For those who have run AMA events.
I'm curious to know about spouse/crew passes for a single weekend. I've seen the credential passes for the entire season for like $600+, but wondered if there is anything that will allow for some assistance for a single weekend.
Case in point... I want to run Road America, and would like to be able to have some assistance at the pit wall if necessary. How much is it going to cost me???
Yes, there is a one weekend crew pass. That's what I had last year. I can't remember how much it was.
Dig around on www.amaproracing.com
Heather
Jeff, if I remember correctly, I believe it was $75 or $90 for the weekend. This will will give them full access over the pit wall, etc. Additionally, to get a crew pass, the person must have an AMA membership. I think you can buy the membership when you get the crew pass. It is $39.
I wouldn't be able to help the whole weekend. But, I have the credentials to get over the wall if you need help during qualifying or the race.
Pre Enter for the event and you can get a guest/crew credential. The person must be an AMA member.
I dont think Post Entry will work.
You have to go out to AMA registration with the person you are getting the crew pass for and ask for the guest pass. Show (or purchase) AMA Membership for that person and you are good to go with a crew pass for your Mrs.
SG
Thanks Bill. I was hoping you'd chime in. I was looking for your your # but all I have is a very old one for you.
I'm still not 'guaranteed' running, but I'm getting closer to it...
By the way, those prices are from memory... and 2003. You should be able to find the info in your AMA paperwork if you have it already. Let me know if you do not, and I can look it up in mine.
My number is 319-360-9913. Let me know if you want my take on what a weekend is like (just as a pit bitch of course). I am sure that Stumpy can chime in as well.
Oh, there is also a 'Riders Only' section to the AMA site. There is a lot of info there. But, you must have your license before you get a login ID.
I know for a fact that the person you are getting the pass for has to be an AMA member - I think last year at Road America I got passes for 6 - 8 people and it was 40 or 50 bucks a pop...But then again I don't remember that well, I kinda fell off the bike during the SS race.....
What's the hold up Jeff? Are you waiting for them to give you a license or what? The more local boys the better...Come on out.....
I can get the license... It's the budget thing. If I can lock up tires, I'm in...
Jeff dont forget I think that you have to get the license 30 days before the event
Yeah, regardless I'm going to get my license. I'm filling out the paperwork now and it will go off later this week...
Stumpy preentered, but I didn't get my pass until that weekend. It was no trouble at all.
For your budget, you will put new tires on EVERY time you go on the track. There's your first expense.
Heather
Tires...
Yep... I will only be able to run the FX race because of my bike. Planning on 3 sets of tires...
Jeff,
Prices went up this year for mechanic passes. It $70 for a crew pass per weekend, plus $39 if that person is not an AMA member.
The $39 then gets them a one year AMA membership.
Unless you run the entire season it's not worth buying the crew pass which is $685 a person I believe.
QuoteTires...
Yep... I will only be able to run the FX race because of my bike. Planning on 3 sets of tires...
Kevin, correct me if I am wrong, but he will need more than three sets of tires won't he? At least rear tires? ???
Hey Jeff, I would plan on 5 sets for the weekend if I were you! No kidding...
5 sets? for just Formula Extreme??
There are 2 practice sessions, 1 qualifying session and the race... Or am I missing something?
That is four sets since you really should go out on a new set every time, and one set mounted in case the race gets red flagged...
FX can run slicks. You should be able to get by with two sets. One set for practice and one set for qualifying and race. You might do 3 rears and 2 fronts. But even then a 600 should make a rear last pretty good.
Using 5 sets is a bit much unless you are running in the top 10 or have a big $ budget. Unless you can take advantage of everything a new set is giving you I would save some money. In the end when everything is said and done you will only have a bigger credit card bill from using 4-5 sets with basically the same results and fun with using 2 sets.
Of course with the corners repaved tire ware my vary a bit this year. I would suggest running both NESBA track days in order to do some testing. ;)
5 sets of tires for practice, qual., and FX???
You guys are on crack!
Half the guys saying you will use 5 sets for that, can't even waste a tire in a 6 lap CCS race.
If you cant keep up with the conversation or add relevant/personal experience to it. Its best not to join in at all.
Two sets budget racer
One extra rear if needed.
Well, I am not getting to get into a pissing match here, but there are a couple of things to be brought up here:
1) I forgot that in FX you can run slicks, I was thinking more on the terms of Bridgestone DOT's, which I have heard that they are great in the 1st 10-15 laps (which I believe all of the practice are longer than that).
2) I have always heard that if you want to do well at the AMA level, you want consistency in your equipment, this way you know that if you change something, the difference was not the tires. I am not saying the tires are completely done after this, they will be good for a CCS regional race, a practice day or such.
Also, just because you do not have that experience racing in AMA races, doesn't mean that you can't have an opinion. The carousel at Road A is known for eating the right side of the tire.
