I was checking out mylaps.com.... let's say for the sake of argument that we could get our laptimes on the web to be viewed.
Would you think it a good idea to be able to enter in your setup information for each race on the website? That way you could possibly have a single repository for that information.
Possibly even an option to download the data into a PDA, or some other format?
Would you have the ability to view others set up's or just your own?
It could be either or... possibly the rider having a checkbox on whether or not to make it "public".
It would be kick a$$ to be able to down load lap times but I would want them public.
Lap times would be public... just questioning whether the setup info should be.
Bike setup, on the web, ya-right.
Quote from: BRG on June 07, 2006, 04:14:20 PM
Bike setup, on the web, ya-right.
Thanks for the help...
Quote from: r1owner on June 07, 2006, 04:52:46 PM
Thanks for the help...
You know nothing about the motorcycle racing industry if you think anyone that knows what they are really doing will just post it for all to see and use. :jerkoff:
This is called racing, right?
Quote from: BRG on June 07, 2006, 10:03:21 PM
You know nothing about the motorcycle racing industry if you think anyone that knows what they are really doing will just post it for all to see and use. :jerkoff:
This is called racing, right?
You're right, I am just a club racer. Not in it for the money. But I do as a consumer know when an owner is a knucklehead... and I'll surely take my business elsewhere....
How about this... you know so much more about racing than me (that's a fact not being a smartass)... how about a constructive post on what types of things a racer may want to track? I merely answered the other guys question about it
could be possible for them to share it if they wished.
My point in this whole question is whether it would be worth it to a racer to be able to keep track of their setup (on the web for a single place of reference) as it relates to their respective track times.... do you have something to contribute to this end?
Quote from: r1owner on June 07, 2006, 10:23:38 PM
You're right, I am just a club racer. Not in it for the money. But I do as a consumer know when an owner is a knucklehead... and I'll surely take my business elsewhere....
How about this... you know so much more about racing than me (that's a fact not being a smartass)... how about a constructive post on what types of things a racer may want to track? I merely answered the other guys question about it could be possible for them to share it if they wished.
My point in this whole question is whether it would be worth it to a racer to be able to keep track of their setup (on the web for a single place of reference) as it relates to their respective track times.... do you have something to contribute to this end?
While I agree that no one will make hard earned setup information available, I think that baseline information will be given up and made public. After all, the setup I have on my bike I know for a fact won't work for most people. Each individual needs their own setup. I think you have a good idea, don't be discouraged. How many noobs post about "what gearing do I start with" or "what ride height do I start at?".
Quote from: BRG on June 07, 2006, 10:03:21 PM
You know nothing about the motorcycle racing industry if you think anyone that knows what they are really doing will just post it for all to see and use. :jerkoff:
This is called racing, right?
Your right...But more important and racer who asks another racer for setup information doesn't really know what they are doing...
As Larry said above, no two setups will be the same...
If anyone asks me setup information I am more than happy to give it to them...I am 5'10" and 195LBS and run Ohlins...Let them chase my settings on their bike that is setup for them at 170LBS and they have a Penske...
Helps me IMO more than them....
I agree totally with the two previous posts... Thanks for the input guys... Of course I haven't even set the sag on my R6 yet! :lmao:
My question is... would it be worth it for you to have that setup information for each race matched to the laptimes on the web, or would it be easier to just write it down on a sheet of paper (Excel, or whatever) then match the laptimes up that way.
scott are you suggesting a single place of reference for each individual rider to access so that if say they had a laptop and wireless connection at the track they could upload their information into a secure area? I could see a benefit for those that dont have the means to create/manage their own webspace, and having it stored on the web would make it accessable from anywhere... home/office/track... I could see a benefit for that. As for MY set up info... I can see 2 points. Set ups can be shared, not always and not every situation... but it can happen. People spend serious amounts of time and money on setups (some more time and some more money) I wouldnt want that information made public. you think mladin and spies share information on set up? and they are on the same team!
I understand what Mike's saying... have at it and good luck. I noticed in a picture of his bike his front end geometry is WAY different than mine... I wouldnt use his setup, there is clearly something different between us (other than 2-3 seconds per lap) but once baselines are established, maybe its the changes to the baseline that I would be more concerned with from track to track!
So for personal use... yes, IMO some would share a benefit. All public...I wouldnt partake.
Tim,
Pretty much.... it was never my intent to make someone's setup public. I just thought it would be a good tool to see what setup created the fastest lap time at a particular track on a particular day and be able to keep it in one place. I know sometimes entering and finding info on a computer is more painful than just writing it in a notebook. The cool thing here would be you would be able to easily compare your laptimes to your setup for that particular race.
The problem with it (at least as far as setup goes) is that you would have to write the info down somewhere initially, then enter it in again when you have web access. Not really the best situation.
The laptimes would be the only thing that would be public, unless the user wanted to make their setup public.
Curious... why would I put my setup on a Web site, and not just on my own computer or in a notebook.. both of which would serve as a 'single point of reference'.
My opinion, the only reason to put them on the Web is to either:
1. Share it with others who don't have access to my notebook or computer.
2. Have access to the data if I don't have my notebook or computer with me.
So being said that...
