Anybody down there with a report?
I don't know much other than Jamie Hall and John Dueser had really minor crashes during practice. Both are find and have the bikes back together.
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=25157
Not sure about the races but do you have any sun block????
Kent
Yea buddy... 1st and 2nd in the team challenge.... a 125 and 250 team of riders running on R6's.
Kick ass.
Sucks if it's true...Hope it's not...
http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=104069
Heather
QuoteSucks if it's true...Hope it's not...
http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=104069
Heather
It's true...check the results.
Lame.
And here I thought this was going to be a report on how the Triumphs were doing ;D
I had plenty of time to observe everyone after a big highside out of t7 from a false neutral. Here are my observations:
DiSalvo is FAST! next level fast, wicked fast.
After that it's the EMGO guys: Barnes and May, then the Woods'... Nate Kern is crushing all his competition on a BMW.
Don't have much to report as to finishes because I'm home early (too injured to ride)... the weather was unbelievable and the track was in great shape. Oh, and the Daytona track staff still SUCK!
It appears Scott Layman who is doing quite well in the amateur races is an expert with WERA.........
What an a--hole.
Had alot of fun, finally figured out you have to gear for the speedway part of the track and learning about drafting (and being drafted..). I was often the "draftee". VERY windy one day but it was still Daytona FL and that beats a day most other places this time of year.
Considering last year this time i drove home with 2 broken 600s, this was way better. No borken motors and no broken bikes.. ;)
John Dueser was fine, just needed a footpeg and did pretty good in his races.
Afew observations : BEST : Greg it was great watching you on the M4 guy's butt during qualifications, a few more ponies on the banking abd you would have been golden
WORST : a BMW in the LW Class ???? Give Me A Break !
Maybe Nate just rode better? Or do you think it was all bike?
Melka, was nice to see your name there.
QuoteMaybe Nate just rode better? Or do you think it was all bike?
I don't know him, but at a glance, I would say that the bike probably didn't hurt at a big track like that...
Just my $.02
Jeff, you need to get out from under that rock. Nate Kern is fast. Put him on anyrthing, and he'd be smokin'.
BMW - Builds Motorcycles Weird. Heavy. Very, very heavy. If someone wanted a Gold Wing class, racing a BMW is pretty close to it.
I'm up for racing Gold Wings! Who's with me....?
You raced at Daytona, Jeff?
Okay, so I stand corrected. The bike was a complete hindrance to Nate in winning. My god what a disadvantage, to be on a 1085cc engine generating 98bhp at 7,500 rpm and 70 lb ft of torque at 5,750 rpm against a bunch of SV650's.
Yes, the thing touches 500# ready to race, but it's got the motor to push it.
I didn't say that Nate wasn't fast. I specifically said:
at a glance, I would say that the bike probably didn't hurt
Is there something incorrect in that statement?
QuoteYou raced at Daytona, Jeff?
WTF is up your skirt today baker?
Jeff H., The M4 guy was not Barnes or May but it was one of the highlights of my weekend for sure.
Super D., one of these times im gonna meetcha.. :)
Nate Kern had his bike under my canopy on pit road for the ASRA races, someone paid like $8,000 to ship it from overseas just in time for the race.. I bet there were a few Buel guys pissed cause Buel pays $$$ for win.s
If Buells can run LW, I don't see a problem with a BMW boxer.
Well, I could, but that would be boring.
A good SV is, what 75HP and 380#?
You're figuring 98HP and 500#?
Does ground clearance count? I've seen Nate ride the BMW's.
Enter the class an protest it. Or talk to Kevin Elliott.
No class is absolutely equal.
The BMW that Nate rode is certainly not a middleweight bike. If it isn't, then it's a lightweight bike. It's not a GP bike for sure.
What's your idea?
Quoteat a glance, I would say that the bike probably didn't hurt
Is there something incorrect in that statement?
No, it's completely correct.
Nate would not have won had he not had a bike to ride.
QuoteJeff H., The M4 guy was not Barnes or May but it was one of the highlights of my weekend for sure.
Super D., one of these times im gonna meetcha.. :)
LOL!
:-*
Might be at Road Atlanta for the AMA thing.
M4 guy...Shae? Did he wad?
I have no desire to protest anything, nor make any political statements.
I merely made a comment on a post. And since you agree that it is correct, we'll leave it at that. :-*
Guess which dog is Super Dave.... ;D ;D ;D
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Not saying he's insecure..... (I've seen him in a bikini)
He just tends to dominate the conversation....
;)
ROTFLMAO!!! :D
I'm not sure how it's a political statement.
On any given Sunday, some bikes will run better than others. And, in spite of that, some crappy bikes will still win because of good riders, or maybe good days.
