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Title: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: yetidave on March 02, 2008, 09:43:16 AM
Looking at Saturday's results I noticed one name in particular that I can't believe has the balls to race with yellow plates. He managed quite a few WINS at Daytona last year as well as a few 2nds and thirds. I don't believe he raced the rest of the season so he didn't get enough points to be required to bump. But, he knows damn well he shouldn't be racing with yellow plates. So nice job dude, way to take away an actual amateur's glory. Because you don't have the balls to go race with the big boys, you fucked someone else out of a win they deserved. That makes you an asshole.
You know who you are, and you suck. 
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: Super Dave on March 02, 2008, 01:13:25 PM
Spill the beans.  Who?

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=31596
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: yetidave on March 02, 2008, 01:43:13 PM
I'll give you a hint; first name rhymes with "harry".
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: d-wire on March 02, 2008, 05:03:45 PM
let me grab some popcorn and watch this one....LOL.    He only was doin 52's though.  Do you think he was sandbaggin his pace?  I agree, he shouldnt be racin amateur if he has that index and those wins,points,etc
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: yetidave on March 02, 2008, 06:02:03 PM
Quote from: d-wire on March 02, 2008, 05:03:45 PM
let me grab some popcorn and watch this one....LOL.    He only was doin 52's though.  Do you think he was sandbaggin his pace?  I agree, he shouldnt be racin amateur if he has that index and those wins,points,etc

His pace means nothing. He cleaned house down there last spring, I guess was bumped based on that weekend alone, and somehow managed to run yellow plates again.
I really hope there's more to this story, the guy's actually a pretty decent guy. But I simply have no patience for sandbaggers, there's just no excuse for continuing to beat up on the yellow plate racers just because you can.
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: d-wire on March 02, 2008, 07:51:59 PM
I agree.  I was told by our promoter in the FL region that I was an expert after only 6 events as an am......I was freaked out.  I had just come back after a big  back injury and was very suprised.  BUt, you can see the guys that should be expert.  He was right in hindsight. THis guy should be an expert.
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: ccs117 on March 02, 2008, 08:13:47 PM
Quote from: d-wire on March 02, 2008, 07:51:59 PM
I agree.  I was told by our promoter in the FL region that I was an expert after only 6 events as an am......I was freaked out.  I had just come back after a big  back injury and was very suprised.  BUt, you can see the guys that should be expert.  He was right in hindsight. THis guy should be an expert.

Nice job yourself this weekend Sean!
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: r1owner on March 02, 2008, 08:49:26 PM
In just so I can get updates to what is sure to be a trainwreck.
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: d-wire on March 02, 2008, 08:57:13 PM
Quote from: ccs117 on March 02, 2008, 08:13:47 PM
Nice job yourself this weekend Sean!

LLOYd????    Whats up man.....Good job this weekend.  I was runnin like a scared little puppy against the big bikes....LOL
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: 104fahl on March 03, 2008, 01:03:26 PM
I gotta see this  :pop:
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: jgalt187 on March 03, 2008, 08:00:49 PM
Is his name on the bump list?

