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Racing Discussion => Racing Discussion => Topic started by: spyderchick on February 02, 2006, 07:17:38 AM

Title: "Hats off" system info needed
Post by: spyderchick on February 02, 2006, 07:17:38 AM
Does anyone have the US contact info for the "Hats Off" emergency helmet removal system? I found their UK website, but I need their contact info for a fellow rider in Colorado.
Title: Re: "Hats off" system info needed
Post by: tzracer on February 02, 2006, 08:28:18 AM
Try this

http://www.hatsoff.info/hatsoff_contact.html
Title: Re: "Hats off" system info needed
Post by: Suzy on February 02, 2006, 08:32:02 AM
That's interesting, I was gonna ask you what it was about.  8)
Title: Re: "Hats off" system info needed
Post by: Super Dave on February 02, 2006, 10:30:23 AM
I wouldn't use it.

If you had an head injury, using it to take your helmet off would just make it worse.  

Nice idea, but the execution might not be right.
Title: Re: "Hats off" system info needed
Post by: MELK-MAN on February 02, 2006, 11:04:14 AM
i dunno.. looks like a perfect product. A head injury in our sport would likely be brain related from the brain hitting the inside of the skull due to sudden force, not dealing with a skull injury. Having a device that inflates to push the helmet from the top of your head, then off, is ideal. Pulling on the helmet with a cervical injury would cause more damage.
If you had a crash, SO BAD that the little pillow would further damage your skull cap and thus brain, you have bigger problems....
Title: Re: "Hats off" system info needed
Post by: tzracer on February 02, 2006, 11:21:40 AM
The product is designed to help remove the helmet in the event of a neck/spine injury. Broken skulls while wearing a helmet are quite rare. Pushing from the top of the skull is a much better idea than pulling the helmet off. They are now required in the IRL.
Title: Re: "Hats off" system info needed
Post by: spyderchick on February 02, 2006, 11:24:49 AM
Found it...for anyone wants this for future reference:

John Deagan
3715 Cuba Road
Long Grove
Il 66047
Tel: (847) 438 7142
Fax: (847) 438 8404
email: j.deagan@hatsoff.info
Title: Re: "Hats off" system info needed
Post by: dylanfan53 on February 02, 2006, 06:18:15 PM
Unfortunately, the device is worthless unless the EMS have a pump to inflate it.  I don't know about other tracks, but they don't have the pumps at Blackhawk.

I asked EMS at BHF about the device and why they aren't being supported since I'd heard about them being tested, proven and now used by some race orgs (cars, not bikes).  I got an earful about why they don't use it.  Bottom line is that they have protocols that they strictly follow and this isn't in them.  

Actually, that's not the bottom line.  The bottom line is that the country's run by lawyers but that could take an ugly twist.   :-X
Title: Re: "Hats off" system info needed
Post by: motobenco on February 03, 2006, 06:40:33 AM
What's to stop you from scewing with your friends "hats off" system. I mean, the old hit the kill switch at the starting line was funny but pumping his helmet off at the line would take the cake.
Title: Re: "Hats off" system info needed
Post by: crazyracer on February 03, 2006, 08:56:20 AM
I like it. If it's going to help on reducing neck and spinal injures. The EMS don't need that much training on the system. Don't they have to go for training any ways. If it is proven to reduce injury then won't any emergency service want to use it. What about CCS authorizing the Hats Off system. Other racing organizations approve safety systems to help reduce injury to the racer. Why not approve a system to help reduce futher injury?
Title: Re: "Hats off" system info needed
Post by: weggie_man on February 03, 2006, 07:02:31 PM
CCS cannot dictate to the medical/rescue personnel what systems they should use. I believe IRL has trheir own safety/rescue team so they can do that.

Blackhawk Farms medical personnel are a group of full time EMT's from the area that work part time for the track. They are not part of any organized association. They are good at what they do, some of the best around.  

At least that was up to this year. Rumor has it they may be replaced by an outside ambulance service.

For what it's worth I sent an email to Ray Irwin asking him not to replace the current team as they are good at their jobs and are familiar with motorcycle crashes and injuries.

As for the Hats Off system, I'm all for it if it helps prevent further serious injuries. I'll be investigating it further.
Title: Re: "Hats off" system info needed
Post by: K3 Chris Onwiler on February 04, 2006, 05:25:30 AM
I've seen the med team at Blackhawk enough times to know that they are a good bunch.   :-[  Where can I send an e-mail like yours, Gordie?
Title: Re: "Hats off" system info needed
Post by: dsb on February 04, 2006, 06:19:51 AM
I like the system... But I wonder, under what circumstances would you want the EMS to remove your helmet? Several years ago, a friend of mine broke his back in a MX crash... The _first_ thing the EMS wanted to do was take his helmet off, luckily I was there and refused to let them do it, and made them duct tape his helmet to the back board... The doctor said that removing his helmet _would_ have caused more damage... Like I said, I like the system, but if it were me, I would prefer that the Doctor use it and not EMS...
Title: Re: "Hats off" system info needed
Post by: weggie_man on February 04, 2006, 10:30:33 AM
K3 try the Blackhawk Farms web site and contact email.

As for EMT's removing helmets. I know the group at Blackhawk doesn't just indiscriminently remove helmets. Only after they have evaluated the patient and are assured removing it would not do any further damage do they remove it. Any EMT worth a damn would do that.

That's why I am pushing for BHF to keep the crew they have. These people know the ins and outs of motorcycle crashes. They have been doing this a long time and train any new people in proper procedures involving our sport.

I suggest all of you send a letter or email to Ray Irwin at Blackhawk Farms or Heartland Park and ask him to retain the current medical teams at BHF.

Raymond Irwin          
P.O. 347
Rockton, IL 61072

Raymond Irwin
P.O. Box 19228
Topeka, KS 66619