Someone should send a letter to the FIM and admonish them that Toseland and Biaggi regularly stood each other up multiple times during the Qatar round of SBK RACING.
Send a letter to Dorna as well, why not?
N
That would be from me...
See, I went to the University of Nebraska where the N on the helmet meant one thing....
nolige.
Did you send a letter then? :biggrin:
I think you meant nowledge :thumb:
No Lidge?
I'm not sure. Let me get my college books out.
You Know how to read? :biggrin:
Honestly Dave, you and I both know that sometimes you have to do what you have to do when racing and that standing another up is all part of the game. I know for a fact that you have been stood up and that you have stood up others that have resulted in no issues off of the track. Be real man.
So if somebody has a gripe about it, it's not valid?
I've heard many people bitch about things I believed were idiotic, and I myself have bitched about things which others felt were idiotic. Doesn't make the complaint any less valid...
And despite the fact that Toseland & Biaggi are racing on 2 wheeled vehicles, that's about the end of similarities between them and a US Club level racer...
Just my opinion... I don't expect you to agree with it...
T
:biggrin:
I got stood up once, it was prom and she wasn't on a motorcycle, still bitter about it
What's your garage # at Daytona.
B-8 and B-9, I won't be there until Monday, Dwayne Lang will be in the garage though. I'm going to JenningsGP Saturday and Sunday then off to Daytona.
sweet, see you then. :thumb:
Quote from: TTR174 on February 28, 2007, 11:55:57 AM
I got stood up once, it was porn and she wasn't on a motorcycle, still bitter about it
Cheaper...
can't ... stop ... typing
Must ... control .... emotions
(Deep breath)
If you're more worried about going to work on Monday than winning, racing may not be for you.
If you can't handle close passes, or having to alter your line because a faster rider is coming through, racing may not be for you.
If you want every other rider on track to respect your personal space and never cause you to check up mid corner, racing may not be for you.
I do not advocate bike to bike, or rider to rider contact.
I do not advocate the "lowering of the etiquette bar" Ed referred to in his now infamous letter.
I do however understand the difference between racing and track days.
Do you?
Quote from: Sklossmonster on February 28, 2007, 04:35:42 PM
I do however understand the difference between racing and track days.
Do you?
I'd have won every race last year, but I thought Brian Hall was a control rider...
There was a huge purse at that last track day...
Kind of like your porn date.
I'm going to win Moto GP next year... tough to move a Boss Hoss off the racing line.
QuoteI'm going to win Moto GP next year... tough to move a Boss Hoss off the racing line.
dont have to move you, just wait for the meatball :ahhh:
that is assuming you dont loop it at the start... :kicknuts:
:biggrin:
I think the only reason this is all an issue is its coming from a well known face in the track day crowd and the implications made are a concern that new "rookies" that look up to Marshall from a personal level (even if only from relating to him from his artlices) are going to think its "ok" or the norm.
I'd hate to think back to my AM season and have half the psycho's behind me struggling to get around me, get in their head "no more Mr. Nice guy" and t-bone me trying to "stand me up".
most AM's dont have a 10th of the experience marshall has on the track. (to that I dont think I do either!) I have no doubt that Marshall plays fair when racing. Its the message sent to the less experienced racers... the real "rookies" to our sport. The message that sometimes you have to play not nice. The new racers dont have the instinct or judgement to put themselves in a position to make a safe pass. Marshal does. I think if the article was written from the perspective of someone with limited seat time, struggling with suspension setup, tire choice or pressures, gearing etc... it would have taken on a whole new dynamic. but coming from a more seasoned person with loads of track time and with abilities equal or greater to those who have been around a year or 3... its a tough comparison and seperation to make. Yes he was an AM, but IMO not with a skill set or mentality that most AM's have. marshal makes comments that I am sure most those who have been around a few season have at least alluded to, but wouldnt recommend to a someone on their 3rd weekend at the track.
did that make sense?
Quote from: tstruyk on February 28, 2007, 06:21:31 PM
dont have to move you, just wait for the meatball :ahhh:
that is assuming you dont loop it at the start... :kicknuts:
:biggrin:
You suck! LOL!
LOL!