AJ KRAUSE
ALAN DEPP
ALEX J DESETA
ALEXANDER LAZO
ALEXANDER SHAW
ANTHONY FLAIM
ASHWIN NATARAJAN
BENJAMIN CLINTON
BILLY FRICKSON
BILLY VEATCH
BOB BADGER
BOBBY KIM
BRETT HICKMAN
BRIAN RIVERA
BRIAN SEXTON
BRIAR BAUM
CHARLES RAMBARRAN
CHRIS CAREY
CHRIS COOKE
CHRIS SULLIVAN
CHRISTOPHER CLARK
CHRISTOPHER WATT
CHUCK COUGHLIN
DAN JASA
DAVE SATERMO
DAVID EAST
DAVID FLAGG
DEAN SMITH
DOMINIC PARKS
DONALD ELFSTROM
DUSTIN BOYD
EDDIE HODGES
EDDIE MALDONADO
EDWIN OSORIO
ERIC DOUGLASS
ERIC FOUTCH
ERIC NERVIG
ERIC TURMEL
FERNANDO BARBOSA
GARRETT PARKER
GARY KING
GREG ANDERSON
GREG BORDELEAU
GREG BUBAK
GREG PUZIO
JACE WILHELMI
JAMES FOLEY
JAMES JOYCE
JAMES RAY
JAMES RODEFER JR
JAMIE BUBECK
JARROD NEUHARTH
JASON DOUGLASS
JASON MCDONNELL
JASON RUNTE
JAY SMITH
JEFF LAMPE
JIM WIRTH
JIMMY TOKOS
JOEL ROGERS
JOHN MULLEN
JOHN TUCKER
JON NAUMANN
JONATHAN ADAMS
JOSEPH DENOWH
JOSEPH DEVINE
JUAN FELIPE HURTADO
JUSTIN HUFFMAN
KARL SANDERS
KERRY KIMBALL
KEVIN MENDEZ
KEVIN WHITE
LARRY KARPINSKY JR
LEON ZELENSKY
LES LAMBERT
LUIS JIMENEZ
MARCUS BROTTEN
MARK CARBAJAL
MARK COLON
MARK KOCHMAN
MARK ZALKE
MARTIN LAZOR
MARY JO BUSA
MATT SHEAHAN
MATTHEW HEPPLER
MATTHEW HITCHON
MAXIMILIAN BRONISEVSKY
MICHAEL SZPUNAR
MIGUEL PACHECO
MIKE MURRAY
R TRAVIS MARSHALL
RACHEL SASSE
RAFAEL REYNA
RAMON VAZQUEZ JR
RAY HOFMAN
RAY TWITTY
RICH LETTIERI
RICHARD PENA
ROBERT PICINICH
ROBERTO LUEVANO
RON KOPEC
RYAN KEMP
RYAN MEADE
SALVATORE CARUSO
SAMUEL WEBER
SCOTT HOLLIS
SHANE WRIGHT
SHAWN HEATH
STEPHEN WILKINS
STERLING EANES
STEVE AYCOCK
STEVE BLACKWELL
STEVE PALELLE
SVEN BUGGE
TED SILJESTROM
TIMOTHY BARRETT
TIMOTHY MORIN
WAYNE HARTPENCE
WILLIAM KASZER
ZOLTAN NEMES
ZSOLT BENCZE
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: red900 on March 03, 2008, 08:15:55 PM
Mine is...  Damnit..   I was hopin to do some more sandbaggin myself...  Where do I protest?  :) :) :)

Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: EX#996 on March 03, 2008, 08:45:30 PM
Yep, on the bump list.
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: ghost05 on March 03, 2008, 10:44:19 PM
After my showing this weekend, I don't have to worry about the bump list for a long, long time... LOL

I was all over the place riding like a newb on my new bike... well, I guess I am kind of a newb after not having ridden for almost 3 years... I did notice that there was some fella in my race that seemed like yellow plates didn't feel right, but I didn't catch his number.
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: yetidave on March 04, 2008, 07:10:54 AM
Yes, his name is on the bump list. I wonder if he wrote a protest letter? I REALLY hope that's not the case.
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: ccs207 on March 04, 2008, 10:52:38 AM
Its funny to hear Dave get fired up. Bro, i got my whites this year and thought about protesting, but sucked it up and i'm takin it like a man. I'm gonna run superbike, thunderbike, etc. on my sv650 and seeing how Wood cleaned up and Estok came in 6th, i'm gonna get smooshed like a little bug.

Are you coming down to CMP april 12? Hopefully Mark has his bike back together by then :D. -Tim
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: MotoGuy on March 04, 2008, 12:04:40 PM
Time to sack up and run with the big boys...
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: MWT Racing 254 on March 04, 2008, 12:46:22 PM
R you guys kidding me??? :wtf:

I know this person, and he is the LAST person that would ever "sandbag" to take home a cheap piece of shit $5 plaque, hell, he could buy the freakin plaque company and print them out for himself all day if he wanted! So before you pass judgement on one hell of a guy and my friend "yetidave" , get your story/facts straight ASSHOLE!

He had a great weekend last year...fact

Does that QUALIFY him to be an expert? After one event? NO DIPSHIT! :finger:

I have been racing for 25 years! I have won Championships, and finished 2nd or third overall in other Championships...all off road...does that make me an expert racer? Yes...and NO! If you feel you are going to be a danger to yourself and others by trying to race in a class you don't feel ready for, you should be man enough to admit it to yourself first, then others, instead, you should use the AM ranks to improve your skills so that when you can prove to the racing organization (CCS/AMA/WERA/etc) that you can put together a strong enough season (not one weekend) to be considered an expert, your ready...then and only then should you move up. At this point if you BS your way into staying an Am, now your a piece of shit sandbagger!

