I'm installing a 2001 GSXR600 front end on my 2001 SV650. What do I use for an upper bearing? Do I have to use a diffrent race in the upper steering head?
I have never done the swap. Without seeing I can't tell you what to do.
What did you use for the lower bearing?
Is the stering stem the same diameter as the SV stem? Could it be machined to be the same as the SV stem?
I think the lower bearing is the same. I'm checking into that. The GSXR600 stem is a larger dia. I checked the part numbers of the bearings at the dealer and they're the same, but they can't be. I have the SV bearing and the hole in the middle is a smaller dia. ??? I heard it was a straight swap except for a spacer on the top of the upper lock nut. The GSXR stem is longer.
Kevin,
Have you searched the SVrider.com list? I think there may be a section on the swap there. In any case, call:
Zoran Vujasinovic
Twin Works Factory
775-786-4881
He knows all right off the top of his head and has the bearing you need, which I think he stocks since it's a special order. You won't find a part number for it.
Wish I could help more, but I don't want to risk giving bad information since I haven't done the swap myself and there is a difference between pre'96, post'96, 600 vs. 750 etc. etc.
Man. I thought you knew everything. Oh, wait. That's Dave. ;D
Zoran has the bearings you need. You can also turn down the GSXR tripples and make it work, but then you need to make a sleeve to fit the upper tripple clamp. It would be easier for you to get everything from Zoran though. He is a real good guy. Dealt with him a bunch before.
I have a lathe. :)
If the lower bearing is the same, I should be able to machine the upper part of the GSXR stem the same size as the SV's, then just make a bushing and possibly a spacer for the upper triple. Simple, no?
Call Greg he's done it.
QuoteCall Greg he's done it.
True. He's the one who told me it was a pretty straight foward swap. He overestimated my abilities. ;D
Please keep the info coming. i know someone else that plans to make the swap.
I looked into this a couple years ago. I checked my notes and they click with my recollection which is that post '96 (GSXR, tl) will mount up with a swap of the upper bearing. At that time, the bearing was available from Zoran at about $50.
Personally, I wouldn't turn anything if that's the only cost, but I know how tough it is not to play with a lathe if you have one.
I find myself welding misc. pieces of steel just for fun...Whatever turns you on and keeps you out of the bars at night! :)
The lathe idea is out. You would have to re-thread the shaft for the smaller SV lock nut. I think the bearing and race is the way to go. $55.
You'll laugh at my front wheel for this set up. It's off of a 99 TL1000. Rotor and bearing surfaces machined to the same dimensions as a 2001 GSXR600. Hey, I had it laying around from my Gixxer days. (Back when I could finish ahead of Don) ;D
Kevin, you should just buy a real race bike! ;D ;D
Go get a R6 or Gixxer 600 and come play with the rest of us...
;D
Peter at GMD Computrac in Boston makes a custom aluminum stem for the gsxr lower clamp that fits stock SV bearings. For $175 he will press out the old one and press in the new one.
Oh yeah, I forgot. You can press off the SV stem make it bigger and press it into the GSXR tripple.
You can find a lot more info at www.svrider.com
http://www.svrider.com/tips/gsxr_SRAD_forks.htm
Kevin-we used an SRAD front end, that why Greg said it was a pretty easy swap.
I hope the new forks keep you in front of me this year ;D
-Nick
QuoteKevin-we used an SRAD front end, that why Greg said it was a pretty easy swap.
I hope the new forks keep you in front of me this year ;D
-Nick
I'm going with the 2001-03 600 front end. I just want some adjustability. I'm too lazy to take the front apart everytime I need to change settings. As far as keeping ahead of you, not important. Keeping away from the 100 mph backflipping crash from hell, very important! ;D
QuoteKevin, you should just buy a real race bike! ;D ;D
Go get a R6 or Gixxer 600 and come play with the rest of us...
;D
Gateway. MWGP. Your R6, my SV. It's on!
