Young Gun Program, Rider Wanted 16-25
Are you a young novice racer (16-25), who has found the expense of maintaining a competitive racebike, travel and registration fees, limit the amount of race weekends you attend?
How would you like to attend possibly 10, no less then 9 WERA
Nationals in 2006.
Lone Wolf Cycles is looking to help a young racer with promise and give them the oppurtunity to compete on the national circuit and have the support of being within a team structure.
Lone Wolf Cycles will supply:
1) 600cc racebike with spares, we will maintain the bike
2) Discounted prices on Bridgestone Tires
2a) Endurance racetire takeoffs free
3) The oppurtunity to work with Lone Wolf Cycles Endurance Team.
4) The possibility to be a backup rider for the Lone Wolf Cycles Endurance Team.
5) Tune & Testing help during events.
6)When logistically feasible, we provide transportation
There are 2 requirements:
1) $3000 lease fee
2) The rider is part of the pit crew for Endurance events.
You can email resumes/interest to Lonewolfcycles@optonline.net
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Try BennY Carlson over @ Corse 262-284-2725
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Are you recommending Benny or are you Benny?
Either way thank you I will be in contact, best time to call?
Actually , benny is an Expert rider. I think you were looking for an amatuer.
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Are you recommending Benny or are you Benny?
Either way thank you I will be in contact, best time to call?
I'm just recommending him, but as stated by 4&6 he's an expert I believe. Guy has some incredible potential-not sure if HMC resigned him for the '06 AMA Motard season or not.
QuoteYoung Gun Program, Rider Wanted 16-25
I feel discriminated against...... :'( ??? ;)
I'm young at heart, does that count?? ::)
Are you only looking for an Amatuer or would you be opposed to an AMA licensed expert? Just thought I would ask because I am trying to figure out my plans for next season and the offer sounded interesting.
I'm just over the age requirement....
Ytak
QuoteI'm just over the age requirement....
Ytak
;D ;D ;D ;D
QuoteI'm just over the age requirement....
Ytak
Can't we get you a new birth certificate or something? And a new leg... ;D ;D ;D
Scotty727..well an amateur made the most sense to me. Basically I am trying to help a rider before he gets into the usual pitfalls, spending money on the wrong things, not having enough spares and then finally no money left to race.
This oppurtunity gives a rider the chance to have a racebike, with plenty of spares, full wets always mounted on an extra set of rims, etc. He/she just needs to pay his/her entry fees to races.
We all know what it costs to have a bike race ready with loads of spares.. hmm, $10,000 conservatively.
Plus they get help from the endurance team on Sundays.
Tell me what your plans were, I will consider you. ;D
Also, the age group I put there is a guide, it is not mandatory. I just had to keep it fairly young, otherwise it would'nt be a Young Gun Program.
You have mail.
Is the program aimed toward endurance racing mostly? I have never raced an endurance race before, I have only done sprints. Can I get your email so we can talk about this in more detail?
I think most of us qualify under the "Old Musket" program...
Scotty727... the program is for Sprints, not to be confused with my endurance team.
WERA NAtionals are Fri Practice, Sat morning Practice
Sat Afternoon Endurance Race, Sunday is Sprints.
You can email me at Lonewolfcycles@optonline.net
Its unfortunate that the sport bike world things that its only target audience is a bunch of Zitfaced kids that slap hamburgers together at Micky D's.
Harley realized that its the guys in their 30's and 40's that have the money to spend (their profits show it). Its guys like me out there paying cash for a new 1k Suzuki, toyhaulers and crewcab fords to pull it all to the track.
I've turned at least a half of a dozen 30-plus year olds on to the track in the last 3 months and I can damned well gurantee that they didnt go cheap on anything. New bikes, new clip-ons, new rims, pipes...only the best.
Yet you guys want to only throw your money at young kids. Amazing...
To me age doesnt matter...only ability.
damn I just missed the cut off.... :P
QuoteIts unfortunate that the sport bike world things that its only target audience is a bunch of Zitfaced kids that slap hamburgers together at Micky D's.
