In the AMA, which bikes have traction control and who is riding without? I just watched the Yamaha high side and Spies save the Suzuki from highsiding in a superbike race. Will traction control make the difference?
i'm sitting here reading your post when mat high sides I think that answers the question
You can still high side with tc. It isnt some magical thing that prevents them.
BTW all bikes come with traction control. Its called a throttle. :biggrin:
maybe they were relying a little to much on the electronics
Quote from: Ducmarc on June 24, 2007, 09:50:21 PM
maybe they were relying a little to much on the electronics
People are like that in general now. Gotta have Nav system, gps, ESC, ATC, backup sensors, electronic low oil level sensors (some cars are even losing the dipsticks now i favour of this), low tire pressure sensors, Lexus and its self parallel parking system and every other damn gimmick they can put in a car. Reading a map is a lost art. Driving a car is being made to the lowest common denominator drivers. Bikes are starting to get these retard systems that make riding "easier".
Funniest thing I saw was a guy in his late 40's out deer hunting in southwestern WI. Heading back to the parking lot for lunch and met up with this guy who was IN TEARS because he's lost and his hand held GPS died on him. Idiot was walking parallel to the road about 100-125' away from it. I guess I'm one of the few people in the woods that brings a topo map and compass even though I know those woods by the back of my hand. Wasnt the batteries in his unit that went dead, apparently the circuit board fizzled somehow.
Quote from: Fast4fun on June 24, 2007, 03:12:36 PM
In the AMA, which bikes have traction control and who is riding without? I just watched the Yamaha high side and Spies save the Suzuki from highsiding in a superbike race. Will traction control make the difference?
I know they're legal in SBike, obviously, but it's a tuneable system that is done so to suit the preferences of each pilot. The fly in the ointment was the track temp which I think was higher than these systems or riders have yet to see since getting the systems made legal last year. I think the segment w/B Boz talking with the D'lop man put the surface temp at 158.
I know the MV Augustas systems turns em in Ducati sounding creatures on engine braking into the corners. I agree-too much dependence on plug in stuff.
Current R6 has a form of it already with its fly by wire stuff.
Regardless, if the center of gravity of the bike gets so out of whack, and the traction control kicks in, or the rider decides to close the throttle, it will highside when the rear tire gains traction.
here we are complaining about how much racing cost and this shows up the first rider, team,factory that makes it retard proof then all our bikes will be on ebay this electronic mence showed up in drag racing and is one reason I left that sport.when you have to budget for electronics then i'm done. hell I don't even have a quick shifter. but I do have a power commander and that's confusing enough.
Last year Rossi made a comment to the effect of, "these bikes weight 150 kilograms and make 240 horsepower. Without traction control we couldn't get them out of the garage."
I think the same thing is happening in superbike.
I wouldn't worry about the cost, it will be affordable soon enough. Suzuki already has a system for the 1000 that's around $1500. It's rate of change, meaning no wheel speed sensors, but it's still cool.
Quote from: Super Dave on June 25, 2007, 02:21:27 AM
Current R6 has a form of it already with its fly by wire stuff.
Regardless, if the center of gravity of the bike gets so out of whack, and the traction control kicks in, or the rider decides to close the throttle, it will highside when the rear tire gains traction.
I think the whole point is to prevent them from getting out of whack in the first place SD. What you are describing is what prolly happened to EBoz in the firt SB race.
I find it already making its way to the street on the busa, zx14, and gsxr1000. I know they're still in development but I wonder just how much trouble they can actually prevent.... highsides? Not this past weekend. Whether the track was hot or wet or whatever, i thought this system was meant to prevent the highsides that happened to several top racers this weekend.
My second question is whether all teams have the system. Does Yates have it and if not, how serious of a disadvantage would that be?
It's funny then that Formula One is getting rid of the systems for next year. What's the rationale behind that?
Quote from: Fast4fun on June 26, 2007, 11:18:35 PMIt's funny then that Formula One is getting rid of the systems for next year. What's the rationale behind that?
Costs and trying to make the races more interesting by putting more of the driving BACK to the driver.
now if they only put the gear shifter back in F1
Quote from: Gixxerblade on June 25, 2007, 10:52:12 PM
I think the whole point is to prevent them from getting out of whack in the first place SD. What you are describing is what prolly happened to EBoz in the firt SB race.
Well, if you have an upper level TC system, you can dial in how much spin you want. The OEM based stuff isn't going to allow that much spin.
While I think TC is cute and interesting, it's the have and have not problem that I don't like. Cost.
Did anyone forget how TC existed before it was AMA legal? But it was done in a way that didn't require direct wheel speed, so, I guess, it was within the rules. One can definitely recognize that there is a speed of engine acceleration that would be too fast given that one has a bike, a rider, and traction. Just a matter of developing the fuel and ignition to recognize that.
Bazzaz is developing a system with the Jordan team that would incorporate a quick shifter-an fuel control system and traction control. I first heard about it this past weekend at Miller - then read about it in the new RoadRacing World. It sounds like they are trying to make a system that is affordable for people "with" a budget - unlike the stuff that only the factories can afford. From what it sounds like in the article - Yates may have this system but he's not using what the full on factories are using.