Looking to replace a stock wheel(s) (03 SV650) with some (hopefully) Marchessini's. Because of the price and other items I need to do over the winter I was wondering?
If you were to only replace 1 wheel (assuming a front) is there any cons to this type of setup. Or do they really need to be matched.
Also, if you were to replace the rear; How important would it be to go to a 180 vs. 160. My assumption would be that the 160 is sufficent and the reduced weight of the 160 would offset any traction gains of the 180.
Pros Front: Sharper steering & quicker braking due to less rotating mass
Pros Rear: Better acceleration, ability to fit a 180 tire.
There are SV guys who will smoke you with a 160 tire, and SV guys who say it made all the difference to switch to a 180. If you don't already have a full-on 700 motor with cams & flatslides, then spend your money there instead.
If I had 2K to spend on my bike, I'd put it into the forks before I bought 1/2 a set of lightweight wheels. A 25mm kit is a beautiful thing.
What he said...
First off, im still going to catch you from the amatuer grid no matter what :lmao:. j/k. But anyway, not sure which wheel will work better, i would assume the rear would be better due to the overall weight. Especially since unless you have really lightweight front rotors, they will be one of the primary gyroscopic forces on the bike. The thing about mag wheels are they arent necesarily immensly lighter, but they have something like 80 - 90 % of their weight in their hubs, making the outer rim extremely light and therefor fighting the good fight against one of our enemies, gyscoping wheels. My 5.5 rear marchesini with a tire mounted isnt a bunch lighter than my 4.5 sv wheel with tire. But seeing that you will be running it with a superbike motor, I would suggest going with a rear wheel and getting a 5.5. I way way prefered my 180, not for any huge reasons, but a whole bunch of little ones. there was similar tire wear from my 160 vs. 180, however when the tires went off I felt alot more confident on the 180. ohh yeah and its spelled Marchesini, its written on my rims you are welcome to come look :biggrin:
an ohlins w/25mm kit on its way-hmmm--yoyodyne down the street from me - gonna be an expensive winter-John in NJ
Quote from: benprobst on November 15, 2006, 09:24:59 PM
First off, im still going to catch you from the amatuer grid no matter what :lmao:. j/k.
Curt Henderson or Ben Probst? Who gets the YPS torch? :)
Thanks, to all. Including the English Teacher Ben Probst ;)
The bike as a 750 front end with Traxxion Cartridges? Is that the same thing that everyone is mentioning about 25mm?
Motor is mildly tuned with some a 2mm piston. No dyno work just yet so do not have any idea on power.
So for the next question?
Where do you get the best deal on a set of wheels?
You guys need to leave stuff alone(i.e. leave it superstock), and focus on riding. I left mine alone for the first 3 races of the year and everything was peachy. Then I started experimenting with the internals on the front end and ended up on my head twice in consecutive weekends. This does nothing for confidence or lap times. Frankly, I was a little messed up after this, so I was glad to get out of MAM in one piece.
So for next year, I'm going back to what I had in the front end before, and I'm not touching it. All of my effort all weekend will be on riding what I have, and hopefully nothing else. I hope the rest of you give this some thought. It would save you a bunch of money, I'd love to see you on the SS grid, and it might make you a better rider in the end.
Of course, you could build a full blown superbike, and go blow away all the amatuers, that would be cool! :biggrin:
Anthony has a SS bike too...
Anthony-you have AK-20's which are as close to 25mm ohlins as you can get. Good stuff! Really wheels are about the only thing you don't have so I would go for it. I think the mag front on the SV I rode made a pretty big difference!
-Spoon
Quote from: Spooner on November 16, 2006, 04:08:14 PM
Anthony has a SS bike too...
The superbike smokin amatuers joke was aimed at Ben if there was any doubt.
From Bens comment, it sounds like Anthony may be moving up, so good for him if this is the case.
Quote from: Jack_Brock on November 16, 2006, 03:58:18 PM
You guys need to leave stuff alone(i.e. leave it superstock), and focus on riding.
Yep, I ran a SS bike with U4, exhaust, and a rear shock all year long in SB. Only time I really wished it was built more was at Daytona on the Banking.
