What's the deal with the Rolling Starts?
Is Moto ST a division of NASCAR or something?
I get it, NASBIKE...
Its call endurance racing...........
Ok...
MOTO-ST is part of Grand Am, which is owned by NASCAR.
The rolling starts were intended to reduce the chance of a T1 incident off the start. It was strange at first, but we got used to it.
You got the NASBIKE thing right. If they run it like NASCAR it will surely make money, become a soap opera, and become impossible for a privateer to compete. Frankly, its a conflict of interest for a venue to own a race series. No where was this more true at Daytona this fall. Moto-ST sucked up 1/3 the tracktime, then kicked club racers out of their (paid for) garages. Hopefully, after the way they screwed up Road America this summer and treated CCS racers at Daytona, our association with this organization will end. Moto-ST is a bad neighbor.
God... What a bunch of crap.
I just read most of the rules for them.
Spec Fuel, Spec Tire and Medial Obligations. Yes, MEDIAL OBLIGATIONS, Sebtion 6.
http://www.moto-st.com/Rules/SportingRegs.asp
Sponsor signage on ones bike must be approved??? WTF?
NO private pics or vids...
Sounds like if you want to play with them then they OWN you.
PHUK THAT !!!
What smells like NASBIKE must be NASBIKE.
N - National
A - Associasion of
S - Stupid
B - Bussiness
I - Idiots
K - Killing motorcycle
E - Enjoyment
Don't forget, the France familly understands how to operate a successful business. There are plenty of people in the organization that also have a passion for motorcycles.
And MotoST pays a purse to 30th place.
I watched Moto st at Road America they seem to come in and take over the hole place. they have there own set of rules but they do pay well and with all there spec fuel and tires makes it less reasons for one team to do better then the other except for skill. and they have there races on speed channel like today at 12 is VIR.
I would love to ride a moto st race but its just not in my budget
You have the bike in the avatar. :biggrin:
I'm riding for you. But you have to feed Ivan.
The people that are running the MOTO-ST series and many of the rules that are in place come directly from the Canadian SuperBike Series.
The Spec Tire and Spec Fuel worked out great this year...caused no problems for our team (#36 DucNY)
Medial Obligations are due to the amount of press and TV coverage.
Roadracing World and SpeedTV covered each event for the season. And Like Gary said...been televised on Tuesday @ noon the last few weeks...
This is a professional series with paying sponsors and contingency that's why any sponosor decals on the bike need to be approved. I wasn't aware of any that were denied - OTHER than not allowing another tire manufacture, fuel supplier, ect.
CCS arranaged the garage rentals for Daytona...for both CCS and MOTO-ST - and we paid the same amount to CCS for our Moto-ST garage as we did for our CCS one.
The problem with Moto-ST is not that there is a lack of passion or that they want to make money. The France family is very wealthy. They can afford to rent out entire venues on their own... they don't need to piggyback on CCS, WERA, AHRMA, etc. At both Daytona and RA they monopolized the schedule and caused major hassles for club racers. I wish the Moto-ST the best of luck, but not at the expense of my weekend!
For the record, spec-anything is stupid. It just like telling a manufacturer "you can stop developement because you have a sure thing". You can say what you want about factory riders getting "specials", but in the end we all benefit from friendly competition.
I'm familar with the NASCAR-style. There are privateer teams that get screwed regularly. Any racing series that guarantees a grid position to 43 people in a 45 car field is ethically bankrupt. I'm just afraid that NASCAR may rub off on CCS, a little greed goes a long way!
Well, I thought that CCS benefited from having MotoST at their events. I mean, honestly, there isn't much draw for CCS/ASRA racing. MotoST isn't huge, but it is new. Additionally, the unique twins format is attractive to some unique sides of the motorcycle industry: Buell, BMW, Ducati, SV650, Aprilia. It still allows an opportunity for other players too like Kawasaki, which doesn't have the anchor that the SV650 does, some of the Chinese brands, etc. Additionally, there isn't the corruption of so many kit boxes and all either.
At Road America, I entered a team into the MotoST race. I was curious how it was all going to fit. Considering that the two hour practice was at the end of the day, in addition to the race being at the end of the day, I don't think it affected any outcomes in race distance or anything. Basically, I think MotoST rented time from CCS for space that they wouldn't plan to use. Seems like that reduces the overhead of operating a risky event at an expensive venue like Road America.
