First of all, you gotta have a wire lose to race a motorcycle on your knee, that means all of you are nuts. Second, you gotta have a lot of HP and a good set up to do well in a national at RA. I don't care who you are, or how big your bizalls are. Come out of 14 side by side with a factory guy and look at him leave you like he just stole a million dollars from you, poof..... he's gone. If you don't have factory HP and suspension, you will not do well (top 10) in a national. If you don't chase the guy in front of you like he just stole one of your bizalls, you'll suck. If you don't set up the chasis well, you will suck. I've seen some club guys run in the corners almost as fast as the factory guys only to get blazed on the straights. I wonder why?
At least me and Weeden had the bizalls to try and race against the factory guys. But we had neither the HP nor the suspension to keep up.......simple as that. Plus they have bikes that look like ours, but they are TOTALLY different. My shock cost $1,200, Aaron Yates shock cost $18,000 and that's on a 600 ss bike. And he's got the WHOLE factory supplying him with any special part that he needs to beat you VERY easily......parts that you can't get. Now, as far as the privateers go......and I won't say any names, they cheat so much it's ridiculous and they still get beat down like some Ho's that are hidin the money from their pimp. Think I'm bitchin? Come talk to me after you've entered a national. You will be humbled. Guaranteed.
I'm sure everbody knows who Doug ( former recent AMA superbike champion, former Moto GP rider ) Chandler is. Well, look what he did in the so called "slow" CCS races at Daytona this past weekend. He was riding a so called factory "supported" honda, and he got his ass bent ova.
Doug Chandler is a super talented rider by the way.
When he road for the "factory" Kawasaki team he kicked alot of ass in the 600 class. HMMM.......I wonder why? Maybe it's a combination of rider and bike? Wonder how he would have done on a full "factory" honda......Case Closed.
Forgive me as I'm apparently dim.
What's your point?
I think he is reacting to my "New Goal for the Year" post where a couple of people called their results at Road America disappointing.
Where as my point was to say their results, though humbling as indicated, are my goal :)
Did chandler compete at the CCS event?
QuoteDid chandler compete at the CCS event?
Chandler finished 6th in the Superbike, and 12th in the Sportbike race. They said he was trying to set up his bike, and not trying to be competitive...
Tez is just pissed that he doesn't have a factory ride. He could probably do one justice. Hey Tez! Tell you what. I'll be your agent, and we'll get you on with Kaw. You and Gadson could be the 2 pronged Black Attack. I get the standard 20% fee...
K3
Can you guys loan me some money so I can go prove you right? I'd love to get the chance someday to ride in an AMA National! Congrats on even getting a shot and qualifying! Someday...
QuoteCan you guys loan me some money so I can go prove you right? I'd love to get the chance someday to ride in an AMA National! Congrats on even getting a shot and qualifying! Someday...
Sell your Acura and the wife's car. Remember to buy her a gun for safety! This should get you enough money for one good SS bike and maybe four rounds.
Matt
LOL...the Acura IS the wife's car! I worked in the car biz for a couple years and had a demo to drive, so I had sold my car. Got rid of the streetbike for the racer and now I gotta find a cheap tow vehicle to use and to get around town with. ;D
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QuoteCan you guys loan me some money so I can go prove you right? I'd love to get the chance someday to ride in an AMA National! Congrats on even getting a shot and qualifying! Someday...
I second that.
I just have to face the fact that I have to get a REAL GP bike before that happens. :(
Although it's kinda like dating a girl that you know isn't 'the one'... why spend the time/money?... well sometimes ya gotta take what you can get while it's fun and affordable.
or.... you could just have fun and accept things as they are. Im hoping to have a friggin blast in CCS/club level racing. Im kinda fast.. but am not chasing a dream or anything. just havin fun. For those guys looking for factory rides.. go for it. Better to have tried than look back and say "what if..." In the end, have fun.
later
I agree with you there, but it's always fun to dream.