I'm pulling out the BS meter because I'm hearing some baggin' on Nate Kern's accomplishment. The bike is completely within the rules.
Are you gonna have the balls to actually tell N8 what you think if what they accomplished?
LOL! Don't get me started.
QuoteI'm pulling out the BS meter because I'm hearing some baggin' on Nate Kern's accomplishment. The bike is completely within the rules.
Damn Dave, chill out.
Ed's bike is within the rules too, but it does have an advatange over the other SV's out there. None of us would take anything away from any win that Ed has accomplished but we realise that it is the bike and the rider together that will accomplish the win. Hence Nate road well and....
Quoteat a glance, I would say that the bike probably didn't hurt
Dawn
Dave i agree with you. The BMW is a LW bike and Nate is a very talented rider. Hey its not like the BMW can't be beat! Wasn't last year at the ROC Ed Key cleaned house on his SV. With the BMW's weight and HP i'm sure it tops out around some Buells and SV Superbikes. I know my SV is putting out 85HP at I think 320 lbs.
QuoteLOL!
:-*
Might be at Road Atlanta for the AMA thing.
M4 guy...Shae? Did he wad?
Not that i know of, that was the rider Jeff H. (Berzerker) was refering to that i was all over during qualifying..
QuoteI'm pulling out the BS meter because I'm hearing some baggin' on Nate Kern's accomplishment. The bike is completely within the rules.
Well I'm assuming this is addressed to me. Dave, I can't for the life of me understand how you could come to that interpretation. It was not in the slightest way what I had intended.
There's no 'baggin on Nate Kern's accomplishment' whatsoever. It would be like me saying that a 636R "wouldn't hurt" in a middleweight race (despite it being a kawasaki..).
Why the hell would I bag on someone I don't know?
Whatever though man... I'll come out from under my rock when you put on a set of glasses and stop seeing things as warped as you seem to.
QuoteAre you gonna have the balls to actually tell N8 what you think if what they accomplished?
Absolutely!
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Send him on over. I'll be glad to tell him congratulations and chat more with him on the BMW he rode against the others. Perhaps he'd enjoy the opportunity to actually tell me a bit about it instead of flipping the hell out.
QuoteI'm up for racing Gold Wings! Who's with me....?
i'll come play with you Rob. ;)
But I get to choose the weapon: Vespas at Road America, 2 laps, the one who stops laughing first, loses!
Oh...and go get dressed! :o :o :o :o ;) ;D
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umm yeah so whats up with this??
QuoteI don't know him, but at a glance, I would say that the bike probably didn't hurt at a big track like that...
Just my $.02
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At Daytona ROC, I finished 3rd in LW Supersport with my Buell XB12R. Ed Key won with his Suzuki SV, followed closely by Nate on his Bimmer. I held off Dave White on his Ducati DS 1000 and there was another SV close behind him. Top four finishers on four vastly different LW class motorcycles. Sounds like a good rule package to me.
Every bike has it's strengths and weaknesses. But Nate rides the wheels off his BMW. He's a great rider and does his best to work the strengths of his bike while dealing with the weaknesses, just like the rest of us. Hats off to him on a fantastic weekend.
I got my money on Alexa..
;D
Quotei'll come play with you Rob. ;)
But I get to choose the weapon: Vespas at Road America, 2 laps, the one who stops laughing first, loses!
Oh...and go get dressed! :o :o :o :o ;) ;D
Yea, Kern definitely has skills... if I remember, he also rode his BMW in some middleweight and heavyweight races last year and did fairly well.. considering he was riding against 600, 750 & 1K 4 strokes and twins, I'd say very well.
I'm sure that no one could just get on that bike and keep up with 600s or even 750s.
QuoteJeff, you need to get out from under that rock. Nate Kern is fast. Put him on anyrthing, and he'd be smokin'.
BMW - Builds Motorcycles Weird. Heavy. Very, very heavy. If someone wanted a Gold Wing class, racing a BMW is pretty close to it.
I can tell you first hand it isn't just the bike. While we were in different classes I got to watch him in his races. That thing handles like crap! It looked as if he fought it all through the infield... I don't care how much HP he had, he rode the nuts off that thing.
