Is that right?
I was waiting for a release from the AMA stating that, but it looks like I'm finding that to be the case in a release from Dunlop.
SPEED had a little ticker going that said it would be postponed due to inclement weather.
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=29844
Read the final press release from M4 Emgo Suzuki.
It's amazing to me really. How does the "premier" racing series in America just cancel races and not even make them up.
I guess it's not the AMA's fault that half the tracks they visit aren't fit to race in the rain, but there had to be other options.
The track went green at 6:15 pm. Sunset was expected to be at 8:41pm. They had almost two and a half hours to get three races off. But they screwed around with the superbike warmup and ten minute tire break.
I have no idea why they didn't just cancel the warmups and shorten the races. They knew how much time they had, and what needed to be done, and they blew it. It's pretty sad....
Well, recognize that the AMA is not the promotor. They sanction the event and put key people in positions for rules, etc. The race track is the promotor, and they pay the AMA a sanctioning fee, the purse, and the opportunity to run an event that can make money for the race track.
Mid-Ohio bears responsibility for providing a reasonable facility and contingency plans. A Monday plan should be mandatory for the well being of the promotor/track's continued opportunity to get spectators to come year after year after year. Not sure why they couldn't figure that one out. This has happened at VIR in 2003 and Daytona one year...they raced on a Monday when things couldn't get done on Sunday. Might have happened at Infineon also one year. And Pheonix in 1993 also, I think.
You've also got to factor in what some of the riders demanded too for on track time.
Regardless, no one won. Sucks really bad for the fans.
And Mid-Ohio had this stuff last year in October. Again, you'd think they'd have plans. But they always seem to do funny things. One year, the owner, lady was taking a client on a tour of the track in a car during the scheduled time of AMA 250 practice. Needless to say, the riders were, well, angry would be an understatement.
Yeah, a monday plan would be ideal. Not real good for the fans, or the privateers who have to work monday, but at least it wouldn't affect the championship.
There may not have been a perfect solution, but I have to think that anything would be better than cancelling the races.
Yeah, agreed.
Quote from: JBraun on August 06, 2007, 03:36:58 PMI have no idea why they didn't just cancel the warmups and shorten the races.
Hell if WE shorten races due to weather or alot of incedents, the natives start screaming to the warpath. Think the AMA guys are gonna say "Its all good" if they have to shorten warmup or the races?:lmao:
Quote from: JBraun on August 06, 2007, 03:36:58 PM
It's amazing to me really. How does the "premier" racing series in America just cancel races and not even make them up.
I guess it's not the AMA's fault that half the tracks they visit aren't fit to race in the rain, but there had to be other options.
The track went green at 6:15 pm. Sunset was expected to be at 8:41pm. They had almost two and a half hours to get three races off. But they screwed around with the superbike warmup and ten minute tire break.
I have no idea why they didn't just cancel the warmups and shorten the races. They knew how much time they had, and what needed to be done, and they blew it. It's pretty sad....
I guess you just had to be there to see the conditions. I don't know where you get your info but there was no screwing around with the superbike stuff and we rolled out on the track as soon as the last bike from superbike was off. The AMA did the best they could. I believe it was the track that wanted to get in at least the superbike on sunday so they would not have to refund any money. The way i see it the AMA did the best job they could. I am disappointed we didn't get to race but it was better than a bunch of guys crashing
It seems to me that the AMA, and the promoter, or whoever get bullied around an awful lot by the top riders. These guys get paid a lot of money to go out there and put on a show for the fans. I understand the riders safety committee making demands in the name of safer facilities, but the AMA is supposed to race in the rain if the track is a true road course, which Mid-Ohio is. I understand extreme cases, but have you seen some of the conditions the World Superbike races, and even MotoGP have gone out in this year!! These guys come off as a bunch of spoiled rotten 2 year olds when they try to modify the schedule in an effort to appease the fans. The fans who paid their hard earned money to come see these guys race. At the very least they could have run the races on Monday as a make up date. After reading some of the quotes from Jamie Hacking in Roadracing World the last couple issues about how nobody comes to the track to see anybody but the top guys and how nobody cares where anyone else finishes, I could give a rat's a** less!! I'd rather watch the CCS!! :thumb:
Schmitty
I think the track does looks a lot different when you're doing a 1:26 in Supersport vs something slower.