The only 'what if' that I always wonder about is... 'what if I started riding cycles when I was like 10.. I hear of all these guys starting riding like before they could walk (MightyDuc).. and just wonder how good I would be if I started waaayyy back then. (as opposed to getting my 1st cycle (Ninja 250) in 93)
I don't care about getting a factory ride. All im saying is that it is very hard trying to be competetive against, let alone beat MR. Factory dude. It'll never happen. If it does, they will tear you down until they find anything that they think is not legal. When I say anything, I mean ANYTHING. You will be disqualified in a heart beat. Ask 4&6 racing about that one if you think im lying. It happened to them along time ago at RA. But when people that also race try to dis your shiznit, i think that's just haten shizit. I enjoy racing against anybody who wants to race, but I don't have no pipe dreams. I don't do this for a living, I do it because it's more fun than almost anything that I have done in my life. I've been in it for 3 years.......I wish I would have known about it when I was an 18 year old kid. I would have tried very hard then to get a factory ride. But now, im just an old slow dude out there having a little fun.
But now, im just an old slow dude out there having a little fun.
If you're slow, I guess I'm super slow. It's always great to race no matter where you finish. Tez, what are you riding this year if you're selling your 750?
What the dealio Chris!!!
How ya doin? Dude, im riding 600 and 1000. I loved my 750..... i just can't afford to ride three bikes this year. I'm broke. I might be going backwards, but I hope not. We'll see what happens.....
What about you?
Hey, I was the one that thought you and Weeden should have done better. My expectations for you guys was higher.
As for AMA experience. I've done it. I don't need to do it anymore. I'm old, poor, and it won't get me anything I need.
You can do it. And probably should.
As for factory bikes... They are different. A bit. It is a package. Can you compete? It isn't cheap. But is the point to win? It has to be. It can be done. Would Yates go faster on your bike? Yes, I've raced with him over the years. He would. Nothing against you, because you ride well, but Yates can ride the wheels off a bike.
Unless you're chasing a perfect set up all the time at different tracks, it's hard to appreciate what it takes to do AMA Pro racing. You've got to be ready to go out of the box. Willing to put your elbow into someone during practice for that one lap. It's not the play time that I have at CCS events anymore. It's the big show.
Sure isn't like racing Blackhawk most of the time, right.
As for Chandler at Daytona CCS...
He's just workin' out some stuff. Why should he go break his @$$ for that and take someone's money away. He's just working on his set up. When he's ready to light the switch, he'll turn it on.
And you need to do this a little longer so you can hardly afford one bike, Tez...LOL! 8)
I can hardly afford one bike and I just started. :P
QuoteI can hardly afford one bike and I just started. :P
Ditto on that. And it's not getting any cheaper.
The unfortunate truth about racing AMA 600 is that it is not only HP, Suspension,or balls. The whole package is what counts! This is the first year in a long time we will not run the AMA 600 class ourselves, main reason $$$$$$ . It is impossible to be competitive without spending huge amounts of money , but even large amounts of money won't get you in the top ten at a 600 race unless the top 10 guys all fall down.The hardest thing is setup , if you don't have the experience running at the front of the 600 pack it's like spitting in the wind.You need someone to prepare your bike that has that experience and be willing to pay for it. If not stay where your at and be happy with what you can accomplish.
Yeah, Jim.
Isn't it sad? There was a time when it wasn't so bad. It just isn't much of reality anymore.
And Tez... what do you do that you can afford those cool shades (they looked better on me at the banqet) and race two bikes?
Well said 4&6. I'm staying my broke butt right where i am, but it is fun trying. I knew what the outcome was gonna be anyway. At least I didn't get lapped. Like i said though.....come out of 14 at RA lined up with a factory boy and see what happens. Poof.
Dave, what are you doing up at 5 0'clock in the morning? Must be dreaming about backin it in, in turn one at Black Hawk huh? Lol.