Daytona is the easiest track on the circut...period...fact (may be the scariest, but definately the EASIEST)

Which means, not much skill is required to do well down here, just balls, horsepower and luck...how many of you racers have gotten behind a guy whose bike flat out spanks your a$$ on the straights and banking, just for you to bust your ass lap after lap to real him in through the infield and occasionally at the chicane, just to get SPANKED thru the banking?! All of us...fact... Hell, I'm still trying to figure out how the hell a 749 pulled me on the banking on my 1098... :ahhh:

Yes he was on the bump list...fact

As instructed by CCS (your and my racing organization for this event), if you disagree with their descision, you write THEM explaining your position, and THEY will make the call wether or not to keep you there or allow you to return to the AM ranks, with your future results/index being monitored by CCS, and they alone reserve the right to bump your ass back up if they deam you a sandbagger "yetidave", not you, or anyone else on this forum...that's why we have a racing organization, to keep assholes like you from talking shit whenever you feel the need to invoke your right of free speach, irregardless of whose reputation you or any other asshole on this or any forum may intentionally or unintentionally be harming.

Another FACT for you "yetidave", check out the results for the AM Heavyweight Superbike race...the guy that finished 2nd...FIRST RACE WEEKEND EVER! Better call Yoshimura Suzuki, he can take Ben's place when he moves on to Moto GP! Screw that, Rossi's retiring soon, call YAMAHA!

FACT is Dave, you were either not there this past weekend or are still pissed "harry" (and I) kicked your ass last year, cause if you were, you would have seen the gap between the winners of the races and "harry"...10-15 sec's or more in some cases...and hate to do this  to you "harry", but the race he won...there was a crash that took out 2nd and 3rd and allowed him to pull clear by some 15 sec's, only to win by a handful at the end...another FACT for you Dave, some of his top results were posted due to disqualifications, not race order finish, but I'm sure you just forgot to mention that little tidbit ASSHOLE! :ass:

So what have we all learned here?

A)
"yetidave" is an ASSHOLE  
B) you can all talk shit about me and I won't give a shit, because if this is what you get off on, your a loser, get a life!
C) "harry" will be trying to become an expert this season, as he will be contesting the ENTIRE season...you see Dave, "harry" WANTS to EARN his white plates the right way! It's his goal this year and I'm behind him 100%...so maybe, when your done whining like a bitch, you might want to apologize for being an ASSHOLE..."harry" is man enough to accept it, me on the other hand...I'm an asshole too! so go F#$K yourself! See you at the track DICKHEAD!
D) I guess another thread will be started for me sandbagging too...see, last year I was anywere from 3-5th place, not high enough to raise any eyebrows on anyones index...this year I had a GREAT WEEKEND "yetidave"! Guess I'm ready to take on Ulrich, Cardenas, Pegram, West, Russell etc, etc...SURE! Right after I get all the brown stains out of my underware after starting on POLE with them during the Team Endurance Solo race, and praying I didn't get creamed by anyone of them at the horseshoe!

Wasted enough of my time on this BS, but I can't let some A-Hole (yetidave- in case I forgot to mention it earlier) talk shit about a guy like "harry"...the racing community and life in general need more "harry's" in it!

Hugs and kisses!

Dennis
CCS # 254
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: Sobottka on March 04, 2008, 12:54:40 PM
i think you need a cold shower! :thumb:
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: 2old2fat2slow on March 04, 2008, 01:09:54 PM
I was there."Harry" is a top shelf guy and deserved what he acheived. I was pitted across the firelane from him. There were some guys there in several races I watched with highly questionable finishes. Left the pack behind like they were riding a MotoGP bike in a middleweight race. And nobody challenged that? I'm new to the sport. Just an observation not a rant.
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: MWT Racing 254 on March 04, 2008, 01:20:27 PM
And your son had a hell of a weekend too! I checked out in a few of my races, just one of those weekends were everything clicked, even after a crash in practice, but I can honestly say, that if I were to enter a race at say VIR, Summit Point, I would get my ass handed to me...Daytona is just different...
The real sandbaggers are the guys that take the purse money intended for the Priveteer Experts...Last year, factory riders pulled over at the end of a race and pitted on the last lap so that the guys who really count on this money could put it to good use for their race season...sorry to say, I didn't see too much of that this year...sad.
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: d-wire on March 04, 2008, 01:50:17 PM
a little worked up...but you make 2 very good points.....

