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Working my way towards vegan......banned pork years ago. Met some cows at a petting zoo a couple weeks ago, can't bare to eat/kill a cow since then.....I am down to fish....sometimes chicken.
My body is not liking it at all, my belly's been burp-eling and popping :err: like I ate some bad chilli or something, all week. Hitting the porcilin 20x a day :ass:
yuck
This a clear example of a man second guessing his stomach, some times being a primitive man has it's advantages; I don't think I ever once thought of the cow while eating, having worked on a farm and raised calfs and milked cows I never thought about who I was eating. I am not sure if I should feel sorry for you for your self imposed dilemma or commend you for more self awareness..Bob
I won't eat bacon, and I'm not too crazy about pork chops. I've cut back on eating hamburgers, and tuna has become a close friend.
Oh, I crave meat.....believe it.
BUT....Pigs have the cognitive(sp) level of a 3 year old....can't support the inhumane treatment they go through to wind up on the table.
And unfortunately everytime I want a burger now, I see the faces of the two cows that were licking my face at the petting zoo. Dilemas :ahhh: :biggrin:
Im gonna try to get down to free-range chickens/eggs and fish.
I'mma ride it out....I gotta go poop again though :biggrin:
Jeff, sorry for posting this in the wrong forum
Quote from: barb_arah on September 11, 2007, 06:44:09 PM
I won't eat bacon, and I'm not too crazy about pork chops. I've cut back on eating hamburgers, and tuna has become a close friend.
WHAT DID THAT POOR FISH EVER DO TO YOU?!?!?!?!
Lemme tell you about evil wheat.
:ass: :ass: :ass: :ass: :ass: :biggrin:
Yeast?
I'm only eating treebark, and I'm shitting splinters :wah:
Dave, Thanks for the PM with all of the good info....you always have good advice :thumb:
And my soapbox continues...
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Dave, not to break your Walt Disney view of pigs, but from someone who has worked with them in close quarters on a hog farm. They kill any wounded pig, they kill any pig that has not grown up in the same pen. If you spent the night in the pen with year old hogs I can guarantee that in the morning we would not find a trace of your body, they would have eaten every part of you clothes and all. In the past years I did work as a welder at the local pig farm repairing damaged pens. I am truly amazed at their diligence, give them one small weakness in the pen and they will take turns digging away at it until it is destroyed, when I worked with my welding helmet down I have someone watch over me with a cattle prod to keep them from doing a job on me, intelligent yes, brutal and one of natures more un feelings killers...absolutely. Maybe you need more than a day at the petting zoo. Just some advice from a farmboy they would have no second thoughts about dining on your flesh
A full-grown pig pulled 5 crackheads from a burning building all by himself, outside of Chicago.
And then ate this kid :wah:
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I'm still poopin' every twenty minutes or so :ahhh: :ass: :biggrin:
Hope ya feel better, but...Vegans are killing the forests! Mmmmm, Momma made meatballs tonight!
Good more ribs and steaks for me! :biggrin:
Quote from: plasticweld on September 11, 2007, 10:13:25 PM
Dave, not to break your Walt Disney view of pigs...
Is there another Dave or have I portrayed a view on pigs?
Wheat, yes.
mmmmm, bacon.
Why are you on penicillin? THAT, my friend, is what's screwing up your gut. You are killing all of the good little bugs, as well as the bad. Get yourself some real, natural yogurt, and start eating it every day. Then make sure you have a balanced diet, including all of those lovely fruits and veggies. Beans and rice make a good combo for protein replacement, and if you have sworn off meat most days, get a supplement/multi vitamin with B-12 and iron, and take it at least a couple of days a week.
It will take your body up to 3 months to recover, but it will, and you will feel great.
Damn hippies!
Yeah, but bacon tastes good. Pork chops taste good...
and for all you know... "sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie"
thats cool you decided that... more cow for me!!! :biggrin:
Quote from: tstruyk on September 12, 2007, 10:32:50 AM
Yeah, but bacon tastes good. Pork chops taste good...
and for all you know... "sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie"
thats cool you decided that... more cow for me!!! :biggrin:
Thanks Vincent....
SBaller, good on ya. I have no problem eating free range anything. However I cringe at the conditions most animals are housed in for commercial industrial meat production.
-BK
Hey speedballer, may I suggest this book: Eat Right 4 Your Type by Dr. Peter D'Adamo
http://www.booksamillion.com/ncom/books?id=3896160526314&isbn=039914255X
I read this book and its worked out really good for me.