Ok, we should have done better, but wtf....how do you race factory people around the biggest road course in the US (4 miles) with l o n g ass straights and expect to keep up with them. I rode my ass off and got left like used toilet paper. Jim is right, you gotta have a lot of LOOT to finish in the top 10. May be they'll sell us a factory ss bike (ok, everybody laugh at the same time).
Aaron Yates is fast as hell and he would beat me on my own bike, that's for sure. But I know someone who never got a factory ride that would beat Aaron Yates on his bike too. I seen him do it plenty of times at Road Atlanta right before Aaron got the Suzuki ride. Hmmmm......i wonder why the other guy didn't get a ride? He was younger, if that matters.
I gotta love this racing stuff though, cause I spend every dime that have extra on it.
Anyway, i need some help with my set up. Ummm, remember im broke, but you can have those pimpy glasses. Lol.....
QuoteThe unfortunate truth about racing AMA 600 is that it is not only HP, Suspension,or balls. The whole package is what counts! This is the first year in a long time we will not run the AMA 600 class ourselves, main reason $$$$$$ . It is impossible to be competitive without spending huge amounts of money , but even large amounts of money won't get you in the top ten at a 600 race unless the top 10 guys all fall down.The hardest thing is setup , if you don't have the experience running at the front of the 600 pack it's like spitting in the wind.You need someone to prepare your bike that has that experience and be willing to pay for it. If not stay where your at and be happy with what you can accomplish.
Since 600 is becoming and Superbike has been the 2 true "factory" classes, it seems privateers that want to shine do so in the SuperStock and FX classes.
Can I ask, by factory SS bike, do you mean the true full factory rides? Or the semi-factory teams like Corona, Attack, Vesrah, Graves, etc..?
QuoteDave, what are you doing up at 5 0'clock in the morning? Must be dreaming about backin it in, in turn one at Black Hawk huh? Lol.
Ok, we should have done better, but wtf....how do you race factory people around the biggest road course in the US (4 miles) with l o n g ass straights and expect to keep up with them. I rode my ass off and got left like used toilet paper. Jim is right, you gotta have a lot of LOOT to finish in the top 10. May be they'll sell us a factory ss bike (ok, everybody laugh at the same time).
Aaron Yates is fast as hell and he would beat me on my own bike, that's for sure. But I know someone who never got a factory ride that would beat Aaron Yates on his bike too. I seen him do it plenty of times at Road Atlanta right before Aaron got the Suzuki ride. Hmmmm......i wonder why the other guy didn't get a ride? He was younger, if that matters.
I gotta love this racing stuff though, cause I spend every dime that have extra on it.
Anyway, i need some help with my set up. Ummm, remember im broke, but you can have those pimpy glasses. Lol.....
Monte and I worked and beat a factory bike at RA. You can do it too. I think Monte could have went faster. Just need a little change to the set up. I'll call that an error on my part.
5AM? I was up at 3AM. My body just WOKE UP! Hello! I was thinkin' 'bout them glasses!
8)
Quote5AM? I was up at 3AM. My body just WOKE UP! Hello! I was thinkin' 'bout them glasses!
8)
Cool 8)
Now, after while working with you, each time I don't beat someone I just call that an error on your part :D
QuoteSince 600 is becoming and Superbike has been the 2 true "factory" classes, it seems privateers that want to shine do so in the SuperStock and FX classes.
Can I ask, by factory SS bike, do you mean the true full factory rides? Or the semi-factory teams like Corona, Attack, Vesrah, Graves, etc..?
You can forget about superstock as Tommy Hayden on the 636 was the fastest guy in 750 practice this morning at daytona , by the way 6 of the top ten fastest were on 600cc bikes and that is at the fastest track the AMA races at. The graves 600 bikes are a full factory effort run out of the yamaha race shop. Corona and Attack have everything the Yosh teams have. Vesrah runs WERA which is a whole different ballgame .It doesn't matter how fast a rider you are , if you don't have the equipment or technical backing which costs big $$$$$$ you will never see the top ten in an AMA race , and considering there are over 20 factory supported bikes this year you will never see the top 20. Spend about $20,000 plus the cost of the bike and thats a different story!
