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Title: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on January 04, 2008, 08:35:35 PM
Well, there should be new ones in spring.   :biggrin:   :cheers:

Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: dylanfan53 on January 04, 2008, 09:22:38 PM
After they just upgraded from the rusty trough to the porcelain?  Geez, I guess the new owner's going all fancy now.
:lmao:
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on January 04, 2008, 09:31:49 PM
Well, I think he has always enjoyed the track, and he'd like it to have some facilities that are a bit more attractive.  I'll post a picture of the void.  Right now, the whole bathroom/shower facility is completely gone. 
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: GSXR RACER MIKE on January 04, 2008, 10:43:25 PM
Quote from: Super Dave on January 04, 2008, 09:31:49 PM...I'll post a picture of the void...

:ass:   :lmao:
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: r1owner on January 05, 2008, 12:41:05 AM
And you guys made fun of me for saying they should put new shitters in....  :kicknuts:
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Woofentino Pugrossi on January 05, 2008, 01:11:39 AM
They at least need to put a porta-potty at the cornerstations in 2 and 5. 2 at least you can sneak into the woods. 5 you are pretty much out of luck.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on January 05, 2008, 08:25:26 AM
Here's where the bathrooms used to be.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: r1owner on January 05, 2008, 09:14:07 AM
Quote from: Super Dave on January 05, 2008, 08:25:26 AM
Here's where the bathrooms used to be.

Looks more inviting than the old ones! ;)
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: weggieman on January 05, 2008, 01:42:28 PM
I hear tech is being moved to between the new shitters and the tower.

They called in Mike Irwin to give them info on water pipe layout and so forth. Some guy was walking around with a divining rod trying to find them. Mike had to laugh because the guy was finding water everywhere. Mike said, "What the hell do you expect, the water table here is at most 48".  So they dug some holes and guess what? Yep, water everywhere they dug....about 48" down. The whole place is floating........... but we knew that already. It's a freaking swamp.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Court Jester on January 05, 2008, 04:25:30 PM
sounds like the new owner is taking some big steps in the right direction. any chance some of the trees around the track will be removed???
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: eddie1000rr on January 05, 2008, 04:38:44 PM
ALLLLLLL RIGHTTTTTttttt!
I may camp there this year after all then!
Last year, I think i'd rather shit my pants then use those toilets...I heard if you listened real quietly at night...you could hear the sludge growling in there.
J/K I know it takes allot of money to keep a facillity up and running and sometimes somethings need to be overlooked  :rollseyes:
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: weggieman on January 06, 2008, 12:22:05 PM
Ah, you youngsters that weren't around before those "terrible bathrooms" at BHF. You should have seen what was there before the last ones...............

Spoiled little children. It's a place to shit! Not a freakin spa.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: tzracer on January 06, 2008, 06:42:17 PM
Quote from: weggieman on January 06, 2008, 12:22:05 PM
Ah, you youngsters that weren't around before those "terrible bathrooms" at BHF. You should have seen what was there before the last ones...............

Spoiled little children. It's a place to shit! Not a freakin spa.

How about the out houses at Road America (no flush toilets not too long ago).
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: eddie1000rr on January 06, 2008, 07:40:46 PM
Quote from: weggieman on January 06, 2008, 12:22:05 PM
Ah, you youngsters that weren't around before those "terrible bathrooms" at BHF. You should have seen what was there before the last ones...............

Spoiled little children. It's a place to shit! Not a freakin spa.

Call me spoiled, but I used the CLEANER outhouse over there...that way I didnt get like 48 mosquito bites on my face, neck chest, ass and nuts!
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: unter_kid on January 07, 2008, 02:51:23 PM
QuoteHow about the out houses at Road America (no flush toilets not too long ago).

I remember going out to the SCCA races with my dad when I was 3-4 and being scared to take a crap because I thought I was going to fall in the hole.  To this day I can still smell the funk that came from those things.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on January 07, 2008, 05:48:36 PM
That's part of character building...LOL!
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: weggieman on January 08, 2008, 06:30:07 PM
Not to worry Dave.......we have plenty of characters on here.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on January 08, 2008, 06:37:00 PM
 :biggrin:
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: unforgivenracing on January 09, 2008, 08:16:26 PM
Just don't be surprized when you have to deposit money in a slot in order to use the spot!  As fare as overlooking maintaince to a compound like BHF, Somethings  should have been addressed years ago. 

   :preachon: I still think BHF changes in regard to safety need addressed and corrected. I/E: safe run-offs, Trees, and the standing water (west nile breeding ground), and the muddy infield areas your expected to pitch a campsite. In this regard, Better drainage is still needed, as with airaiting the "holding ponds" to cut down on bugs.  Cutting down all the weeds also would help with this matter.  Doing some landscaping may bring in more bussiness in regards to venders.  In short......There are ways to not make it so odviouse that the track was built in a swamp.  Just as with others that where built ontop of a landfill.
Thankyou for listing....I feel better now.

Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: barney on January 09, 2008, 08:40:47 PM
If you don't like blackhawk please stay away and quit the bitchin. I feel better.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: KTG on January 09, 2008, 09:13:45 PM
What do you want flower gardens and water fountains? 
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: cbirk on January 09, 2008, 09:22:49 PM
Sounds like that guy has it all figured out.  :whine:

I LOVE BHF!
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: weggieman on January 09, 2008, 11:07:42 PM
First let me say that the local health dept. inspects that track every year and behold......... it passes the inspections. The place would be shut down if it didn't, so no, the right spectator/visitor didn't do jack.

Second the place is a wetland and the track owbership is sverely restricted as to what they can and cannot do concerning those "holding ponds". They are freaking ponds Einstein. The owners only a few years ago had to go to great lengths to comply with state law concerning mosquito breeding. There isn't much else they can do. They're stuck between laws and people's wishes.

Safety, you obviously are a newby to BHF or you would know of the many safety related improvements that have been made there over the years. And, yes it takes a LOT of money and work  to make these improvements. More than you would think. I personally helped with several of these improvements so I know what was involved. Where were you when we were building air fence for the track? Or cutting down trees in turn 5 or clearing trees and brush in turns 1 and 7, also filling in drop off areas in the same turns. Or how about redesigning the turn 3- 4 section.

I have camped at BHF too many times to count and have always been able to find high enough ground to not get wet. Maybe you're not looking in th right places............

Lanscaping won't bring in another soul to that place. it's not a fraking garden for viewing, IT'S A RACE TRACK! Landfills are easy to cover up swamps and wetlands are not because they are federally protected areas and have way too many laws protecting them.

Be glad the track has been there as long as it has and will continue as long as people support it......unlike you. The track has been there a long time because the owners have and will continue to meet the requirements of the law and make improvements as afforded.

This track is under it's 3rd owner as of late last year. The first owner built it and milked it for all he could. It was a pit. The 2nd owners, Ray and MiIke Irwin made a ton of improvements over their 20 years of ownership. The new owner is looking at and already making improvements that are sure to please many and piss off others because their favorite pet peave didn't get fixed.

So, get off your ass and support the place. Without it you race where? Oh yeah RA once a year or you travel your ass all over hell and back. With todays fuel prices I would think most of the racers at BHF are damn glad they have it, no matter what.

Race tracks are not the gold mines you think they are. They take a tremendous amount of work, money and politcs to keep them open and I am damn glad there are people out there willing to keep them open.

Now, thank you for listening and I feel better too...............
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on January 10, 2008, 07:47:39 AM
Another new buidling going up...
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: r1owner on January 10, 2008, 08:32:15 AM
Is that the sauna?  Cause if it isn't Blackhawk sucks!
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Garywc on January 10, 2008, 09:02:33 AM
 i raced BHF for the 1st time in 2007 and hopefully the last time.
just because they have been doing improvements for the last 20 years doesn't mean its a safe track.
the run off sucks trees are everywhere. and dont say no one ever crashes there. people crash every where look at Barber people where killed there this year on one of the safest tracks.

the curbing? what is that shit  its like a curb you would have on a highway its crap!

the black top was complete garbage

putting up a fence where a bike went into the bleachers ? how about fix the problem?

pit row? it might as well be a dirt road with the scoring tower right on the track

the pits what a dump

not enough electric  they charge you for half an outlet (rip off)

get to park in mud

and the bathrooms they might as well just have had portajohns

so if that was improvements over the last 20 years you can keep that track all to yourselfs

as far as the team challenge being there this season again thats a round i will gladly miss

Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on January 10, 2008, 09:39:01 AM
Quote from: Garywc on January 10, 2008, 09:02:33 AM
pit row? it might as well be a dirt road with the scoring tower right on the track
Well, actually, pit road was a dirt road up until the end of 1988. 

We could make a list of tracks that didn't even exist then too. 

The bathrooms have always been just above a portapotty.  We were at least excited when the pee trough was replaced. 

Trees.  While there are trees there, I don't know of a time when I've actually ended up close to one.  And I have highsided in Blackhawk's turn two. 

Electric?  Yes, but some tracks don't have electric. 

Improvements?  No, nothing "substantial", but, again, a resurgence in tracks is new.  Track days are even new.  That doesn't mean that I wouldn't enjoy or wish for changes at Blackhawk, Brainerd, Scummit, Sledges, Daytona, Barber, Sears, and so on.