Harley realized that its the guys in their 30's and 40's that have the money to spend (their profits show it). Its guys like me out there paying cash for a new 1k Suzuki, toyhaulers and crewcab fords to pull it all to the track.
I've turned at least a half of a dozen 30-plus year olds on to the track in the last 3 months and I can damned well gurantee that they didnt go cheap on anything. New bikes, new clip-ons, new rims, pipes...only the best.
Yet you guys want to only throw your money at young kids. Amazing...
To me age doesnt matter...only ability.
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Look at the titles that follow my name. See them...they are owned by a 41 year old. I've got four more in a week that will follow them.
I've got a year and half under my belt riding a sport bike and one year racing. Now ask yourself...Who's more qualified to run the bikes me (a 41 year old) or some kid that couldnt hold my bag of depends diapers?
I'm not sure you'll get a ride by countering what a potential team ride is looking for with amateur final results.
I've worked with racers from age 14 to 61.
Certainly, a younger rider has the opportunity to get faster and move on to something potentially bigger. At age 29, let alone 41, a factory team is not looking at riders with little in the way of experience...let alone very experienced 29 year olds.
I think Lone Star has the right to find the rider that fits what they are looking for. As we get older, we become more opinionated, family and business issues, etc. I can recognize what they are looking for.
Davie, the championships are yours. If you can roll it into something that is fun for you or if you can develop a program that showcases your tallents, that would be great.
Well said Dave, Thanks.. Any who I thought this was supposed to be a fun Forum where friends can communicate when we can't see each other, I kind of thought that what Mr. Stone said was uncalled for and out of line.. Age wise I fit into the catagory that Lonewolf said he was interested in, And for Stone to say that:
QuoteIts unfortunate that the sport bike world things that its only target audience is a bunch of Zitfaced kids that slap hamburgers together at Micky D's.
Harley realized that its the guys in their 30's and 40's that have the money to spend (their profits show it). Its guys like me out there paying cash for a new 1k Suzuki, toyhaulers and crewcab fords to pull it all to the track.
I've turned at least a half of a dozen 30-plus year olds on to the track in the last 3 months and I can d**ned well gurantee that they didnt go cheap on anything. New bikes, new clip-ons, new rims, pipes...only the best.
Yet you guys want to only throw your money at young kids. Amazing...
To me age doesnt matter...only ability.
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Obviously Stone isn't aware that there are some younger people in this country that work there a$$ of every year so that we can have every opportunity possible to try and catch someones eye(such as Lonewolf) in hopes of gainning support. I work about 60 hours a week so I can go to the shop and spend 10-20 hours a week working on the bike and go home and train. I spend every dime I make on racing(other than the truck payment and etc). It just sucks that there are people that can only think about themselves.... Rant off..............
QuoteI'm not sure you'll get a ride by countering what a potential team ride is looking for with amateur final results.
I've worked with racers from age 14 to 61.
Certainly, a younger rider has the opportunity to get faster and move on to something potentially bigger. At age 29, let alone 41, a factory team is not looking at riders with little in the way of experience...let alone very experienced 29 year olds.
I think Lone Star has the right to find the rider that fits what they are looking for. As we get older, we become more opinionated, family and business issues, etc. I can recognize what they are looking for.
Davie, the championships are yours. If you can roll it into something that is fun for you or if you can develop a program that showcases your tallents, that would be great.
The reality of the situation says that I will never get a team ride. I can only wish that I improve over the next year like I did this year and turn a few heads. As of the gains that I have seen over the last 6 months...I can only imagine what its going to be like in a year :)
I've had several riders that are older walk up to me and thank me for giving them the inspiration to go full out in their own program. I've also watched those same guys throw more money in one weekend at their bike than most 20 y.o. could only wish to have.
Here in the SW 90% of the riders are 30 and older. While Harley and the sportbike community are miles appart...Harley has a business model that out performs any of the other makers drastically. They have recognized that their advertising money is well spent by targeting the right market. Just think...If they had spent all their advertising dollars in the market that everyone thought was their market (ie...Young, tough crackhead biker types)...they would have failed miserably.
