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Title: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: Speedballer347 on December 28, 2006, 02:17:50 PM
I am swollen-with-toxins at 215.
I should be 190.
Thats an extra 25 pounds.

I could try and lose the 25lbs of lard to be healthier, look & feel better, live longer, blah blah blah. Whatever  :sleeping2:

What kind of difference is there in accellerating (06 1K) and more importantly, lean-angle traction.  I know lighter is better for leaning er over, but is 25 lbs even real-world noticable.

Ill be back to check this post after I get something to eat at the feed bag and trough
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: Sobottka on December 28, 2006, 03:28:55 PM
+1 ... what about tire life w/25 extra? 
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: Jeff on December 28, 2006, 04:36:31 PM
Do you agree that mental health is as big a piece as anything (if not bigger than others) in racing?

If so, do something about your weight...  You mention "Look better, feel better" in your post.  If you're feeling better about yourself, you're going to perform better on the track...

If you feel like a tubby lardass, you're gonna perform like one.
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: funsizeracing on December 28, 2006, 04:38:11 PM
I like my lard, it keeps me warm at night.
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: KBOlsen on December 28, 2006, 04:43:33 PM
Or, look at it from this perspective:  More lard = more insulation during the winter months = able to lower the thermostat = lower utility payments = more $ for tires/entry fees/etc when racing season rolls around!
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: Speedballer347 on December 28, 2006, 05:48:57 PM
Quote from: Jeff on December 28, 2006, 04:36:31 PM
Do you agree that mental health is as big a piece as anything (if not bigger than others) in racing?

ABSOLUTELY,
Thats why I was going to saw my head off to shed the 25 pounds  :thumb:


Yeah, I need to (and will) get in shape again, just need something to motivate.  Figured lean angles like Becca's would be nice. 
I need to cut my arms and legs off though to get that light....then I couldn't hold the handlebars no mo :wah:
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: Speedballer347 on December 28, 2006, 05:49:47 PM
Quote from: KBOlsen on December 28, 2006, 04:43:33 PM
Or, look at it from this perspective:  More lard = more insulation during the winter months = able to lower the thermostat = lower utility payments = more $ for tires/entry fees/etc when racing season rolls around!

:biggrin: :ahhh: :biggrin:
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: Court Jester on December 28, 2006, 05:51:55 PM
Acceleration I don't know. I would say every little bit would help. But the lighter you are the better the bike will handle. I'm 30 pounds heavier now than when I first started riding on the track. But then I was 159 and at 6'1", that wasn't too healthy looking. Nothing but hip bones and ribs. But I can tell a big difference from how the bike handled then to how it handles now. Still have the bike with the same set up. But I've changed my diet and have been working out as of late and have dropped 5 pounds thus far.
The biggest thing though is how much better you would be able to perform. You may not think the 25 pounds weighs you down too much. But go to walmart and grab a 25 pound bad of dog food and carry it around the store while you shop. It'll wear your ass out. So think how you would do 25 pounds lighter. If you tired out faster because you are slinging an extra 25 pounds from side to side, your head wont be as clear, you wont focus as well, and you are more likely to make mistakes.
Mistakes suck at 100+ mph. That's my two cents anyway.
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: spyderchick on December 28, 2006, 06:19:37 PM
Quote from: Speedballer347 on December 28, 2006, 05:48:57 PM
ABSOLUTELY,
Thats why I was going to saw my head off to shed the 25 pounds  :thumb:


Yeah, I need to (and will) get in shape again, just need something to motivate.  Figured lean angles like Becca's would be nice. 
I need to cut my arms and legs off though to get that light....then I couldn't hold the handlebars no mo :wah:

And you'd have to have your leathers altered. The Headless Roadracer. Johnny Depp can star in the Blockbuster movie version.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: jeremy271 on December 28, 2006, 07:01:42 PM
hmmm..... I was 245 @ gingerman,  whatever u got to do.
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: cheezer64 on December 28, 2006, 07:18:24 PM
   I think the standard is-------- every+- 7 lbs. = +-1 bhp. 