Twenty years of improvements are in the past.  And that was the past owner.  The new owner took "delivery" late in 2007.  There will be some changes.  Don't know if you'll notice them, don't know if you'll care.  I've spent some time at Summit, and I know there have been changes over the many years that I've been there.  However, they didn't seem like much to me either.  Changes don't happen over night.  I know we're all hoping for something different.

Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on January 10, 2008, 09:49:44 AM
Quote from: Garywc on January 10, 2008, 09:02:33 AM
just because they have been doing improvements for the last 20 years doesn't mean its a safe track.
the run off sucks trees are everywhere. and dont say no one ever crashes there. people crash every where look at Barber people where killed there this year on one of the safest tracks.
Ah, sorry, I wanted to address that...

New tracks even have a hard time being safe.  That's a long complicated thread all on its own. 
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Jeff on January 10, 2008, 10:05:13 AM
Quote from: unforgivenracing on January 09, 2008, 08:16:26 PM
Thankyou for listing....I feel better now.

Nobody's listening...

When they start racing at Starbucks and Macy's, we'll give you a call.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Garywc on January 10, 2008, 11:40:02 AM
Quote from: Super Dave on January 10, 2008, 09:49:44 AM
Ah, sorry, I wanted to address that...

New tracks even have a hard time being safe.  That's a long complicated thread all on its own. 

I no offense to any one i just felt like adding my 2 cents about my experience at BHF
but every track has its bad points and dangers
but I will keep racing and trying new tracks as long as i have fun
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: truckstop on January 10, 2008, 11:59:15 AM
QuoteWhen they start racing at Starbucks and Macy's, we'll give you a call.

Heh.
Maybe it's because my involvement with racing started in Rally - where mud, rain, sleet, snow, peeing in the bushes, mosquitoes, working all night in a mud pit or at best a hotel parking lot to fix a car the client rolled in the mud were all common place... and it was way fun... that makes me like Blackhawk.

The ladies toilets usually involve the shooing out of beetles, mosquitos, and crickets, and the showers... well, the moldy attack curtain was no fun, but I don't think the place is *that* bad. My only real complaint is the mutant mosquitoes that are impervious to bug spray. Otherwise, taking a walk around the track at dusk, it tends to be rather pretty with the trees and lack of perfectly manicured landscaping (but I'm a dirty hippy so whatever). Feels like home.

I've been there plenty in the rain and we pit in the grass - we've never found it particularly muddy, but I guess we're familiar enough with what areas to avoid. Wet and miserable at times, yes, but that's going to happen anywhere that it's raining. Also, being able to hang out around a campfire at night with friends is one of the best things about a race weekend, but to each his own.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Jeff on January 10, 2008, 12:40:30 PM
Bottom line, every facility could use improvements from EVERY facet.  There are good & bad points to all of them. BHF is not unique for anything.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on January 10, 2008, 02:12:46 PM
Quote from: Garywc on January 10, 2008, 11:40:02 AM
I no offense to any one i just felt like adding my 2 cents about my experience at BHF
but every track has its bad points and dangers
but I will keep racing and trying new tracks as long as i have fun
I understand, Gary. 

It's just more fun to scream all about this now in the comfort of a warm house.     :biggrin:   :cheers:  (Merlo's from Anna Maria's...which I can't drink anymore)
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: weggieman on January 10, 2008, 07:06:21 PM
Yeah, a Starbucks in the pits would prolly fix it all for some of these guys Jeff. Sick.....................
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: r1owner on January 10, 2008, 07:55:07 PM
Quote from: weggieman on January 10, 2008, 07:06:21 PM
Yeah, a Starbucks in the pits would prolly fix it all for some of these guys Jeff. Sick.....................

"I'm going to beat you Ricky Bubby."
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: weggieman on January 10, 2008, 08:25:14 PM
Beat me, whip me, make me write bad checks........
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: spyderchick on January 10, 2008, 08:52:52 PM
You know what? BFR is never going to be Road America, Miller Motorsports Park or VIR. What it can continue to be is a relatively affordable place for all sorts of racing and track events. I remember the all the safety concerns over the years, and one by one they always seem to get addressed. Sometimes even before a tragedy.

Yes, the place could be a country club, but do you want to pay country club fees? Good, Then go race at Autobahn.
























oh, that's right, we no longer race there


PS: Pardon my bitchiness, but I'm tired of negativity. Let's make 2008 a positive year!
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Jason748 on January 10, 2008, 09:39:47 PM
Since we're bitching about BHF, here's mine...  :ahhh:  The racing surface is too damn hard!  I shit you not, everytime I crash it grinds down my pegs, my frame sliders, cracks breaks or marrs up my bodywork!  Hell it's even broken both my collarbones!   :biggrin:

It'll be nice to see the improvments there.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Oscar_Madison on January 10, 2008, 10:04:21 PM
I'm so glad BHF is in my backyard. If I lived near a track like Gateway I probably wouldn't being doing much racing close to home. That track just plain sucks!  I'm sure there are some people who like it but to me it is not even close to being suitable for racing motorcycles.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: r1owner on January 10, 2008, 10:26:55 PM
Quote from: Oscar_Madison on January 10, 2008, 10:04:21 PM
I'm so glad BHF is in my backyard. If I lived near a track like Gateway I probably wouldn't being doing much racing close to home. That track just plain sucks!  I'm sure there are some people who like it but to me it is not even close to being suitable for racing motorcycles.