In short...grab yourself the fastest 30 to 40 year old and set your aims on a market that is wealthy enough to afford the products and just young enough to wanna ride. After that...Harley can have us ;D
Oh by the way Lonewolf, I tried emailing you my resume but can't get through to you.
QuoteWell said Dave, Thanks.. Any who I thought this was supposed to be a fun Forum where friends can communicate when we can't see each other, I kind of thought that what Mr. Stone said was uncalled for and out of line.. Age wise I fit into the catagory that Lonewolf said he was interested in, And for Stone to say that:
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Obviously Stone isn't aware that there are some younger people in this country that work there a$$ of every year so that we can have every opportunity possible to try and catch someones eye(such as Lonewolf) in hopes of gainning support. I work about 60 hours a week so I can go to the shop and spend 10-20 hours a week working on the bike and go home and train. I spend every dime I make on racing(other than the truck payment and etc). It just sucks that there are people that can only think about themselves.... Rant off..............
Ahhh...focused and drive! The main ingrediant to becoming successful in any give situation. Good for you! But unfortunately you are one of the few in your age group. Your missing my point...
Do me one favor....Walk out your door and look down the street. Who owns the most houses, who has the most money to spend and who's has the extra money to spend on our sport? Thats right...30 to 40 year olds.
Now ask yourself... If ya had a business and you had only one "door hanger" to advertise your business. Would ya put that door hanger on the bedroom door of young man that most likely doesnt have but a few dollars a week left over after the kegger the weekend before...or...would ya put it on the front door of the guy that owns the house that fits your target market?
Dont get me wrong...the young need to be developed. But ignoring the 30 to 40's in this area in my opinion is ignorance.
QuoteI've turned at least a half of a dozen 30-plus year olds on to the track in the last 3 months and I can damned well gurantee that they didnt go cheap on anything. New bikes, new clip-ons, new rims, pipes...only the best.
Yet you guys want to only throw your money at young kids. Amazing...
To me age doesnt matter...only ability.
Do you think that spending all that money on new bikes and pretty looking parts makes someone fast? The most expensive extremely light parts WILL MAKE YOU FLY MAN!!!!! Rider ability means nothing!!! ;) LOL!!!
Age does matter, it's like the old saying you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Don't get me wrong CCS/WERA/AHRMA is filled with fast (VERY FAST) over 30 + riders.
But a young kid is like a rubber ball, he bounces back up, takes a licking and keeps on ticking! Money well spent for a team, and takes advice easier.
An older gentleman breaks easier, bones and muscles are not as flexable. Work calls, kids, family, a house, more responsability.
Less variables when recruiting a kid, more likely the kid will give it his all with way less distractions,
QuoteAhhh...focused and drive! The main ingrediant to becoming successful in any give situation. Good for you! But unfortunately you are one of the few in your age group. Your missing my point...
Do me one favor....Walk out your door and look down the street. Who owns the most houses, who has the most money to spend and who's has the extra money to spend on our sport? Thats right...30 to 40 year olds.
Now ask yourself... If ya had a business and you had only one "door hanger" to advertise your business. Would ya put that door hanger on the bedroom door of young man that most likely doesnt have but a few dollars a week left over after the kegger the weekend before...or...would ya put it on the front door of the guy that owns the house that fits your target market?
Dont get me wrong...the young need to be developed. But ignoring the 30 to 40's in this area in my opinion is ignorance.
the point of looking for a young up and coming racer, is that the money that gets invested in them will hopefully pay off with recognition for the sponsor, and the satisfaction of helping someone develope. a 19 year old has lots of years to get faster, a 41 year old doesn't.
if the guys you brought to the track can afford to go buy the new bikes and all the bits that go with it, then they don't need the kind of support that is being offered.
jesse janish is a shining example of a very fast, young racer who didn't have the means to continue racing without some support, but had more potential than me, you and half of this board combined.
If you stop and look though, Pops has a good point here.
Neglecting the market with the disposable income is a bad idea...
I see both sides of the coin. If you take the emotion out of it and look at it from a marketing perspective, you will see it as well...
QuoteIf you stop and look though, Pops has a good point here.
Neglecting the market with the disposable income is a bad idea...