Ok, I feel the need to validate Marshall.
Maybe there's some debate, but I'm a pretty nice guy. That was a problem early in my racing career. I was very concerned about riders around me. Maybe I should restate that, I was concerned about racers around me. I didn't want to make anyone mad or anything so often I'd come up on someone and slow waaaaay down not wanting to spook them at all. Seemed like no one bothered too much with that kind of attitude with me, as they would barge pass no problem. Anyway, I learned more about the bike and racing and learned that what I was supposed to be doing was passing people given the opportunities that were reasonably available to me. And for me, that wasn't being "nice". I guess I'm used to holding doors open for people and stuff like that. And when Marshall talked about no more Mr Nice guy, I reconized that he was not going to exploit opportunities that his riding and skill brought him to get around riders. The implication that I got was that, not that he was going to be "Mr Mean and Aggressive Guy on Med's that Has Various Mental Issues" who might make a huge mistake and take out the person being passed, and potentially himself.
Whaddya think Schloss? More of a representative idea of what you really meant to say.
Quote from: r1owner on February 28, 2007, 04:48:06 PM
I'm going to win Moto GP next year... tough to move a Boss Hoss off the racing line.
It would be hard to make a Boss Hoss hold a racing line LOL!!!
Who cares...you'd be stylin'... :spank:
Quote from: Super Dave on February 28, 2007, 07:01:42 PM
Who cares...you'd be stylin'... :spank:
I wouldn't even need to put my knee down! The valve covers would be sparking... that would make for some sweet pictures!
Did I miss something? Did Ed write another letter to RRW?
If you're more worried about winning a club race than going to work on Monday, racing may not be for you............
Unless you're independently wealthy and don't give a rat's ass about your own safety much less those of your competitors you need to worry about going to work on Monday.
If winning a club race takes precedent over your health and livelyhood you need to rethink what you're doing.
Just the opinion of an old ass that's been around this sport for 30+years and has paid many medical bills for injured racers.
Sorry, no letter but I wouldn't want to be the one to make the call to your parents that you're laying in a hospital paralyzed or dead because you just HAD to win that club race no matter the cost.
Nice post, Gordy!
:thumb:
yea wegman I gotta say that that says it all very well- I always like puttin my bike back in the trailer towards home,in 1 piece, and myself included- I know a mistake could happen but i try hard to avoid incidents- at 51 , I appreciate risk recognitions' benefits , I would understand the wife :ahhh: pulling the plug on a long list of replacement parts, hospital bill( have insurance) work time off problems - stickin with my "own" learning curve for now- now next weekend at the 200 i expect the exact opposite mentality, :boink: because its their bread and butter........ John
Quote from: weggieman on March 01, 2007, 09:40:25 AM
If you're more worried about winning a club race than going to work on Monday, racing may not be for you............
I have to agree with this statement.
The other thing Marshall, which I am slowly coming to learn, is that no matter how much you explain yourself or rephrase what you say, sometimes people do not understand what you intend, or have issues which you (or they) cannot see...
Written text (and sometimes spoken text) can be very miserable/misleading when the audience gets large...
Cant' we all just get along?
Quote from: Jeff on March 01, 2007, 11:29:52 AM
The other thing Marshall, which I am slowly coming to learn, is that no matter how much you explain yourself or rephrase what you say, sometimes people do not understand what you intend, or have issues which you (or they) cannot see...
Written text (and sometimes spoken text) can be very miserable/misleading when the audience gets large...
its the same thing as when 2 different people witness the same accident and have different accounts of what happened... sometimes people read/hear what they want based on their own experience
and intention/emotion is entirely up to the reader...
Quote from: robsob on March 01, 2007, 01:05:29 PM
its the same thing as when 2 different people witness the same accident and have different accounts of what happened... sometimes people read/hear what they want based on their own experience
Totally agree...
I was involved in a huge crash that was basically two incidents that piled up on top of each other at Loudon in 1993. I was able to ride my bike back from the scene, but the forks were bent so bad, the exhaust was crushed. I made it back to the pits, and it was one of those things where everyone had a quiet look on their face. My crew guy saw my feet from the pits...I crashed on the other side of the track going up the hill out of Three. "Speedy", a guy from the AMA, who some might remember, came down to talk because he had a live feed of the whole thing. We knew that someday we'd see it on video. I think three years later during the Orange bowl, my guy called and left a message saying, "I saw the commercial, and you are in it. I order it." Anyway, the perception that I had of everything hardly resembled the actual events.
