i took the cornerspeed 1 class at vir last weekend after 4 years of track-day riding and i've decided that its time to scratch that itch and go racing.
i think i've got a good handle on what classes i'm eligible to run (CBR954)
but i can't quite figure the difference between ASRA and CCS licenses.
ASRA:
is it for experts only?
is it a completely separate org, or just separate classes?
can i compete at ASRA events with only a CCS license?
bottom line is i'm a bit of a miser.
i'm going to apply for my license after July 1 and want to know what licenses i need to get out there.
one more thing - how many races or events do i need to complete before i graduate from provisional to full-fledged, card-carrying, junior-detective amateur racer dude?
thanks.
see you out there.
- steve
some should have posted for me to read the f-ing manual.....
asra = pro nat'l championship series - yes?
still how long to become a full-fledged amateur? - or have i just not gotten to that part of the manual yet?
thanks!
you dont need an ASRA liscense.
ASRA thunderbike can be run as an AM, not on your 954 though. You can also run team challange but do not need a seperate ASRA liscence to do so. The other classes require an expert liscense.
ccs MW/GP doesnt have a provisional (unless they just deemed I was THAT good and bumped me to the card carrying AM). Might suggest you wear a T-shirt your first weekend... but 4 years of TD's hardly makes you an "AM" now does it... youve got more time than this expert has logged...
have fun! Congrats on making the move! :cheers:
First u have to pass double top secret probation.
Steve, welcome! Everyone in racing is a miser, if we don't budget, we don't race...my kids used to have a college fund :rollseyes:. You will be a card carrying amateur the moment yer front wheel rolls onto the hot pit, and you can compete on the ASRA weekends. July 1 will save you a little bit of coin on the license, and should give you enough events for the rest of the season to see if ya like it. I think you'll find your stress levels at work will go down following each race weekend, even as your bikes upgrades, repairs and tires drive your credit card through the roof!! Oh, and don't let yer wife catch ya laying on the bike in the garage at night...Not that I've done it, just heard about others...
http://www.ccsracing.com/forms/2007/rules/rulebook%202007.pdf
Most ASRA classes are expert only classes, with I believe Thunderbike being the exception. When buying your license you can choose to buy the ASRA, license as well for an additional fee, but it's pretty much a mute point as an amatuer. Is there such a thing as provisional? I believe you just need to take an approved CCS school, not crash and then buy the license and you're a CCS amatuer.
That's how it worked for me. I attended Penguin Roadracing school at Loudon and got an Amateur license and never had to wear any T-shirt, nothing provisional about it. WERA does have a provisional license. I think it takes 3 race weekends (wearing a t-shirt over your leathers on the track and not riding like an idiot) to get a regular WERA license. Right after I got my AM license, I went to a WERA race and applied for a license at registration. The person handling my registration had to ask someone else if I should get a WERA provisional and they said "no, he has a regular AM CCS license so he gets a regular WERA Novice license". I didn't even know about the T-shirt thing at the time and they didn't mention it. Had they told me, I would have voluntarily worn it.
CCS doesn't do provisional status. You pay and you're ready to go.
Cornerjunkie, had you signed up with WERA with your school diploma rather than your CCS license, they would have made you wear the t-shirt (unless you could show results from 2 race weekends without crashing).
There ya go..!! Joel, the resident "Smart Guy"!! :biggrin:
thanks for the replies
full amateur status as soon as i get off double-secret probation - noted.
i probably won't have my act together enough to make the upcoming races at summit, but i'm planning on being there for the sept races as well as making another run to vir.
one last question - how long of a turn-around can i expect between sending in my app and hearing back from the ccs overlords re: which one of the three numbers they give me - yes i realize that is mostly meaningless, but i've got a fragile ego.
thanks
:cheers:
Quote from: bel-biv on June 28, 2007, 11:31:13 AM
some should have posted for me to read the f-ing manual.....
asra = pro nat'l championship series - yes?
still how long to become a full-fledged amateur? - or have i just not gotten to that part of the manual yet?
thanks!
