I wanted to say hats off for some great racing! It was my first time to CMP (I think that was the case for most of us) and I had a blast :thumb:
CMP was a beautiful track, for me a lot of fun even though I struggled I still liked the track. Racing was great, thanks to some of you I managed to learn and improve quickly. I just wanted to say thanks to everyone! I had a blast watching/racing so I hope everyone made it home safe and those who went down I hope were ok and bounce back quickly.
The drive was long but to me it was worth every second.
See some of you at Summit!
Chris, I had every intention of coming over to say hello after meeting you on the Supermoto Junkies forum, but I kinda had my hands full this weekend (see my thread). Hope you did well this weekend, I'll stop by at Summit.
Mike
I'm glad you enjoyed your time at CMP. I believe it was the largest turn out ever there at the track. The new config. seemed to improve racing. I know I enjoyed flagging for you guys/gals. I was at 4 on Sat. and really enjoyed 14 on Sunday as the conditions were not wet that day. I saw some really good racing and passes on that turn. The new area at 12/13 really improved speeds approaching 14 so it made for some good set up passes!
Hopefully next year the participation will be even bigger!
Check out some of my pictures from 14 on Sunday!
Do you have a link Cornerman? To everyone who I did not get to meet we'll do so at Summit.
Also, if anyone is going to the Roger Lyle day please come up and say hi if you see bike #410.
Just amazes me how everyone comes together...sounds corny but the racing combined with good people make this sport worth every penny, effort, sacrifice! I think each race weekend we live more than so many people do...
Ok ok...I'll shut up with the corny stuff now :-)
My first time, wife and kids had a blast, didn't pick up times until Sunday, which I was in the low 48's. And everyone hates it last race out of 6 going to fast right @7 someone brakes late hits my elbow front end goes woblewoblewoble until I get control which never happen until I hit the sand trap and dump it before the tires. Was mad as hell about it. That guard rail looks scary @150 and a foot away. But loved being back into racing.
By the way anyone know who was taking the shots (photos)?
Here you go sir!
http://www.ccsforum.com/index.php/topic,20285.0.html
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but there were no crashes at the start of any races right? Pretty amazing considering the set up...it was "different" that's for sure. I ran 7 sprints and each start it was chaos as usual but everyone did an amazing job of holding their lines and showing quite a bit of control.
no there was one in front of me I think it was sat race hw ss I think, one of the last races that day. One went down and under the bike of another. It was weird he just slid in front of me and I was holding the brake hard not to run over him, and with everyone going by I was stuck until the two of them drifted by.
View from timing & scoring, and Race Control ..
We always watch the start. When the dust cleared, rider was under bike and trying to get out. He got out, got up, ran to another bike, picked it up and freaked everybody in the tower out thinking he was mad and was going to take the other guy's bike and shove it into the woods. But it must have been his bike. They ended up having 4 riders, 2 safety crew members having a party throughout the race at turn 1.
Never a dull moment!
He Jeanne thanks for the beautiful trophies. you guys have always made incredible looking awards
To CHRIS410 my few pics are on the gallery page at the very top of the page.
I agree with what you said. I really enjoy the fellowship that goes on during a weekend away from our normal life jobs. I was really sick this past week w/ an infection. I was better in time to go. It was the get away I needed. It was my first race working corners this season. I look forward to VIR next but it will prob.be the fall event in Sept. and not the National in June. Have a great race at Summit!
I had a blast hanging out with everybody. We need to get more SE races. Maybe another CMP and possibly a RRR round.
+1 to that!
Good meeting you Derek...another CMP round would be fun!
BTW...next time make sure and try the chicken! ha ha ha...
It was a great weekend, except for the pencil-neck little twerp cornerworker who accussed me of making a pass under waving yellow when in fact it was standing yellow, which cost me 5 positions due to the 1 lap penalty.
Chris, you hit the nail on the head bro, the friendships we experience at the track are hard to duplicate anywhere else. I think all our bros that wadded are doing well. The airlift on Sunday turned out okay, and I picked up the racer in Columbia and brought him back to the track later in the day. I did hear that during the track day a rider on a yellow bike broke both his wrists, if anyone knows who he is, shoot me a pm. Look forward to linking up with you at Summit, and yeah, racing CCS is worth all the expense and pain, there are very few times and places in life to push the limits of courage, amidst the company of those with such noble hearts.