It is a professional event, and the fastest riders should be consulted as they know what it looks like when they come to a corner at their speed.
One can look at is as they are spoiled. But the race track and the bike they are riding can be replaced. Their lives and health to their team, family, and friends can't.
so four and six is saying that supersport rolled out after superbike but the race was unrideable? and does dunlop pay to have a press release or is that a free plug ?
Careful Jim being there and seeing first hand what exactly happened has absolutely no baring on anything. Make my dress polka dot please. See you in a few.
Quote from: Ducmarc on August 06, 2007, 07:47:36 PM
so four and six is saying that supersport rolled out after superbike but the race was unrideable? and does dunlop pay to have a press release or is that a free plug ?
I think Jim feels the AMA did the best they could.
If Road Racing World feels the press release is relevant, they will post it. No cost involved.
Anyone see what happened to Jason Farrell in the FX race? Heard he went off in T2/T3 and re-entered in the keyhole, hitting another rider pretty hard. No one went down, but was told it was a pretty good lick.
It is amazing that Matt was turning 1.24 times with the water in turn 1 that they are talking about. I was not there this year so I don't know what track was like but they were flying in that Superbike race.
The ama should have put together a novice 600cc race. The fans want carnage, then give them carnage. I would have gone out there in the rain and you wouldn't even had to pay me. Maybe that's the problem we pay to race, so it's rain or shine I'm getting my mony-s worth. They get paid to race, so they don't want to get injured and not collect that paycheck. ?????
I havn't been to Mid-Ohio, but I had to sit through this AMA cancelling crap at VIR, then a couple of weeks later CCS was there running a full schedule in the rain.
Quote from: ekraft84 on August 07, 2007, 07:48:21 AM
Anyone see what happened to Jason Farrell in the FX race? Heard he went off in T2/T3 and re-entered in the keyhole, hitting another rider pretty hard. No one went down, but was told it was a pretty good lick.
Yeah, not the best time or place to re-enter, could have been alot worse. But it was one hell of a save. LOL
Quote from: G 97 on August 07, 2007, 12:00:22 PM
Yeah, not the best time or place to re-enter, could have been alot worse. But it was one hell of a save. LOL
By who? Him or the rider he hit? :D
Quote from: ekraft84 on August 07, 2007, 12:11:31 PM
By who? Him or the rider he hit? :D
Jasons initial save that put him off the track.
The re-entry part was for sure not the text book way to do it. It gave me the WTF? It makes for a good story with included tire marks and fork tube scrapes. LOL
Quote from: Woofentino Pugrossi on August 06, 2007, 04:54:59 PM
Think the AMA guys are gonna say "Its all good" if they have to shorten warmup or the races?:lmao:
I don't know, do you think it's better to not race at all?
I've gotta say that was one scary ride for me and the other guy involved.
I honestly made a mistake in T2. I ran in there and the front tucked and natural reation would be to hold it up on a knee & whack the throttle open. But if you have ever raced there and have been through that turn you know what I mean when I say you have no choice but to stand it up after holding it up with your knee.
When I gathered it up I only had about 30-40 ft of blacktop to grab the brake on until it turned grass. For a moment I was thinking oh shit I'm going down but that I was relieved when I saved it. Then a split second after I hit the grass I realized I wasn't going to slow down in time. Dragging the rear brake only felt like slowing down on oil and no way was I going to touch the front brake.
My natural instincts are to always keep trying until your down. Well even if I threw it down the bike would have kept going into the traffic in T3.
There was a single file line of riders going through T3 keyhole. Searching for a quick hole and I couldn't find one I got frantic thinking I was definately going to T-bone somebody. I could see my path going directly into a rider and I did everything I could to slow the bike down and make it as easily as possible. I tried sliding the rear end go with flow but I ended up hitting a guy t bone style.
I broke his frame slider off when we hit and smashed my fork tube & upper. Nothing really broke but it was one hell of a hit! Very loud & I thought I was going over the bars and or getting run over by another rider or 2! Luckily I used up another one of my 30 lives!
Sorry about the incident to the guy I hit but at the same time I realizied how dangerous the track really is. I mean I had no choice but to do what I did. Luckily nobody got hurt out of it all and we both finished the race. I fell way behind and tried coming back up but ran into overheating problems while drafting so I backed off & pushed my own air. So I settled for 25th.
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