There are only two rider classifications in CCS AM and EX. You are am AM when you get your license. You go expert when you earn too many points as an AM (which usually is before an AM is really ready to be an EX).
The only ASRA class you can enter as an AM is thunderbike. Your 954 does not fit in that class.
Welcome, Good luck!!!
One more thing your bike limits your racing classes. You will have to run unlimited with those new GSXR1000s and LOOK OUT :thumb:
Quote from: Headdog122 on June 28, 2007, 01:07:14 PM
There ya go..!! Joel, the resident "Smart Guy"!! :biggrin:
Smart Ass is more like it ::)
Quote from: bel-biv on June 28, 2007, 01:36:54 PM
one last question - how long of a turn-around can i expect between sending in my app and hearing back from the ccs overlords re: which one of the three numbers they give me - yes i realize that is mostly meaningless, but i've got a fragile ego.
When I applied I had my # in 5 days. I asked Eric Kelcher (Eric.Kelcher@ccsracing.us) and he replied the same day with my #. I don't have my license yet but I hear it can take a while as they only do these in batches. Not a problem though as far as registration.
See you at the races.
Quote from: BRICKMAN on June 28, 2007, 04:20:15 PM
One more thing your bike limits your racing classes. You will have to run unlimited with those new GSXR1000s and LOOK OUT :thumb:
And you'll have to REALLY watch out for anyone with a smiley face on their bike. :)
Welcome, btw. You think trackdays are addictive? You aint seen nothing yet. Racing is like heroin and nicotine all rolled up in one neat, insanely expensive package. :thumb:
yay, i like meth-crack-nico-heroin, yay!!!
thanks again for the insight
and yes, i know me and my rickety 954 are at a distinct hp disadvantage, we'll just have to see what we can put together
see you all out there
i'm planning on touring the pits with my kids at summit on 7/7 to get a handle on how race-days go.
so if you see a dork with 2 kids in a big-ass orange stroller wandering around, wait till i'm out of earshot before you laugh and point.
erik,
stand-by for an email......
first go down to suzuki buy a new gxer 1000 then call yosh and give them your gold ,no platnium card . then take the gold card to GMD. then you might be in the top ten in amatur GTO, if your 18 .good luck busten up those slow ass pro experts in the unlimited asra class .sorry just saying what everyone is thinking. run ccs this year try asra at Daytona next spring
As a reminder, and to make sure your registration process will go smoother, bring a rider school diploma as proof of successful completion of a riders school. Also, when at registration, you will need to fill out a CCS license for and a post entry form. We will assign you a competition number at that time. Good luck! And I hope you have fun!
Quote from: Ducmarc on June 29, 2007, 07:51:19 PM
first go down to suzuki buy a new gxer 1000 then call yosh and give them your gold ,no platnium card . then take the gold card to GMD. then you might be in the top ten in amatur GTO, if your 18 .good luck busten up those slow ass pro experts in the unlimited asra class .sorry just saying what everyone is thinking. run ccs this year try asra at Daytona next spring
Or just ride the bike you have and learn.....the best gun on the planet won't help much if you don't know how to shoot it...
Good luck and welcome to the addiction!!! :thumb:
I've got no delusions of grandeur.
Club racing is as far as my road-racing "career" is going to go - (so those slow guys in ASRA can breathe a sigh of relief)
Barb,
I'll come find you at Summit (assuming you're going to be there)
I've already sent in my license app and have been in touch with Erik via email.
Thanks for the input and warm welcome.
I'll see you Mid-Atlantic guys out there - at Summit in Sept.
- Steve
Quote from: bel-biv on July 02, 2007, 11:38:54 AM
I've got no delusions of grandeur.
Club racing is as far as my road-racing "career" is going to go - (so those slow guys in ASRA can breathe a sigh of relief)
Barb,
I'll come find you at Summit (assuming you're going to be there)
I've already sent in my license app and have been in touch with Erik via email.
Thanks for the input and warm welcome.
I'll see you Mid-Atlantic guys out there - at Summit in Sept.
- Steve
I won't be at Summit, but I will be at Road America and all of the Blackhawks. I hope you have a fantastic time racing!