Would anyone happen to have any video or pics of the crash in turn2 durring HWSS on sunday. I am just trying to get a better feel for what happened. You tend to forget things when you are flying through the air. My father inlaw has some video from turn 1 up to just before turn 2 but something more would be helpful. Or any eye witness accounts.
I think Gron 4 was in 3 when I came around with the crash truck. Whether or not they got pics, I cant say. Maybe contact Dave Fanning ( check PM for email addy ) and see what the cornerworker wrote down on the incedent report. I dont know if he saw the whole cause or just the crash.
thanks will do.
Gron4 was there. the other fellow that went down with you was Superspud on this forum. shoot him a pm. he may have some answers for you.
I spoke with him already. I think we have a little different view on what happened that is why I am looking for an outside opinion. Its hard to remember what exactly happened. All I know is there is a lot of rubber on the left side of my bodywork.
I was in 3 but didn't see the actual incident just a flurry of things flipping and tumbling through the grass, I managed to get a couple of bad photos.
Rob who was the corner worker in T2. I'd really like to hear their account.
i can tell you that from the assessment of spuds bike, that there was no swapped paint on the front/right side of the bike and other than the frame slider being ripped out, there isnt much damage on the front/right side, there is damage from it landing on the top right side when the bike flipped. im guessing the rubber your seeing is from his rear tire.
Quote from: h2o_motorsports on July 31, 2007, 08:00:01 PM
I spoke with him already. I think we have a little different view on what happened that is why I am looking for an outside opinion. Its hard to remember what exactly happened. All I know is there is a lot of rubber on the left side of my bodywork.
That would explain the wierd wear pattern on my rear tire.
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I spoke with superspud on the phone this morning. Had a very good conversation with him. I think we both came to the agreement that we didnt see each other. Since he was behind me it is way harder for me to see him than him to see me. Since we are showing pictures I guess I will throw some up as well.
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Here are the pix of the rubber on the bike. I have rubber going from the swingarm all the way to the front fender. I did not start crashing untill I was in the grass and away from spud.
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I think spud and I have both come to the determination that it was just a racing incident but its hard to believe that all that rubber came from his rear tire when he has a big ass muffler in the way. No worrys. Done for the year and have to heal up for next year. Its racing and this sort of stuff happens. It would be nice to get an account of what happened from the T2 corner worker.
Bikes can do weird things while tumbling. When I crashed after main gate at BHF in 99 the rear tire hit me right in the ass and left a black streak. Never felt it. Thought the bike was in front of me when I was sliding.
Ed was workign turn 2. If he's on he goes by eviled98 (http://www.ccsforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=2593) on the board.
Quote from: h2o_motorsports on August 01, 2007, 04:22:24 PM
Since he was behind me it is way harder for me to see him than him to see me. Since we are showing pictures I guess I will throw some up as well. Here are the pix of the rubber on the bike. I have rubber going from the swingarm all the way to the front fender. I did not start crashing untill I was in the grass and away from spud.
I think spud and I have both come to the determination that it was just a racing incident but its hard to believe that all that rubber came from his rear tire when he has a big ass muffler in the way. No worrys. Done for the year and have to heal up for next year. Its racing and this sort of stuff happens. It would be nice to get an account of what happened from the T2 corner worker.
ok, maybe you can help me understand this. Yes I could see you up until the point I commited to the pass. I took the inside line while you were off someplace to my right and I was pretty sure I was already passed you but couldn't see you until you impacted me because I was looking at T3. There are no bodywork scratches that I can see on the front right of my bike, my leg and tail were hit. Something forced me down, I didn't just fall off mid corner. My left frame slider ground down. I tumbled quite a bit. Once my bike it the grass it cartwheeled smashing the tank, the front fairing stay and upper, cracking the rear subframe in a number of places. I'm really curious how you didn't see me or crash until you hit the grass. I think we both might be a little unclear on some of the events from the lumps we took and I think as you said it was simply an unfortunate racing event. My rear tire is the only one that looks shaved if you compare it to the front but that's neither here nor there. Maybe eviled98 will post up here and shed some light on the crash. Heal up bro and hopefully we can have more fun next year. :cheers:
Right when we made contact I got the bike stood up and headed towards the grass. For some reason it seems like the guy on the inside helps keep the guy on the outside up in a crash like that. Just look at the crash between Hopkins and Hayden at Laguna. Hopkins hit hayden and hayden stayed up while Hopkins fell down. Just using this as an example. I dont think we will ever know exactly what happened unless there is video. Trust me If I would have seen you I wouldnt have hit you!!! Expecialy in 2!! The only time I saw you was when we made contact on the track. I stood the bike up and went into the grass and that is where my crash realy began. I will look at this as a learning experience and keep in mind that as a slower expert when the fast am's start passing me I will be more mindful and leave the inside more open. Sorry it happened. I am done on the topic since it seems we are about to get into a pissing match and that is not what I want to happen. Take care and see you next year. It would be nice if the cornerworker would chime in but what happened happened. I am out of work for a while and im sure you are too. We'll just have to wait untill next year!!
Jon