I didn't see that they monopolized the schedule. If you could elaborate on that, I'd like to listen to your thoughts on that. I've been racing at Road America since 1988, and, quite often, I'd just assume that we don't race there because I think it usually ends up being a disaster. I thought my time there this year went pretty well inspite of my own personal problems and time constraints during the days there.
Quote from: Super Dave on December 04, 2007, 08:23:38 AM
You have the bike in the avatar. :biggrin:
I'm riding for you. But you have to feed Ivan.
yes that one of my street bikes
I guess you didn't have one of your races moved at RA. A few guys actually couldn't stick around to run their saturday races on sunday. Some family/crew people had to find another way home because of this.
RA had something like 1200 entries this year, how many were a result of Moto-ST is probably difficult to figure, but I bet there'd still be 1100 without Moto-ST. Basically, Moto-ST ate up 6 hours of track time... that could be 6 hours of practice time for club racers. The fact is: the RA twin-sprint weekend is pretty busy without something else to fill the time. As a racer, I object to having my races and practices shortened year-after-year. I'd gladly pay more to have full 8 lap sprints and my full share of practice.
With Daytona, its even worse. You HAVE to sign up for the trackday to get any worthwhile practice. All that's really been done is shifting the cost of practice. Instead of paying more for races ($100 instead of $120) you have to pay $150 and use another vacation day for a thursday track day. In the end, the cost is the same and the hassle is more. Its just been re-packaged to give the appearance of savings.
Before Daytona, I asked the CCS staff if Moto-ST was paying for a third of the track rental, since thats how much tracktime they used. I couldn't get a straight answer... this leads me to believe that Moto-ST (and their riders) are getting a better deal on track time than CCS or me.
I guess my point is this: Moto-ST has more money to spend than CCS (or me). They should be paying their fair share! After all, its CCS that organizes all the track schedule, events, and crew. At the very least, Moto-ST should pay the pro-rated amount for track time and also be charged a fee for CCS organizing the weekend. In the end, CCS may end up money ahead with the combined events but the majority of club racers are getting screwed.
If you want to talk about risk management, that's a different. The way I see it, the liability increases when more races are stuffed into the same amount of time. It also increases when "professional" races are being held. Large purses increase the competition level- also increasing the risk of serious accidents. (See my note about a little greed going a long way) Plus, since the France family is extremely wealthy, its a safe bet that they'll have better/well connect legal council... that'd leave CCS-Fort Worth holding the bag. Basically, Moto-ST adds only 30 racers to the events and adds significantly more risk than their paying for. Further, its a safe bet that CCS is the first name on track rental agreement (if Moto-ST is on it at all) CCS is assuming most of the liability.
Good points. I wasn't one that had a race moved. I have been at Road America CCS races when ASRA/FUSA, CCS national races, have caused CCS regional races to be moved from Saturday to Sunday. I recognize that, but I don't think it's because of MotoST.
Four laps at Road America is "short". However, it's sixteen miles. Recognize that CCS sprint races have a distance. With Road America being 4.1 miles, four laps fits the bill. At other tracks, it's eight, at some, six.
Practice sucks. Yeah, that's nothing new.
I'm personally unsure of blaming MotoST for taking away six hours of CCS racing time as I thought the time MotoST was on track was later than normal. MotoST on Saturday was after all the qualifying, USGPRU (more added stuff) included, and a full schedule of CCS races. MotoST again was on after the CCS stuff on Sunday. I don't think CCS would have had more races or laps even if there was more time for it.
I'm not on CCS's side all the time. I know Kevin and Eric will attest to that, and others too(don't forget, I don't work for CCS at all...I just have had a CCS license like others, but I've had mine for a while longer). But honestly, it was one of the better Road America events that I've seen from CCS.
Wasn't as big as 2001 where there were 2025 entries. I think that's the number that still stands as the record. Either way, MotoST will be with AHRMA for 2008 at Road America.
I'm just trying to relay the opinion that everything isn't perfect between CCS and Moto-ST. All the public publicity I've seen is overwhelming good, however I know from my experience that the relationship hasn't been the best for the average racer. These boards may seem trivial, but often they're the last source of behind the scenes truth.