Quote from: chaplain220 on April 15, 2008, 06:34:25 PM
Chris, you hit the nail on the head bro, the friendships we experience at the track are hard to duplicate anywhere else. I think all our bros that wadded are doing well. The airlift on Sunday turned out okay, and I picked up the racer in Columbia and brought him back to the track later in the day. I did hear that during the track day a rider on a yellow bike broke both his wrists, if anyone knows who he is, shoot me a pm. Look forward to linking up with you at Summit, and yeah, racing CCS is worth all the expense and pain, there are very few times and places in life to push the limits of courage, amidst the company of those with such noble hearts.
I believe his name is Kevin Tucker, I met him not too long before he crashed. He was there for the same reason I was, both of our Cornerspeed diplomas had expired, and we both had to retake the written test to get race licenses. Quite a few of the Cornerpeed instructors said he is really fast.
Except for the rain messng up the first race on Saturday it really was a great weekend of racing and I really enjoyed meeting some new people and seeing some old faces again. Still the friendliest club around for me. And I have to say mad props to that Wilkey kid for logging (i'm pretty sure) the fastest 600 lap time of the weekend on basically a street bike with a stock suspension, he was impressive. I know he was flying when he passed me. Too bad he was starting from the back of every grid.
Hoep to see you all again at Summit!
Right, chicken. I'll make sure to do that.
Quote from: kl3640 on April 15, 2008, 04:52:56 PM
It was a great weekend, except for the pencil-neck little twerp cornerworker who accussed me of making a pass under waving yellow when in fact it was standing yellow, which cost me 5 positions due to the 1 lap penalty.
Thanks for the great comment! I always enjoy them. That pencil neck cornerworker was me. That was waving yellow as I told you later. AND I STAND FIRM ON THAT! My other worker was waiving the yellow. What A shame that cost you five positions when you gained 2 by that move. All you had to do was hold your line behind or beside exp.#107 and nothing would have been said. But I guess you thought it good to pass him and the other bike on the inside of the turn BEFORE the accident site. You sure caught them off guard too with it as I saw them do a panic swerve as you squeezed through, lucky for them and you that no one or nothing was on the track. Yellow means caution. Didn't your learn that in school? Instead of sucking it up you have to cry here and try to defame me.
I've been doing this for many years now. Don't ever mistake me for some noob when you see me out there! I pay attention to everything! At times I have saved a few riders asses from getting hurt real bad by noticing things you guys might not notice ie. smoking, fire, debris on track because you are doing what you are supposed to do. Its a shame you didn't see it that way.
By the way and thank god nothing did happen if it did you could bet that I would have done anything to help you or anyone else for that matter as that is my job and what I'm supposed to do. You should give more respect than that. You have no one to blame but yourself. You just got caught. If the ref would have seen it he would have done the same if not a worse penalty on you. :thumb:
I don't enjoy having to do such things as that. The only thing I enjoy is reporting all is well at an accident and that everyone made it through ok. Unfortunately there are times when these things have to be reported. If the shoe was on the other foot I'm sure you would had some things to say about it.
Peace!
Hey Cornerman,
I know I wasn't there so I can't really comment but I will anyway.
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If and that is a BIG IF a corner goes waving and the rider involved
in the pass is in danger of a$$packing the bike in front let the pass
take place. It is even better if the rider doing the passing lets the
other bike repass.
I have been in your position many times and also been in the position
to slap the fingers of the rider/riders involved.
For some funny reason once the helmet goes on the only flags seen
are the Green & Checkers with any regularity.
I know what your response is to my comment is so I will put it here for you.
:wtf: :jerkoff:
I'm not trying to start a debate here, because apparently the word of the corner workers is inviolable and unimpeachable, but what bothers me is the lack of consistency. I can't even count how many times I've been passed under waving yellow, and not once did I ever notice a penalty in the results. And your claim of my passing being dangerous is patently false. That guy was so far off line that it was ridiculous. If he swerved, then maybe he got spooked, but not because I was anywhere near close to him, either side-to-side or front-to-back. It was a very clean pass, and only occurred because he went off line and chopped the throttle. So what was I supposed to do, chop the throttle myself and let someone else rear end me?
However, this time, when the station leading up to the incident had a STANDING yellow (no matter what you say, it was, because I asked 2 other riders on the same lap at the same time, 1 in front of me and one in back, who all concurred that the approaching flag was STANDING - one even went to tell Phil what he saw because he felt it to be such a travesty), and the station after the incident only was waving, the rider getting passed was off-line and slowing down rapidly, and visibility was crap anyway between the rain and foggy visors, I can't believe that you considered it dangerous. You'll note that I did NOT hammer the throttle or go off line to make the pass. He couldn't have possibly swerved to avoid me because he was so far off line that I didn't have to stuff him. THe pass happened mostly because he was off line and slowing down rapidly.