1)Daytona is an easy track with a fast bike and balls.
2)Guys fell down at the front of that race


Like I said, he was doin 52's according to timing and scoring which is front of the amatuer pack.  Not crazy fast.  But if he won last year at Daytona.......there will always be people questioning it. 
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: MotoGuy on March 04, 2008, 02:07:28 PM
Quote from: MWT Racing 254 on March 04, 2008, 01:20:27 PMThe real sandbaggers are the guys that take the purse money intended for the Priveteer Experts...

So TRUE!
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: jgalt187 on March 04, 2008, 03:17:39 PM
Quote from: MWT Racing 254 on March 04, 2008, 12:46:22 PM

All of us...fact... Hell, I'm still trying to figure out how the hell a 749 pulled me on the banking on my 1098... :ahhh:


Dennis
CCS # 254

Hell, I am still trying to figure out how a 1098 is legal in Formula Forty!
Just to be clear, I am not calling you a cheater. I just don't understand why a 1098 would be allowed to run against 750cc inline fours! 

FORMULA 40 (Amateur & Expert Divisions)
Twin cylinder, liquid cooled, up to 1000cc
Four cylinder, liquid cooled, up to 775cc
All other engine confi gurations, Unlimited displacement
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: 41jason41 on March 04, 2008, 03:32:31 PM
I dont think its sandbagging at all. He isn't running stupid fast times or anything.
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: djduc748l on March 04, 2008, 05:19:07 PM
The rules for this year allow superbike trim bikes and twins up to 1200cc (water cooled), I called CCS and confirmed the legality of running the Duc...there were not even any 750's in the top group anyway, which was odd, most were running 600's...have to figure out if bike has a top speed limiter on it though as it kept cutting out at 179mph (indicated on speedo) and still had some tach left in her...
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: jgalt187 on March 04, 2008, 05:30:41 PM
Quote from: djduc748l on March 04, 2008, 05:19:07 PM
The rules for this year allow superbike trim bikes and twins up to 1200cc (water cooled), I called CCS and confirmed the legality of running the Duc...there were not even any 750's in the top group anyway, which was odd, most were running 600's...have to figure out if bike has a top speed limiter on it though as it kept cutting out at 179mph (indicated on speedo) and still had some tach left in her...

Thanks for clearing that up. I was just reading the displacement part in the formula forty rules, and didn't see the update.
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: djduc748l on March 04, 2008, 05:58:24 PM
Formula 40:

6.7.2 All Formula 40 machines must meet the requirements of Lightweight
Grand Prix or Heavyweight Superbike.

HEAVYWEIGHT SUPERBIKE (Amateur & Expert Divisions)
Four cylinder, liquid cooled, up to 775cc
All other engine confi gurations, Unlimited displacement

Although within the discreption of the current specific F-40 class there appears to be a contridiction:

FORMULA 40 (Amateur & Expert Divisions)
Twin cylinder, liquid cooled, up to 1000cc
Four cylinder, liquid cooled, up to 775cc
All other engine confi gurations, Unlimited displacement

The rule change request reads as follows:

Request: allow UNL class machines
Action: Denied
Request: allow Heavyweight Superbike machines
Action: approved

Which is what I asked the CCS before entering the 1098, and they told me it was as per the Heavyweight Superbike discription for 2008.
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: gixster on March 04, 2008, 08:09:38 PM
Having to race against "Harry",you would think that I would want to protest about him but I don't think that having one good weekend should classify you as an expert racer."Harry" is a stand up guy that would give the shirt off his back to help you out.As far as him sand bagging this past weekend,he is not the type of person to do that.I look forward to racing and battling with him this year as I will be trying to earn my white plates too.
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: yetidave on March 04, 2008, 08:31:53 PM
LOL, well this really took off. Like I said earlier, Larry is a solid dude. And I was VERY surprised to see him winning races as an amateur. He's fast on any track. I know this because I used to coach with him. I've ridden on about 5 different tracks with him, and he's faster than me on ALL OF THEM. Based on that information I don't buy the argument that he should keep his yellow plates simply because he only raced on one track last season.
Larry's not an asshole, I know the guy. But going to Daytona and racing against a bunch of guys who are spending a retarded amount of money to be there racing against other yellow plates when you know going in that you're faster then the vast majority of them, isn't cool. He earned his white plates, he's a mid pack expert racer (regardless of what times he ran at Daytona), I know this because I've ridden with him plenty.
I have nothing against him personally, it is what it is.
Go ahead and post a 2,000 word essay on why I'm an asshole, it doesn't matter, it changes nothing.
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: skipper08 on March 04, 2008, 08:44:23 PM
lets just race.

hey dennis its gus the guy with the blue R1 AM # 300
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: Eric Kelcher on March 04, 2008, 08:59:17 PM
The rider in question, at least I am 90% sure it is, did not meet our requirements.