I'm a little disappointed with RRW coverage of Moto-St events. They're supposed to be the unbiased news source for roadracing, but I've seen nothing to indicate the problems these combined weekends have had. Since they compete in Moto-ST their vision has become blurry on the facts. I think we all realize the stranglehold NASCAR has on its publicity- I suspect the same thing is going on here. The France family has got propaganda down pat
I saw that Moto-ST is pairing with AHRMA this year. I'm curious to see the fallout. The vintage crowd is pretty stubborn- I expect there will be friction. Unfortunately, AHRMA is broke, so they probably needed a coop race like this.
Stubborn? Well, yeah, I guess I'm part of that crowd too. I raced with them for a long time.
It's potentially a better match in that AHRMA has had alternative racing with singles, twins, and triples for quite some time.
AHRMA has problems from litigation and what I think is loss of revenue from when the AMA took over the Mid-Ohio vintage days. It will survive. I'm sure that each organization, CCS & AHRMA, realizes that MotoST will seek to build a bigger program above a singular twins based endurance program into other road racing programs that provide sprint opportunities. They might even produce the Daytona 200 format on their own rather than allowing AMA Pro Racing to use it, I'm sure.
I'm sure a lot of road racers recognize that too. I'm not sure that it needs a RRW article though. Everything is an option at this point. I'm sure the France family considered buying CCS from CCE, and I'm sure CCE offered it.
Dave lets use your SV for the moto st races next year
Seems to be a lot of complaining and bitching toward a series that does nothing more than promote motorcycle racing. Let's see..... Speed is showing Moto-ST, NOT CCS races so I would assume they may get treated a little better. Such is life.
I pitted for JamesGang at R.A and Iowa. I had one of my races moved from Saturday to Sunday at RA. I didn't think it was a big deal. That being said, I can see if some were just there for Saturday, it being a problem and I hope CCS was smart enough to refund their money.
Let CCS know that you prefer not to have races scheduled during Moto-ST events. Or just don't go if they happen to fall on the same weekend.
Quote from: Garywc on December 04, 2007, 05:52:56 PM
Dave lets use your SV for the moto st races next year
:biggrin:
http://www.ccsforum.com/index.php/topic,18683.0.html
Actually, it shouldn't be an issue this year. I am specifically choosing not to attend Daytona next fall for this reason. I was, however, effected by Moto-ST this year. It may be petty, but, you bet I'm holding a grudge about being kicked out of my garage spot. You bet I'm angry about having races moved for a non-ASRA/CCS group. You bet I'm angry that Moto-ST operates on the backs of club-racers.
Its not simply an issue of complaining. Moto-ST is only promoting itself... and then only to the kind of person that thinks NASCAR make sense. Unfortunately, marketing is the key to racing in America... what does that say about us. It says we'd rather be told what we like than decide on our own. Did you happen to notice the people in Daytona this fall. A bunch of beer swilling, drunk riding, idiots that would rather watch a fat wrinkled old hag topless then watch a motorcycle race. Are these the people we're supposed to bring into the sport?
No, I'll pass. I don't think I want their help. They can pay their own way.
Quote from: 123user on December 04, 2007, 06:40:58 PM
Actually, it shouldn't be an issue this year. I am specifically choosing not to attend Daytona next fall for this reason. I was, however, effected by Moto-ST this year. It may be petty, but, you bet I'm holding a grudge about being kicked out of my garage spot. You bet I'm angry about having races moved for a non-ASRA/CCS group. You bet I'm angry that Moto-ST operates on the backs of club-racers.
Its not simply an issue of complaining. Moto-ST is only promoting itself... and then only to the kind of person that thinks NASCAR make sense. Unfortunately, marketing is the key to racing in America... what does that say about us. It says we'd rather be told what we like than decide on our own. Did you happen to notice the people in Daytona this fall. A bunch of beer swilling, drunk riding, idiots that would rather watch a fat wrinkled old hag topless then watch a motorcycle race. Are these the people we're supposed to bring into the sport?
No, I'll pass. I don't think I want their help. They can pay their own way.
It seems as though you should be mad at CCS for allowing Moto-ST to "piggyback"?
I for one liked watching the race at RA...Flat-twin BMWs grinding cylinder-heads, Neoclassic Ducati's rippin around, etc.