Quit wasting your time!!!! Look at what Ed is doing with stock forks, can you match those times, how about when Janisch rode a stock fork SV? Ok the answer is NO. Like Mr. Kane we can all go out and waste $3000 and put a fancy front end on our bikes and run around bhf and do 17's. And Ed will still happily smack you on the A$$ when he goes by.
Why do you think the stock front is holding you back? I can name 6 people that can put a stock front end SV into the LOW 16/ high 15's on a stock front end :Ed, Janich,Kevin Van Egan, Doenut, Junge and Myself{when I wasn't fat and out of shape}
For all of the time and money spent saved by not putting a GSXR front end on you could go to an Advanced race school like...oh I don't know ....um..LEARNING CURVES, or maybe the clinic that Ed put on at MADISON MOTORCYCLE PERFORMANCE (had more info than you could gather with everyone on this forum combined..ok except Tommy G, but your never gonna get those even if you tickle him).
I think I'm done here!
$3000.00? You don't know me very well. I'll have about $550.00 in it when I'm done. No more taking the forks off to change rebound and compression. :P
Oh, and what I would give to run 17's at BHF!
And another thing. Using Ed Key for an example? That bike has got so much money and time invested in it..........well you just can't compare it to anything else. OK, I think I'm done.
Ed's Orgasmatron has GSXR forks! It's the Supersport bike that has stock fork externals.
QuoteEd's Orgasmatron has GSXR forks! It's the Supersport bike that has stock fork externals.
I'm talking about his supersport bike. ;D
I've got one of Zoran's bearings and I'm planning on doing the GSXR swap this weekend (assuming my forks show up in time).
The bearing is a roller bearing, not loose balls which is nice, it's great quality and is only $55 shipped.
The down side is you have to file some material off the top of the neck of the bike. I don't know how much yet as I haven't installed it yet.
I wasn't talking to you :P ;D I was talking to Jason...
QuoteI'm talking about his supersport bike. ;D
Installed the bearing last night. Piece of cake! :)
Ed Key = 130 lbs and 30+ years experience
Ed Key Supersport bike 283lbs and 72+hp
Dan Kane 185 lbs 1.5 years experience
Bike 335 lbs and 81hp
Not really a good comparison Jason. Besides my 3g's was spent on all new parts, including Brembo radial master and rotors. Ed even said he was impressed with it, and Kevin was all smiles when he got off of it. ;)
My point is that track time (ie experience) is much cheaper and can do more than adding parts that will do nothing for your lap time. Can you honestly tell me that you can only do 17's with those "new" parts? And if you had a stock front end on your bike you would have been slower? If that is the case you have way more to learn than I thought. If you learn to take what you have to the limit, or at least what others in your area are doing. I did not use only Ed as a comparison. Look at what Ryan did to you all season long on a stock front end bike, with a GSXR rear shock and 75hp. He has no more experience than you. I am not trying to attack you personally, it's just you happened to write to this thread so i used you as an example. I get p1ssed when people throw money at a bike they have not learned to ride to it's potential and think that they are now going to light the world on fire of feel they can now start talking sh1t. Taking a race school, going to every practice day, or learning about how to "properly" set up a chassis and suspension, is way cheaper, and will result in quicker more gratifying track times, than any front end or motor work will ever do. :-*
Does Ed's SS bike really weight that little? :o
I remember it was 298 at Road America 2 years ago. I don't know how in the hell he could make it lighter than that, but rumor is that he has...
Oh, and it makes more than 72 hp. I believe it was somewhere around 80.
Edgar.. he uses a different bike for LWGP correct?
I think he's used both. My bike weighs 365lbs. and makes 65 HP (Factory dyno)
This swap has alot more to do with convience than performance. Setting up a stock SV front end is a pain.
As for me, this is not a normal thing for me. I am the king of riding it the way it is. I ran a 100% stock GSXR600 for 2 years. Everybody said I was stupid for not upgrading the suspension. Guess what? I had a blast and won a couple of championships to boot. Can't argue with that. ;)
While I'm upgrading my forks I also need to repair my Carb cables. Anyone know where to buy Kiehn flatslide cables?
Directly from Sudco. I have gotten some from them before:
http://www.sudco.com/