There is someone out there trying to sell GLRRAs transponders to CCS riders. DO NOT BUY THESE TRANSPONDERS JUST BECAUSE OF THE CCS SWITCH TO ELECTRONIC SCORING!!! DB Comm transponders or AMB transponders WILL NOT WORK with our new system!!! Please, unless it is for personal use, do not waste your money on these! CCS will issue transponders at registration--at no cost! There is no need to buy any type of transponder--in fact, the transponders we will be using are unique to our series and are not for sale on a retail level. I'm not saying this guy isn't legit, I'm just looking out for y'all...I'd hate to see you waste money that you could put into a new clutch or tires...or flowers for your wives...
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Tiffiney, I was wondering how the transponders will mount on our bikes. Is there a mount of some type that will be permanently affixed to our bike that the transponder will lock into? If so can we obtain it before the start of the season or should we be prepared to have to attach it at the track (are screws etc. included with mount)? Also is the mount included free of charge and what if we need multiple ones for different bikes? I have never used a transponder before and I would imagine that there are others out there with similar questions that would also prefer to do any work possible ahead of time.
Thanks,
M.R.W.
Quote... DB Comm transponders or AMB transponders WILL NOT WORK with our new system!!! ...
Tiffiney, I already bought 3 of them for my bikes!
I'll wait for you to send me the 3 riembursement checks, before I send CCS the worthless transponders.
Thanks!!! ;D
Thanks Tiffiney for the heads up.
Dawn :)
So Tiffiney you are saying that the CCS transponders will not be compatible with WERA?
im pretty psyched that we will now have transponders everywhere. ;D
I'm just bummed that the Midwest has to wait until July before they are implemented. :-[ Please hurry!
Here's how to attach a transponder:
They give you everything in a baggy. You wait until first call of practice, or have no choice because of tech lines. Then you run around like mad trying to find a drill and removing the tail to try and drill the holes. Then you get everything on there and it's all good and practice session ends. That is pretty much how you do it. Just remember to bring a drill.
..and wire ties.
Will hot glue work? ;D
Sounds great. Hopefully the mounts will fit the holes already there from other transponders. If not, I guess there is always velcro! ;D
QuoteDO NOT BUY THESE TRANSPONDERS JUST BECAUSE OF THE CCS SWITCH TO ELECTRONIC SCORING!!! DB Comm transponders or AMB transponders WILL NOT WORK with our new system!!!
Where exactly is this new system being used?
All CCS club events? FUSA nationals? I question this because LRRS (A CCS affiliate) uses the AMB system at Loudon. If FUSA is using this system, does that mean that the riders will be juggling two different transponders on their bikes when the Loudon Classic hosts a combined LRRS/FUSA event? Please get me up to speed on this, I'll be dealing with it in June.
If I had to guess I would bet that the previous owner of GLRRA...Erick Nacke...is the one trying to sell the transponders! Last year he said he would pay me for mine, after I moved, so I sent it back to MI from AZ...but he never reimbursed me. He from that point on refused to return email. Next thing you know GLRRA went belly-up! Beware!
Hey guys! Sorry for a late response, I have the flu...this is not the birthday weekend I had in mind! Anyway, these transponders will not work with any other system. As far as the Formula USA race at Loudon, that is up to Kevin and Don. This system's transponders come with a (I think it's nylon) pouch which from what I understand you can purchase as many as you need. Both the pouch and the transponder have been crash tested, and the pouch survived in 99% of those crashes. Believe me, the transponders survived quite well also. The pouch has two holes that will need to be mounted to the tail section of your bike. The only stipulation is that there can be no metal between the transponder and the ground. I realize that this can cause a problem for the 125 and 250 classes, but we will work out a place for proper mounting for those. Either way, transponders are not used for line calls, so even if Guy A's transponder is in front of Guy B's, but Guy B is actually in front of Guy A at the line, guy B will still win. Somewhere in this flu-delerious state, that makes sense.
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Eh? I don't understand about the metal between transponder and the ground. What about the metal in the wheel? And, how does that affect the 125s and 250s any differently? Can someone or Tiffeny fill me in here?
For the new system, we use a loop built into the track in the ground. Metal deflects the radio signal coming from the transponder. The only bikes we've had a problem with were the 125s and 250s with metal (or carbon fiber) in their tail section. The average 600, 750, or 1000 (or SV) hasn't given the new system a problem. Even with the small bikes, the majority of the riders didn't have any difficulty with mounts on the tail--we're being extra cautious.
What about the ones of us who have a Power Comandeer under that tail section?...will it affect anything either way?
When tested in Vegas it worked well on my F4i and the powercomander module was directly underneath. No apparent problems. GP
ok good...thanks
QuoteEh? I don't understand about the metal between transponder and the ground. What about the metal in the wheel? And, how does that affect the 125s and 250s any differently? Can someone or Tiffeny fill me in here?
Ditto ;D
What about tracks that don't have a loop? Did Blackhawk put a loop under their new surface that we don't know about?
QuoteWhat about tracks that don't have a loop? Did Blackhawk put a loop under their new surface that we don't know about?
Oooo...
Good question. I look forward to hearing the answer to this one.
Dawn ;)
The loops are installed AFTER track is laid. You use a masonry saw and cut a groove then place wire and seal over the top of it. Looks like the loops that the city puts in for traffic light signalling. so it is not "in" pavement.
Ah Nate didn't Tiff already answer that question? ???
Good luck getting BHF to cut a groove in their new surface. They were very careful to not have any seems in their new surface. Now you are going to ask them to make a cut across the track?
I can't wait to hear their response to that. When CCS heard they were redoing the track, did it ever occur to anyone to say, "Hey, wait a minute, maybe we should talk to them about this loop before the track is done?
Question I forgot in last reply.
If you cut a groove "in" the track, put "in" the wire, then seal over it. How is that not "in" the pavement? It is not on top of the pavement, it is "in" a cut "in" the pavement.
Tiff, I hope you're feeling better soon. Being sick on your b-day is a bummer.
How much are the pouches, and when will they be available for purchase? We'd like to get ours as soon as they are available.
What about the padlock on the gate at BHF? I mean, did they get a good one with a key, or did they use a combo lock?
Did anyone check to make sure there are enough key cutters in the Beloit area? What happens if the combo accidentally falls into the grindings used to pave the pit?
Now I'll never sleep at night worrying whether CCS can ever get into the track :-/
Get better Tiff!
QuoteWhat about the padlock on the gate at BHF? I mean, did they get a good one with a key, or did they use a combo lock?
Did anyone check to make sure there are enough key cutters in the Beloit area? What happens if the combo accidentally falls into the grindings used to pave the pit?
Now I'll never sleep at night worrying whether CCS can ever get into the track :-/
Get better Tiff!
Well there is a back way into the track ;) Come out right after turn 1.;D ;D
CCS has been locked out before ......... ;D ;D
My point about it not being "in" the track is that it is installed after the pavement is down not mixed into asphalt when it is laid. This loop is used by most all of the electronic scoring systems. Never having been to BHF before I would assume that they already had one for SCCA, Karts, or other races that occur there. Never seen a problem with track having one installed they are standard practice today and any top level facilty installs one themselves.
Just checked with Blackhawk owner Ray Irwin. They have made provisions for installing the loop for electronic scoring in the new track surface ;D
QuoteJust checked with Blackhawk owner Ray Irwin. They have made provisions for installing the loop for electronic scoring in the new track surface ;D
Thanks for keeping us in the..... "loop" ;D
Dawn :D
lol...Dawn, you're killin me! By the way, thanks guys, I'm feeling much better, and my birthday is off to a great start!