Because I didn't want to jack the SS thread.
How many protests have you filed? Anyone? Ever?
The only type of protests I've seen have been:
Age on Formula 40
Obvious wrong displacement (929 running in a MW class)
Scoring problems
I've personally never filed a protest. In 2002 & the start of 2003, there was a guy that we all had great belief was cheating BAD. We talked about tearing him down, but simply decided not to. I guess in the end, we didn't want to seem like a bunch of pricks because of it.
So. How many times did you WANT to tear somebody down because you strongly felt they were cheating, but you didn't. Why didn't you?
I have filed a protest in AHRMA. Was not a mechanical issue.
I have been very close to a protest in that I had first hand knowledge that I knew someone was going to get protested.
When a retalitory protest was filed, myself and another rider executed the full tear down of the rider above that filed the first protest. He got his money back from his first protest, and got the money from the rider that protested him. The resulting rebuild cost more than the protest money he received.
For me, why not...cost. Second, risk and lack of real punishment against those who have been caught.
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I had 2 protest done on me. One in 1995 on my very slow FZR 400!
The motor was in pretty bad shape but I still won the Amatuer Lightweight Supersport title after finishing 2nd Overall with the Experts. They took the bike apart down to the cylinders and basically laughed and told me to leave. Made me feel good that I rode the piss out of it! ;D
One other time in GLRRA at Elkhart Lake. I had the carbs removed and head ports looked at for inspection. That was the first motor I built back in 1997. Was redeemed supersport legal and I received I think the $150?
I've had nothing to worry about in my career for teardown. I hope someone does so I can pay of my fuel on the way home! ;D
I have never protested anyone. I get upset at some riders bikes. It's fairly easy to tell if someone has a cheater motor when they weight in 60lbs more than you and your one of the fastest guys at the track and they pass you on the straights.
I just figure out a way to beat em anyways.
At the level I'm running lately I have never had a problem with top competitors bikes being illegal anyways. I usually just blame myself for not riding hard enough.
-Farrell
QuoteI've personally never filed a protest. In 2002 & the start of 2003, there was a guy that we all had great belief was cheating BAD. We talked about tearing him down, but simply decided not to. I guess in the end, we didn't want to seem like a bunch of pricks because of it.
Same here.....
QuoteI usually just blame myself for not riding hard enough.
-Farrell
I think that's most riders idea.
But there have been some little blips on even on some fast riders that have been nailed, or things have been seen.
I have been close to asking for a tear down twice. For me, finances wouldn't allow it.
QuoteFor me, finances wouldn't allow it.
But if you're confident that you're right, you're not out of pocket for anything, so why not?
Some guy asked me to protest another rider for him once at a Gateway race, I think in '03??
I was riding in GT lights and LW SBK, and a guy comes over to our pit and offers me $50 to enter a protest against another rider (I believe it may have even been K3 when he was on the black FZR??). He of course offered to pay for any other costs that came up from the teardown...
I told him that if he had a problem with another rider or suspected him of cheating, he should bone up and make the protest himself - I had no interest in entering one for him. Great way to make friends at the track, you know, protest another rider for someone you don't even know..........
When I asked why he wouldn't just make the protest himself, he said "Well, we're both from Chicago and we're at a lot of the races together, and I didn't want to piss him off". Uh, sorry dude, I'm not your protest biotch...
No idea who it was, after taking a couple years off I doubt I'd even recognize him...
QuoteBut if you're confident that you're right, you're not out of pocket for anything, so why not?
A friend of mine was very wealthy.
He liked going out to eat. if it was on him, fine, but if he wanted to go "dutch", no.
You see, if you don't have something in your pocket to buy, protest, etc...
You have nothing "out of pocket" to start with. You get it now?
QuoteA friend of mine was very wealthy.
He liked going out to eat. if it was on him, fine, but if he wanted to go "dutch", no.
You see, if you don't have something in your pocket to buy, protest, etc...
You have nothing "out of pocket" to start with. You get it now?
I hope you at least put out when dinner was on him. Maybe if you did he wouldn't have suggested "dutch."
LOL!
I saw the insides of one cheater motor last season. Won't say who - to be honest, I don't even know if the rider himself knew. But it was pretty obvious it wasn't legal. Didn't bother to protest... not really worth it - he would've beaten me on a bike that was half the size of mine anyways.
You've got plenty of blank checks, and I'll loan you a pen...
QuoteThe only type of protests I've seen have been:
Age on Formula 40
That's pretty funny. Was the person legal?
QuoteThat's pretty funny. Was the person legal?