Oops, sorry, I knew I would include at least one effort in my list that is full factory.
But, the others, do pretty darn well from my perspective, as in some Top 10's. True, Vesrah (MJ) runs WERA, but they haven't they also done decent in the AMA events they've entered in the past? I recall a 3rd a couple of years ago.
I'm not arguing as everyone know the factory teams are the shit...I was just "foruming" what type of bike and effort it would take to place really well in the non-factory "subrace", even if the factory boys take places 1-12 :)
I'm also not talking a full season like you are used to, Jim. Just picking a single event or 2 on a "home" track.
QuoteI don't care about getting a factory ride. All im saying is that it is very hard trying to be competetive against, let alone beat MR. Factory dude. It'll never happen. If it does, they will tear you down until they find anything that they think is not legal. When I say anything, I mean ANYTHING. You will be disqualified in a heart beat. Ask 4&6 racing about that one if you think im lying. It happened to them along time ago at RA. But when people that also race try to dis your shiznit, i think that's just haten shizit. I enjoy racing against anybody who wants to race, but I don't have no pipe dreams. I don't do this for a living, I do it because it's more fun than almost anything that I have done in my life. I've been in it for 3 years.......I wish I would have known about it when I was an 18 year old kid. I would have tried very hard then to get a factory ride. But now, im just an old slow dude out there having a little fun.
Actually we were dq'd from brainerd not Road America where the bike past tech no problem. But when you start beating up on the factory guys things happen, what they found wrong with our bike after brainerd was more political then mechanical but you can't fight city hall. we had a few other podiums that year and also finished 3rd at vegas using a head supplied by the AMA.
QuoteOops, sorry, I knew I would include at least one effort in my list that is full factory.
But, the others, do pretty darn well from my perspective, as in some Top 10's. True, Vesrah (MJ) runs WERA, but they haven't they also done decent in the AMA events they've entered in the past? I recall a 3rd a couple of years ago.
Even if you did one race you still would have to have a very well prepared bike so it still is big$$$$$
Monte ran well at RA last year and finished well back of the factory bike in front of him which was hacking, Monte was about 25 secs back . The pole for that race was 2:15.650 , the winner Yates averaged around the 2:17 range or so , Monte averaged 2:20 range times. Monte is a very good rider on a track he knows well , he just didn't have the bike to get him a higher finish. I don't think there are many riders in this area whether they have legal bikes or not that run better than a 2:20 at Road America on a 600.
I'm not arguing as everyone know the factory teams are the shit...I was just "foruming" what type of bike and effort it would take to place really well in the non-factory "subrace", even if the factory boys take places 1-12 :)
I'm also not talking a full season like you are used to, Jim. Just picking a single event or 2 on a "home" track.
Diver,
Tez told me yesterday that before you can enter an AMA race, the AMA requires you to be an expert for at least one full year. Don't know if it's true, but I do know that you said you will try to qualify for AMA races this year so you might want to check it out......
Good luck ;)
If the factory guys weren't there finishing 1-12, what factory rides would there be for everybody to dream about or shoot for as a career goal. Name any other major racing series that isn't dominated by factory supported or incredibly well-funded (i.e. Nascar type sponsors) race teams. Those teams' mere existence gives me something to shoot for. The odds are extremely poor that I'll ever get some sort of factory ride, but with things like the Hammer Talent Search, etc...the chances, although ever so slight, are there for us. Just keep riding the wheels off what ya got and hopefully somebody will notice and I GUARANTEE that once you are one of those guys, you'll quit complaining about it. And if you don't ever make it, like the future holds for most of us, at least you'll always have the "what-if" stories and the coulda shoulda woulda's when you get old and tell your grandkids about it! Just my .02.
Don't start me down this path!