I thought Moto-ST was owned and founded by Roger Edmundson. Maybe some of you know who he is. If it promotes motorcycle racing, it will eventually get us more tracks to ride, more track time, more respect in the motorsports crowd, etc. I wish them all luck and I enjoy watching the races. The only thing that bothered me was when they locked up the pits without any notice this fall. Imagine my surprise when I came back from lunch.
Roger runs the MotoST series in addition to Grand Am for the France corporation that runs and owns their tracks, NASCAR, and their other properties.
Roger will do exactly what he did with CCS, whatever is best for Roger! :jerkoff:
He was an ass back then so I can only surmise that he remains an ass to this day. I would beware of anything his fingers are in! :finger:
LOL!
Well, CCS was successful. The AMA is still using his format successfully. Club level contingency was Roger's idea.
I think the main reason for moving races from Saturday to Sunday at Road Am was because there were so many crashes that backed things up and Moto-ST had its allotted time for practice. Now if you were in Moto-ST and you lost your Saturday practice to another org because of their crashes don't you think you'd be pissed? I was actually happy they moved the races to sunday, it gave me time to get my bike back together....yes I was one of those guys that caused the delay.
About them piggybacking with other org's I see that as a good plan to start with. You've got a captive motorcycle racing audience that they may be able to pull some people over to come and race with them too.
I would be pissed if I got booted out of my garage at Daytona too. Thats in the past and what needs to happen is some phone calls need to be made and the right people need to be talked to, to make sure that doesn't happen again....that or don't go
Hey Noidly....you don't like Moto-ST's rules...don't go race with them. NASBIKE ::)
I for one like the spec stuff. Theres not need to worry about someone being on better tires, using better fuel, having more HP, etc etc. I see it as a good way to put winning down to rider skill and good decision making. I don't think that one series using thier tire as a spec tire will completly change thier factory or pirelli's R&D dept. Every weekend racers in other series can choose to race on pirelli's or not. If they make a better tire than everyone else every, racer will want to be on those tires, more motivation for better tires. I'm sure Moto-ST is a small blip on pirelli's overall financial charts.
I for one would love to go race with Moto-ST, couple more years of learning and getting faster maybe I will (why did I sell my sv again?)
And NASBike already existed. CCS's national series was the North American Sport Bike series. That stopped at the end of 1999 when Roger E sold CCS to CCE and the FUSA name was purchased. The ASRA series is the linear change from that. There were better purses in NASB and FUSA for a while, though compared to ASRA now. That's not CCS's fault. More long stories.
Quote from: wolf44 on December 05, 2007, 09:49:56 AM
Hey Noidly....you don't like Moto-ST's rules...don't go race with them. NASBIKE ::)
I for one like the spec stuff.
Well it just burns me that some Corporate santioned series is limiting, controlling ones personal freedoms of choice.
It just seems to me that our freedom is going by the wayside in favor of money...
Can't take personal pictures or video, can't do this, can't do that, and so on.
If there are concerns of Equality on the track and make everything the same for all riders, then have an IROC for bikes.
I know, I know, Now your gonna say something about Manufacturers.
So where does it stop?
I remenber back in the day there was a series that not only limited what you had but made it MANDITORY that
if someone walked up and wanted to buy your bike, you HAVE to sell it to them for not more than $10,0000.00.
This was to keep major teams from putting too much money in their bikes annd keep the playing field equal.
I too would like to get paid to race or even win some money. But not at the cost of my personal Freedom.
That is all I was trying to say.
I think you may be misunderstanding - they aren't stopping you from taking pictures or video...you just can't profit from it unless you have a media pass. I have plenty of pics from the series this year...
I dont see where any personal freedoms were limited.
Very easy - you don't like it - don't run it.
Additionally, the corporation actually knows how to make money. Look at NASCAR teams. They employ drivers, PR people. tire changers, truck drivers, IT guys, hospitality, and on and on and on within a motorsports industry that didn't exist years ago.
One could work at a same ol' crappy job doing lawn maintenance, roofing, driving for a freight carrier, or a personal fitness center...
Or you could do that or more for a race team. It's a choice.
Every series has rules. You can't run slicks in Supersport either.
I don't like spec stuff myself, but I do recognize opportunities. MotoST seems like an opportunity to develop a ground level program in the early development of a racing series put on by individuals that are looking for long term opportunities. This isn't to say that CCS or WERA don't have long term opportunities, but they are club racing organizations. And they have an important place in the motorcycle road racing community, but the final result of the MotoST experience will certainly be different. I don't have a crystal ball, but I do recognize where they have made statements about where they are going and where they want to be. Don't expect changes overnight, but it will change.