        Less weight is better, regardless :)
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: Burt Munro on December 28, 2006, 07:26:16 PM
Personally, I like Kim's idea :thumb:

You could look at the extra lard as actually being additional safety gear.  You know how they put bubble wrap around parts that get shipped to you??  Think of the extra fat being like bubble wrap for your bones! :kicknuts:

Or in your case, for your brain!! :lmao:
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: snakemanracing95 on December 28, 2006, 07:29:32 PM
I rode a SV650 last year@ 245#'s. The year before I was on a 600. When I made the switch to the SV I had a hard time adjusting to the new style of ridin it. I felt @ 245#'s I was giving away a significant advantage to  lighter and equally skilled riders. I heard an equation once that for every ____#'s of weight it's like adding a "h.p." I can't remeber what that # was, maybe something like for every 10#'s it's a pony???
Anyway, I told my fatass that this year would REALLY be the year that I took off the weight. Well, to date I am weighing in at 219#'s and it's still dropping. My height is 5'10". I plan on getting down to about 190-200# range. So far I can tell you that the almost 25#'s that I have lost has made a HUGE difference in almost EVERYTHING I do. Stamina,energy level,metabolism,mental state, and a "good feeling overall". One thing I had a problem with in racing has been my "limberness". It was hard for me to really move around on the bike and even get into that tight "racer tuck" on the straights. (Part of that problem was my beer belly too.)
I know that when my weight gets down to my goal I will feel incredible.
I am totally stoked and ready for next season!! So my say so on the matter is.....YES, loose the weight and you'll feel great!!!

Happy New Year to all and best wishes for a great 07!!

Brian Liebe
CCS95AM
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: kylbie on December 28, 2006, 07:47:21 PM
at the end of summer i was 230, i started working out and got below 220 for the first time in about two years... it felt so good, then i had to go work out of town for a couple weeks and when i came back i got lazy and now with the holidays i am back at 230 +/-  but at the beginning of this week i went grocery shopping and started workout hardcore again

if you want to just drop weight and work on stamina do aerobic exercise, your heart will thank you
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: Eric Kelcher on December 28, 2006, 08:23:43 PM
Okay take the weight of the bike ~400 add your weight 215 so take 615 / by what 160hp for a 1k? so 3.84 pounds per hp lose 25 pounds 3.693#/hp

For a lower hp bike the weight changes are more significant
Like a SV ~360 +215= 575 / 70 hp =8.21#/hp  lose 25 7.86#/hp
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: Grashopr on December 28, 2006, 08:32:45 PM
I dont know about your local areas, but around here, the High School gym's open up on Wednesday and Sunday nights from 7pm to 9pm for what is affectionally known around here as 'Old Man Ball'.   A bunch of guys (and girls) over 18 get together for a couple hours of half-court basketball.  It's a great, free, 'fun' way to get some expercise, get your heart rate up for an extended period, and to hang out with some great people.   If they offer open gyms in your local area, I'd recommend attending once just to check it out.  It's been allot more fun for me than going to the gym or running around the square by myself.
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: benprobst on December 28, 2006, 10:58:17 PM
Quote from: Eric Kelcher on December 28, 2006, 08:23:43 PM
Okay take the weight of the bike ~400 add your weight 215 so take 615 / by what 160hp for a 1k? so 3.84 pounds per hp lose 25 pounds 3.693#/hp

For a lower hp bike the weight changes are more significant
Like a SV ~360 +215= 575 / 70 hp =8.21#/hp  lose 25 7.86#/hp

+1, people tend to use 7 lbs per horse power as a constant. But in reality, the lighter/lower hp the total package the larger the difference a few pounds make.

ohh and Baller, just think of how cool you 1000 would be if it weighed a solid 25lbs less, then think of how much it would cost you vs. riding your bicycle and lifting a few weights
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: Garywc on December 29, 2006, 04:05:58 PM
i lost about 45 lbs this past race season and it made a difference with more stamina and felt better on the bike
but did seem to crash harder must have been the less padding made it hurt
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: GSXR RACER MIKE on January 01, 2007, 01:05:27 AM
Quote from: Garywc on December 29, 2006, 04:05:58 PM
i lost about 45 lbs this past race season and it made a difference with more stamina and felt better on the bike
but did seem to crash harder must have been the less padding made it hurt