1. Lap times - would be cool to know they all are always available for you to look at... but I think the novelty would wear off. I find myself only caring about my single 'best' time of the weekend now.
2. I don't know when I'd ever need access to my setup data when I'm not either working on my bike, or have my computer or notebook with me.
So, I say the juice isn't worth the squeeze on this one.
Quote from: ecumike on June 08, 2006, 01:47:19 PM
Curious... why would I put my setup on a Web site, and not just on my own computer or in a notebook.. both of which would serve as a 'single point of reference'.
By single point of reference, I meant you could relate a setup to a set of laptimes and it would be accessible in one place. Do you currently have a spreadsheet with the info or something?
I am leaning towards your point of view (as evidenced by my previous post) that it would not be worth it to keep it on the web. Like you said when you are most likely to need it (at the track), you won't have web access anyway.
Yes, that's why I say that.
I have a 'track data' sheet that I made. Keeps track of all my setup info, etc for the day, as well as for each session I'm out on the track. I fill it out after every session. Have a binder with all the sheets in it. Currently, I have 2+ years of data... makes setup for each track, for every condition, a breeze. No more guessswork... even for a 2-stroke. :cheers:
If you/anyone's interested, I'll be glad to upload it and post a link to it for you to have and modify.
Quote from: r1owner on June 07, 2006, 10:23:38 PM
You're right, I am just a club racer. Not in it for the money. But I do as a consumer know when an owner is a knucklehead... and I'll surely take my business elsewhere....
How about this... you know so much more about racing than me (that's a fact not being a smartass)... how about a constructive post on what types of things a racer may want to track? I merely answered the other guys question about it could be possible for them to share it if they wished.
My point in this whole question is whether it would be worth it to a racer to be able to keep track of their setup (on the web for a single place of reference) as it relates to their respective track times.... do you have something to contribute to this end?
Owner?? I don't own anything that has to do with roadracing.
"I'm not in it for the money" This may be the only smart thing you have said.
"You know so much more about racing" Well I know a little, But I sure would not post it on the internet for free.
My contribution. Setup, "yes" keep a note book of base line settings for each track you go to. This may or may not help as there are way to many variables and just when you think you have all the variables covered......... your fooling yourself. Learn how to evaluate your setup and make changes in the right direction. This take years for some and the average career for a racer is 2-3 years.
Just have fun and try not to kill yourself, there's more to life after racing your motorbike!
Baker
Quote from: ecumike on June 08, 2006, 08:07:31 PM
Yes, that's why I say that.
I have a 'track data' sheet that I made. Keeps track of all my setup info, etc for the day, as well as for each session I'm out on the track. I fill it out after every session. Have a binder with all the sheets in it. Currently, I have 2+ years of data... makes setup for each track, for every condition, a breeze. No more guessswork... even for a 2-stroke. :cheers:
If you/anyone's interested, I'll be glad to upload it and post a link to it for you to have and modify.
I already have one on my website. Don't know where I got it but thanks to whoever gave it to me.
http://www.roadracemotorcycles.com/TuningAndLapChart.doc
Since Baker "owns nothing that has to do with roadracing" what's he doing here? He's so jaded about racing he's forgotten the days when amateur racers like ourselves had a good time and actually enjoyed the sport and would help out a buddy (or a stranger, if they were pitted next to us). I doubt Scott ever imagined Tommy Hayden was going to post his set-up online.
I bet Baker also belongs to a knitting forum and harasses old ladies on what kind of knots they use. (Then says "hey, I'm no knitter, but there is no way that shawl will turn out using those needles!")
I am not jaded in anyway. I do have a very dry sence of humor. I also do help out a few racers, Andy Feuersthauler, I do his suspension work etc... I also help out a few AMA regulars. I have moved on to other things but still have a small interest in motorcycle racing that may get me to the track once a year. This was simply a response to question that is common sense in any form of racing. Why would anyone want to give out there setup info. This is racing, that is part of the sport. It would make no sense to post your setup info. on the web or trade setup info with anyone you compete against. Prime example the entire Yosh team. There is really not much more to say. This was not a personal attack, but you seem to have taken it that way, thats your problem. It also seem that most of the people that talk shit are the ones that don't post who thay really are. :jerkoff:
Baker
I guess scott came to his AM senses! :ass:
Quote from: Scott on June 12, 2006, 02:00:44 PM
Since Baker "owns nothing that has to do with roadracing" what's he doing here? He's so jaded about racing he's forgotten the days when amateur racers like ourselves had a good time and actually enjoyed the sport and would help out a buddy (or a stranger, if they were pitted next to us). I doubt Scott ever imagined Tommy Hayden was going to post his set-up online.
I bet Baker also belongs to a knitting forum and harasses old ladies on what kind of knots they use. (Then says "hey, I'm no knitter, but there is no way that shawl will turn out using those needles!")
GMAFB :jerkoff:
UH....Scott, BRG can dust his old ass off, , then run a 2hour endurance and kick OUR ASSES!! So go pound sand
Quote from: jer271 on June 14, 2006, 12:44:45 AM
UH....Scott, BRG can dust his old ass off, , then run a 2hour endurance and kick OUR ASSES!! So go pound sand
What does that have to do with BRG being an ass?