You're free to sit at home on the couch.
Quote from: Noidly1 on December 05, 2007, 01:54:32 PM
Well it just burns me that some Corporate santioned series is limiting, controlling ones personal freedoms of choice.
It just seems to me that our freedom is going by the wayside in favor of money...
Can't take personal pictures or video, can't do this, can't do that, and so on.
If there are concerns of Equality on the track and make everything the same for all riders, then have an IROC for bikes.
I know, I know, Now your gonna say something about Manufacturers.
So where does it stop?
I remenber back in the day there was a series that not only limited what you had but made it MANDITORY that
if someone walked up and wanted to buy your bike, you HAVE to sell it to them for not more than $10,0000.00.
This was to keep major teams from putting too much money in their bikes annd keep the playing field equal.
I too would like to get paid to race or even win some money. But not at the cost of my personal Freedom.
That is all I was trying to say.
Running spec rules also makes it more of a level playing field when it comes to money. Some teams have major sponsors. Some few, if any.
I think it's smart, otherwise it may end up like AMA Superbike, or even MotoGP to a certain degree. Was there ever any question as to who was going to win any of those races?
WSB rocked this year, and if I'm not mistaken, they ran at least spec tires. Just levels the game, that's all.
I can see having limitations on motor mods and having a spec fuel i.e.; % O2 or fuel gravity but not by brand or product.
As for tires, If you are limited to only commercialy available tires, what difference does brand make?
spec fuel and tires ...it's just the rules Moto-ST goes by...do they have to do it? dunno....didn't really care -
but we were getting a pretty good deal for a set of Pirellis - can't recall the exact price but it was less for a set to use in Moto-ST than it was for myself in CCS. so in that sense...it's a good thing.
So I guess it is about money.
They, Moto-ST, get sponsor money from Pirelli and part of the contract is that to get the money riders have to buy their tires, thereby they, Pirelli, recoupe sponsorship money from tire sales and give riders a price break.
Of course it's about the money, Noidly.
MOTO-ST is making a concerted effort to keep costs down for riders and teams in the series.
Spec tire at a reduced cost, with a generous contingency from Pirelli.
Relatively cheap spec fuel to eliminate the use of expensive race gas.
HP restricted class rules to reduce amount of money spent on engines.
Purse that pays every finisher and bonuses for those who lead laps and make the podium in each class.
TV time on SPEED to better enable teams to find sponsor support.
Check the paddock of a MOTO-ST event and you'll find its full of club racers just like you working hard to step up their game and grow with a series that has real potential.
When isn't it about money? ::)
Point being, in the long run it keeps the cost for the teams down and the competition more on a level playing field. As stated by others, it's more of the rider than who has more money. I'm sure Moto-ST put it out for any tire manufacturer to go after and Pirelli offered them the best deal. Just like the other sponsors.
My bad. I didn't know privateers were welcome. You still have to be on a team though right?
I thought they were about just the Pros. Or who you know...
Anyone with an Expert license in one of the major RoadRacing organization can enter, you need a team to the extent that it is endurance racing and I don't know about you but I sure wouldn't want to race a motorcycle for 8 hours by myself.
for 2007 we had a team that consisted of CCS riders from the Mid-Atlantic -
Eric Helmbach, Eric Schnorrbusch, and Eric Wilson and me as crew chief
team is owned by Kathy - Schnorrbusch's mother...
the pit crew consisted of the riders and whoever we could drum up for the weekend...
does that qualify us as a Privateer Team? ::)
it wasn't easy - but we did pretty damn good this year...
the guys rode their asses off :thumb:
Another Mid-Atlantic CCS racer here that did a Moto-ST event. Out of the Blue Racing, me and Mark Evry plus his dad to help with pit stops. We did the VIR round. Couldn't be any more privateer, no fancy rig, set up, uniforms or anything else. Two racers with a bike.
I'm not impressed with the TV coverage. If your not a big team, don't crash, burn, blow up or run in the top two, you pretty much won't be seen. The least they could do is give the complete starting line-up and final results.
My bike was on screen for a total of about 1 second spread out over 4 shots. Most of that was the three shots of me behind Team Duc NY before they had their fire problems. I thought for sure they would've included some footage of that when we were going through T1.
