
The only problem I see here is that this is exactly what you told me last month, except that you were waiting for the Barber round to get the file from the scoring computer. Now its the Summit round.
Would it be ok to ask for this in person @ the Summit round?
I beleive it was a different computer used at Barber or it was an oversight in downloading those times, not sure.
At Summit it WILL be the same computer and we can get the times there.
Come up to scoring on Friday and we can get them for you and it will jog our memory, if we should forget to download the file and post it.
Quote from: Eric Kelcher on August 14, 2008, 11:49:09 AM
I beleive it was a different computer used at Barber or it was an oversight in downloading those times, not sure.
At Summit it WILL be the same computer and we can get the times there.
Come up to scoring on Friday and we can get them for you and it will jog our memory, if we should forget to download the file and post it.
Thanks again for taking time to deal with this Eric. I know how busy you all are this time of year, and as such I appreciate the fact that you took time to respond to this.
Cheers-
Jason