Riders don't only care about the green and checkered flags, believe it or not - if you ever have raced, you know that, and you'd also know that keeping track of such a situation while you're trying to race, especially in horrible weather conditions with poor visibility, is very difficult.
The bottom line is that a rule is a rule, and I understand that, but your guys selective enforcement of them is ridiculous. I'm willing to bet that had I and the passed individual had a single digit white plate and not a triple digit yellow plate that the penalty wouldn't have been given.
I'm glad that you take your job so seriously and are concerned for safety, but don't mistake it for giving you some sort of discretionary authority. If you haven't already, maybe you should race a little, especially in heavy rain, and see what it's like. Racing at any time is literally putting your life on the line, let alone in those types of track conditions, and so to have a rule arbitrarily applied like that is an insult.
I appreciate your comments and concerns. That was far better than the previous posts. I understand you are/was upset about that penalty. I can't speak of the other corner workers views or enforcement of such things. However I can speak of my own. In my own judgement concerning the matter it would not have made a difference to me what plate the bike had or would have had. I treat all bikes/riders equally when it comes down to rule enforcement. Safety is our utmost concern.
I understand your views on selective enforcement. No one or no organization is perfect. There is always room for improvement. Perhaps this brings to light an issue that needs attention. Again I can't speak for the workers at those times. However I understand your frustration in that. Perhaps you should bring this to the appropriate people at that time so that they can investigate your claims. Maybe you did and did not get the results you wanted at those times pervious to this event..
. The station at 5 should not have had a flag out because the accident was before their turn. If they were then they were in error for doing so.
I commend all riders for even competing. It is not a cheap sport nor is it a 100% safe one. I know that you care about racing and pay attention to flags(more than just green/checker) The conditions were not good that day. I commend you for even being out there!Most times riders would rather stay in the paddock.
I'm sorry you feel insulted about this. I don't think anyone would enjoy having a penalty enforced on them no matter what the case. But even more so if you believe in your heart of hearts you didn't commit such a violation of the rules. The director or ref. talked to me and asked what I saw. I gave him the information. I do not have the right to enforce rules I only report violations. Based on what I reported he felt it appropriate to enforce penalty.
I will end my debate here by only by wishing you all the success in your racing career and this season. Racers are a rare breed. I have the best seat in the house and enjoy you guys/gals. Some of the best people I have met have been at CCS.
First, you never need to tell me if my messages are "better" or not than previous posts.
Listen, the corner station at the top of the hill, on the left, leading in to the Carousel, had a standing yellow flag in it, no matter what you say. If, by your own admission, the station inside the carousel had no flag, then where is the logic there as it's closer to the incident and actually visible from within the turn, through the riders' lines of sight, where as the station on entry is seen only when approaching the entry to the carousel? I could see either both of them having flags, or the one inside having a flag without the one on the approach, but not the other way around. If someone attempted a pass within plain site of the inside station, then that would be more dangerous than doing so earlier as that was where the accident happened and the rider/bike was down! If you go by the first station, then don't see a flag at the second station, you might attempt a move right where the accident happened!
I started from literally the last row in the grid, on the inside no less (where I was jammed up with traffic going in to 1), and battled back in those miserable conditions to the top 5. I could understand the penalty if I had done something empirically wrong, such as jumping the start - but I didn't. The fact is that for some reason you felt compelled penalize me. Curiously, you did not penalize the Expert rider who passed me on the small straight leading up to the carousel, even though your station was well within view, being on the left side at the end of the straight. So if you had a waving yellow flag, as you claim (but none of the other riders there at the time will support), why then did you not report him? BTW, he was one of the other riders who confirmed that the yellow flag was standing at that time.
One thing is for sure, and that is that there is absolutely no room in the mind of CCS to question a corner worker. I wish that I would have had a camera on my bike that day to prove what happened - but it probably wouldn't have mattered anyway. I couldn't even file an appeal because appeals against such penalties are not allowed!
And yes, no league is perfect, but some are better than others. I think that very few people here would disagree that CCS has a LOOOONG way to go towards consistency in rules enforcement. I for one know that if someone passes me under waving yellow next time, I'm going to say something, and raise hell if nothing is done about it.
When MARRC is cornerworking races ie at Summit Point, two workers must witness such an infraction for a penalty to be enforced.