Good that you are concerned about our horrid commercial meat industry. I feel the same way!
Don't forget to recycle too!
Like willyz, I too sometimes eat free range meats and wild fish. I'm not full vegetarian, I just don't eat land meat during the week. I just don't think that we can be fully vegetarian. I think that some meat has been apart of our diet for milleniums. But I think that meat hasn't been consumed as much in the past. We definitly eat way too much meat today. Check out this site: http://beyondveg.com/ (beyond vegetarianism).
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Quote from: Willyz on September 12, 2007, 12:17:48 PM
I have no problem eating free range anything. However I cringe at the conditions most animals are housed in for commercial industrial meat production.
+1 :thumb:
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I wouldn't club a baby seal for a coat, and I won't kill a pig for a BLT :biggrin:
Seriously, pigs are more intelligent than dogs, and if raised in the right enviroment, just as social and loving. I wouldn't eat a dog either.
BK & zeroice are right, a lot of it is the conditions the production animals endure....abominal
I hope ya'll get fat and corked up with cholesterol :kicknuts:
Spydie, penicillin? Where'd that come from? That's like the only med I am not on :lmao:
Anyone going to Gateway this weekend, forecast is supposed to be beautiful 8)
Quote from: backMARKr on September 11, 2007, 07:18:38 PM
WHAT DID THAT POOR FISH EVER DO TO YOU?!?!?!?!
And what is better about eating a free roaming chicken? I think it is even more cruel to eat a chicken who has sent its life enjoying all that freedom!!!
Quote from: EX_#76 on September 12, 2007, 01:16:08 PM
And what is better about eating a free roaming chicken?
They're harder to catch
dude, you're nuts! Those pigs are gonna die inhumanely and end up on tables whether it's mine or somebody elses... So, it may as well be mine!
Bring on your best PETA! so long as they still taste good I'm still eatin' 'em!
Um....Humans have canines ( RE: the tooth - not dogs) for a reason ...rippin' and tearin' flesh....
flame on.....
It's not just the meat, its the conditions they have to endure. Do you know how they get veal?
I'm a big meat eater, but the more I research it all, the more I just can't support or be a part of it. I wouldn't wish what they go through on anybody or anything. It's sad.
And the poopin continues :wah:
It's 1pm and I have hit the bowl 6 times today :ahhh:
A thread about poop? :wtf:
eat some damned cheese...
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Quote from: Speedballer347 on September 12, 2007, 01:04:46 PM
Spydie, penicillin? Where'd that come from? That's like the only med I am not on :lmao:
Hitting the porcilin 20x a day :lmao: Thought you misspelled
penicillin, turns out it must have been
porcelain :biggrin:
Try the yogurt, seriously. Meds can mess up your gut and the rest of your internal organs.
I'm also mostly vegetarian, although I still eat organic beef a few times a year. I'm sure people think I'm nuts when I go out to eat. I order a lot of portabella mushroom sandwiches, tuna, salmon and other fish dishes. You can find some really awesome pizzas. I like one here at Louise's that has goat cheese and sun dried tomatoes. Roger still eats mystery meat (sausage) on his. Yuk.
Look for a Whole Foods, Wild Oats, or Fresh Market in your area. They have some killer food choices.
He`s probably got the poopies from the cows licking his face! :ahhh:
eewwwwwwww!!!
Quote from: TommyG on September 12, 2007, 04:03:39 PM
He`s probably got the poopies from the cows licking his face! :ahhh:
eewwwwwwww!!!
Yeah, but he won't get mad cow from eating the critters. :biggrin:
See you at BFR this weekend, big boy?
Quote from: Speedballer347 on September 12, 2007, 01:46:51 PM
It's not just the meat, its the conditions they have to endure. Do you know how they get veal?
Yep...they put a bullet ( usually something small like .22) in the skull of a young calf that has been pretty much shackled in one spot for its short life having been fed milk and specific grains to create a very tender and marbled result.
We also have a bad habit of humanizing what animals "feel" and "think". It's the reason I have conversations with my cats and think the "meows" can be translated into "human". :biggrin:
I may stoop to killing the fly that has been buzzing my face for that last few minutes...