CCS Racer Scott Layman Disqualified From Daytona Results
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=25183
QuoteCCS Racer Scott Layman Disqualified From Daytona Results
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=25183
After reading the roadracing article i have 1 question im a new racer so it may be a dump queston but here goes.
why would someone want to petition to stay an am/nov rather than moving up to ex. i myself and fully planing on being on the bump up list come Nov and i want to be an ex in 2007 please fill me in maybe im missing something
SD, NAte is a OUTSTANDING racer on a bloated (sorry NAte) 60 inch wheelbase "SPort Tourer", but the performance (pure HP)difference between the BMW and the other LW bikes was worlds apart, the BMW just blew everyone one away... I think that I might be able to get a 10 top in a LW Class if I rode A BMW if I could only figure out how to get my 45 + year old fat ass, stomach and hips into a set of decent leathers ;)
I did "circulate" the the track for the F40 and the LW SS and came to realization that I was 15hp short and 50lbs to heavy to have a go at it on the SV as for the GSXR in F40, the extra 50 lbs did not help and the fact that I left my balls at the house compounded the weekend..... but I never care where I finish, the point is that participated, spent buckets of cash to support our sport, had a absolute blast with everyone, saw excellent racing from many forum memebers and cant wait for the next 15 years of CCS at Daytona !
but did you see MELKA ? I dont care if Greg said it was a "B" racer for M4 that's not the point...... :o
Quote??
So what do you want from me?
I said
I don't know him, so I had nothing to base a comment on his abilities.
I also said
at a glance which any reasonable English speaking person on the planet would interpret as: "I am not an expert in the field of the comment I am about to make", or "without knowing further facts".
I then made a statement of
the bike probably didn't hurt at a big track like that... Now, I have NOT raced Daytona. I've been there a handful of times, but have never raced it. I have, however, raced enough and do have enough knowledge to make a determination that DIS is a track which can favor a racer on a bike with higher horsepower. If my determination is wrong, please elaborate on how it is, and perhaps I can learn something.
and I wrapped it up with a closing that my words were
Just my $.02 which, again, any reasonable person would understand to be indicitive of a comment which could be read and discarded.
I can't pick it apart or explain it any further unless I break out some paper and crayons.
Why do you choose my post to tear apart and scrutinize? Why not strike up the conversation with BERZERKER who made the original comment on the BMW, and further made comment that Nate "ran away" from everyone. Oh yeah, he was THERE. Were you?
Hey gang, I have read this for a day or so now... Its a black and white issue here. the bike weighed in dry at 450, dynoed at 88 hp. end of story. the Buells that finished 2nd and 3rd in the national Thunderbike, 380lbs/109 hp.
If anyone thinks the Beemer has an advantage at any track, you can ride my "A" bike and I will ride a stock SV, then we will see how much of an advantage you dont have. The bike is the true definition of "dont judge a book by its cover", it handles better thanit look sbasically. If your not going ten tenths all th etime, and or if you make a single mistake, you cannot make up fo rthe mistake. You have to have a flawless race. the bike just does things better than what peope think, but it does fall flat on its face on the banking. You just have to ride the wheels off of it on the infield, and not be afraid to drift both ends entering the chicane.
Good job to everyone at daytona this past weekend and I look forward to the rest of the season.
N8!
Thanks for weighing in Nate (no pun intended). And congratulations on a hell of a win.
lol, none ever taken! I just do what I do and try to prove that BMW is no slouch. What I learned in Europe is the major reason why I can show the bikes potential.
N8!
QuoteWhat I learned in Europe is the major reason why I can show the bikes potential.
N8!
I KNEW an accent was key to success!!! damn... :P ;D
N8 --
Did I see you in the BMW cup once or twice? In Catalunya, maybe?
Nate
Valencia, Mugello, Donnington, Sachsenring, Le Mans, Brno, Assen, and one more, damn I cant think of it...
The Boxer Cup was a support class for Moto GP in Europe. Priceless.
N8!
I saw you in Valencia, then. The Boxer Cup is amazing to watch -- phenomenal what those bikes can do. Slide, slide, slide.
I can't remember if it was Valencia or Catalunya where I saw a guy lowside in BMW Cup -- the Beemer ended up spinning around and around on its cylinder head in the middle of the track while all the corner workers were trying to figure out how to hit the kill switch without getting run over. Now THAT was wild.
QuoteHey gang, I have read this for a day or so now... Its a black and white issue here. the bike weighed in dry at 450, dynoed at 88 hp. end of story. the Buells that finished 2nd and 3rd in the national Thunderbike, 380lbs/109 hp.
N8!
Thats lighter than the D model ZX-6 I broke my Cherry on back in the day.... and more HP.
If that was tru I'd be winning
:) ;)
QuoteI KNEW an accent was key to success!!! damn... :P ;D
Quotethe Buells that finished 2nd and 3rd in the national Thunderbike, 380lbs/109 hp
380\109 = 3.486 pounds per hp. I thought the power to weight ratio was 4.0 pounds per hp. If those numbers are accurate and it was an ASRA national race, 2nd and 3rd place should have been disqualified.
Guy
maybe it wasnt 109 on the FUSA dyno... thats off what... 13%? that would put it right at 4.00ish