NASCAR has a set of rules. They are followed and enforced. The rules are restrictive, so factories support teams. They are not factory teams. Basically, we'd have a whole lot of Jim Rashid's out there working to make things better.
And that would make the series more interesting. And more lucrative for more people. Rather than the wash it is...
Ice,
Not true, according to my understanding??? 1 full year of racing, not 1 full year of Expert racing. Giovanni Rojas last year ran AMA Supersport events despite the prior year being his first as a WERA novice.
However, looking at the curent 2003 rules, there seems to be no 1 year limitation at all...but more an emphasis on an Expert point system, that may be tough :( Maybe the couple of WERA guys who did it last year, and had iffy results, made them change their evaluation criteria?
QuoteThe graves 600 bikes are a full factory effort run out of the yamaha race shop. Corona and Attack have everything the Yosh teams have. Vesrah runs WERA which is a whole different ballgame .It doesn't matter how fast a rider you are , if you don't have the equipment or technical backing which costs big $$$$$$ you will never see the top ten in an AMA race , and considering there are over 20 factory supported bikes this year you will never see the top 20. Spend about $20,000 plus the cost of the bike and thats a different story!
Thank you Jim! Thank you.....
Jim (4&6) has had the best equipment a top priveteer team could have in the AMA, and look what he just said. And he been runnig his team for years.
You need big money and big talent like i said. Jim said it too.........now tell him he's wrong......SIKE!!
Dave, Monty is an excellent rider, no doubt about it.
He was fast everywhere last year. His bike also made alot of usable power last year. I know your gonna say it was set up good, but there is no need for a good set up when you are going down a straight. His bike was real real fast and that's not taking anything away from his riding skills.
I gonna use his engine builder from last year......I wish, im as broke as they come.
Seriously though, anyone who qualifies to be in a national is a pretty good rider. Good luck to all of you who try to.
What's up Tez?
I know you would have done better with a better setup and some motor. Now sell one of those bikes to me real cheap and get some motor. Focus baby!!
And Dave, quit taking credit for Monte's setup. He told me he changed everything back after you went to the brat-hut. :P
Matt
P.s. thanks for the #8
Matt,
I know you're going to be extra fast this year....you don't have to rub it in. No problem on the #8, it'll look good on your bike.
It'll be a tough year for sure, i counted 10 guys that are going to be super fast.......i just hope i can stick with all you fast boys.
QuoteMatt,
I know you're going to be extra fast this year....you don't have to rub it in. No problem on the #8, it'll look good on your bike.
It'll be a tough year for sure, i counted 10 guys that are going to be super fast.......i just hope i can stick with all you fast boys.
Your modest. Don't you have a #3 plate to replace the #8. I would never try to rub anything in on you, dude! Thanks for the superfast props, comin right back at you.
I'll be late coming out this year, may or june, unless I find some cash quickly. Are you running AMA superbike with the 1000?
Matt
Tez,
I think I'm just gonna ride the R6 and work on improving the carbs. After riding Russ Voight's bike I know there is a huge gain to be made in midrange. I actually set my fastest lap time on his bike at Blackhawk and wasn't really comfortable on his bike, it's just the thing had so much bottom end. I couldn't believe it. I'll have my bike up for sale this year so I can go buy an 03 R6 or something.
Chris
Quote Focus baby!!
And Dave, quit taking credit for Monte's setup. He told me he changed everything back after you went to the brat-hut. :P
LOL!
:D
Maybe you all should get a 250 GP bike and run the AMA 250GP series where there are zero full factory efforts. Even Rich Oliver has to buy his TZ. Granted it's almost impossible to break into the top 8 or so but a real good rider on a 250 should be able to manage it. ;)
Matt.. the hell you mean you're getting started in May or June? Does that mean I'm going to be going to all the races before that alone since Wuytack, Risinger, and Janisch is running WERA nationals? Squirrel doesn't have a bike to race yet.. Krauss is a broke son of a biatch and won't be racing. I'm just going to have to convince Kuntae and Boyd to come racing. Damn.. I need to find some new racing friends.
