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Title: Insurance with no racing/riding exclusions
Post by: Brandon.Parrish on May 04, 2008, 10:55:29 PM
Hey guys I just wanted to give you all the heads up in regards to my banner RiderSurance.com that went up last week and what it's all about.  I have been an insurance broker since I switched to road racing 5 years ago.  I fell into my career in insurance mainly working with local businesses offering health, life, disability and dental insurance.  I started RiderSurance after getting so many requests from racers from all over the country where I raced that were having problems getting coverage that covered racing and track days or just didn't know where to get it.   The perk of my site is that I have done a lot of research to find out what companies do not have racing/riding exclusions.  So if you gain coverage through my site you fan know that you are 100% covered.  I am licensed in every state (except Minnesota which is processing), and I want to continue to make it as easy as possible for the motorcycle community to get a free quote and apply for coverage.  So feel free to get a quote, compare your coverage and let me know what you think, Thanks!

Title: Re: Insurance with no racing/riding exclusions
Post by: TommyG on May 05, 2008, 09:00:15 AM
Definitely one of the best things I did this off season was to get insured through one of Brandon`s companies. I was able to get a better policy for the same money (actually a little cheaper!) and racing is not excluded!!!  Also,  Brandon`s customer service is second to none! :thumb:
Title: Re: Insurance with no racing/riding exclusions
Post by: Jason748 on May 05, 2008, 01:07:34 PM
Quote from: BrandonParrish.com on May 04, 2008, 10:55:29 PM
I am licensed in every state (except Minnesota which is processing),

... how soon for us poor MN guys?
Title: Re: Insurance with no racing/riding exclusions
Post by: kl3640 on May 05, 2008, 10:52:45 PM
Good work - is there secondary coverage available for people with existing policies who won't/can't switch, and is there separate repatriation coverage available?  Also, with which carriers are you appointed in FL?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Insurance with no racing/riding exclusions
Post by: Brandon.Parrish on May 07, 2008, 09:11:03 AM
Quote from: Jason748 on May 05, 2008, 01:07:34 PM
... how soon for us poor MN guys?


I just received word that my MN license was approved on 3-21-08 and they don't send you a license you go to their site and print it off.  So I am licensed! Now i just need to become affliated with BCBS of Mn.  I will keep you posted.
Title: Re: Insurance with no racing/riding exclusions
Post by: Brandon.Parrish on May 07, 2008, 09:17:21 AM
Quote from: kl3640 on May 05, 2008, 10:52:45 PM
Good work - is there secondary coverage available for people with existing policies who won't/can't switch, and is there separate repatriation coverage available?  Also, with which carriers are you appointed in FL?  Thanks!

I work with Aetna in Florida and i have alot of guys in the same boat as you.  They have great coverage throught their spouse or somewhere else for free but it doesn't cover racing.  You can get a secondary policy through me that you would use incase you got hurt while racing/riding.  Typically you would get a policy that is just a high deductible with no other benefits (set up like a car insurance plan)  meaning the insurer doesn't pay out until the deductible is met.
Title: Re: Insurance with no racing/riding exclusions
Post by: kl3640 on May 07, 2008, 11:03:07 AM
Quote from: BrandonParrish.com on May 07, 2008, 09:17:21 AM
I work with Aetna in Florida and i have alot of guys in the same boat as you.  They have great coverage throught their spouse or somewhere else for free but it doesn't cover racing.  You can get a secondary policy through me that you would use incase you got hurt while racing/riding.  Typically you would get a policy that is just a high deductible with no other benefits (set up like a car insurance plan)  meaning the insurer doesn't pay out until the deductible is met.

I will check with UHC (my carrier).  I'm pretty sure that I included motorsports coverage and repatriation coverage, all w/medium deduct ($2900/yr), but if not then I'll need secondary coverage for those two things.  Thanks.

p.s.  Will you be getting appointed with anyone else in FL?
Title: Re: Insurance with no racing/riding exclusions
Post by: Brandon.Parrish on May 07, 2008, 03:21:24 PM
Quote from: kl3640 on May 07, 2008, 11:03:07 AM
I will check with UHC (my carrier).  I'm pretty sure that I included motorsports coverage and repatriation coverage, all w/medium deduct ($2900/yr), but if not then I'll need secondary coverage for those two things.  Thanks.

p.s.  Will you be getting appointed with anyone else in FL?

I know that UHC individual products has exclusions against racing and riding if you are under 30yrs old. However if it is a group policy it could differ.  Anyhow as of right now i am not getting appointed with any more health insurance companies but i am appointed with other Life insurance and Disability insurance companies.  email if you want to learn more or get a quote on those products...