Just don't crash then!  8)
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: Addicted2Danger on January 03, 2007, 05:01:59 PM
In June '05 I did my 1st trackday at 167#'s.  The most excercise I was used to getting was remodeling a house.  I could bench press maybe 135 at that time.  I barely finished the last session of the trackday I was so exhausted.  I knew I wanted to race, and if I'm gonna race I want to be competitive, so it was time to get my ass to work.  By July '06 I could run 4 miles in under 30 minutes, bench press 200#'s and my weight was down to 147#'s.  Granted, 167 is not exactly heavy for 5'10", but every little bit helps especially on a stock motor 1st gen. SV.
I have no doubt that the best thing a racer could do for themselves is to be in the best physical condition they can.  Thats different for each of us, but I was an athlete in high school and know what a difference it makes.
Good luck everybody, and remember- the more you stay focused this winter- the better off you will be at Topeka in April!!!!!!
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: Scotty Ryan on January 04, 2007, 12:10:28 AM
Quote from: Addicted2Danger on January 03, 2007, 05:01:59 PM
In June '05 I did my 1st trackday at 167#'s.  The most exercise I was used to getting was remodeling a house.  I could bench press maybe 135 at that time.  I barely finished the last session of the trackday I was so exhausted.  I knew I wanted to race, and if I'm gonna race I want to be competitive, so it was time to get my ass to work.  By July '06 I could run 4 miles in under 30 minutes, bench press 200#'s and my weight was down to 147#'s.  Granted, 167 is not exactly heavy for 5'10", but every little bit helps especially on a stock motor 1st gen. SV.
I have no doubt that the best thing a racer could do for themselves is to be in the best physical condition they can.  That's different for each of us, but I was an athlete in high school and know what a difference it makes.
Good luck everybody, and remember- the more you stay focused this winter- the better off you will be at Topeka in April!!!!!!


+1

I have never been big but - this season I want to be at 100%....I don't want to leave anything to chance or say "Well if I did this" Or "I could have tried harder" - basically I don't want to have any excuses..... So I have been busting my ass in the gym - at home - on the Stationary bike- proper dieting - proper sleep.... All of this is done under the supervision of a trainer - So I don't get too out of control.... But I am in the best shape of my life and I have also lost 10 pounds since last season(I'm down to 155 & I'm 5'11").......  So here's to everyone and hoping that it all pays off next season.... Cheers
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: Addicted2Danger on January 04, 2007, 01:31:55 PM
Thats another great point Scotty - proper eating is VERY important also.  I didnt achieve my results without alot of discipline about the type of fuel I put in.  I might drink soda 1 time a week at the most.  Low sugar, low carb and HIGH PROTEIN will take you a long way.
What are your racing plans for next season Scotty?  Still lookin' at that ride with "Safety First"?  How about the awards banquet?
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: funsizeracing on January 04, 2007, 04:49:33 PM
This thread makes my cheesecake taste even better. 
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: wolf44 on January 04, 2007, 04:56:16 PM
No more Jack 'n the Box from Ken :thumb:  Come over and we'll do some measuring and I get you a program.  I've been working with Ben for a while now, seem's to be coming along pretty well.  Ben...get ready for a butt whooping tonight :cheers:
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: benprobst on January 04, 2007, 06:53:57 PM
Hey Dan. yeah its been going pretty well, I called you earlier, I will be unable to make it tonight, I havent even left work yet, I worked outside all day in the rain, now im donig paperwork  :wah: anyway, give me a call and we can set a date for next week (this sat. wont work for me) and we can get together for a workout.
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: tstruyk on January 04, 2007, 08:25:19 PM
started my diet/excercise/nonsmoking/lessdrinking regiment this week... well the smokin was a few 3 weeks ago...

low fat, high protien diet, mind the carbs (not starve, just limit) minimum of 30 mins of Cardio 5 days a week these first 2 weeks, will go to 15 min cardio (tread/eliptical) and 45 min circuit training once I get my lungs back... 4 days a week on that.

I think the big kicker will be cutting out the 15 or so drinks a weekend I typically have... I might have the occasional drink in the evening (1 glass of red wine works like ambien when I cant get to sleep).  But I go out with the wife and friends almost every friday and saturday night... and lets just say I typically dont drive home  :cheers:  That should save me a few hundered a month as well (thats like free racin money and no hangovers!!!) I cant lose!

