Ok so I'm no spring chicken, at40 I've been riding all my life dirt & street. I started doing corner work a couple years ago and have gotten the bug to do some racing. I have purchased a nice gsxr1k full race setup. My ? is how do you guys deal with the GP shift pattern when you are so used to the street pattern? It seems I have enough to think about on the track without having to think about my shift pattern. I know that some of the guys run the street pattern at the track to avoid this problem. This bike has an electric shifter on it. Can I flip the pattern and still use the shifter? I just bought the bike and have not taken the time to play with the shifter. I'm at work now and figured I would post this up and see if I could get some input prior to my wrenching this weekend. Thanks for any help.
I can't give you answers on the shift cut out...
But GP pattern...
It works very well. Learning it? Well, I learned how to drive a stick with a three on the tree. It doesn't take too long for me to learn four speeds, five speeds, etc. GP is just a different way of doing it. I won't go deep in to my reasons why I think it's a more efficient way of shifting, but many racers use it very successfully.
Thanks Dave I did a search after I posted the ?, I see the subject has been covered at length. I'm gonna change the busa over to GP and see if I can master it on the street 1st.
It takes a little time but it's really not that bad. I've ridden on the street for 25 years and when I got my first race bike last year the GP had me really worried. The first track day I went the wrong way 3 or 4 times but now it's not a problem at all. You'll waste a little brain power thinking about it the first few times out but then it will become natural.
Quote from: raising cane on May 10, 2006, 06:16:52 PM
I'm gonna change the busa over to GP and see if I can master it on the street 1st.
That may or may not help you.
I get on a dirt bike, ice bike, or a street bike, and I just go into "street" shift mode. Get me on a road course, and I go into GP shift mode. It might help you doing it on the street, but it might not be completely representative of how it works for you.
Same as Dave here. I have 5 bikes, 2 with GP shifting, 3 with strandard. By now, it's easy for me to switch my brain depending on the bike I am riding.
Usually, when you have a speedshifter, they do not work the other way, so if it's an inverted one, it will only work with GP shifting. Usually you can buy different triggers if you need to change that though.
Just a suggestion: if you feel that going to GP shift is going to take up some valuable processing time, it would be, at best, to try this on a long track day. The reason I say this is due to an incident that happened in front of me about a year ago.
In the heat of competition; my fellow competitor (who will remain nameless) was ass-packed by yours truly! Scary shit! Not to mention the possibility of floating a valve or two or three.....
There are advantages, but that's another thread.
Good Luck though!
+1 on that. Some folks have no trouble going back and forth... I know I can't do that. I used the GP pattern on a street bike for a couple weeks to burn it into my brain. If you don't you may be fine most of the time, but when you have a panic situation you'll revert to the old pattern and it could lead to you getting "ass-packed" as mentioned above :)
I destroyed a motor learning how to GP shift. (That's what you call an expensive lesson....) These days, I can't street shift worth a damn anymore. GP shift is much better for the track, and if I must ride a street-shift bike now, I simply shout "UP" each time I need to upshift, and "DOWN" each time I need to downshift.
Of course, as these guys will tell you, my brain is small and feeble, so your results may vary! ;D
I am going to try the GP pattern on my stret bike cause I think the GP is more efficient on the trackand as stated my 1k has an electric shifter that I do not want to change. As for you guys with bikes both ways. I could never do that!!!! Well maybe on my dirt bike? Thanks for the input.
The draw back to changing a street bike to GP shift - what if you buy a bike that cannot be converted to GP shift or you need to ride another person's street bike and cannot easily make the change to GP shift. I use GP shift on the track and regular shift on the street. Really is not as difficult as you think.
This is what worked for me. Maybe it will work for you. I can go back and forth no problem.
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When I want to go Faster, I tuck down behind the bubble. I also hit down on the shifter to go into a higher gear (aka: faster).
When I want to Slow down, I sit UP on the bike as I brake. I also pull UP on the shifter to go into a lower gear.
Voila.
Had a ST4s Duc that was easily changed over to GP, so I did. It helped acclimate me to the GP shift on the RC which had also been easy to change over. I believe if your ignition cut out switch is for GP it is that way forever, but I'm only vaguely familiar with the DynoJet models. Have fun with the Gixx 1k. I kinda miss my '01 :(
I prefer to have the same on both track and street. But I changed my YZF to gp shift for street. When I ride someone elses bike it takes a few times before I star back into standard. Still end up accidentally trying to up shift on a std bike by kicking down. Usually I cant it before I let the clutch out.
Ironically I can drive LHD and RHD manual tranny cars without a hitch. :D
Your other option is to keep the street shift pattern and never think or worry about missing a shift. I ride too many different motorcycles to consider monkeying around with it. I don't think it slows me down much.
Seemed to work out OK for Kevin Schwantz too...
Quote from: PJ on May 15, 2006, 10:26:37 PM
Seemed to work out OK for Kevin Schwantz too...
And Mat Mladin!