I like BHF AND Gateway! :)
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: coolice on January 10, 2008, 11:15:31 PM
BHF is a great affordable track. And if you don't like the bathrooms, just drive your own there! (we do)
Just stop by Buell Alley, we have lots of fun out there every race weekend! In tents, trailers, and r/v's.
And yes Alexa lets make 08 a positive year!
Did they add more power for us there Dave?
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: r1owner on January 11, 2008, 12:19:24 AM
Quote from: coolice on January 10, 2008, 11:15:31 PM
BHF is a great affordable track. And if you don't like the bathrooms, just drive your own there! (we do)
Just stop by Buell Alley,

So we can use your bathroom then?
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: KTG on January 11, 2008, 01:03:47 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe BHF started life out as a private club.....We should all be so lucky to grace its beauty!
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: K3 Chris Onwiler on January 11, 2008, 06:27:52 AM
Racetracks in general have primitive accomodations.  Trees and guardrails get closer to the track with every new model year.  Road America has changed so drastically in the 40 years I've been going there that you wouldn't think it was the same place.  Getting chased out of Barber or Daytona at night when you'd rather camp makes you appreciate tracks like Blackhawk.

The Polo Club proably has nicer facilities but I wouldn't know.  Those aren't the kind of horses I ride.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: eddie1000rr on January 11, 2008, 08:34:23 AM
Quote from: spyderchick on January 10, 2008, 08:52:52 PM
You know what? BFR is never going to be Road America, Miller Motorsports Park or VIR. What it can continue to be is a relatively affordable place for all sorts of racing and track events. I remember the all the safety concerns over the years, and one by one they always seem to get addressed. Sometimes even before a tragedy.

Yes, the place could be a country club, but do you want to pay country club fees? Good, Then go race at Autobahn.
























oh, that's right, we no longer race there


PS: Pardon my bitchiness, but I'm tired of negativity. Let's make 2008 a positive year!

+1
I DO Love that track.....Love the layout & the scenery and all that.....I'm  glad they are fixing the bathrooms however...I drag raced cars for a long while so Im no stranger to bad bathrooms...So bitchin aside, I think we would all enjoy a cleaner place to crap, clean up, etc.
See you there!
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: backMARKr on January 11, 2008, 10:15:55 AM
Quote from: Jason748 on January 10, 2008, 09:39:47 PM
Since we're bitching about BHF, here's mine...  :ahhh:  The racing surface is too damn hard!  I shit you not, everytime I crash it grinds down my pegs, my frame sliders, cracks breaks or marrs up my bodywork!  Hell it's even broken both my collarbones!   :biggrin:

It'll be nice to see the improvments there.

PREACH ON BROTHER....that damn T7 broke my collarbone too! :banghead:





no matter how bad it is, BHF feels like home  :thumb:
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: spyderchick on January 11, 2008, 10:35:44 AM
I think one of the most positive things about BFR is that it's a good social track. You don't have to walk a half a mile to someone else's' pits like at Road A. You can walk to most corners for viewing as well. Tighter tracks are nice like that.


See? Don't y'all feel all warm and fuzzy now? :biggrin:
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on January 11, 2008, 10:51:38 AM
What if I feel that way all the time?
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Jeff on January 11, 2008, 02:22:21 PM
Quote from: Super Dave on January 11, 2008, 10:51:38 AM
What if I feel that way all the time?


Then you need a wax.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on January 11, 2008, 02:42:34 PM
Shaving was easier.

Still can't see well.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: dabirk23 on January 11, 2008, 11:22:17 PM
Sure, there is a need to remove some trees at BFR. However, those who complain about the trees now would be the first ones to complain about the lack of shade or it being too windy if the trees weren't there.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: weggieman on January 13, 2008, 08:34:09 PM
Well, considering the camping at BHF is free...........I don't see how camping there is support. All you pay for is electric if you need it.

Give the new owner an opportunity to make his changes, whatever they are. He is open to suggestions.

Yes the area is considered a wetland. You won't find it listed anywhwere because it doesn't have to be. Any natural wet land area is protected by federal and state laws. Changes made to the track previously were restricted by those laws. The little stream that runs through the track and the ponds are untouchable as well as anything that increases or decreases drainage to or from them. That's just the way it is, so no you cannot dredge or fill anything.