2.2.4 Riders will be issued Regional Series licenses as Amateur or Expert.
A. CCS Offi cials will issue Expert licenses to those riders with proven
experience or ability as follows:
(1.) Applicants who are renewing a CCS Expert license or who are
applying with an Expert license from one of the racing
organizations listed in section 2.2.1.
(2.) Amateur riders with the organizations listed in section 2.2.1
who are being upgraded to Expert.
(3.) Any Amateur Rider who in the opinion of CCS Offi cials has the
ability and experience for Expert competition.
(4.) Any Amateur Rider who scores 400 points within a 12 month
period.
(a.) CCS reserves the right to deny Expert Status to any Amateur
who meets the point criteria and has not shown the ability and
experience for expert competition.
(5.) Any Amateur Rider who wins a Series Championship or
fi nishes in the top 5 positions in any class at the Race of
Champions.
(a.) CCS reserves the right to deny Expert Status to any Amateur
who meets the Series Championship or Race of
Champions criteria and has not shown the ability and
experience for expert competition
.

He did not meet the experience requirement.

Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: djduc748l on March 04, 2008, 09:17:55 PM
Thank you Eric! Exactly what I was trying to say...one great race weekend or great track day at every track in the country while you are under NO pressure qualifies you to be an expert in ANY credible racing organization, on or off road, 2 or 4 wheels!

Hey Gus! Great results on Sunday! Wish I could have stayed to battle with you, as our race Saturday was alot of fun, I will pop in at a few other rounds that don't conflict with my 9 yr old daughters GNCC race schedule, just to see how I can do at real race tracks, I will PM you with my contact info. Keep charging Gus!

Thanks Eric!
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: yetidave on March 04, 2008, 09:21:48 PM
Well I guess that settles it. My apologies to Larry.
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: djduc748l on March 04, 2008, 09:30:42 PM
and they lived happily ever after...

The End

Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: bambam on March 04, 2008, 09:53:42 PM
Quote from: yetidave on March 04, 2008, 09:21:48 PM
Well I guess that settles it. My apologies to Larry.

you are still an asshole :)

i got to talk to larry for a brief moment and he was very humble and excited to be making a go of it this season. i wish all of you a great season and hope to see you out there when i can.
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: skipper08 on March 04, 2008, 10:52:21 PM
Quote from: djduc748l on March 04, 2008, 09:17:55 PM
Thank you Eric! Exactly what I was trying to say...one great race weekend or great track day at every track in the country while you are under NO pressure qualifies you to be an expert in ANY credible racing organization, on or off road, 2 or 4 wheels!

Hey Gus! Great results on Sunday! Wish I could have stayed to battle with you, as our race Saturday was alot of fun, I will pop in at a few other rounds that don't conflict with my 9 yr old daughters GNCC race schedule, just to see how I can do at real race tracks, I will PM you with my contact info. Keep charging Gus!

Thanks Eric!


so this is dennis or eric, im a bit confused now LOL.
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: yetidave on March 05, 2008, 06:09:07 AM
Quote from: bambam on March 04, 2008, 09:53:42 PM
you are still an asshole :)

i got to talk to larry for a brief moment and he was very humble and excited to be making a go of it this season. i wish all of you a great season and hope to see you out there when i can.

LOL
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: Toves33 on March 05, 2008, 07:33:43 AM
I heard there was some sandbagging going on this weekend. Personally, I don't mind the faster guys runing AM because it will only push me to go faster. If anyone had it bad this weekend, it would have been the EX class running with some AMA guys.
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: MWT Racing 254 on March 05, 2008, 08:58:08 AM
Quote from: skipper06 on March 04, 2008, 10:52:21 PM

so this is dennis or eric, im a bit confused now LOL.