As someone who grew up on a large so called "factory" dairy farm, and who has actually toured many different farms of all sizes....i can honestly say some of you need to lay the PETA pamphlets down. Honestly, PETA and the entire so called "animal rights" industry has a series problem with honesty, and playing off people's fears and misconceptions. What we as humans consider to be cruel doesn't translate to animals very well. Ask anyone who raises any animal for a living, and they will tell you that animal comfort is key if you want good weight gain and production. That comfort may or may not translate into what humans consider comfortable, nor play directly into the little red barn with the white picket fence pipe dream that so many people have, but trust me, just like you don't accomplish much at work if you aren't comfortable, animals don't produce very well if their basic comfort needs aren't being met.
The problem with americans is that far to many of them just haven't ever visited a farm and don't have a clue where their food comes from, so they are easily swayed by some bullshit peta ad campaign.
And if you think the organic/free range branding necessarily means the animals are treated better or that it means much more then you paying more for it...well you REALLY need to look into food production a little deeper then the propaganda that you have been reading!!! Talk about playing off of fears and misconceptions.....
Quote from: Helmsman on September 12, 2007, 04:40:37 PM
The problem with americans is that far to many of them just haven't ever visited a farm and don't have a clue where their food comes from, so they are easily swayed by some bullshit peta ad campaign.
And if you think the organic/free range branding necessarily means the animals are treated better or that it means much more then you paying more for it...well you REALLY need to look into food production a little deeper then the propaganda that you have been reading!!! Talk about playing off of fears and misconceptions.....
I lived accross the street from dairy farmer when I was young, and I've supported local farming here in SE Wisconsin through CSA shares, etc. I have visited the farms where some of my food comes from. The beef I occasionally buy from Outpost foods is raised only 60 miles north of me, much of the cheese we eat is from local dairies, and I've met the farmer who raises the chickens and eggs we buy. They are relatives of the couple who own Pinehold farms, my CSA.
I've looked into organic practices, and yes, that does not necessarily mean 'free range'. But as you state, these people take their occupation seriously. They care for the land and the animals.
The factory farms are polluting the soil and ground water, using questionable practices (they account for over 80% of antibiotic usage in the US!) and are putting our food supply at serious risk. An outbreak of one deadly disease could potentially wipe out our entire poultry supply, as most "grocery" chickens raised in the US are white leghorns.
Diversity could reduce the risk of such a disaster.
If someone chooses to become vegan or vegetarian because they are uncomfortable with the thought of eating an animal or its by products, I seriously doubt it's because of PETA. I know I started changing my eating habits for health reasons. PETA uses questionable practices to get their point across, but so does the dairy industry, the beef industry, ConAgra, Monsanto, etc.
Don't assume that folks have not done their homework, many of us have, and decised to make choices based on their belief system. I choose to buy only local meat and poultry, which might be more costly; it supports my local farmers, and to be honest, it just tastes better.
Quote from: Speedballer347 on September 12, 2007, 01:04:46 PM
I wouldn't club a baby seal for a coat, and I won't kill a pig for a BLT :biggrin:
What is that suit you race in made of? Cowhide? Kangaroo?
Before you stand on that soapbox, you'd better reevaluate more than your diet.
Quote from: JBraun on September 12, 2007, 06:06:30 PM
What is that suit you race in made of? Cowhide? Kangaroo?
Before you stand on that soapbox, you'd better reevaluate more than your diet.
Damn, you beat me to it.
Quote from: JBraun on September 12, 2007, 06:06:30 PM
What is that suit you race in made of? Cowhide? Kangaroo?
I have the Dianese Faux-leather suit.
Hey Speedballer!
Still hitting the porcellein?
From what you've decribed, it sounds like your ailment isn't caused by not eating meat, but because you ate something foul or spoiled. Like you got some bad bugs in the stomach...
Have you ever heard of fasting for health?
Try not eating anything. Just drink water for a few days.
I'm quite sure that when your body is not holding anything down, it meanst that it needs nothing. It wants to clear its self.
I've read lots of books on fasting and I fast regularly as a clensing regime.
Once last year I ate some bad korean food and got the $#its for a day. Plus my stomach was hurting like hell. I stopped eating altogether that evening and only drank lots of water for the next 2 days. On the 2nd day my stomach still hurt but I had no $#its. The 3rd day (2nd day fasting), the stomach pain stopped.
I ate normally by dinner time on the 2nd day of fasting.
Another close friend of mine, whom never fasted before, came back from Brazil with the $#itz. It didn't stop and he saw a doctor that gave him medicine. It still didn't stop 4 days later. I told him to go on a water fast and he got better in 3 days.
Think about it. Look for some info on the net. You'll find an abundance! Just be careful of the info you read. Some authors exagerate the "miracles" of fasting. I'm not saying that everything they say wrong or unbelieveablt, it just get exagerated some.
pm if you want more details.
