Hey, I know Kawasaki made a great ZX6R 636 and ZX6RR 600 but what are they waiting for.... Now that they have proven they can build one hell of a MW Supersport Bike why not use the technology from the 05' 636 and bore it up to a 750. Could you imagine a fuel injected 750 on the 636 chasis in HW Supersport and HW Superbike. Can you say UNREAL. I've tried to find a way to send a opinoin to KAWASAKI but they don't have a sight for CONTACT US.....
Seriously, Suzuki is kicking Kawai's #*@ because they put their 636 up against a 750. Why not put a 750 against a 750. We all know with the technology they have today it would be an awsome 750. I say Bring back the ZX7R/RR with Fuel Injection and the new chasis and suspension components and watch out sales dept. and also race fans......
Rob
How about honda and yamaha too! ::)
no 750 sbk class in wsb or ama
But suzuki still sells all theirs!
Probably because Suzuki kept theirs current. The ZX7 was getting very long in the tooth when Kawi ended production. Honda just had the homologation special RC30/45 unless you count the VFR. Same story with the R7, though the YZF750 did exist, I don't know that it was widely raced.
The only other factory that really had a widely available 750 recently was Kawasaki. I think if they'd continued development, they'd still be selling in similar numbers to the GSXR. It needed a complete revamp ala the ZX6 & 10 though. I'm guessing Kawi just didn't see a return in that investment and decided to punch to 636 instead.
I too hope the ZX7 makes a comeback, but the others weren't really in the marketplace.
QuoteThe only other factory that really had a widely available 750 recently was Kawasaki. I think if they'd continued development, they'd still be selling in similar numbers to the GSXR.
Even when the Suzuki GSXR750 kind of sucked, we bought them because American Suzuki consistently paid money for contingency. Started in 1986, and they haven't stopped. At times, other manufactures might have had a better bike, but because of contingency, all the pictures you'd see would be of GSXR's. And it's easy to advertise the winner of a cup race year after year when only one manufacturer is involved. It's good marketing.
YZF750 not widely raced? Yeah, it wasn't extraordinarily fast and the contingency was better on the other side.
QuoteYZF750 not widely raced? Yeah, it wasn't extraordinarily fast and the contingency was better on the other side.
No they arent extraordinarily fast, but they handle like a dream. ;D Had my YZF750 out today. 41deg and wet roads and it still was fun even with 65,000 miles on the clock. ;D
BTW Dave, did you just watch "A View to a Kill" and snag the Zorin name from that? ;D
I've been using Bond names for months...
You're the first to finally get it... ;D
You win the prize...not sure what it is yet...LOL!
QuoteYou're the first to finally get it... ;D
You win the prize...not sure what it is yet...LOL!
How about a $50,000 cheque? ;D
I really, REALLY could use it right now. ;D
QuoteHey, I know Kawasaki made a great ZX6R 636 and ZX6RR 600 but what are they waiting for.... Now that they have proven they can build one hell of a MW Supersport Bike why not use the technology from the 05' 636 and bore it up to a 750. Could you imagine a fuel injected 750 on the 636 chasis in HW Supersport and HW Superbike. Can you say UNREAL. I've tried to find a way to send a opinoin to KAWASAKI but they don't have a sight for CONTACT US.....
Seriously, Suzuki is kicking Kawai's #*@ because they put their 636 up against a 750. Why not put a 750 against a 750. We all know with the technology they have today it would be an awsome 750. I say Bring back the ZX7R/RR with Fuel Injection and the new chasis and suspension components and watch out sales dept. and also race fans......
Rob
Kawasaki is a customer of ours at work, and I deal ocaasionally with thier product development guys. It may sound silly but they are very open to ideas and opinions (all the OEM's, except Honda!). My experiience is with accessories and such, so a whole new model is a different animal, but I will see what they have to say!
QuoteI've been using Bond names for months...
You're the first to finally get it... ;D
You win the prize...not sure what it is yet...LOL!
Nah. He was just the first to comment. I had you figured at Scaramanga....
i think ridge has the gist of it. too much $$ to develop a new model for club racers. Get Rossi to ask for one, or if Moto Gp goes down to an 800cc format than it may be feasible to use a 750 streetbike as a marketing platform for the technology and begin to eliminate the 1000's. But development of 3 seperate lines in taxing in R+D money.
GSXR seems to do well basing 3 different bikes on the same basic platform....
When technology advanced to the level where literbikes became legitimate top level racebikes the clock started ticking on the 750's demise. I think they'll always be avialable for the die-hards, but I don't expect them to ever return to racing at a top level. 600's are just too fast and 1000's just handle too well. That means that factories will be less excited about making them a priority.
Yes, I understand how the AMA and MOTO GP are using the liter bikes but, don't they realize if all manufacturers would put some technology into a 750 class bike that would open alot of doors. Racers, the Public street enthusiast, the bigger guy that is just too big for a 600 and not experienced enough to handle the 1000. They need to offer that medium range bike. Maybe it could open some doors for racers for Contingency money. Kawi offers a program. Yes, I too believe they would sell. Suzuki has been selling all their bikes 600, 750, and 1000 GSXR's. It's hard to find one at times. With the limited amount of 636's, R6's and 6ooRR's not to mention the liter bikes. When you try to go and buy one you have to travel or have it shipped from bum ville which costs extra..... I say bring them back.....
