Here is a scammer from E Bay;
Moises Bazan
20035 VanOwen St.
Canoga Park, CA EBay ID: moytoys
His angle works like this. Purchases from you and pays through PayPal. He will then claim you never shipped auction item, fills out PayPal complaint full of lies, and then PayPal automatically pulls payment OUT of YOUR account. The burden of proof is on the seller. If you mail your "item sold" without Tracking or signature verification you are literally screwed out of your product and the money received for it.
Seems PayPal is REALLY fast to take the words of buyers as truth. This guy claims he e-mailed me ..."at least six times." I had never heard a peep from the guy. He buys A LOT of motorcycle parts. SELLER BEWARE with this guy.
Now, back to the regularly scheduled classifieds buy/sell format... :)
One reason I wont use paypal.
Did you report this to flea-bay? How about his local police? It is fraud.
Did you ship UPS? All UPS shipments have a tracking number.
QuoteOne reason I wont use paypal.
Did you report this to flea-bay? How about his local police? It is fraud.
I've never had problems with PayPal .. and I use it for both buying & selling (on eBay and off). You just gotta be careful. Read the comments about users before you complete any transaction.
QuoteDid you ship UPS? All UPS shipments have a tracking number.
I shipped FedEx who also use tracking #s. The dispute was settled through PayPal when my tracking numbers revealed the package to have been delivered BEFORE he filed the complaint. We got our $120 back from PayPal. However, had I not had a tracking # this scumbag was going to get to keep the tires and his money!?
I have heard of lots of people who stopped using PayPal for just this reason, but I did not know the details of the angle used by those looking to defraud me of said Dunlops. (Just thought I'd share the angle of the dangle to keep some smart money in everybodies pockets.)
Todd, a couple years ago some guy lost THOUSANDS in a transaction just like this. Paypal immediately took whatever funds he had in his account. THey effectively cleaned his checking account out and he ended up bouncing cheques. After fighting with them they finally agreed he was the victim and not the other guy. Still he was out the money. ALso see the shear number of complaints AGAINST paypal is pretty disturbing. I dont know if www.paypalsucks.com is still going, but theres some doozies there.
What did you sell him? I think you should describe it in detail and someone on the forum who lives near Canoga Park, CA should go have a chitty-chat with him. That kind of sh1t really torks me. A guy in CA - 'The Parts Guy' skinned me out of about $100.00. When I finally got out there, every lead I had on him turned up a dead end. I was dieing to go into his shop & raise some hell. I was out of business.
Man I wish I could type - IT was out of business (his shop).
Hey Charile,
hope all is well,
Now let me get this straight, you flew out to CA to find this dude?
Man,
Hope I never piss you off dude :)
Sorry to hear you got screwed too, I have a few epay stories, I think most of us bike folks do.
Paul
Polar-Optics
any credit card company could do this to you, the burden of proof is always on the seller, always CYA cover your a$$, if you are the buyer, always use a cc, if you are the seller, save all documentation, use anything but regular mail, almort everything else is trackable, dont ask me how i know,
always ship to the cc adress, or the verified address too
Hey Paul - All is good. Hope the same for you. No - I was in CA for work. That's why it took me three years & why he was already long gone. But I had saved all the info & been planning. Stll have it just in case.
I was just on your site looking at the Daytona pictures. Now I'm depressed (cause I wasn't there). Do you have pix from the banquette? I'm having racing withdrawals big time.
Charlie,
if you have never been on Daytona, you have to go.
EVERY MOTORCYCLE TRACK RIDER/RACER ABSOLUTELY HAS TO RIDE DAYTONA AT LEAST ONCE!!!!!
Until you go out for your 1st lap, maybe like an F40 dude I know, cruising at 8 Grand in 3rd gear and get up on the bank and realize, "SHEATTT, I'm not carrying enough speed to stay up on the bank.......
you just have to do it.
I do have a few banquet pics, unfortunetly, most didn't turn out but I'll try and post a link.
Jones'n big time with ya
Paul
Polar-Optics
http://www.paypalsucks.com/
Makes for some interesting reading. 8)
QuoteWhat did you sell him? I think you should describe it in detail and someone on the forum who lives near Canoga Park, CA should go have a chitty-chat with him. That kind of sh1t really torks me. A guy in CA - 'The Parts Guy' skinned me out of about $100.00. When I finally got out there, every lead I had on him turned up a dead end. I was dieing to go into his shop & raise some hell. I was out of business.
I sold him some Dunlop take offs- UK made 208 GP-As. I got our money back so no trips to California today. If someone in Canoga could happen to find that residence? It's probably a fake with a forwarding addy.
Lots of us have epay scam stories. I'd rather share the stories and enlighten some folks on the angles used by the scammers. Now, a day trip to a Detroit suburb to visit CC Dan and his ebay scam central... :o :o :o
ive never been a seller on ebay yet, but i have bought around 50 some items. i dont like pay pal myself and if i can i use a postal money order.
1. when they cash it i can track it to when and where and get a copy of it.
2.if they dont send the item because its a postal money order, its now mail fraud if they cash it and dont send the item. ill have to digg it up but its on the postal site all of this info. ive only had to threatn one guy about going after him for mail fraud. i sent him a link to the postal site where it said all of this and i told him he had 3 days to have the part on my door step. guess what he used next day air and suddenly i had the part.
he claimed he hadnt gotten any think from me i said bs the post office has tracked that money order and you cashed it on this day at this location.
still sometimes some people wont take anything but pay pal so i have to use it there.
Quoteive never been a seller on ebay yet, but i have bought around 50 some items. i dont like pay pal myself and if i can i use a postal money order.
1. when they cash it i can track it to when and where and get a copy of it.
2.if they dont send the item because its a postal money order, its now mail fraud if they cash it and dont send the item. ill have to digg it up but its on the postal site all of this info. ive only had to threatn one guy about going after him for mail fraud. i sent him a link to the postal site where it said all of this and i told him he had 3 days to have the part on my door step. guess what he used next day air and suddenly i had the part.
he claimed he hadnt gotten any think from me i said bs the post office has tracked that money order and you cashed it on this day at this location.
still sometimes some people wont take anything but pay pal so i have to use it there.
Thats all I'll use or accept on flea-bay. The postmaster at every post office takes mail fraud very seriously. SOmetimes they do a better job finding teh crook than the local PD does.
Canceled my pay pal account two years ago because someone accessed my "secure" account and started pulling money direct from my bank account! I caught it right away while they were still testing the system with small amounts. I got the money back from the bank and closed the pay joke account right away. I will never have a pay joke account again. They are not secure.
QuoteCanceled my pay pal account two years ago because someone accessed my "secure" account and started pulling money direct from my bank account! I caught it right away while they were still testing the system with small amounts. I got the money back from the bank and closed the pay joke account right away. I will never have a pay joke account again. They are not secure.
Thanks for the comment Gordon. I am in the middle of a different transaction per PayPal; seller said product I won is unavailable. However, I somehow paid for the transaction with PayPal, TWICE. Paying for the same auction twice with PayPal is impossible for me to do. I beleive they were testing the system as you call it.
Back to swap meets and word of mouth by (gulp) the telephone!!? Ahhh, the good old days swap and cash. ;D What a relief...