The outfield area as you call it will never be used for camping. Having everyone in a somewhat confined, controlled area is what works best at this facility. Also, if you check the property lines for the track you will find there isn't much area outside the perimeter of the race track. The property lines are real close except for the area from turn 5 and six to the front gate. The area to the left leaving the track from turn 5 out is an airstrip so that is unuseable. The other side of the entrance road has largely been unused over the years. They tried an off road track for awhile but that never produced anything fruitful for them.

As for campers, there always seems to be a fair share of people there every weekend camping and hanging out. Sure the motels get their share also but mostly from the racers that don't care to camp.

Maybe the track should start charging for camping in order to pay for the amenities you want. I'm quite sure that would make a lot of people happy right? In the mean time enjoy the races and please stay at a motel, the people that are camping want to sleep........ not listen to you whining.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: JBraun on January 14, 2008, 03:01:30 PM
If you don't like BHF, race elsewhere. You have choices.

I have no trouble camping at Blackhawk, and I'm glad it's free.

It's funny that a thread about BHF improving it's facilities is full of bitching about said facilities. They're making it better, so be thankful.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Helmsman on January 14, 2008, 06:04:41 PM
Unforgivin: have you ever tried doing ANYTHING with a wetland?  The DNR gets really bitchy real fast.  Try to get a permit to dredge a pond or increase drainage.....you'll find it pretty damn hard, if not impossible.  Ask any farmer who wants to tile a corner of a field that get a puddle in it every now and then.

The bathrooms and such don't bother me much, i don't camp at the track expecting the hilton!....run off in turn 2 is an issue, as is the fence from the bus stop through 5.  Would be nice to see the run off smoothed out in 1 and 7.  I've heard rumors that some of those issues might be being addressed?

All in all, i guess i sign up for the risk.  I have no illusions that i will ever have any sort of career doing this, so if the risks are to great in my mind, i can just walk away.  Maybe some day i will regret taking the risks, but as for now, i can't bitch about the risks that i willing take of my own free will.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: unforgivenracing on January 16, 2008, 08:59:24 AM
Helmsman:  This is what I do understand...You get what you pay for.  It's not RA, and it's not RA prices. 
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on January 16, 2008, 09:19:53 AM
We're certainly getting off topic, but land hasn't been made in a long time.  Land prices continue to go up because of that.  Land developers look for value, certainly, but development occurs in certain areas, and you pay the price to make the development.  That's how they make money. 

State DNR/EPA have specific regulations for specific purposes.  Yeah, it's BS because they will allow a developer to do some things to housing areas because of the taxes that will be generated by a residential plot vs an ag area, etc.  Blackhawk is not residential.  There are very specific parameters that they, and other race tracks, can do to their lands. 
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: weggieman on January 16, 2008, 07:05:43 PM
Unforgiven, I assume your talking about thye turn two oak tree?

That was supposed to be taken care of awhile back but it got dropped after Mike Irwin left the property. It has been suggested to the new owner that that area be addressed, trees removed and guard railing backed up. Maybe it will happen this year????

There isn't a section of BHF anywhere that if you blow a corner you'll end up in water.  There are other tracks that have that issue but not BHF.

WERA used BHF regularly back in the late 70s and early 80s. Then their entries for BHF got so low they couldn't make an event happen there anymore so they quit coming. I raced WERA and CCS in the early 80s and helped out others before that. Been going to BHF since 1981.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: cbirk on January 16, 2008, 09:42:11 PM
Been going since 86' and I'm 27 now.  :biggrin:  I love it!


My biggest complaint is they don't have 802.11y wireless available to all in the paddock.... sheesh
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: unforgivenracing on January 16, 2008, 10:43:15 PM
Hey, but we will have new shitters (again) by St. Pat's huh?  So, for the bugs, I will continue to load up on beens and franks.  Then I can smog the campsite around my tent.    :lmao:
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: weggieman on January 17, 2008, 05:59:54 PM
I really hope you're not talking about burning tires..........that would be a bad, bad idea.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: unforgivenracing on January 19, 2008, 07:32:23 PM
Honestly....No-way!  But it definitely gets rid of the bugs?  And doesn't cause Cancer like Deet.... :err:

I was simply going from one extrem to the next in reference to options in pest control.  (sorry for any confusion)
 
  And way off the subject of the new restrooms.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: unforgivenracing on January 19, 2008, 07:40:23 PM
Paddock is'nt big enough anymore is why....
Quote from: yzfkneedragger on January 16, 2008, 09:42:11 PM
Been going since 86' and I'm 27 now.  :biggrin:  I love it!