Steady 195 by the end of the year is the goal...
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: wolf44 on January 05, 2007, 12:12:35 AM
Ben, got your message, we'll set up for next week.
Baller, I got a free Dick Enrico (look up 2nd wind fitness equipment) bobble head doll for you if you lose 25
Struyk-let me know if you need any help for your programming or any periodization help to get you set up for the season
p.s. carbs aren't bad, just try to take in all whole grains for your carbs and you'll be fine, not enough and you're body will go into ketosis...i don't think you want kidney stones  :kicknuts:  not to mention that you're body will be working against yourself during your workouts if you don't have enough carbs
:blahblah:
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: Burt Munro on January 05, 2007, 12:48:24 AM
Quote from: SCOTTY727 on January 04, 2007, 12:10:28 AM

+1

I have never been big but - this season I want to be at 100%....I don't want to leave anything to chance or say "Well if I did this" Or "I could have tried harder" - basically I don't want to have any excuses..... So I have been busting my ass in the gym - at home - on the Stationary bike- proper dieting - proper sleep.... All of this is done under the supervision of a trainer - So I don't get too out of control.... But I am in the best shape of my life and I have also lost 10 pounds since last season(I'm down to 155 & I'm 5'11").......  So here's to everyone and hoping that it all pays off next season.... Cheers

Looks like your headed in the right direction!

You may want to consider abstaining from sex too. 

Studies have shown that it's a sure fire way to increase your ability to focus and improve your reaction time.

Like you said, your don't want to leave anything to chance!!  :thumb:

Rick
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: Court Jester on January 05, 2007, 08:28:00 AM
Quote from: Burt Munro on January 05, 2007, 12:48:24 AM

You may want to consider abstaining from sex too. 

Studies have shown that it's a sure fire way to increase your ability to focus and improve your reaction time.

Like you said, your don't want to leave anything to chance!!  :thumb:

Rick

no kidding??? i always made it a point to have sex a few times the day/night before. figured it was just one less thing to think about.  i had never heard that though.
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: tstruyk on January 05, 2007, 10:17:58 AM
Quote from: wolf44 on January 05, 2007, 12:12:35 AM

Struyk-let me know if you need any help for your programming or any periodization help to get you set up for the season


If I had any idea what you just said I would probably call you!!  :biggrin:

Quotep.s. carbs aren't bad, just try to take in all whole grains for your carbs and you'll be fine, not enough and you're body will go into ketosis...i don't think you want kidney stones  :kicknuts:  not to mention that you're body will be working against yourself during your workouts if you don't have enough carbs
:blahblah:

Oh I agree... just paying attention to them.  The 3 course meal that consists of dinner rolls, past, and a 6 inch slice of chocolate cake is what I'm talkin about.  I have always understood the value of carbs, I am just paying attention to them now!   :thumb:

shoot me an email or call me at the office or cell

tstruyk@hometownequitymortgage.com
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: Scotty Ryan on January 05, 2007, 03:08:03 PM
Quote from: Burt Munro on January 05, 2007, 12:48:24 AM
Looks like your headed in the right direction!

You may want to consider abstaining from sex too. 

Studies have shown that it's a sure fire way to increase your ability to focus and improve your reaction time.

Like you said, your don't want to leave anything to chance!!  :thumb:

Rick

Hmmmm - Got some links you can post???
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: r1owner on January 05, 2007, 05:13:01 PM
Quote from: SCOTTY727 on January 05, 2007, 03:08:03 PM
Hmmmm - Got some links you can post???


Just get married... you'll see what he's talking about.
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: tstruyk on January 05, 2007, 05:15:18 PM
werd...  :whine:
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: Court Jester on January 07, 2007, 06:52:14 PM
not necessarily
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: Addicted2Danger on January 08, 2007, 10:53:26 AM
Well, first let me say that some things in life are just worth the consequences.
That being said- I was a cross-sountry runner in high school.  I wasnt an all-star, but some other guys at my school were.  They were so hooked on winning that they DID GIVE UP SEX for the entire season.  They were also top 10 finishers at the state championships.
Not that any of us would have had something that steady going anyway........But I am proud to say that I told them they were crazy and that I did indulge when I got the chance :biggrin:  For what its worth- I think they were right and that it did help them, more from a "save your effort" standpoint than anything to do with mental concentration.
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: wolf44 on January 08, 2007, 11:52:49 AM
I played football in college and I always seemed to play the best when I got a little the night before.  You just have to let them do all the work, non of this --> :boink: it can make your hamstrings a bit sore the next day
:biggrin:
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: Burt Munro on January 09, 2007, 02:02:57 AM
Quote from: Burt Munro on January 05, 2007, 12:48:24 AM
Looks like your headed in the right direction!