I see both sides of the coin. If you take the emotion out of it and look at it from a marketing perspective, you will see it as well...
But why would the person with the disposable income need a sponsor then?
QuoteIf you stop and look though, Pops has a good point here.
Neglecting the market with the disposable income is a bad idea...
I see both sides of the coin. If you take the emotion out of it and look at it from a marketing perspective, you will see it as well...
Jez!! Thats the first time I've been called that! I am getting old!
QuoteBut why would the person with the disposable income need a sponsor then?
Your missing the point. Reread my post from a perspective of a business that wants to maximize their advertising dollar.
Sponsors? We all need them and can use their products. I'm building a new 1K gixxer for next year and if I can save 5k doing it...its 5k that I can use to go to other regions and select AMA events later in the year.
QuoteBut why would the person with the disposable income need a sponsor then?
What's the purpose of a sponsor?
Offset costs.
What's the purpose of sponsorship?
To increase revenue through exposure.
The revenue increasing part is key. Stone's point here is that he can influence a number of people who have a good deal of money to spend.
To a sponsor, which is worth more:
1) A person who wins races but does nothing else
2) A person who does not win races, but can bring in hundreds or thousands of people who will spend money.
Obviously #2 is the greater value and bigger benefit as it increases the bottom line. Now, if you can nail both 1&2, a sponsor is REALLY doing good.
I understand the business point though of promoting a "young gun". Looking at it, Stone, you're not going to be picked up by a factory or satellite team. It's that simple. However, if positioned correctly, many "young guns" can! And at that point, the exposure to the business increases which theoretically will bring in more customers.
In 2005, I started steering away from the term "sponsorship" and started calling my clients "advertisers" because that is what they are. They are my clients, I am advertising for them. It's a business relationship.
QuoteHere in the SW 90% of the riders are 30 and older.
The club road racing market is primarily made up of a mid thirties market. Very different from the market I started racing in some time ago.
The trick becomes the investment.
Get a 23 year old to get going fast, and you could have a ten year career ahead. Try that with a 33 year old and things can change. Not that aren't motivated 33 year olds, but what are you going to teach a 33 year old? The body deteriorates with age too, so...
QuoteThey are my clients, I am advertising for them. It's a business relationship.
Bingo!
You can go racing, or you can have a program. Where do you fit?
QuoteThe club road racing market is primarily made up of a mid thirties market. Very different from the market I started racing in some time ago.
The trick becomes the investment.
Get a 23 year old to get going fast, and you could have a ten year career ahead. ....
haha, if you're sponsoring a 23 yr old and after 6 years, you're still in club racing.. time for a new rider. (if you're trying to advance them into the pros asap.)
What's the Pro racing market age?... shouldn't you work backwards from there? Invest a couple years in a kid in club racing them move to AMAs, work your way up so you're pro as young as possible so you have the most amount of time being pro/factory/etc.?
Quotehaha, if you're sponsoring a 23 yr old and after 6 years, you're still in club racing.. time for a new rider. (if you're trying to advance them into the pros asap.)
We can expand it all you want.
Yeah, really, you'd want to develop them and send them to some place "better", they quit, or they keep working with you.
AMA Pro racing has a cost. There are many "kids" out there dropping $60k to $100k to ride decent machines in the AMA. How long can a Daddy provide? Some come right back and race for contingency. Would you like to relate someone to your program or someone elses?
So, to justify what Lone Wolf is doing, if they provide a level of support that is a platform for a rider to get to someplace else...that's good. There are many examples of riders that need some reassurances of what they are doing is right and what they need to do to further themselves. Being at a particular venue may also allow them to make contacts that would further what they are doing. Certainly, I'd bet that Lone Wolf is working to make their program better. They might move on to another series.
Regardless, they should have a right to make reasonable decisions on who fits some kind of profile that they feel is useful and marketable to their sponsors and their competition program.
Wow, lots of opinions and input here since the other day! Let me address Stone first, his feeling of my project is age discriminating. First it is a program trying to help a racer with potential who does not have the funds to get a bike race ready, have all the spares you need if you don't want to be going home early after a morning practice crash, have a set of rims dedicated just for full wets in case the rain comes...then also pay for entry fees, travel costs, trailer..etc. .