My biggest complaint is they don't have 802.11y wireless available to all in the paddock.... sheesh
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Jan on January 20, 2008, 06:48:30 PM
Foundation is there for bathrooms.  Corner one corner station is not there anymore.
Tree outside the exit the carousel, three trees outside the bus stop, the two trees across the track leading to the maintenance building and the big willow  tree on the outside of corner 5 are gone.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on January 20, 2008, 07:13:53 PM
You're gonna need a bigger sweeper.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: GSXR RACER MIKE on January 21, 2008, 12:23:34 AM
With that layer of snow on the track I bet I could drift my Dually sideways all the way around that turn!  :thumb:
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: KTG on January 21, 2008, 12:43:48 AM
Quote from: Jan on January 20, 2008, 06:48:30 PM
Foundation is there for bathrooms.  Corner one corner station is not there anymore.
Tree outside the exit the carousel, three trees outside the bus stop, the two trees across the track leading to the maintenance building and the big willow  tree on the outside of corner 5 are gone.

I got to get out there and see it....Is Tom out there all the time, during this time of year?  And can I rally the Audi? :)
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Jan on January 21, 2008, 05:30:49 PM
It could be that Tom is there, I did not see him this Sunday.
Drift a dually? Let KTG know, he'll take some pictures.
Bigger sweeper? I need a sponsor.
With those trees gone it does make corner 5 corner station stick out like a sore thumb and I would not be surprised if the station will get a different home.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: KTG on January 21, 2008, 09:55:44 PM
Quote from: Jan on January 21, 2008, 05:30:49 PM
It could be that Tom is there, I did not see him this Sunday.
Drift a dually? Let KTG know, he'll take some pictures.
Bigger sweeper? I need a sponsor.
With those trees gone it does make corner 5 corner station stick out like a sore thumb and I would not be surprised if the station will get a different home.

Was anyone there?  Trespasser!  I'd like to go there and take a video and some pictures.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Jan on January 21, 2008, 10:15:30 PM
I was just cleaning up some debris.
Call Cindy at the track.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: red900 on January 21, 2008, 11:57:20 PM
Nothin like haulin with the low rider.....  crazy rednecks

Cant wait to see the changes.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: GSXR RACER MIKE on January 22, 2008, 01:00:22 AM
Quote from: Jan on January 21, 2008, 05:30:49 PM
Drift a dually?

I was having a BLAST driving in the snow we got here in Rockford today, this stuff was perfect for drifting my truck! Really reminds me of all the years I spent riding 3-Wheelers and being able to pitch the back end sideways at will and just keep it sliding for as long as I had space.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: KTG on January 22, 2008, 03:50:32 PM
Quote from: Jan on January 21, 2008, 10:15:30 PM
I was just cleaning up some debris.
Call Cindy at the track.

Ahh...Don't you have summer performance tires on your truck!?  That has got to be scary
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: weggieman on January 22, 2008, 08:10:40 PM
Nothing done in turn 2??  Looks like the car guys got the stuff they wanted moved. What about the crap that needs removal for the bikes?
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Jan on January 22, 2008, 08:14:17 PM
Yes, they are performance tires but isn't performance all about traction?
And don't forget that this is not in the woods, here the road goes right up close to the trees.

Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: KTG on January 22, 2008, 09:07:54 PM
Quote from: Jan on January 22, 2008, 08:14:17 PM
Yes, they are performance tires but isn't performance all about traction?


Not when the perf. tread gets packed instantly with snow!  Then you get a slick :)
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on January 23, 2008, 08:18:56 AM
Quote from: weggieman on January 22, 2008, 08:10:40 PM
Nothing done in turn 2?
Well, no one did it before. 

But all the trees still come down one at a time.  It's like eating an elephant.  You do it one bite at a time.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Burt Munro on January 23, 2008, 12:33:19 PM
Quote from: Super Dave on January 23, 2008, 08:18:56 AM

But all the trees still come down one at a time.  It's like eating an elephant.  You do it one bite at a time.
Your diet restictions sure have you eating some weird stuff!   :biggrin:
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on January 23, 2008, 12:51:07 PM
LOL!  Mmmmm...elephant jerky.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: RCR_531 on January 23, 2008, 02:11:11 PM
Dave has alway liked trunks. :spank:
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: backMARKr on January 23, 2008, 03:04:22 PM
Quote from: RCR_531 on January 23, 2008, 02:11:11 PM
Dave has alway liked trunks. :spank:

I am..............................


















afraid :ahhh:
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: weggieman on January 23, 2008, 06:16:57 PM
look out for the trunk monkeys dave.........
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: KTG on January 24, 2008, 01:20:48 AM
Back off topic, if you don't want mosquitoes, let the "car guys" have a few more events before CCS....  8)

(https://www.ccsforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi17.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb87%2FKTGMEASAP%2FIMG_2349.jpg&hash=3e2105bbeb715dcc583f615d6e3b17c1671c3685)

Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Burt Munro on January 24, 2008, 09:30:49 PM
I had no idea a Mazda was legal for the Steam Powered class!!!
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: KTG on January 24, 2008, 10:20:32 PM
A lot of white stuff comes out the pipe with a good wankel!   :wtf:   
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: GSXR RACER MIKE on January 24, 2008, 11:17:51 PM
As stolen off the new Blackhawk Farms website:

Jan. 2008 - Blackhawk Farms Raceway is in the process of undergoing significant facility updates in preparation for the 2008 racing season. Some changes you will see as you pull into the track is the addition of a new 6,000 sq. ft. track office / retail space located just inside the gate. The new building will house track operations as well as Midwest headquarters for Frisby Performance Tire. Inside the track, a new tech building will be located just North of the food pavillion as well as a revised impound area. The third new building you will find is an all new restroom facility. Sponsored by Kohler, the new restrooms will have updated fixtures, new showers, and will be heated for those cold spring and fall races. Additional paddock area is also being added south of the main entrance road. Power is being relocated throughout the track for better access to hookups. All this construction is scheduled to be completed by opening day in April.

Looks like the new owner is on a mission so far!  :thumb:
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: RCR_531 on January 24, 2008, 11:23:21 PM
That sounds great. Can't wait to get up to see it all.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on January 25, 2008, 05:36:10 AM
Steel plates were going on the bathrooms yesterday.  The walls and stuff are going up today.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Garywc on January 25, 2008, 08:59:23 AM
Quote from: Super Dave on January 25, 2008, 05:36:10 AM
Steel plates were going on the bathrooms yesterday.  The walls and stuff are going up today.

you getting your own stall?
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on January 25, 2008, 09:33:03 AM
I'll take anything I can get.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on February 01, 2008, 09:41:06 AM
Just a couple more pictures while I was there a couple weeks ago.

Walls were going up on the new bathroom the next day.  That was last Thursday.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: xb9racer on February 01, 2008, 04:26:49 PM
I, for the life of me,  can't picture where that nice new building is sitting on the property!
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Burt Munro on February 01, 2008, 04:33:03 PM
Quote from: xb9racer on February 01, 2008, 04:26:49 PM
I, for the life of me,  can't picture where that nice new building is sitting on the property!
I may be wrong, but I believe it is just inside of the security gate, on the left hand (south) side as you enter.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: r1owner on February 01, 2008, 04:44:09 PM
Is it inside the track?
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on February 01, 2008, 05:10:53 PM
Right, as you go through the gate and the guard shack, the administration building is on the right, and then the new building will be on the left. 

The bathrooms are on the same spot as the old ones.  Maybe I can get some pictures tomorrow as I leave town.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Burt Munro on February 02, 2008, 09:10:17 AM
Quote from: r1owner on February 01, 2008, 04:44:09 PM
Is it inside the track?
Scott,

I think you're asking if the building in the picture is on the infield of the track.   No, this would be on the entry road before you cross over the track near turn #6. 
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: r1owner on February 02, 2008, 10:40:13 AM
I guess he doesn't plan on using it much during an event.  That building is for working on cars and selling stuff right?
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: weggieman on February 02, 2008, 10:25:00 PM
This building is the new "office" building for the track, it has nothing to do with on track activities on any weekend so no it won't be used much during an event......................
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on February 03, 2008, 11:29:16 PM
Yeah, I'm with Gordie.  I can't say that I know exactly what it will be used for, but there is always office work going on, and I believe that's all moving into that building.  Will some of the maintenance equipment move there?  Might, but I don't know.

I have pictures of the bathrooms with the walls up and all, but I don't have my cord to down load.  And I won't be home until the end of the week.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: GSXR RACER MIKE on February 03, 2008, 11:41:57 PM
Good you got pics when you did, we just got quite a bit more snow here tonight.

Do you know when they plan on doing the new tech building, I'm curious if that's going to be right where MJ and myself have been pitting for a while now?  :ahhh:
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on February 03, 2008, 11:48:48 PM
I left Saturday AM.


I think the tech building is supposed to be right there.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on February 04, 2008, 12:35:20 AM
A picture off the Blackhawk site before I was there.