QuoteMatt.. the hell you mean you're getting started in May or June? Does that mean I'm going to be going to all the races before that alone since Wuytack, Risinger, and Janisch is running WERA nationals? Squirrel doesn't have a bike to race yet.. Krauss is a broke son of a biatch and won't be racing. I'm just going to have to convince Kuntae and Boyd to come racing. Damn.. I need to find some new racing friends.
Easy man, easy.............I'll still go and videotape your gp arse! You wanna loan me some cash or something? A dentist Rev. must be makin some buku!
Matt
Hey Rev, I'm going to be at the races. You can always pit with me, especially since I will be bugging the hell out of you with two-stroke questions.
How do you plan on getting to the track?
Now my $.02 on the subject:
Why don't we support more of our local racers participating in the prime-time AMA races. You know get t-shirts and signs made up, organize our pits into large oasises to showcase who we are. Even better - share speed secrets. 8) Team up like Ben and Miguel have done at Daytona and use the draft to increase the qualifying positions for the start of a race. Basically, if we can't beat the factory team, we can damn sure beat all of the privateers trying to come to our house and claim it as their own.
Last year, I enjoyed being able to help out Tez and Weeden when I could. I'm sure more of our riders would have appreciated that kind of attention.
We could even expand this into recording split times and video. Anything we could do to help them analyze what they are doing, and even having some information on what others are doing, should only help them go faster.
QuoteHey Rev, I'm going to be at the races. You can always pit with me, especially since I will be bugging the hell out of you with two-stroke questions.
How do you plan on getting to the track?
Sean.. I will be getting to the track the same way i've been getting to the track. My suv and trailer. Except no more rinky dink 5X6 trailer. I got me a 6X12. Since you're going to be at BHF on thursday... save me a spot. I will be rolling in friday.
Sure thing. I just hope you have something in that trailer to race with.
So Tez,
Did the $$ support of as near to factory as you can get make that much of a difference? I'm not trying to be a d1ck, I just want to know how much faster you're going now than you were before...
QuoteFirst of all, you gotta have a wire lose to race a motorcycle on your knee, that means all of you are nuts. Second, you gotta have a lot of HP and a good set up to do well in a national at RA. I don't care who you are, or how big your bizalls are. Come out of 14 side by side with a factory guy and look at him leave you like he just stole a million dollars from you, poof..... he's gone. If you don't have factory HP and suspension, you will not do well (top 10) in a national. If you don't chase the guy in front of you like he just stole one of your bizalls, you'll suck. If you don't set up the chasis well, you will suck. I've seen some club guys run in the corners almost as fast as the factory guys only to get blazed on the straights. I wonder why?
At least me and Weeden had the bizalls to try and race against the factory guys. But we had neither the HP nor the suspension to keep up.......simple as that. Plus they have bikes that look like ours, but they are TOTALLY different. My shock cost $1,200, Aaron Yates shock cost $18,000 and that's on a 600 ss bike. And he's got the WHOLE factory supplying him with any special part that he needs to beat you VERY easily......parts that you can't get. Now, as far as the privateers go......and I won't say any names, they cheat so much it's ridiculous and they still get beat down like some Ho's that are hidin the money from their pimp. Think I'm bitchin? Come talk to me after you've entered a national. You will be humbled. Guaranteed.
I'm sure everbody knows who Doug ( former recent AMA superbike champion, former Moto GP rider ) Chandler is. Well, look what he did in the so called "slow" CCS races at Daytona this past weekend. He was riding a so called factory "supported" honda, and he got his ass bent ova.
Doug Chandler is a super talented rider by the way.
When he road for the "factory" Kawasaki team he kicked alot of ass in the 600 class. HMMM.......I wonder why? Maybe it's a combination of rider and bike? Wonder how he would have done on a full "factory" honda......Case Closed.