It is giving a racer the oppurtunity to ride as an amateur at the national level and his costs, setup and the other time consuming parts of preperation are reduced by him not having to invest a great deal of money in a bike with all the above mentioned trimmings.
My ultimate goal is to have this rider be able to take the next step, getting picked up by a bigger team in the future. A 41 year old no matter how good he is at a regional or even national level is not going to get interest from AMA teams, unless his name is Tray Batey or Michael Barnes and others who have already been at that level and can fill in for a team in a pinch. Stone, I congratulate you on your success in 2005. But you as your self said, have the money to equip yourself for racing, so why would you want to race one of my bikes?
The rider I choose is probably someone who has raced an SV or older generation 600, that now contemplates upgrading to a more modern 600, but that will break the bank for him/her and has little money leftover to compete at 9 or 10 national weekends.
I mean how many of you know of a racer who is good, but is held back by all the expenses and you end up seeing him/her maybe at 3 or 4 events (regional) in a season?
What I am doing is saving a racer about $7,000 that he/she can put into race entry fees, tires and travel expenses. And what do I want out of it?
Seeing a racer progress and be successful at a national level and get noticed by bigger and more established teams. I would like to be a self sufficent farm team for AMA or upper echelon WERA Natl. / FUSA teams. Obviuosly, I cannot guarentee it will work but I want to give it an honest try. Of course I will concentrate also on my endurance team to continue to improve my own riding and provide a place my teammates can get a great deal of track time under race conditions and we can strive for success as a team and indiviually. ;D
Stone.. also a word of advice, before you think about stepping into the deep end of the pool, by doing some AMA events at a track you feel you are competitive at, don't waste your money. I understand the desire to race at an AMA event. But with the money you will spend for 1 AMA event you can go to 3 WERA/FUSA Nationals. Also you might want to see how you match up at WERA National against the likes of the Vesrah riders, Ben Thompson, Blake Young, Matt Lynn, David Weber, Ben Walters, Josh Herrin, Larry Denning... and there are more. Or you can come out and play in the endurance races and have the most of the same guys plus John Haner, Reuben Frankenfield, Robert Jensen (with the occassional guest ride) and there are more .....
Please don't take what I am saying as a slam, just take a look back at 2004 RRW articles and see what kind of money Jeremy Toye spent racing that R1 and doing quite well, but still coming out $3,000 in the whole every weekend. :o... Yes some of his costs are attributed to the far travel he has from Cali, but it is a lot of money to spend. For that kind of money you can race endurance and sprints and have spent less and been more competitive.\
QuoteStone.. also a word of advice, before you think about stepping into the deep end of the pool, by doing some AMA events at a track you feel you are competitive at, don't waste your money. I understand the desire to race at an AMA event. But with the money you will spend for 1 AMA event you can go to 3 WERA/FUSA Nationals. Also you might want to see how you match up at WERA National against the likes of the Vesrah riders, Ben Thompson, Blake Young, Matt Lynn, David Weber, Ben Walters, Josh Herrin, Larry Denning... and there are more. Or you can come out and play in the endurance races and have the most of the same guys plus John Haner, Reuben Frankenfield, Robert Jensen (with the occassional guest ride) and there are more .....
Please don't take what I am saying as a slam, just take a look back at 2004 RRW articles and see what kind of money Jeremy Toye spent racing that R1 and doing quite well, but still coming out $3,000 in the whole every weekend. :o... Yes some of his costs are attributed to the far travel he has from Cali, but it is a lot of money to spend. For that kind of money you can race endurance and sprints and have spent less and been more competitive.\
With the above mention...ya took the words out of my mouth.
I have been racing the SW region of CCS. Next year I will be focusing on CCS-SW, select WERA and select AFM. From what I understand the competition is pretty stiff in those other regions. It would be a good lesson for me to run with the fast guys and pick up the pace. The ulitimate goal for next year as an expert will be to place somewhere on the podium at the ROC. Reality tells me that its going to be a tough road to plow...but thats ok. I'm having the time of my life and getting faster by leaps and bounds.
