Just checked it out, the weekend schedule is up and looks like were only doing 7 lap sprints. Team challenge on Sunday-78 laps... Looks like a full schedule on Saturday and Sunday. :o
as long as they run that TC in the afternoon and I'm out before it starts, it's all good!
Quoteas long as they run that TC in the afternoon and I'm out before it starts, it's all good!
No kidding... I think I'll pit over by the landing strip.
Looks like supertwins isn't combined with unlimited superbike anymore.. sweet. :D
I know that the 7 lap format had been discussed a long time ago to eliminate the confusion about where "half-way" is in the race, and also to condense the time to allow for all the races to be run.
Team challenge should be fun to watch at BFR. :D
Is that going to be the schedule for all the races at blackhawk or just the first weekend?
That's a 12% reduction in track time. I don't like it.
Less track time to figure out where half way is in a race? Let's see half of 8 is duh....4? Half of 7 is ???3.5??? What the f-ck is that about?
Fewer laps sucks ........period. I've said it every year and I'll say it again. There are way too many classes.
Too many classes with the same riders, over and over again.
Bring a new person to the track and they leave totally confused as to why the same people race in 5 different races on the same bike.
Fewer classes, longer races!
Fewer classes, longer races!
Fewer classes, longer races!
;D ;D ;D
Gordon for president!
I'm with the G-Man on this one. When I invite people to a race weekend, they are completely confused. How many times have all of us had to explain the different classes to someone, like it's second nature to us, and the other person's eyes start to glaze over?
Less classes, longer races.
Seven laps is silly. You blast off the start, and you've only got one or two laps to set up a pass, then it's over.
I really do think the shorter races make for far more desperation, which creates unsafe decisions.
Has anyone thought of the safety aspect of this?
Take a look at a TC race at RA. It's 200 miles long, 2+ hours. For all that continuous track time, the amount of crashes is far less proportionally than in a 4 lap sprint. Same goes for BHF. When we are pressed for time, the starts are more dangerous, and the laps are far more hectic.
Thank you for your support.
Hmmmm? Who do you think likes more classes and less laps? The Man!! The man collecting all our entrance fees and now with less laps, doing less maintenance on the track.
I would imagine if enough of us are together on this we could "go on strike" for certain "duplicate" classes and just not enter.
I'm a lightweight guy, so if anyone is with me to run Thunderbike, and not run Lightweight Superbike, find me at R.A. and lets organize.
QuoteHmmmm? Who do you think likes more classes and less laps? The Man!! The man collecting all our entrance fees
That is an easy arguement, but in reality, it isn't that hard for "The Man" (Kevin) to simply raise the prices of the Entry 5 Bucks per race to offset the loss of less classes...(Or whatever the cost is)
But I can tell you that I enjoy "Sprint" Races, and I don't want all my races to be 25 Min GT Races either...
I think that 7 Laps is pretty short, maybe 12-14 Lap Races...
But rather than a Certain Number of Laps, I believe it should be a time...
Let's say the "average" time at BHF is 1:20, and we want all races to be approx 15 Mins Long...So, make the races at BHF 13 Laps...Loose a few classes and make longer races...Charge a little more...I would gladly pay it...
I strongly agree that shorter lap races does increase the amount of risk racers must take to pass and move thru the field...
You also need to figure the 5 min board and cool down lap into every race. So now you're up to say 22-23 minutes per race. That is all figured in for the days schedule plus excess time for bike pick up after each race, track clean up from oil splills, red flags, etc. etc.
That is why less classes makes more sense. The typical weekend is so pressed for time it's crazy.
There doesn't need to be a class for everything with two freakin' wheels. The kicker for me is the ULWSB/SS stuff. Come on, I've said it before....what's next, a bagger class? ??? ???
Yeah, next thing you know they will have a scooter class... Oh wait, they do those now!
Quoteas long as they run that TC in the afternoon and I'm out before it starts, it's all good!
Afternoon? Yeah, it starts at noon. Theoretically, the sprints start at 2PM. Hey, at least if you have friends coming, well...might not be much to watch for sprints on Sunday...nine events...unless they just all get combined.
QuoteAfternoon? Yeah, it starts at noon. Theoretically, the sprints start at 2PM. Hey, at least if you have friends coming, well...might not be much to watch for sprints on Sunday...nine events...unless they just all get combined.
Saw that... ugh... But such is life...
Are the 7 lap sprints all weekends or only this weekend due to the inclusion of the TC race?
How much would people be willing to pay per race if we had fewer longer races? SCCA June sprints cost $275 per class (a few are $285) pre entry. Add $40 if you post enter. 13 lap races.
AMA races are longer and less expensive.
There's a way to do it, but someone just needs to do it.
Can't really compare the cost of entry fees at an AMA race and a club race. Club races do not, and never will have the crowd at an AMA National race. One would think that the race (AMA) entries are not the sole funding to pay for track rental.
CCS has to at least break even. Fewer classes with longer races will be fewer entries. The price per entry will then have to be higher.
you should enter the team challenge, cheaper, longer races = less dollars per lap