I think 5th in class and 17th overall out of 30 was a pretty decent finish.
Quote from: SVbadguy on December 06, 2007, 10:18:38 AMMost of that was the three shots of me behind Team Duc NY before they had their fire problems. I thought for sure they would've included some footage of that when we were going through T1.
I think 5th in class and 17th overall out of 30 was a pretty decent finish.
Hey Travis...
you guys ran great at VIR...and I was hoping we would get more coverage for the fire our Duc...not quite how we wanted to get the exposure though ::)
we had the thing on fire 3 different times - the last one in the pit was the scariest....I emptied the entire extinguisher on it...good thing the VIR safety crew was there - could've been a lot worse.
I agree about the line up and finishing order - but in regards to who they showcase on tv - they only have X amount of time to fit the program into the time slot for Tv. It's the same way with AMA - Moto Gp - WSBK - When I first started doing AMA'S I was disappointed that that i never got any air time (unless I fell off) - you'll get to understand that they usually focus on the leaders.
Quote from: SCOTTY727 on December 06, 2007, 11:47:35 AM
I agree about the line up and finishing order - but in regards to who they showcase on tv - they only have X amount of time to fit the program into the time slot for Tv. It's the same way with AMA - Moto Gp - WSBK - When I first started doing AMA'S I was disappointed that that i never got any air time (unless I fell off) - you'll get to understand that they usually focus on the leaders.
Which is complete Bullshit anyway. From AMA to Motogp to Moto-st! They need to cut it down to an hour or less to make room for 23hours of Nascrap and Pinks! And the picture quality is so bad, sometimes I can't tell if I'm looking at Duhamel or a child pushing a wheel down the road with a stick.....Fug speed! We need something new.....Ahh rants
You supply the financing, we'll add content. :cheers: :biggrin:
Quote from: Super Dave on December 06, 2007, 07:22:34 PM
You supply the financing, we'll add content. :cheers: :biggrin:
Gron4vision ala the old speedvision
I got some people in place, so when you're ready...
Quote from: Super Dave on December 07, 2007, 08:34:55 AM
I got some people in place, so when you're ready...
Can you get me Kevin Schwantz? He's a good announcer
Quote from: KTG on December 06, 2007, 07:08:18 PM
Which is complete Bullshit anyway. From AMA to Motogp to Moto-st! They need to cut it down to an hour or less to make room for 23hours of Nascrap and Pinks! And the picture quality is so bad, sometimes I can't tell if I'm looking at Duhamel or a child pushing a wheel down the road with a stick.....Fug speed! We need something new.....Ahh rants
Not by any means am I saying that I agree with the way Roadracing is covered in the U.S. - TV or print - And believe me when I say this.... I would of like to have been on TV more then I was this season - When I made my way up to 12th in the Daytona 200 I would have expected something.... But it is the way it is because the Big Boys are the ones putting the big money into the financial side of the sport - and if they aren't kept happy - they don't come back... Then none of us have anywhere to showcase our talent (or lack of) and try to make our way onto the TV screen.... Nascar TV coverage is better for a few reasons - The camera can see the whole track - The cars come by every 2.2 seconds and Nascar does everything they can to keep the races as close as possible.... How much would all of us bitch if we got a full course caution behind the pace car every time someone made a mistake(not counting Daytona and Moto-ST).... It wouldn't be roadracing anymore - it would be straight politics.... Sure I'd like to be on TV more - but I'm glad to be racing and if I can go fast enough to get one of those spots on the screen - then I've earned it...
***Watch the coverage of Moto-St from Road America on Speed this Tuesday and see if I get good coverage or not**** Sorry shameless plug...... Then we can go over what we thought about that :)
Quote from: SCOTTY727 on December 07, 2007, 06:37:16 PM
Not by any means am I saying that I agree with the way Roadracing is covered in the U.S. - TV or print - And believe me when I say this.... I would of like to have been on TV more then I was this season - When I made my way up to 12th in the Daytona 200 I would have expected something.... But it is the way it is because the Big Boys are the ones putting the big money into the financial side of the sport - and if they aren't kept happy - they don't come back... Then none of us have anywhere to showcase our talent (or lack of) and try to make our way onto the TV screen.... Nascar TV coverage is better for a few reasons - The camera can see the whole track - The cars come by every 2.2 seconds and Nascar does everything they can to keep the races as close as possible.... How much would all of us bitch if we got a full course caution behind the pace car every time someone made a mistake(not counting Daytona and Moto-ST).... It wouldn't be roadracing anymore - it would be straight politics.... Sure I'd like to be on TV more - but I'm glad to be racing and if I can go fast enough to get one of those spots on the screen - then I've earned it...