AMA...Its one of my goals. I dont think for a minuate that I will ever have a chance at a factory team...ever. I just want to be on the starting grid of an AMA grid before my racing career will be over. Not to much to ask and not to far of a reach...err...at least I think so.
I understand your deal...but...I still think that sponsors should not overlook the 30 to 40's crowd. For some reason...it just makes cent$.
QuoteI understand your deal...but...I still think that sponsors should not overlook the 30 to 40's crowd. For some reason...it just makes cent$.
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Who's being over looked?
Woody Deatherage is still fast and competitive at the AMA events.
Miquel is still younger than me and does ok.
PF Chili has done ok.
I was at ROC when a young guy named Edwards did well in 1991.
Rich Shaw still comes out an plays.
John Long races occasionally. Springsteen, Nixon.
I don't have a plan real soon to stop, but maybe you don't know me either.
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Who's being over looked?
Woody Deatherage is still fast and competitive at the AMA events.
Miquel is still younger than me and does ok.
PF Chili has done ok.
I was at ROC when a young guy named Edwards did well in 1991.
Rich Shaw still comes out an plays.
John Long races occasionally. Springsteen, Nixon.
I don't have a plan real soon to stop, but maybe you don't know me either.
The last part didnt make sense ;D
Stone, I don't know that it's necessarily "sponsors overlooking the 30+ crowd". It seems more that this particular program and goal overlooks it.
LW's goal is stated to be a farm-team for the factory or satellite teams. That really focuses on a younger generation/crowd.
Your talent and marketing potential though should be very valuable *IF* positioned correctly to many sponsors.
But if everyone's program was the same, what would be the purpose of having a program?
There's absolutely nothing wrong with Lone Wolf's proposal. It's his funding to do what he wants and obviously he has a vision of what he'd like to see in the future.
If you can't find a program to suit your needs, do the leg work and create one.
Last time I checked there's no affirmative action in motorcycle racing!!! ;D
Heather
This is an interesting read. As an old guy who just passed his **nd birthday I would just like to say....
Crap. I forgot what I was going to say....
:P
QuoteThis is an interesting read. As an old guy who just passed his **nd birthday I would just like to say....
Crap. I forgot what I was going to say....
:P
Don,
Let me see if I can help you out on that .....
Your name sounds familiar, but I don't think we've ever met. But then again, maybe we have.
Focus, Focus, Focus.... Didn't you use to be on QVC?
Now is the clutch on the right or the left?
That Bob Barker, he just seems to get younger every year! Damit! Where's my fire extinguisher? I can't get over how much them plastic bowls look like frying pans! Damn near caught my CCS license renewal on fire.
I keep telling my sister, I mean my wife, that's the one positive thing about Alzheimer's...... I get to meet new people every day!
Rick
QuoteB
Last time I checked there's no affirmative action in motorcycle racing!!! ;D
Heather
;D
BUMP...
Lonewolf, I tried emailing you my resume and I still can't send anything to your email. Is there an mailing address that I can just ship one to? That would be greatley appericated.
Man I would love to jump into an oppurtunity like this. I wish someone was offering it in the MRA. If their was any way for a Colorado boy to do this, I would love to. I would be down for travel or relocation even. As long as there is a decent college to go to. E-mail sent.
It's getting down to the wire, I want to have perspective riders for this program lined up in the next 2 weeks. No later then December 1st, I would like to have the rider in place.
There are some promising riders in the group, please email me with all questons.
Michael Newhouse, 18, of Dallas, Texas will be racing for Lone Wolf Cycles Young Gun Program in 2006.
Michael, raced for Race Komodo Endurance in the CMRA in 2005.
his experience includes: Flat Track, Super Moto and Road Racing an R6 and SV650. He runs Road Race for Kids, a non-profit organization, that gives kids alternative ways (racing) to stay drug free.
Michael will be competing at all 10 rounds of the WERA National Series (Sprints)in 2006. He will also be a backup rider for the Lone Wolf Cycles Endurance Team, that will also compete at all 10 events. Welcome to the team Michael!
Bummer... I just found this thread today (11/22). Wish I visited the board more oftern, could have had the chance to join the team...