You may want to consider abstaining from sex too. 

Studies have shown that it's a sure fire way to increase your ability to focus and improve your reaction time.

Like you said, your don't want to leave anything to chance!!  :thumb:

Rick

I hate the internet!!!!

This was intended as a joke for Scott!!!!!

I'm really sorry that a few of you didn't see thru it. 

Maybe it was the ones who know me (and my sense of humor) who were able to take it as it was intended.

I do know that if you shave all the hair off your body for swimming you'll go faster!!!  Wonder if that would work for racing motorcycles???  Maybe only if you were only wearing a swimsuit!!
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: gpz11 on January 09, 2007, 08:36:09 AM
Quote from: Burt Munro on January 09, 2007, 02:02:57 AM

I do know that if you shave all the hair off your body for swimming you'll go faster!!!  Wonder if that would work for racing motorcycles???  Maybe only if you were only wearing a swimsuit!!

You'll have to ask Scott about the shaving. When we saw him at the shop last week, he mentioned that he was all shaved.  :wtf: We didn't ask for proof.
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: wolf44 on January 09, 2007, 11:29:36 AM
Quote from: Burt Munro on January 09, 2007, 02:02:57 AM
I hate the internet!!!!

This was intended as a joke for Scott!!!!!

I'm really sorry that a few of you didn't see thru it. 


:banghead:
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: paco on January 09, 2007, 11:03:26 PM
Does this question really merit the obvious answer?
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: benprobst on January 09, 2007, 11:47:27 PM
Quote from: Addicted2Danger on January 08, 2007, 10:53:26 AM
I was a cross-sountry runner in high school.  I wasnt an all-star, but some other guys at my school were.  They were so hooked on winning that they DID GIVE UP SEX for the entire season.

girls have sex with cross country runners? who are you trying to fool.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: Dr675 on January 10, 2007, 10:42:30 AM
Bro,

I have a training and conditioning program that I do that is tailor made for racers.  I work with all kinds of athletes; rugby, cross country skiers, runners, cyclists, etc and currently have training clients in the AMA that you would recognize.  I also do follow-up coaching as the year goes along and periodize it for best benefit.

Drop me an email offline if you are interested in dropping the lbs and being ready to rock when the lights go from red to green.

Dr. Dave
Dr749
wivern921@new.rr.com
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: Speedballer347 on January 10, 2007, 12:38:34 PM
Thanks for the offer.  Too much work.  I am just going to get some Mexican vitamins and drink beer.  Should be 190 rock solid in two weeks.  :ahhh:
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: wolf44 on January 11, 2007, 10:42:31 PM
you got my number, give me a call and lets set something up



unless you are a girly man :kicknuts:

we'll put you on the DeDe Dorsey NFL combine program  :kicknuts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlzMj6y4QdQ
Title: Re: How much weight do I gotta lose.... ???
Post by: 06750gixxer on January 12, 2007, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: Dr749 on January 10, 2007, 10:42:30 AM
Bro,

I have a training and conditioning program that I do that is tailor made for racers.  I work with all kinds of athletes; rugby, cross country skiers, runners, cyclists, etc and currently have training clients in the AMA that you would recognize.  I also do follow-up coaching as the year goes along and periodize it for best benefit.

Drop me an email offline if you are interested in dropping the lbs and being ready to rock when the lights go from red to green.

Dr. Dave
Dr749
wivern921@new.rr.com

I would be interested on more information.
im 200 and 6' 0" and want to lose 15 lbs.
I like to run, my diet is diecent, just need a program for working out.
I have a mountain bike as well if that helps.
Feel free to shoot me an email:
Austin_Winder@yahoo.com

Thanks,
Austin

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