Are there any races in CCS that pay out money still?
I heard something that the GT races doen't pay out money anymore. True or False?
RTFM dude!
GT does not pay out anymore... IIRC the only paying class is ULGP.
When in doubt, consult the rule book...
Whats this RTFM and IIRC ???
I think thats BullSh*t. How in the heck can they not have races that payout? Why? That keeps a lot of people going during the race season. If I hadn't won money in a couple GT races I wouldn't have been able to race as many races as I had last year.
Where is all the money going?
Why can't they pay anyting out?
If you go down and do a flat track race with Stevenaceracing and podium they pay you rite on the spot, CASH!
Ummm... They can do it for several reasons.
1. They own the business
2. They dropped the high charges in the purse classes when they removed the purse
All the money is going into Kevin's mansion and new Mercedes. Get real man... There isn't "all this money" involved here. Purse classes were money losers for CCS. At best, they would break even.
With dropping the purse and dropping the entry fees, more people can and WILL run those classes which will make more people happy.
There is no real money to be made in racing at the club level. If you can make bank by running flat track, knock yourself out...
You're comparing apples to tennis shoes. Flat track doesn't have a fraction of the overhead that roadracing does for the organization OR the competitor.
Kevin Elloitt is now runnng CCS/ASRA without the backing of Clearchannel. It's basically a brand new business. He's taking a huge personal risk with this.
Also, Kevin is honoring certificates issued by Clearchannel, which total something like 90K. Clearchannel has told him not to do this, but in the interest of happy racers, he is going to honor them anyhow. However, I believe you can only use certs for race entries, and they are not valid in the satellite series, only the ones run by KE.
Perhaps in the future there will be more purse paying classes, but really, unless there's more sponsorship $$, I don't see this happening.
QuoteWhats this RTFM and IIRC ???
Start with STFW:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=stfw
Then move up to RTFM:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=rtfm
and alas IIRC:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=iirc
(which actually is the 3rd result)
This is why I asked the question. I am just a guy who likes to come out and race his motorcycle. I am not in tune with the inside business management of what KE does.
At first when I heard about this I was kind of shocked and p*ssed off.
You can't argue that a little extra money is both gratifying and helps with a little poor privateer like me. Compensation for winning or podiuming a race is very nice. Especially when you can throw that money rite at a couple more races.
The reasoning you both explained sounds logical and I appreiciate your respones.
The extra money IS gratifying and does help, but I'd rather have a guaranteed 100% positive reduced rate that I can count on for a race over a potential kickback which might be enough to cover the entry fee difference for the next 2-3 races where I won't place high enough.
I'm personally thrilled because now I can run classes which I wouldn't normally run simply due to the extra $35.
So? did you STFW?
QuoteSo? did you STFW?
Yea, I searched the web, and you are all over it! ;D
So tell me Jeff, next time I have a question about motorcyle racing, would you prefer that I don't ask the question on racemotorcycles.com? Instead I should search the F*cking Web and not discuss it here?
Is that what you would like me to do?
WOW no sh1t.. no more 70 for the GT races? Hell, yea, I like that. Maybe I should read the new rulebook. :)
Thanks for opening my eyes here guys.
QuoteYea, I searched the web, and you are all over it! ;D
Oh, so I see you search THOSE types of sites...
QuoteSo tell me Jeff, next time I have a question about motorcyle racing, would you prefer that I don't ask the question on racemotorcycles.com? Instead I should search the F*cking Web and not discuss it here?
Is that what you would like me to do?
Well, you can do what you please. But when the hard facts of the information are available directly from the source (www.ccsracing.com), as well as in multiple mailings which every registered racer should have received, you can expect to get a bit of ribbing about questioning it.
The STFW comment was in relation to the question of "what is RTFM"...
BUMP, RTFQ. :)
Nick...post questions.
If no one replies, well, they don't have the answers. Jeff, if you don't want to reply with help, STFU. ;D
Money...
Nick, the gig you're getting money on the spot was that indoor series?
Several real different things there.
First, look at the size of the facility. How much does each cost to rent? Blackhawk had to drop $200k in legal fees to make sure that they could continue making noise at the track. $500k for repaving. IDRN and IEPA crawled up their butt, and now they are a licensed "used tire depot" and they have to maintain an inventory count that will be checked. Additionally, those 18,000 tires have to be bagged because of the "West Nile" hazzard.
Second, spectators.
I raced indoor races years ago and there were always good turn outs for those...even in Salina, KS.
I think it blows that there is no pay out. Yeah, it doesn't cost much, but the motivation for some pay back has often resulted in really great racing, which brings in spectators, which creates revenue for the track or the organization. Additionally, that can create a better audience base for your program and it's sponsors.