Rob
Well, Kawi and Suzuki were/are owned as the same company. Not sure where they went with this now, as I believe they may have recently been split again. So, why spend millions to develop machienery to compete with your other brand's bikes? Kawi takes the little AMA bike stuff and Suzuki takes the big stuff; they covered more ground. At least until the new Yamahas came along...
why dont they just make a 636 that dynos 130 hp?
Go to Kawasaki web site, bottom left side of page is a contact button..........
Quotethe bigger guy that is just too big for a 600...
600s are the same physical size as 1000s. If somebody is too big to sit on a 600, they're too big for a 1000 too.
Unless we're talking about the favorite squid excuse:
"I'm too big for a 600" which really means
"I can't ride and I need to make up for it on the straight bits of highway." ;D
Seriously, there are many good reasons to prefer a 750 to a 600. I just don't believe size is one of them.
Come-on racers... I know ther are lots of us that contend in the HW Supersport and HW Superbike which is limited to 775 CC 4-Cylinder Liquid Cooled. Now if you want a up to date bike with fuel injection to even think about being competitve in these classes you have Suzuki GSXR 750 (Fuel Injected) and possibly Kawasaki ZX6R 636 (Fuel Injected and money into the motor). Do you see where I'm coming from. A stock 06' GSXR 750 puts out 122 HP, A beefed up 06' ZX6R 636 puts out 117 HP, beefed up by about $3000. Who wants to have to do that. I know I don't want to have to spend an extra 3K$ just to attempt to be competitive. I truly hope Kawasaki and even the other manufacturers would bring back there 750's with todays technology. It would seriously bring the racing to a closer edge of who is the better rider. Not who has the better machine/ride (Usually someone with sponsors)
Rob
Wow, you just want a Kawi 750? There's a Suzuki 750 made by their sister company over at, ahem, Suzuki. So, build a bike, another 750, to compete with your other company's 750...
Do you run Ti sliders or toe guards? Sorry, could not resist.
Did you contact Kawi and what did they say?
QuoteCome-on racers... I know ther are lots of us that contend in the HW Supersport and HW Superbike which is limited to 775 CC 4-Cylinder Liquid Cooled. Now if you want a up to date bike with fuel injection to even think about being competitve in these classes you have Suzuki GSXR 750 (Fuel Injected) and possibly Kawasaki ZX6R 636 (Fuel Injected and money into the motor). Do you see where I'm coming from. A stock 06' GSXR 750 puts out 122 HP, A beefed up 06' ZX6R 636 puts out 117 HP, beefed up by about $3000. Who wants to have to do that. I know I don't want to have to spend an extra 3K$ just to attempt to be competitive. I truly hope Kawasaki and even the other manufacturers would bring back there 750's with todays technology. It would seriously bring the racing to a closer edge of who is the better rider. Not who has the better machine/ride (Usually someone with sponsors)
Rob
you want kawasaki to develop a new bike for about 500 customers to make the "racing" (that virturely no consumer watches) better? That sounds like a specialty built for a aftermarket builder... but then the prices will be about the same as a R7...
Suzuki sells the 750 on the street becasue sometime the 1000 is just not available, or in the cities insurance is much cheaper on a 750.
I haven't seen unit sold demographics in the last year, but I would venture to say 750's are not sold in nearly as many numbers for suzuki as the 600/1000 and they sell out because there are not competitions.
The last time I saw someone riding a 750 I instinctly said "why not get a 1000"... I just don't see the point anymore.
at club racing level, you stand to gain the different between a 600 and a 750 by just doing your every lab consistently.
I understand everyones point hey are trying to get across to me. I quess I just need to spend some money and Buy a 06' 636 because I'm a Kawasaki freak. I was just concerned with my weight that's why I look at the 750 a bit more they have the tourge under them. From what I've learned from certain racers 7lbs of bodyweight = 1 HP less in acceleration. Unfortunately I'm built like Aaron Yates. I've never been avle to get below 190.
Buy a GSXR 750, and paint it green if you must,,,, ::)
HAVE YA TRIED STACKER 2?,, sorry man, just kiddin'. i'll admit. i'm lookin for a 750 also. (less crazies in the class, usually, i think?)
QuoteHAVE YA TRIED STACKER 2?,, sorry man, just kiddin'. i'll admit. i'm lookin for a 750 also. (less crazies in the class, usually, i think?)
Well at least until I get my YZF750 race ready. ;D
Then no one will touch me.
Until they finally lap me around lap 7. ;D
No, it's not the Stacker two thing. Yes, I fit nicely on a 636 the bike is great. But as I stated earlier in a post...to be competitive against a brand new Fuel Injected GSXR-750, you need to put money into your motor. Be it Head Gasket, Milling the head, Different Cams and Degreeing the cams. Possibly lighter pistons for more rpm's, different Crank, 5-degree valve job, undercutting your transmission etc. That's alot of money just to compete with a new GZXR-750. I truly hope to see Kawasaki come back with one hell of an outstanding ZX7R/RR Fuel INjected with this same chassis they are using for the ZX6R/10R, same suspension, wheels exhaust etc. I think that would be an awsome and possibly one powerfull machine.
Rob