I am sorry, i think when he said "since baker owns nothing to do with road racing why is he here" I just thought some people should be told that some other people have been around long enough to just come on out and still do well and his knowledge probably surpasses his yellow plate on his computer typing ass.
I just think its funny some of the stupid shit people ask to do for club racing this post is a waste unless u are sitting in your lil office with nothing too do. you would think we where racing with AMA with all the so serious shit you guys want for blackhawk farms or any other shit hole track we are racing at. Get out from behind your computer, where almost all you guys look for answers-like geeks, and do heavy testing like BRG and Super Dave and maybe youll get better than asking people on a friking computer all day long for advice on how to do this or that and the percist moment when you should put your knee down in 2 AT Blachawk.... oh wait AM probably dont do that.
Ok, Iam done, make fun of me for a while...... Baker liked his picture thats all I care about
You mean I can't become a Moto GP star by learning all there is to know on the NET? DAMMIT, my plan is ruined! ;)
I mean that dude that won the NASCAR race attributed it to video games.....
hey now, dont bring those toothless wonders into this. but u r right about that one
Quote from: r1owner on June 14, 2006, 10:05:00 AM
What does that have to do with BRG being an ass?
I am an ass because I said NO to his post, thats your opinion. You talk alot of shit on the net along with the other wanabes... This is why the CCS will never be like WERA, fucking loosers like you. Lets see, how many years do you plan to stay AM.
:ahhh:now ya did it.....ya threw fuel on a fire. get ready for the :boink: of a lifetime!!
Quote from: BRG on June 14, 2006, 11:31:05 AM
I am an ass because I said NO to his post, thats your opinion. You talk alot of shit on the net along with the other wanabes... This is why the CCS will never be like WERA, fucking loosers like you. Lets see, how many years do you plan to stay AM.
No not because you said NO to his post... cause you didn't read the post where I said the setup information could be available to other people if they wished. Then you jumped in and talked down to me like I'm an idiot. Which is your opinion, fine, I have no problem what you think of me. As a software developer, I was simply trying to get requirements for a potential problem and code for as many possibilites as I could to make the system more flexible.
Similiar to what you do (I imagine) when you tune a suspension on a bike. I was simply asking for ideas. You posted in a derogatory manor. I just figured someone with your experience might be able to help with what kinds of things to track and if it would even be a good idea to keep it on the web (even if it was private).
I don't know where you see me talking a lot of shit, but whatever...
Yeah, I was the one talking shit! I know it's confusing because R1owner's name is Scott and so is mine.
I know Baker is faster than me, he can probably knit a nicer sweater than me too, but why does he have to be such an A-hole when R1 owner was just asking a friggin question?
That was my point. He could just as well have said "I don't think top performing racers will have any interest in posting the set-ups they've worked so hard on."
See how nice that was?
good point!.... baker your a prick.
OK, who is in charge of this idea? CCS or club members, if interest was there for it.
Scott,
You would have got that in my first post.
Why are you afraid to post who you are? You cant have a conversation on the BBS like a real adult and just tell people how it is and accept others opinions/experience without personally insulting them?
I have better things to do with my time, good luck in life.
Damn you to hell Baker. Your crass replies make me want to cry; bastard.
P.S. Knitting is like way cool.
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waitingformarkjungetoposthissuspensionsettings. ::)
I did post who I am!
Scott Dobson
MW AM #36 (sez so right on my signature line)
MWM, 32
Virgo, like long walks on the beach, candlelit dinners, and deep conversation.
I have a tough, cool exterior but am a teddy bear on the inside.
If you Lois Lane, I can be your Clark Kent and Superman.
OK, I now know who "Scott" and "R1owner" are now!
Now I know why you are trying to get info. on how to improve your riding!
1) You 2 are the last 2 to be talking smack to anyone in the roadracing "world"
2) I wouldn't even let you on a race track for a track day.
3) You have to be fucking kidding me, of all the people to talk smack. Just because I was direct and straight to the point with my answer.
HAaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!! :finger: :jerkoff: :ass:
Flame away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 :cheers:
Baker
Quote from: Scott on June 15, 2006, 10:02:49 AM
I did post who I am!
Scott Dobson
MW AM #36 (sez so right on my signature line)
MWM, 32
Virgo, like long walks on the beach, candlelit dinners, and deep conversation.
I have a tough, cool exterior but am a teddy bear on the inside.
If you Lois Lane, I can be your Clark Kent and Superman.
Hmm, sounds like a nice guy. What kinda dress does Lois Lane wear? :kissy: :lmao:
:pop:
1. I didn't talk smack about roadracing. I never said I was faster or better than anyone. I said you were an A-hole. Thats not smack, thats the truth.
2. I AM trying to get faster. Please name one racer on earth who isn't.
3. Have a good weekend, Baker. Hope your not trapped in front of your computer all weekend trying to come up with witty comebacks! I'm going to go find some race track or track day organizer who will let me on the track.