What you say and how it's perceived...yeah, they can be very different.
Quote from: Super Dave on March 01, 2007, 01:52:23 PM
I think three years later during the Orange bowl, my guy called and left a message saying, "I saw the commercial, and you are in it. I order it."
Girls Gone Wild?
More like Gum Gone Wild.... :ahhh:
:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :ahhh: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Hey Dave, I have two letters for you. :biggrin:
:pop:
:wtf:
Holy Crap. Jeff, were you selling trolling licenses down at the dealer show in Indy!? How much are they?
Tryin to come up with 2cents for this one...........
Mom always told me.........
Some risks in life are worth taking, all others are either miscalculations or just plain stupid. The tough part is knowing the difference.
Gotta love Mom.
Paul
Polar-Optics
Quote from: 61Ex on March 01, 2007, 07:41:24 PM
:wtf:
Holy Crap. Jeff, were you selling trolling licenses down at the dealer show in Indy!? How much are they?
Dude... I didn't throw any bait... Just having conversation.
Quote from: Jeff on March 02, 2007, 10:00:28 AM
Dude... I didn't throw any bait... Just having conversation.
I was not referring to you, Sir, kind owner/operator.
You raise up your head
And you ask, "Is this where it is?"
And somebody points to you and says
"It's his"
And you say, "What's mine?"
And somebody else says, "Where what is?"
And you say, "Oh my God
Am I here all alone?"
Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?
-Dylan
Remember that final wild race the year Colin Edwards won WSB? That was the perfect example of two professional racers having the ultimate duel for the ultimate stakes, and not once did anybody get stood up.
Standing someone up means you didn't have a clean pass. Standing someone up means that you've decided to take by force something that you didn't earn. Standing someone up could get them hurt or killed. Decide now what kind of person you are, then act and live with the consiquences accordingly.
Anyone want to argue THAT?
Well said K3, I just have to think something is wrong when I come away from a race thinking that I need to get a cheap race bike that I won't worry about balling up and hold my line the next time that some idiot tries to stand me up. How about I just hold my line and take us both out, who's fault will the wreck be? Mine for not getting out of some fools way or the idiot who thought he had a right to the line I took first? No this isn't a track day, but it's not a contact sport either. All I can say to the "That's Racing" crowd is, be careful who you stand up, if he's as nuts as you are you're both in for a wild ride to the ER.
You don't have to stand up a bike to have to change your line because of someones taking your line. And riders can still take a particular line at a particular speed to force riders to change their faster line to a line that will make them go a longer distance.
Where does the "line" get drawn?
In 1984 I told then race director Kim Casper that if one of these morons on the track takes me out in practice with one of their stupid "I have to win practice" moves, have an ambulance ready in the pits because I'm not the only one going to the hospital.......nuff said. I would have gladly given up my racing license to do it. After some severe reprimands by Kim the nonsense stopped.
That was due to diligence by the director who actively went out and watched practice and races to see who was doing what. There needs to be more of that. Officials can't see anything sitting in a tower all day.
JMHO
Quote from: weggieman on March 03, 2007, 09:37:29 AM
In 1984 I told then race director Kim Casper that if one of these morons on the track takes me out in practice with one of their stupid "I have to win practice" moves, have an ambulance ready in the pits because I'm not the only one going to the hospital.......nuff said. I would have gladly given up my racing license to do it. After some severe reprimands by Kim the nonsense stopped.
That was due to diligence by the director who actively went out and watched practice and races to see who was doing what. There needs to be more of that. Officials can't see anything sitting in a tower all day.
JMHO
Which directors would watch CCS practice, etc, on course, in the MW?
Kim Casper, and I know I did. Can't say who else.
What is Kim up to these days?
I don't know. Last I heard he was into drug sales?? Legitimate drug sales for some pharmaceutical company.
I haven't seen him in many years.