***Watch the coverage of Moto-St from Road America on Speed this Tuesday and see if I get good coverage or not**** Sorry shameless plug...... Then we can go over what we thought about that :)
Granted the top players in any sports are the ones who get showcased. And the more popular they get the more airtime they get. Generally when a person watches a race, they want to see whats going on up front. On short races its hard to show everyone. Even in MotoGP where the money is pumping quite high, only the few riders are shown....Unless of course ya crash. My dislike of "TV" comes from the poor picture quality and compression of time. There is basically 1 racing station and you'd think they are using cameras from the 80's and/or processing equipment. I've heard that they are going to high def soon, so that might finally change. That won't change the time compression....."When they went to a commercial weren't there 8 laps left?....It says 3 now!" haha.
If you don't receive some airtime Tuesday, then something went very wrong on the cutting room floor!
Quote from: SVbadguy on December 06, 2007, 10:18:38 AM
Another Mid-Atlantic CCS racer here that did a Moto-ST event. Out of the Blue Racing, me and Mark Evry plus his dad to help with pit stops. We did the VIR round. Couldn't be any more privateer, no fancy rig, set up, uniforms or anything else. Two racers with a bike.
I'm not impressed with the TV coverage. If your not a big team, don't crash, burn, blow up or run in the top two, you pretty much won't be seen. The least they could do is give the complete starting line-up and final results.
My bike was on screen for a total of about 1 second spread out over 4 shots. Most of that was the three shots of me behind Team Duc NY before they had their fire problems. I thought for sure they would've included some footage of that when we were going through T1.
I think 5th in class and 17th overall out of 30 was a pretty decent finish.
Also we had no quick fill for our gas so our pit stops took 1 minute at the fastest !!! If we were in the GST class we would have been 2nd.Just wished i would have rode a little bit better for the race.
Anybody see the latest round shown today? I'm watching it now. So far it's been like 10 minutes of re-capping the previous three races AND they're showing all the same footage from before. ::)
But they did showing the points standings for the top five in each class.
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can't remember if I set the DVR to record!!!!!!
I've never watched racing set to 70's porn music!
Quote from: KTG on December 11, 2007, 06:38:40 PM
I've never watched racing set to 70's porn music!
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So true.
Although it's pretty cool to watch all the peeps we know.
I only got to see the last half - The vcr started late..... Yeah I know - VCR - But I had mixed feelings...I can't remember the team - but they came in for a pit stop and the bike wouldn't fire - the camera crew focused on that for what I felt was an over extended time.... The slow motion was kinda stupid.... I thought that they focused on the overall leaders a little more then they needed to - Maybe I'm biased - but I thought they should have covered some of the other action on the track... Maybe there wasn't much - maybe I don't know for sure cause I was on the track for 2/3 of the race.... Like the battle I had with Danny Bilanisky for my last stint - we went back and forth a few times a lap - with him beating me to the line by half a bike... I thought that was good drama considering we almost won the middle weight class on a lightweight class bike... I did get some coverage so that was good - and I'm not complaining about that..... I know that the first time anything is done - it takes a while to get right - but you would think that Speed would have this sort of thing figured out by now.... Maybe I'm just looking at it wrong.....
None the less - I still think it was good :)
I sure enjoyed watching. It's pretty cool to see guys I know or at least have met out there racing hard on TV. Thanks to Speed for showing the series.
Once again - stuck at work - but Meghan said that the coverage was much better this time... They even showed the flaming crash - Something I didn't think they would do.... She also said that I got a fair amount of air time again - not a bad thing I suppose.... I am thinking that the reason the coverage was a bit better was because the track is considerably smaller then your average road course... I will post my thoughts of the race once I actually see it....
That and they didn't have the BMW there to show ever 2 seconds. You guys got a fair amount of air time. Though the end truly sucked. I was at the race, pitting for James Gang Racing. That's the first time I saw the crash, and hopefully the last.