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Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on February 04, 2008, 12:36:22 AM
A picture off the Blackhawk site before I was there Saturday.
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Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: dylanfan53 on February 04, 2008, 08:31:32 PM
Is it just me, or does it seem like Dave has an inordinate interest in the shitters?   :ass:


Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: r1owner on February 04, 2008, 09:04:23 PM
Quote from: dylanfan53 on February 04, 2008, 08:31:32 PM
Is it just me, or does it seem like Dave has an inordinate interest in the shitters?   :ass:




LOL!  As long as it's not rest area shitters, I guess we're OK!
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on February 04, 2008, 09:24:48 PM
That's where I harvest students.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: r1owner on February 04, 2008, 09:28:33 PM
That explains why Timmay took your class... it's all making sense now.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: gpz11 on March 11, 2008, 03:29:57 PM
Hey Dave, Any updates that you can pass along?
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: GSXR RACER MIKE on March 11, 2008, 05:06:08 PM
Quote from: gpz11 on March 11, 2008, 03:29:57 PMHey Dave, Any updates that you can pass along?
Is 'PASS' really the right word to use?  :ass:  :biggrin:
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: r1owner on March 11, 2008, 06:27:40 PM
This thread has gone down the shitter.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on March 11, 2008, 07:59:26 PM
No battery power in my camera, so I can't share pictures.

But I was standing in the new bathrooms.  Concrete floor, but the whole ceiling was insulated with HVAC ducting and stuff.  Pretty nice.  Shower stalls in place. 

New, very big tech building is now going up.  The color theme is kind of a tan with red trim.  Didn't like it so much on the building at the front gate, which is getting drywall today, but the bathroom is very nice.  Glass block windows in places too.  Natural light is pretty cool.


Hey, there's a "tire wall day" at Blackhawk on April 5th, Saturday.  Traditionally, this has been announced to the car folks, and I've always found out after.  I think the track is going to supply chili and stuff for lunch.  Usually starts around 9AM until it's done.  It goes as fast as many people are there. 

Bring clothes that you can get dirty!

Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: GSXR RACER MIKE on March 11, 2008, 08:28:39 PM
Quote from: Super Dave on March 11, 2008, 07:59:26 PMI think the track is going to supply chili and stuff for lunch.
Is that to give the new Bathrooms a trial run and proper initiation? Bahahahahahahahahahaha  :biggrin:
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on March 12, 2008, 02:02:35 AM
 :cheers: :ass: :ahhh:


:biggrin:
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Protein Filled on March 12, 2008, 10:07:25 AM
Damn, are we gonna even be able to recognize the place when we get there for the first race of the year?!
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on March 12, 2008, 12:37:34 PM
No, they are actually going to move the whole facility across the street from Anna Maria's for 2009.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Protein Filled on March 12, 2008, 12:50:10 PM
Now that would rock! Run over and get some mussels for lunch!
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on March 12, 2008, 12:55:56 PM
Well, not for me.  A Ribeye would work though.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: KTG on March 13, 2008, 09:47:00 PM
How often do you goto BHF's Dave?!  I tried to go see Tom a couple weeks ago, but he wasn't there.  Had a look around at the buildings, pretty crazy.  Are they building something in the field between 6 and 6a?
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: mattg on March 13, 2008, 11:35:46 PM
Dave, can you post up details on the 'tire wall day'?? I'm sure a few of the nesba trackday guys in milwaukee would come down to help out.  sounds like fun.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on March 14, 2008, 12:42:46 AM
Quote from: KTG on March 13, 2008, 09:47:00 PM
How often do you goto BHF's Dave?!  I tried to go see Tom a couple weeks ago, but he wasn't there.  Had a look around at the buildings, pretty crazy.  Are they building something in the field between 6 and 6a?
I've had some meetings out there.  Just seems lately, there's been a good number of them...LOL!

Well, they added a road out there.  I think there's going to be electric out in Buell Alley.  Maybe.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on March 14, 2008, 12:44:45 AM
Quote from: mattg on March 13, 2008, 11:35:46 PM
Dave, can you post up details on the 'tire wall day'?? I'm sure a few of the nesba trackday guys in milwaukee would come down to help out.  sounds like fun.
What would you like to know?

April 5th

9AM

Wear crummy clothes...LOL!

Chili later on.  Will last until it's done.  Might be 11AM, might be 3PM.  No obligation to stay the whole time or to arrive at 9AM, but please come on out.

Can you post that on the NESBA stuff?  That would be cool.  Blackhawk would appreciate it.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: KTG on March 14, 2008, 01:47:36 AM
Quote from: Super Dave on March 14, 2008, 12:42:46 AM
I've had some meetings out there.  Just seems lately, there's been a good number of them...LOL!

Well, they added a road out there.  I think there's going to be electric out in Buell Alley.  Maybe.

Ahhh.....Hopefully the snow stays away so they can get everything done!
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: Super Dave on March 14, 2008, 01:59:20 AM
Yeah, it hasn't helped.  They've worked though the really cold stuff, but it does slow things down.
Title: Re: No bathrooms at Blackhawk...
Post by: mattg on March 14, 2008, 10:07:23 AM
Quote from: Super Dave on March 14, 2008, 12:44:45 AM
Can you post that on the NESBA stuff?  That would be cool.  Blackhawk would appreciate it.


Done!