Now Baker, I have a question for you: How many rear Pirelli's was Andy going through at a CCS weekend at BHF? When Andy does the Road America round this year for AMA is he going to use 2 rears only? Will he use Greens, Yellows or Blue's?
I would still say put on a fresh set every session. Why wouldn't you? So you don't use them up and you have some great take offs for CCS practice or whatever. Stumpy used 5 sets last year and obviously wasn't some front runner, but our theory was those tires will get used up eventually. And we wanted to be as close to race set up for each session as possible.
Obviously, everyone has different methods to this madness. Figure out what your plan is and go with it.
Heather
In the end, the only true necessity on the tire is to nail a qualifying lap. With the times of last year, I am confident I can be within qualifying times on a fair DOT tire. The slicks I've been on from bridgestone are absolutely incredible. I belive I can drop a bit more time on them still.
I understand about the consistency, but let's face it. I'm not out to win anything here. I'm out to qualify and run a race with a level of competition I have never experienced before. I don't think I'm gonna 'hang' with anyone but those I would normally run with at Road A.
2 practices, 1 qualifying 1 race.
I could probably get by with 2 sets. Comfortably with 3 rears & 2 fronts. Best case 3 sets.
The budget for this stuff gets absolutely insane, and tires is the biggest part of it. 3 sets of slicks is $1000. That's a hell of a chunk of change.
I've never run an AMA race because the whole price package was too high to consider with a CCS season. The last 2 years I've REALLY regretted not running it.
Hey Jeff,
FYI, it's 110% this year for qualifying. The past two years have been 112%.
Also, your stuff shipped out yesturday. Enjoy! ;)
Heather
Jeff, you will also get a practice inbetween qualifying and race.
Egdar, you are correct. you don't have to race AMA in order to have an opinion. Anybody and everybody can have opinions. The critical factor and what distinguishes one opinion from another is the experience associated with them. A well informed opinion based on experience allways will have more credibility and generally be more accurate.
As far as Feuersthaler is concerned. No doubt Andy went through tires. Again he had a tire deal and was also a front runner and was able to take advantage of the tire being new. Bid difference between what we are discussing here for Jeff.
Unless a rider can use 100% of what a tire is giving it is simply a waste of money to go through 5 sets for one AMA race. The tire will remain consistent enough for most and times will not suffer from it.
Tell Stumpy thanks for the stickers. Looking forward to them.
Anybody know times for the FX qualifying last year? I know the race was wet, so the times were low. I just wanna see if will qualify with a 2:32...
QuoteTell Stumpy thanks for the stickers. Looking forward to them.
Anybody know times for the FX qualifying last year? I know the race was wet, so the times were low. I just wanna see if will qualify with a 2:32...
Duhamal qualified with a 2:17.952 last year. I think you'll need at least a 2:30 this year. I'd like to think that the fastest time will drop 1 second this year, unless the weather plays a role.
Heather
2:32 ??? good luck on that one Jeff
Quote2:32 ??? good luck on that one Jeff
Good luck on what? Running one or qualifying with one... I know I can run them... But if I need a 2:30 or better to qualify, well... We shall see what I can turn in a couple weeks here...
Jeff, keep in mind that the practices are at least 40-50 min long. So, 3 practice sessions, 1 qualifying, and 1 race. Plus, promotor practice if they have it and you choose to attend.
You know how long your tires last. Just do the math and do what you are comfortable with. No big deal. I just said you may need more than three sets based on my experience of throwing tires on Knuppy's and Hanson's bike for an AMA season. No, scratch that. That was a hallucination caused by the crack. ;D
To be fair, they did have tires that were not used up and could be run during other practices, etc. I guess they were on 1000's too.
Thingy,
You could not race your way out of a McPlay land.
QuoteThingy,
You could not race your way out of a McPlay land.
This from a guy whose portly ass hasn't been on a bike in what? 2 years now? :-*
And Bill, Baker KNOWS McPlay Lands... ;D
Who let Baker out? ;D ;D ;D
Jeff, expect that the pole time will be faster this year. Tire technology changes for the factory guys as it does for us. And if it rains, the factory guys will still be way fast.
Tires...you're gonna have to work the set up. Newer tires are going to allow you to do that. Still, you've got to be in your budget. Sit down, plan it out. You'll be fine.
There is the promoter practice. Tires for that? It's a whole day of practice. You can start with an old set, but think about having a set for that too. Weather will, theoretically, be better in June compared to April.
QuoteTell Stumpy thanks for the stickers. Looking forward to them.
Anybody know times for the FX qualifying last year? I know the race was wet, so the times were low. I just wanna see if will qualify with a 2:32...