This is Dennis, The "Old Guy"! LOL
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: Boober on March 05, 2008, 11:19:29 AM
Quote from: sobottka on March 04, 2008, 12:54:40 PM
i think you need a cold shower! :thumb:
He needs to wack off before he posts like that!!
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: bel-biv on March 06, 2008, 09:07:25 AM
His post may have been a little over the top, but if we all have a friend that would jump into the fight on our behalf, we'd consider ourselves lucky.
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: MWT Racing 254 on March 06, 2008, 09:22:51 AM
Thanks Steve, my only REAL problem with Dave's original post was calling "harry" an asshole...it was inappropriate and uncalled for...especially if you know the guy, which Dave does....now for some real sandbagger news...check this guy out...Roberto Conception from Puerto Rico...in 2004 he ran away with the Expert Class Supertwins race on a Ducati 748...in 2008 he also won the Supertwins class on a 749, unfortunately against me on my 1098, I put up a fight, but he was REAL aggressive thru traffic...I feel better though because he beat me in the AM Supertwins class! That gentlemen, is sandbagging!
Here is a copy of my inquiry to Eric:

"Talk about cheaters...
Roberto Conception from PR was entered and won the Expert Super twins class in 2004

Expert SuperTwins
Pos   Laps   Number   Bike   Size   Name
1   6   137   DUC   748   ROBERTO CONCEPCION, REY SAN JUAN, PR.
2   6   24   DUC   748   ERIC L. MOUCATEL, ORLANDO, FL.
3   6   725   DUC   996   JOHN DIERICKX, MIAMI, FL. Desmomaniacs,Dud Exchange
4   6   94   UNK   UNK   LES MOSCARIELLO, LOXAHATCHEE, FL. Lightning Moto Sport,AGV Sport,Sharkskin
5   6   115   APR   100   JEFFREY HARRIS, HAZEL PARK, MI. P3A Racing,Woodcraft,Sprocket Specialist

Yet this year he entered as an Amateur and won, which I really doubted he could pull that off on a 749 vs. my 1098...but this kind of explains it...Now this is called sandbagging!
Can CCS do anything after the fact for this obvious infraction?"

Amateur SuperTwins
Pos   Laps   Number   Bike   Size   Name
1   5   797   DUC   749   ROBERTO CONCEPCION, SAN JUAN
2   5   254   DUC   109   DENNIS ESPINOSA, W MILFORD, NJ. Trebour Motorcycles,Pompton Honda/Suzuki
3   5   447   DUC   996   YOSHIO KASAI, MIWA, TOKUSHIMA, JP.
4   5   336   BUE   120   JOEL SPALDING, HUNTLEY, IL. Buell,Pirelli.
5   5   129   DUC   749   JARED MCCOIG, MARYVILLE, TN. Michelin Tires,Sharkskinz.

Thanks,
Dennis Espinosa CCS # 254
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: MotoGuy on March 06, 2008, 10:16:45 AM
Dude, that sucks. Cherry picking big time.
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: smite1 on March 06, 2008, 11:13:37 AM
If he hasn't raced in a while he can come back as an AM.

2.2 CCS LICENSE REQUIREMENT - New applicants must provide proof of current
racing experience, or a certifi cate indicating completion of an approved
Riders School or Licensing Clinic within the previous 12-month period.
2.2.1 Licenses from the following organizations are acceptable as proof of
experi ence: AMA Professional, AFM, AHRMA, ASM, ASMA, CMA,
CRA, CMRA, FIM, , USGPRU, HRRC, LRRS, MRA, OMRRA, RACE,
SMRA, WERA, WMRRA, & WSMC.
A. Expert ranked riders who show a signifi cant lapse in
participation (over 3 years without a competition license) will be
required to re-qualify for Expert status by normal licensing
procedures.

B. Riders who show a signifi cant lapse in participation (over 5
years without a competition license) will be required to re-qualify
by normal licensing procedures.

I'm guessing he's using this part of the rulebook.
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: Team Spalding on March 06, 2008, 11:37:32 AM
That would put him right up there with A Hastings on a 848 and ahead of Johnny Rock Page who was Nat. Champ last year.

Result first FX practice:

1. 1 Joshua Hayes Honda CBR600RR 1:40.098 21 106.100 1:40.124 10 106.068
2. 57 Chaz Davies Kawasaki ZX-6R 1:40.450 12 105.720 1:40.665 14 105.498
3. 100 Neil Hodgson Honda CBR600RR 1:40.640 8 105.520 1:40.916 14 105.236
4. 98 Jake P. Zemke Honda CBR600RR 1:40.876 12 105.280 1:41.006 20 105.142
5. 15 Steve Rapp Honda CBR600RR 1:40.973 22 105.180 1:41.015 21 105.133
6. 34 Michael F. Barnes Suzuki GSX-R600 1:41.390 10 104.740 1:41.809 13 104.313
7. 72 Larry Pegram Ducati 848 1:41.472 18 104.660 1:41.499 21 104.632
8. 96 Aaron Gobert Honda CBR600RR 1:42.009 16 104.110 1:42.191 14 103.923
9. 17 Miguel Duhamel Honda CBR600RR 1:42.056 16 104.060 1:42.532 8 103.577
10. 36 Martin Cardenas Suzuki GSX-R600 1:42.302 13 103.810 1:42.326 10 103.786
11. 411 Gabor Rizmayer Suzuki GSX-R600 1:42.850 22 103.260 1:43.631 13 102.479
12. 65 Bobby Fong Suzuki GSX-R600 1:43.013 22 103.090 1:43.158 21 102.949
13. 69 Danny C. Eslick Suzuki GSX-R600 1:43.017 19 103.090 1:43.331 20 102.777
14. 29 Barrett Long Ducati 848 1:43.222 17 102.890 1:44.384 7 101.740
15. 505 Nicky Moore Kawasaki ZX-6R 1:43.234 7 102.870 1:43.264 14 102.843
16. 31 Garrett D. Carter Suzuki GSX-R600 1:43.557 12 102.550 1:44.230 2 101.890
17. 87 Taylor Knapp Kawasaki ZX-6R 1:43.850 2 102.260 1:44.474 4 101.652
18. 25 David Anthony Suzuki GSX-R600 1:44.091 19 102.030 1:44.196 12 101.923
19. 188 Chad R. Lewin Honda CBR600RR 1:44.359 13 101.760 1:44.450 14 101.676
20. 105 Eric C. Wood Ducati 848 1:44.683 10 101.450 1:44.805 9 101.331
21. 56 Tony Meiring Yamaha YZF-R6 1:45.068 8 101.080 1:45.898 6 100.285
22. 116 Rob Frost Honda CBR600RR 1:45.244 14 100.910 1:45.320 15 100.835
23. 30 Tyler McDonald Yamaha YZF-R6 1:45.513 19 100.650 1:45.686 13 100.486
24. 92 Keith D. Marshall Suzuki GSX-R600 1:45.607 7 100.560 1:45.923 6 100.261
25. 33 Fernando Amantini Kawasaki ZX-6R 1:46.074 6 100.120 1:46.188 4 100.011
26. 585 Steve Atlas Honda CBR600RR 1:46.086 15 100.110 1:46.802 20 99.436
27. 164 Shane C. Narbonne Triumph Daytona 675 1:46.166 16 100.030 1:46.297 9 99.909
28. 484 Bostjan Pintar Yamaha YZF-R6 1:46.235 17 99.970 1:46.535 18 99.685
29. 333 Tristan Palmer Suzuki GSX-R600 1:46.255 9 99.950 1:48.221 8 98.133
30. 67 K. Mark Crozier Triumph Daytona 675 1:46.434 10 99.780 1:46.506 13 99.713
31. 111 Nathan H. Kern BMW HP2 Sport 1:46.540 17 99.680 1:46.904 11 99.342
32. 461 Andy Galindo Triumph Daytona 675 1:46.640 12 99.590 1:47.112 16 99.149
33. 307 Daniel C. Parkerson Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R 1:46.717 18 99.520 1:46.748 20 99.487
34. 24 Scott Ryan Kawasaki ZX-6R 1:46.900 20 99.350 1:47.035 14 99.220
35. 777 Jonas McCluskey Yamaha YZF-R6 1:46.954 17 99.300 1:47.033 20 99.222
36. 600 Chase Vivion Yamaha YZF-R6 1:47.001 7 99.250 1:47.485 15 98.805
37. 42 Chris L. Siebenhaar Suzuki GSX-R600 1:47.083 10 99.180 1:47.094 7 99.165
38. 831 Robert McLendon Triumph Daytona 675 1:47.119 8 99.140 1:47.845 10 98.475
39. 191 Eric Erling Haugo Yamaha YZF-R6 1:47.140 9 99.120 1:47.195 5 99.072
40. 146 Brian D. Parriott BMW HP2 Sport 1:47.462 12 98.830 1:47.766 13 98.547
41. 316 Kyle Keesee Yamaha YZF-R6 1:47.562 4 98.730 1:48.041 9 98.296
42. 81 C. R. Gittere Suzuki GSX-R600 1:47.572 2 98.720 1:47.873 4 98.449
43. 332 Matthew Layt Honda CBR600RR 1:47.617 10 98.680 1:48.234 9 98.121
44. 131 Jeffrey W. Purk Yamaha YZF-R6 1:47.741 11 98.570 1:47.842 9 98.477
45. 474 Bostjan Skubic Yamaha YZF-R6 1:47.781 18 98.530 1:48.339 14 98.026
46. 433 Eduard Alberts Honda CBR600RR 1:48.042 3 98.290 2:12.932 2 79.891