QuoteSo Tez,
Did the $$ support of as near to factory as you can get make that much of a difference? I'm not trying to be a d1ck, I just want to know how much faster you're going now than you were before...
Thats a very good question????? The jordan semi does look sweet though but whats up with the clothes the crew wears?
I think that Tez had a broken collar bone from the CCS stuff.
Tez didn't have any off season testing.
One of the biggest things about Daytona is LEAVING Daytona. It hurts leaving Daytona when you're body, bike, championship points, and pocket book are completely drained.
Was Eric Bostrom a serious contender for the AMA National Superbike Championship this year? Yeah, but after the problems they had, Mladin will be hard to catch.
For Tez to completely gel with his crew in a matter of a few days...well, it's going to be different.
Jordan's team really WAS building the bikes at Daytona. It had only been a week or so before that they even got the bikes. Tez hadn't seen the bikes before he got to Florida, and he was riding a borrowed bike in the CCS stuff, so he only had a couple of practice sessions to learn the bikes, have the crew de-bug them, and set them up before his races. Plus he was hurt. He still managed to move forward from his starting positions. I imagine that things will get better for the Jordan effort as time goes by.
;) Still, it IS kinda funny to see you guys callin him out... ;)
Just make sure it's not motivated by jealousy.
That, and what parts will they get that you and I cant? Who knows?
I'm not calling him out and I'm not jealous. I don't have what it takes to run AMA, period. I just wanted to know how he felt about it now, since his post a year ago was so passionate about not having the right equipment and what a difference it would make. I don't know what he ran before, so I wanted to hear the comparison...
Quote.It doesn't matter how fast a rider you are , if you don't have the equipment or technical backing which costs big $$$$$$ you will never see the top ten in an AMA race , and considering there are over 20 factory supported bikes this year you will never see the top 20. Spend about $20,000 plus the cost of the bike and thats a different story!
I read a privateer finished 4th yesterday in the 200. So wassup with that? (and don't tell me 16 factory riders *all* DNF'd).
Parts won't make the bike that much faster. It's been done before. It will be done again. Barney ain't riding anything special and he was runnin' up front on TV yesterday.
Set up time will will make the speed come. Anyone setting up a bike that it being paid to do so will have access to a GMD Computrack set up, or they can at least source numbers from somewhere...and use a tape measure, etc. That should ball park it. Extra motor won't make that kind of difference in lap times. Eslick's KWS Suzuki was a lot faster than mine, but I could ride around him most of the day.
Anyway, the set up team has their responsibility, the rider has theirs. Hard work on both ends.
K3, you got an e-mail address for Tez...I should hook him up with the bone stuff so he can heal...just a few weeks until Fontana.
QuoteI read a privateer finished 4th yesterday in the 200. So wassup with that? (and don't tell me 16 factory riders *all* DNF'd).
Well, there isn't 16 factory riders anymore.
John Ashmead won the Daytona 200 in like 1989. It happens at Daytona more so now than in the past. Years ago, there were huge efforts put in by all manufacturers, and riders from Europe and Japan would compete. But it doesn't happen like that anymore. I don't have a great reason why, but that's the way it is.
QuoteJordan's team really WAS building the bikes at Daytona. It had only been a week or so before that they even got the bikes. Tez hadn't seen the bikes before he got to Florida, and he was riding a borrowed bike in the CCS stuff, so he only had a couple of practice sessions to learn the bikes, have the crew de-bug them, and set them up before his races. Plus he was hurt. He still managed to move forward from his starting positions. I imagine that things will get better for the Jordan effort as time goes by.
;) Still, it IS kinda funny to see you guys callin him out... ;)
Just make sure it's not motivated by jealousy.
Im not jealous at all I think its great that hes gettin backed by someone like Jordan i think its great for the sport. I just think the crewlooked silly but then again they are promotein Jordans stuff. I plan on running some AMA stuff next year. I agree with dave its not always the parts look at Barnes for example.
