I was told that on a twin sprint weekend contingencies are only paid for the second race. With the increased entry fees involved such as at Barber, how is it beneficial to us the racers? Seems like the only purpose is to make CCS more money.
I think that is usually true of manufacturer contingency (Yamaha, Suzuki, etc.), but not of tire contingency, etc. Might want to contact CCS or the contingency company directly.
still only one purse race per weekend >:( >:( >:(
purpose?
Increased entries to offset track costs. - benefit CCS
Increased racing opportunities - benefit racers
Increased available points - benefit racers
Quote from: ahastings on May 10, 2006, 11:54:22 PM
I was told that on a twin sprint weekend contingencies are only paid for the second race. With the increased entry fees involved such as at Barber, how is it beneficial to us the racers? Seems like the only purpose is to make CCS more money.
It might be important to know that CCS does not set up the contigency, the sponsoring companies negotiate these deals.
As Jeff pointed out, CCS benefits from increased entries on twin sprint weekends, but riders benefit from track time and available points.
Remember, this year Kevin Elliott is funding CCS/ASRA out of his own pocket, and he needs to be successful at it for us to have the series survive. It's a business, and I can assure you, he's probably not laughing all the way to the bank. It's a lot of hard work to make this work, and for him it's a start-up year.
If CCS makes money, we should all be happy, because that assures the future of the sport.
Not to mention that entry fees and licensing fees have not increased in the last 3 years (knock on wood)
I like the idea. The #1 cost of racing is travel expense (lodging, gas, etc.) With a twin sprint you essentially cut those costs in half. As for contingency, I'm pretty sure the tire, brake, bodywork, etc. contingencies pay for both days as separate events... of course that's just speculation on how it SHOULD be. Obviously with the amount of OEM contingency they only pay once per weekend (just think, it gives you more shots at a win).
Most contingency sponsors sign up for both events (we report them as separate races). Manufactuer contingency pays more at fewer events so they choose Sunday only.
We try to only run twin sprints at tracks where the event cost is probhibitive, so we try to get our, (and your), moneys worth while we are there. Road America and Barber both cost more than $13,000 per day and we are extremely hard pressed just to break even. (Road America has lost money for 3 years running, Barber lost money big last year when we tried the regular format, hence the Twin Sprint this year.)
Yes, we know a better date at Road America would help us, but until Road America gives us a better date or stops selling spectator tickets, it is what it is.
Thanks to everyone for their support of CCS Racing.
Thanks for the info. I was told wrong initially about all contingencies being paid for only one day. It is just the OEM's that do that. The increased entry fees are tough to swallow, I think it will cause people to just enter less classes. At $75/$50 per class pre-entry if you run only 5 classes X 2 you are talking over $500 in entry fees alone.
Quote from: ahastings on May 11, 2006, 01:28:18 PM
Thanks for the info. I was told wrong initially about all contingencies being paid for only one day. It is just the OEM's that do that. The increased entry fees are tough to swallow, I think it will cause people to just enter less classes. At $75/$50 per class pre-entry if you run only 5 classes X 2 you are talking over $500 in entry fees alone.
Agreed, the costs are hard to swollow.
However, there are racers that are attracted to specific tracks. At times, there "racing life" will revolve around their finite opportunities to compete at these venues. Daytona, Barber, VIR, RA, etc...some examples. It costs to rent them. Still, even though I don't personally like some of those tracks, others I do, I think it is important to have them on the schedule to CCS, the small business, and to CCS racers, the individuals that need to be attracted to the competition at various events.
Quote from: robsob on May 11, 2006, 08:33:40 AM
still only one purse race per weekend >:( >:( >:(
ULGP only pays once per weekend?
only one ulgp per weekend @ RA, i think @ HPT too
For those events, one ULGP, because it's an ASRA weekend and the ULGP event is kind of pulled under the ASRA banner.
For a regular CCS twin sprint event, one that doesn't have ASRA status, there will be two ULGP's. Example, GP region is having a twin sprint event at MAM. They will have two ULGP's.
If Barber is so cost prohibitive to run without jacking up the entry fees AND making it a twin sprint weekend how does WERA run there without doing that and not lose money, or maybe they do lose money at Barber, but i doubt it.
They might be loosing money. It happens to racing organizations that you loose money at some events, break even at others, and make some to cover you losses at others.
The opportunities are always there for individuals to try and develop their own organizations for schools, track days, and racing organizations. It's not cheap. Call Barber and see what the rental is for just a test day. Might be an eye opener.
Actually the fees are similar or less for the majority of riders.
Average rider enters three classes 70/70/50 (with UGP)or 70/50/35 (non purse paying) and 20 gate so 210 or 175
so for two events 420 or 350 plus the assoiated cost of travel, motel for two trips/weekends
for twin sprint 75/50/50/50/50/50 for purse or non purse and 35gate = 360
Oh and sorry on the bad info on contingencies; I thought Ryan was asking me about OEM, which pick and choose dates as Kevin mentioned, when he asked me about Barber contingency.
Thanks, Eric. Helps in the overall perspective.
75/50/35?? i thought it was 75/50/50/50 this year?
75/50/50 is only for twin sprints. For all other race weekends it will be 75/50/35/35. Unless you tear your MCL, then you're just SOL for the rest of the year. Good luck with the rest of the year Rob ;)
70/50/35/35... pre-entry price
75/50/50.... post entry price
other than RA, Barber and Daytona for races run out of the Ft. Worth office.
;D
mike- sorry to hear that . do you need surgery? was lookin forward to racin you again! good luck! >:(
Scopped for sure, pending the results of the MRI and my PCL/ACL I might need more surgery. I had a balst racing with you the first two weekends, keep the pace man!
Oh shoot Mike that sucks hope you can come hang out at blackhawk a race or two.
Good luck with the surgery's hope all goes well.
Rob P
AM 21
Hey thanks man, I'll be down at blackhawk in June for sure. Keep that R1 up front bud!