Thanks for the good questions!
Title: Re: Insurance with no racing/riding exclusions
Post by: kl3640 on May 08, 2008, 01:06:23 AM
Thanks, I have Golden Rule (UHC) individual, but am over 30 so that's why perhaps there is no exclusion.  I will email about disability coverage, and repatriation.
Title: Re: Insurance with no racing/riding exclusions
Post by: Brandon.Parrish on May 09, 2008, 09:39:32 AM
Email sent.. and Golden Rule does have racing exclusions... just FYI :-/
Title: Re: Insurance with no racing/riding exclusions
Post by: Brandon.Parrish on May 09, 2008, 04:03:58 PM
Quote from: kl3640 on May 07, 2008, 11:03:07 AM
I will check with UHC (my carrier).  I'm pretty sure that I included motorsports coverage and repatriation coverage, all w/medium deduct ($2900/yr), but if not then I'll need secondary coverage for those two things.  Thanks.

p.s.  Will you be getting appointed with anyone else in FL?

Thanks for bringing this to my attention! I stand corrected sir, I called in again to UHC and found out that I was misinformed.  If racing and is just a hobby then in Kentucky, Louisiana, Georgia, Kansas, Deleware and Connecticut they can put an exclusion rider on the policy.  But for all other states they can not exclude they can just rate the policy up 20%.  If racing is your occupation than it can not be excluded in any state.

Title: Re: Insurance with no racing/riding exclusions
Post by: kl3640 on May 10, 2008, 12:07:19 AM
Yes, thank you for confirming.  When I called today, they confirmed that motorsports participation is NOT an exclusion; however, there is no repatriation coverage, and there is no option to add it.

In response to your question, repatriation coverage is coverage that pays for medical transport from the facility where an individual is being treated to a facility near the patient's primary residence, e.g., see the sticky thread on Brian Hall and the fund raising efforts to get him home in this section of the forum.  Because injured riders need special medical transportation to be relocated, the cost can be high, such as in the case of the rider who suffered a closed head injury at Jennings late last year and wanted to be relocated to Utah, where his family could better attend to his needs.  The cost for that was in excess of $14k, iirc.

I purchased a separate Accident Medical Coverage policy with a $10K benefit maximum, which can be used towards medical transportation for repatriation, however I'm not sure how that works in conjunction with primary insurance and if that money would be used up before it could be made available for repatriation medical transportation.
Title: Re: Insurance with no racing/riding exclusions
Post by: bigreid on May 15, 2008, 05:10:32 AM
Quote from: Brandon.Parrish on May 09, 2008, 04:03:58 PM
If racing is your occupation than it can not be excluded in any state.

So, if you earn any money doing a sport aren't you technically a professional?  So, if you have won any money they cannot exclude you or does it need to be your primary occupation?
Title: Re: Insurance with no racing/riding exclusions
Post by: kl3640 on May 15, 2008, 10:30:41 AM
Quote from: bigreid on May 15, 2008, 05:10:32 AM
So, if you earn any money doing a sport aren't you technically a professional?  So, if you have won any money they cannot exclude you or does it need to be your primary occupation?

Brandon can confirm, but I believe that you'd need to meet the IRS definition of an "occupation," at least for a secondary income (i.e., <2% AGI), if not primary (my guess would be the latter).
Title: Re: Insurance with no racing/riding exclusions
Post by: Brandon.Parrish on May 17, 2008, 04:38:33 PM
Quote from: Jason748 on May 05, 2008, 01:07:34 PM
... how soon for us poor MN guys?
Its in the works as we speak, should be soon! i will keep you posted.
Title: Re: Insurance with no racing/riding exclusions
Post by: Brandon.Parrish on May 17, 2008, 04:40:44 PM
Quote from: kl3640 on May 15, 2008, 10:30:41 AM
Brandon can confirm, but I believe that you'd need to meet the IRS definition of an "occupation," at least for a secondary income (i.e., <2% AGI), if not primary (my guess would be the latter).

That is correct, just a little prize money here and there would not mean that is your occupation.  It would have to be your main source of income or your only source of income.
Title: Re: Insurance with no racing/riding exclusions
Post by: Mon1018 on May 18, 2008, 03:36:03 AM
some interesting advices here. useful thread .
Title: Re: Insurance with no racing/riding exclusions
Post by: J Farrell / Speed Tech Motorsp on May 21, 2008, 04:15:17 PM
Just signed up for insurance for the first time in (oh boy should I even tell you!) 1997!

I feel much more comfortable. I suppose I'm gonna end up in the hospital now!

After what happened to Brian Hall I realized it could have been me and my hospital bill.

Thanks Brandon!!!! You da man!! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: Insurance with no racing/riding exclusions
Post by: Brandon.Parrish on May 23, 2008, 08:16:04 PM
Thanks Jason, good to see you come out of retirement!
Title: Re: Insurance with no racing/riding exclusions
Post by: Brandon.Parrish on May 30, 2008, 09:36:41 PM
whats new?