Jeff - Last year I qualified in Supersport with a 2:29 and change I was 30th on the grid out of 40(I think 40)...??? The cut off time in Supersport was 2:36...Tommy Hayden was on pole at 2:19...Now that was with the 112% rule so factor in the 110% and how it was mentioned earlier that the pole time will be faster(a given) you can kind of compare your times in a few weeks to what you think you will need to be doing...Although like Dave said it will be warmer in June..... I will be runnnig Road America's AMA - but I don't know what class - I would like to be able to run both FX and SS but I only have the one bike for this year.....I was leaning toward SS but if your gonna be in FX - I may just have to change plans.........An AMA race is an experience that you can't have every weekend at Blackhawk - It is good to be able to see where you really stack-up every now and then....
jeff i would start with a new set of tires for practice, a new set for qualifing and a new set for the race
remember that your practice times are what determines what qualifing group your in, so practice is important in ama unlike ccs
my math tells me we need to do something less than 2.30
Really the qualifying group is irrelevent as I will most certainly be in the 'slow' group regardless of how smoking fast I run.
I would run Supersport or Superstock, but my bike doesn't qualify anymore... (how hard are they through tech?)
So the concern now is that if I stand no chance in hell at qualifying, I guess it makes no sense to drop the $$$$
isnt it worth a try
Quoteisnt it worth a try
That's the question I'm asking myself right now...
AHHHHHHHHH, Rozno is back. Now we can have all our questions answered. :D
Jeff, yes it has been 2 years. Didnt really think about it. Maybe you will see the Baker leathers at RA, just to have some fun. Mcplay land, Not. I actully work out more now than I did when I was racing. Its crazy how much time you have when you are not racing. ;D
QuoteJeff, yes it has been 2 years. Didnt really think about it. Maybe you will see the Baker leathers at RA, just to have some fun.
No way! That'd be cool... Would be good to see you back out again.
QuoteMcplay land, Not. I actully work out more now than I did when I was racing.
Yeah, but we're still gonna call you fat. It's just what we do.
QuoteIts crazy how much time you have when you are not racing. ;D
and money...
QuoteI would run Supersport or Superstock, but my bike doesn't qualify anymore...
Do I hear a Cheater bike?
Quote(how hard are they through tech?)
In the Supersport Class last year I got a red card(Do not pass go, do not collect $200) @ tech for having a Vortex Gas Cap...I had to go back to my trailer and put the stock cap assy on or otherwise they would not let me on the track..I also remember a couple years back - Purk was trying to get through tech with his 02'R6 and he didn't have those plastic frame in-lays mounted in the frame - they gave him a hard time....Now I know that in SS the bikes are supposed to look showroom stock - but I have no Idea with FX as I haven't run it before....
QuoteSo the concern now is that if I stand no chance in hell at qualifying, I guess it makes no sense to drop the $$$$
I disagree - It is a big eye opener to see what the competition is like at that level - And who knows - you may just suprise yourself.....And on top of that won't you be pissed you didn't try????
Wow... I didn't realize they were THAT strict... There's no way I'd pass... No OEM wiring harness, no OEM gas cap, no OEM throttle, ignition switch, etc etc...
FX won't be a problem.
Pissed? Disappointed in myself would be more the case... I think I'm going to give it a go. Worst case, I pay a lot to have some really cool track time and watch the races from _ANYWHERE_ I choose... :)
Tech can be different every time, depends on which inspector you get.
Some guys get so anal you can't even use certain exhaust systems because they don't sponsor the series.
Other guys get through with milled rotors, aftermarket master cylinders, etc.
A bud of mine failed tech for 600ss because he didn't have the front sprocket covered required for his bike.
Its all a crap shoot.
QuoteThingy,
You could not race your way out of a McPlay land.
You don't have to remind me. Jeez. :)
I love ya thingy, see you at RA.
Baker
QuoteI love ya thingy, see you at RA.
Baker
Sweet, you got the tab for Schwartzezzezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
QuoteWorst case, I pay a lot to have some really cool track time and watch the races from _ANYWHERE_ I choose... :)
What's the total $$$ outlay in fees to the AMA for the classes run, paddock fee, and all that? Before you buy tires, etc.....
Pre entry is 175 per class. 250 post entry. You've got the crew info. Then there's the charges that the track might hit you with...camping, etc. Varies track to track.
You still up for it, Todd?
license $275
Entry $200 (pre-entry fee per the current form on the ama website)
Camping $75 (I think)
Guest passes $180? Guessing $90 each
QuotePre entry is 175 per class. 250 post entry. You've got the crew info. Then there's the charges that the track might hit you with...camping, etc. Varies track to track.
You still up for it, Todd?
R America? You bet. Vacation approved for Wed.-Mon.. I don't think my RC is ready for SS though. ;D
Quotelicense $275
Entry $200 (pre-entry fee per the current form on the ama website)
Camping $75 (I think)
Guest passes $180? Guessing $90 each
So, about $700 for you and 2 crew in fees for one class. Hmmm. Thanks Jeff. I have to stop typing and get to Alexa's!! I'm late :o
QuotePre entry is 175 per class. 250 post entry. You've got the crew info. Then there's the charges that the track might hit you with...camping, etc. Varies track to track.
You still up for it, Todd?
PM'd on that Dave...