I do think the right parts will make some different, but the team, mechanics have to know what to do with them, like Super Dave said. I am sure with time, and experience in the equipment accumulated, the time will drop. I had a real learning curve with the new bike I just built, and I dropped 10 seconds after 4 days at daytona. Still have another 10 to go, but I think with track time and set up time, it will slowly drop. I know the track real well, so its not about me learning the track, just about how to get the machine to perform at its best so I have confidence in riding it. I am spending 2 extra days to set up for VIR before I go race there, I think I will go fast. Learning to use track time effiiently and not just go to races unprepared, better use my resources is my goal this year. Last year I tried to race so much, this year I am going to concentrate on going faster instead.
My best wishes to Tez and the Jordan team. I think it is refreshing to see somehting different in the paddock and on the track, not just the status quo. Looking forward to meeting him and seeing him succeed.
I think there is a big differnece !!
Just look at what would happen when Barnes would get on the banking, He would loose 20-30 bike lenghts on the factory guys.
He had his bike geared for the draft like the facotry guys, but didnt have the HP for the acceleration.
But hey he said hes 5'9" and 130 lbs, he could make it up in the infield. Guess he had a smoking setup !!!
And yea !! I was soooooo rooting for him !!! And Tez.
Tex man,
Dude, I think that you did great! I was impressed that you qualified for both races on new bikes. (That I saw show up just a few days earlier.)
I told you last week about wrenching on the Safety First team last year and seeing in real life how big of an accomplishment it is just to make the show.
I watched you in the International Horseshoe and could tell that you still looked uncomfortable on the bike. But, you did a great job. (I was curious to see of you would qualify.) You earned my respect.
Props to you, from somebody who watched his local CCS boys just try to qualify in Superbike and FX all season long last year. Your the man, good luck the rest of the year!
PS - Infineon is tough...
Dave, I agree with you for many guys, but in Barney's case 3 or 4 more HP would have likely put him on the podium. The bike was geared correctly (unlike in the F-USA Sportbike race), he was just down on power. HP does make a difference at Daytona, as you well know, if you are running near the front. You need it to be able to pull out of the draft and sustain a pass. Barney was just a little bit off on power, and he couldn't make the passes stick.
At the highest levels, money can make a big, big difference in results.
It was a great race, and I'm really looking forward to the rest of the season. Supersport and Superstock will be exciting to watch.
Hey Tez, I am jealous!!!! But with that said, I am not jealous of the work ahead of you.
I also helped out a little with "Safety First Racing's" AMA schedule, Bill is super right on about Infinion Raceway, very cool but difficult track.
People like us don't get it, we are so used to just entering a race and racing. AMA has a cut off as far as the % you need to be inside of to get to "the show." You already made the first one, next step get more consistently faster.
I am a firm believer that if you can't win regional races in CCS/WERA, keep your butt on the sidelines. Tez, you have won expert races and allot of them, at our level. You have no one to answer to besides your sponsors, the closest thing allot of people who are talking smack on here have had to a sponsor is some local dealer giving them parts for cost. Ride hard, work hard, and remember HAVE FUN!!! You are living a dream!!
Your old AM. nemesis
PJ #55
QuoteDave, I agree with you for many guys, but in Barney's case 3 or 4 more HP would have likely put him on the podium.
He may not have even needed that much. I bet if we ran the finish five times, Barney would have consistently been closer to the front.
And, Barney didn't have any friends up there. I mean, if you're gettin' a paycheck from Yamaha USA, or Kawasaki North America, you're gonna do what you can to make sure that you or your team mates are up there with you.
How does that make the teams look?
Anyway, for someone like Barnes, the little bits and tricks can be utilized to an advantage that is tangable. For the rest of us mortals, and maybe a little above mortal, it isn't going to make a huge difference in the reality of going around the track. There's still time to be gained from our own personal efforts in riding and set up.