Quote from: backMARKr on September 11, 2007, 07:18:38 PM
WHAT DID THAT POOR FISH EVER DO TO YOU?!?!?!?!
My bad? LOL
Quote from: zeroice on September 12, 2007, 06:35:37 PM
Hey Speedballer!
Still hitting the porcellein?
Yup, all day :ahhh: :thumb: Gonna go again, once I post this. If what you say is right, I prolly caught something when I was kizzing those cows :kissy: That's about when I started getting burpbubbly :ass:
I kinda like to poop though....it's when I do all my reading
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Quote from: Speedballer347 on September 12, 2007, 02:00:02 PM
It's 1pm and I have hit the bowl 6 times today :ahhh:
A thread about poop? :wtf:
Wasn't my symptom, but maybe you need to see an allergist.
Quote from: JBraun on September 12, 2007, 06:06:30 PM
What is that suit you race in made of? Cowhide? Kangaroo?
Before you stand on that soapbox, you'd better reevaluate more than your diet.
Ohhh...skullshot :thumb:
Quote from: Speedballer347 on September 12, 2007, 08:41:30 PM
I prolly caught something when I was kizzing those cows :kissy: That's about when I started getting burpbubbly
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Mad Kissing Cow Disease maybe?
Quote from: spyderchick on September 12, 2007, 03:45:00 PM
although I still eat organic beef a few times a year.
AAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH!
Scientist (Physicist) pet peeve warning!
Organic is a terrible word to use. All meat is organic. I don't think you would want to eat meat with all the carbon removed. If it is not organic, it is inorganic. Is there any inorganic food?
I am sure by now that the government has come up with their own 'definition' of organic. Sorry it is already taken, pick (make) a new word. I think it would be difficult to have a definition of organic food that would not conflict with the chemical definition.
Also, if food is not organic than what is it? Inorganic means not organic, so if food is not organic food it must be inorganic food. Or has the organic food industry given inorganic their own definition. Organic is a very poor choice. Also makes my job harder with people coming into my class with popular (often incorrect/incomplete/conflicting) definitions of science terminology, ex - acceleration.
Reminds me of the stories about legislating the value of pi - http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_341.html.
I ♥ Brian!
Yeah, the USDA does have it's own definition of organic, and different sectors of the food industry are trying to get those changed to be less strict.
For certified organic producers have to follow strict organic guidelines—among other rules, they cannot use genetic engineering or irradiation, fertilize with sewage sludge, or treat their animals with growth hormones or antibiotics.
It's important to remember that 'natural' or 'all natural' differ from organic, and that 'free range' does not mean 'free roaming' or 'free feeding'.
Confused? Good! Now go eat a Double Whopper w/ cheese!
Flying ants are tasty...with the wings removed at least. Brian, are insects organic or only creatures with a skeletal system? :spank:
Quote from: spyderchick on September 12, 2007, 05:34:20 PMI've supported local farming here in SE Wisconsin through CSA shares, etc.
Blarg! You've out-hippied me! :D Been wanting to do this for years, but the sheer amount of produce received would be overwhelming. Otherwise, I gravitate towards locally grown/made product.
My biggest pet peeve of the "organic" trend is that when places like Walmart start selling "organic" food, the regulations are sketchy and it's really not necessarily sustainable... in the end you're really just paying more for food that's not always that much better.
Also... I have internal battles all the time with justifying what I do for fun vs. trying to make responsible lifestyle choices. It helps to try to keep everything in a balance.
I'm with you on the balance thing.
Pinehold Farms was cool in that they offer shares for 1-2 people, which is rare for a CSA. I still got a bit more than we could use, so I'd give some to the neighbors. I wound up trying some foods (and liking them!) that I never would have served, so that was way cool.
I've got the info somewhere if you want it. But you need to be prepared to cook on a regular basis throughout the summer and fall.
Quote from: dylanfan53 on September 13, 2007, 10:40:54 PM
Flying ants are tasty...with the wings removed at least. Brian, are insects organic or only creatures with a skeletal system? :spank:
Life on our planet is carbon based. Yes, insects are a carbon based life form, therefore they are organic.
QuoteIs there any inorganic food?
:biggrin: http://www.hostesscakes.com/twinkies.asp
the point will be mute when BP buys all the farms to feed the cars .and will be stuck eating soilent green.... is that organic?BTW my free range holstein is for sale. all out of hogs they went into the freezer.