If you don't have those things in place, hey, we could just do track days.
Yes it is indoor in the winter. Stevenaceracing.com
I am not a fast enough flat track racer to podium against all the kids (and they ain't all boys) but I do know they pay cash for podium finishes in a lot of Steves events.
And thats the thing Dave, you hit it rite on the head, the money won in a Pot race is!
MOTIVATION! GRATIFICATION! COMPENSATING!
It helps out a lot for guys that live track weekend to track weekend money wise. Helps with entering more races, buying parts, gate fees, tires, racing! FOOD!
It's cool that the GT races are cheaper now, but will the competition be the same now that there isn't that money to race for?
SUCKS! Racing for the cash is cool! We need that back!
If racing for cash is cool, I typically pit right by pit out. Drop off $35 with me, and anyone else who wants to participate can do the same, and then come back to collect based on your finish.
If it economically made sense to do, CCS would be doing it. The points that Dave makes are not entirely true in reality. If they were, ASRA would be a goldmine and rival the AMA (which still really lacks in attendance from an audience side).
Watch the GT races. The competition will be far better for the simple fact that people did not race them because they were an extra $35.
It's not a big deal to pay an extra 35 bucks if you know you can win or podium and get that and more money back ::)
The guys that didn't want to pay the extra 35 bucks obviously didn't think they could podium, otherwhise they would have paid the extra money.
Whats with all the cockeyness around here lately
Obviously my repley was sensord but Jeff why are you so hard on people lately Ive been lurking around for a couple of months now and it seems when someone has a ligitmite question on racing between you and some others, I wont say any names, some people are all over there a$$ about it this last time I checked is a motorcycle racing board isnt it for Q&A?????? If some of you are..... Never mind Ill just leave it alone.
Nah. sorry Jeremy. It's all in fun. I'll tone my responses down. They're not done with negative intent, but I can see that they are coming across that way.
Grasshopper, you are correct on the "pay it if you know you can win it". My point is that this narrows the field a lot. And which would you rather have, a race with 5 people all fighting hard for a purse, or a race with 20 people all fighting hard for a hunk of wood?
And truth be told Jeremy, I've come off like a baker here lately because I've been in an ill frame of mind and it's easy to rip on someone here than lash out in my personal life.
I'll be nice... :-*
The only purse races at club level events should be sponsored classes where the purse is paid by the class sponsor. It is really not good for the growth of the sport to have racers paying other racers.
Advice I was given and have given to others. Do not expect/count on any purse money to pay for amateur racing. You should budget for and expect to pay for everything out of pocket. Doing so will not get you into financial hardship. If you overspend then your season ends early.
QuoteIf it economically made sense to do, CCS would be doing it. The points that Dave makes are not entirely true in reality. If they were, ASRA would be a goldmine and rival the AMA (which still really lacks in attendance from an audience side).
Watch the GT races. The competition will be far better for the simple fact that people did not race them because they were an extra $35.
FUSA didn't pay squat recently. ASRA will have a similar feature.
When VoiceEclipse put up money for some races, the racing was outstanding. I pushed and worked harder, and I know the guys I was racing against did the same.
Wood...I'm sorry, keep it.
GT races for $35...that's just an extra practice session now. Maybe CCS will add five more classes during the weekend and eliminate a round of practice where one would feel it was necessary to enter a GT class for practice.
CCS's origin was in paying purses to Experts. In a previous era of AMA racing, the guys that were racing for the top positions were all guys that followed club racing contingency events...money. Fighting to get that extra cash can light a fire under some. There were some world champions developed under that system. Polen, Russell, Schwantz. Others too that weren't world champions, but certainly, you would recognize them.
Don't ask me... I'm just happy to race.
(and okay, nobody did ask me...)
hey jeff iam cocernd that i might lose my badguy image to u thats all ;D ;D ;D just ask tshort iam the tony stewart of ccs ::)
LOL!
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Wood...I'm sorry, keep it.
GT races for $35...that's just an extra practice session now. Maybe CCS will add five more classes during the weekend and eliminate a round of practice where one would feel it was necessary to enter a GT class for practice.
OR just drop the saturday races completely! Make Sat a practice day and Sun all the races! (Aren`t some weekends that way anyway?)
Just for the fun of it Iam painting my bike like a home depot nascar just to be me.......AN A$$HOLE I dont want anyone to forget how hot temperd and off the handle I am , I was good for one season and like Tony Stewart Ill just go back to my ol ways this year ;D ;D ;D ;D
PS Kevin can I change my # too 20