You never heard about the 39 1/2 rule? ;D
I was 'semi' protested back in 2003. They claimed I was running a 750 or 1k in a 600 class. They never filed the paperwork, so I ignored it.
They made their claim based upon the 1k forks, swingarm, and brakes on the 600.
I tried to make a scoring protest at LRRS last year--I was denied and then fined $100 for questioning it.
QuoteThat's pretty funny. Was the person legal?
Nope... ::)
I always take pride in pushing the rules envelope as far as I can, I also feel I build a very fast bike... which means if someone routinely dusts me on a straight there may be something fishy going on. Such was the case in my amateur year, this one guy would blow by my F2 like he was on a literbike and then park in the corners and hold everyone up. I was a broke racer with no funds for a protest, but I wouldn't have protested anyway because I'd always finish ahead of him in the end. After the season while having a few beers with the builder (who shall remain nameless) it was disclosed that the motor dyno'd @110 hp (on a CBRF2!!), had a HRC gearset, and a long list of other goodies topped off by magnesium rims cast to look identical to stock (no, I'm not kidding). All of this to finish 5th in an AM supersport race ???
If you think someone is cheating, they usually are.
QuoteYou never heard about the 39 1/2 rule? ;D
I scoured the rules... no mention of 39.5.
What's the dealio? I seem to recall K3 mentioning something about this a while ago.
Seems like it might be a good story in here somehere.
Hmmmm. Interesting comments. Is there a correlation between experts and novices? Are most of the "alleged" cheaters in the novice ranks?
Maybe there's a secret rule in the RB that the older you are the more handicap mods you get? ;D
That's a good question.
I knew a guy in Colorado that was fast. He raced AMA. This was at a time when Commonwealth Honda was the factory team. They would let one of there CBR600F2's go.
This guy bought one of them. First, it didn't get the things exactly as they were raced by the fast guy. I think he sent it down the road.
Anyway, another guy I knew from Colorado, bought a bike from the first guy and the first guy quit racing but had a shop.
Guy number two, we'll call him Dan, had this bike that he thought was legal. He was fast, and so was his brother. Anyway, the first guy sponsors another guy. If Dan beat the sponsored guy, the first guy had a list of things on the bike that was in Dan's possession to protest.
The example I used was in the amateur class. I don't know it is exclusive to amateurs, but it might be easier to get away with because of how inconsistent some faster amateurs can be week to week and track to track. That doesn't mean they all cheat, and that doesn't mean that they are all inconsistent.
people cheat?
I think a few do, but most don't. My opinion.
I have made scoring protests and visual inspection protests (class suitability).
I was going to protest an obvious cheater bike (displacement). But it blew up and the rider had to use a stock engine. He was significantly slower for the rest of the year.
QuoteWhen I asked why he wouldn't just make the protest himself, he said "Well, we're both from Chicago and we're at a lot of the races together, and I didn't want to piss him off". Uh, sorry dude, I'm not your protest biotch...
No idea who it was, after taking a couple years off I doubt I'd even recognize him...
That would have been
MIKE GANTZ, FZR560, RED AND WHITE, #54. (Keep that name in mind if he ever needs help at the track.)
Not that I hold a grudge against the spineless little weasel or anything.... He just wanted my championships. Silly boy. Should have known better than to covet what wasn't his. I shared some info with him, and he tried to use it against me. All he got out of the deal was the reputation of being a sneaky, underhanded backstabber. He sure didn't win his protest or get my championships! ;D Funny thing, he wouldn't have even been in a position to try stealing my championships if I hadn't helped him get his bike running earlier in the year at a critical race. He sure did have a funny way of thanking me!
(Gee, maybe I shouldn't have said all that. It might get back to Mike and make him mad. I guess I'll just delete this post and go on about my business....)
QuoteThat would have been MIKE GANTZ, FZR560, RED AND WHITE, #54. (Keep that name in mind if he ever needs help at the track.)
Not that I hold a grudge against the spineless little weasel or anything.... He just wanted my championships. Silly boy. Should have known better than to covet what wasn't his. I shared some info with him, and he tried to use it against me. All he got out of the deal was the reputation of being a sneaky, underhanded backstabber. He sure didn't win his protest or get my championships! ;D Funny thing, he wouldn't have even been in a position to try stealing my championships if I hadn't helped him get his bike running earlier in the year at a critical race. He sure did have a funny way of thanking me!
(Gee, maybe I shouldn't have said all that. It might get back to Mike and make him mad. I guess I'll just delete this post and go on about my business....)
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.........
QuotePeople in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.........
Bring it. Just post your name.
QuotePeople in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.........
So who do you think, Chris?
E.B. M.S. or R.S.
;D