47. 284 Anthony W. Fania Yamaha YZF-R6 1:48.266 24 98.090 1:48.617 16 97.775
48. 221 Charles W. Sipp Buell XB12R 1:48.315 8 98.050 1:48.763 7 97.644
49. 318 Arnold E. Hastings Ducati 848 1:48.402 18 97.970 1:48.730 11 97.673
50. 291 Scott Decker Suzuki GSX-R600X 1:48.456 13 97.920 1:48.499 7 97.881
51. 225 Dirk Sanchez Suzuki GSX-R600 1:48.619 14 97.770 1:48.793 17 97.617
52. 317 Richard Cooper BMW HP2 Sport 1:48.961 16 97.470 1:49.057 17 97.380
53. 38 Dean Mizdal Suzuki GSX-R600 1:49.045 14 97.390 1:49.506 10 96.981
54. 112 Ricky Orlando Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R 1:49.048 15 97.390 1:49.175 18 97.275
55. 464 Joshua Day Yamaha YZF-R6 1:49.050 2 97.390 2:12.273 3 80.289
56. 189 Lance Yeager Yamaha YZF-R6 1:49.111 10 97.330 1:49.129 8 97.316
57. 594 David L. McPherson Yamaha YZF-R6 1:49.114 8 97.330 1:49.192 7 97.260
58. 966 Dan Ortega Yamaha YZF-R6 1:49.116 17 97.330 1:49.266 8 97.194
59. 322 James P. Digiandomenico Yamaha YZF-R6 1:49.151 10 97.300 1:49.396 5 97.079
60. 313 Rico Penzkofer BMW HP2 Sport 1:49.441 5 97.040 1:51.733 3 95.048
61. 207 Blake Kelly Honda CBR600RR 1:49.487 13 97.000 1:49.954 7 96.586
62. 551 John Orchard Yamaha YZF-R6 1:49.726 11 96.790 1:49.770 9 96.748
63. 27 Scotty L. Van Hawk Yamaha YZF-R6 1:50.019 10 96.530 1:50.342 14 96.246
64. 137 John A. Ashmead Kawasaki ZX-6R 1:50.266 8 96.310 1:50.528 7 96.084
65. 776 Gary Cain Yamaha YZF-R6 1:50.581 7 96.040 1:50.891 8 95.770
66. 269 Johnny Rock Page Yamaha YZF-R6 1:50.724 4 95.910 1:52.090 3 94.746
67. 528 Mark McCormick Yamaha YZF-R6 1:50.934 5 95.730 1:51.041 11 95.641
68. 661 Rhiannon N. Lucente Yamaha YZF-R6 1:51.049 5 95.630 1:51.283 10 95.433
69. 172 Jessica Lynn Zalusky Yamaha YZF-R6 1:51.580 11 95.180 1:52.174 8 94.675
70. 310 Rodney A. Vest Suzuki GSX-R600 1:52.166 7 94.680 1:52.410 6 94.476
71. 449 Craig Montgomery Yamaha YZF-R6 1:54.996 3 92.350 1:55.169 5 92.212
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: djduc748l on March 06, 2008, 05:52:47 PM
That's ok! It was a great race! Honestly, I had more fun in that race than my 3 wins, made me push that much harder, I will post the link to the on board video soon, rear was sliding around alot on the last 2 last trying to get a decent drive out of the corners! I'll get him next time!
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: djduc748l on March 07, 2008, 07:34:00 AM
check out the onboard video of the race!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGLBY_dQ65o
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: quicktoy on March 08, 2008, 04:49:16 PM
No big deal. If he hasnt raced since 2004, thats 3 and a half years since hes been on a race bike.  The rules state, 3 years and you can go back to amateur.  I havent raced since 2004 or even been on a bike and got my amateur back this season.  I commend Harry for beating me in the one race that he won. I started from the 5th row and was slowly realing him in, but just didnt have enough time and got 2nd.  He ran a great race and nothing but my hats off to him
Title: Re: Daytona sandbaggers
Post by: hamurobby on March 11, 2008, 07:24:41 AM
Shoot, I raced with Barry or Harry last year at Daytona. This year he was riding slower than last year, and last year there were faster guys than him at Daytona in novice.  I stopped by and wished Zarry good luck, he really is a nice guy.  8)

As far as superbikes in f40, it was won in expert by an old guy on an 02 zuki  ::)