Don't forget you had the 12 lb. rider mod also... ;)
Quote from: Spooner on November 16, 2006, 05:05:42 PM
Don't forget you had the 12 lb. rider mod also... ;)
:biggrin:
Not to high jack the thread here... but...
I got Hall's 2 bikes and was looking at ways to make them better. i'm lost on what to do. i honestly don't think i can make them any better besides the lighter wheels.
so kind of back to one of the questions, if you were to just change one wheel, what would be the best to go with and how would it affect the bike lossing the extra weight on one end???
my opinion... unless your running upfront with the big boys each weekend, spend the grip on tires and schoolin. Once your looking for that extra .10 reconsider
Hall did pretty ok on the current setup... where they sold as is? Did he part out any performance goodies?
mod your skills and knowledge :thumb:
Quote from: Jack_Brock on November 16, 2006, 04:25:31 PM
The superbike smokin amatuers joke was aimed at Ben if there was any doubt.
From Bens comment, it sounds like Anthony may be moving up, so good for him if this is the case.
first off, my superbike is not for beating Amatuers, ive done plenty of that, its for beating experts. Next year I will be running almost exclusivly with wera and having to run into a much deeper expert field. I am staying amatuer one more year seeing that this year was my first year of roadracing, as well as the first time I had ever ridden a streetbike, and in 08 we will be making the jump to the national scene on a open class bike, currently I dont think i am ready for that jump so I will be spending one more year learning the craft as well as other tracks. As for the wheels, one of the best things about racing is having a cool motorcycle. If you are someone like anthony or many others, who are very capable riders who are doing this for the fun and challenge of it, not the drive to make it to the AMA, then why not buy some cool parts for you motorcycle if you have the means.
Quote from: benprobst on November 17, 2006, 05:20:35 PM
first off, my superbike is not for beating Amatuers, ive done plenty of that, its for beating experts. Next year I will be running almost exclusivly with wera and having to run into a much deeper expert field. I am staying amatuer one more year seeing that this year was my first year of roadracing, as well as the first time I had ever ridden a streetbike, and in 08 we will be making the jump to the national scene on a open class bike, currently I dont think i am ready for that jump so I will be spending one more year learning the craft as well as other tracks. As for the wheels, one of the best things about racing is having a cool motorcycle. If you are someone like anthony or many others, who are very capable riders who are doing this for the fun and challenge of it, not the drive to make it to the AMA, then why not buy some cool parts for you motorcycle if you have the means.
Yeah, I'm just joking with you. If you feel you need to stay amatuer another year because that is your comfort level, then that is what you should do. I've only ridden motorcycles of any kind for a few years, so I know its a tough learning curve.
I don't have a problem with people "pimping their rides", but I do question if sometimes it doesn't complicate matters.
Quote from: Jack_Brock on November 17, 2006, 05:42:21 PM
Yeah, I'm just joking with you. If you feel you need to stay amatuer another year because that is your comfort level, then that is what you should do. I've only ridden motorcycles of any kind for a few years, so I know its a tough learning curve.
I don't have a problem with people "pimping their rides", but I do question if sometimes it doesn't complicate matters.
I know you are, im sure I could be competive running as an expert with WERA, but i dont see it benifiting me much, hopefull I will be fast enough to catch the guys I would have been running with, I just dont see the white plates giving me any type of competive advantage, and to be honest I hope the better results will help me get my name out there (while i realize am. roadracing isnt a big deal a win is a win). Anyway, I hope to see you out next season Jack, while I wont be running much ccs stuff I will most likely be at gateway since I think mw and gp will be combined when they come to town.
Quote from: tstruyk on November 17, 2006, 03:19:57 PM
my opinion... unless your running upfront with the big boys each weekend, spend the grip on tires and schoolin. Once your looking for that extra .10 reconsider
Hall did pretty ok on the current setup... where they sold as is? Did he part out any performance goodies?
mod your skills and knowledge :thumb:
nah, they have everything, fork inrds, rear penski, shit, everything. i am doing at least one race school in the spring and should already have enough new tires stacked up in the closet to last at least half the year. just looking for any next little bit that will help.
So where can a guy get a fair deal on a used marchesini rear "00"rim?john