When do we find out when/if ROC will be postponed?
By the way, I am tired of these storms. Can anyone do anything about this?
QuoteI am tired of these storms. Can anyone do anything about this?
Yes, back away from the TV.
I think it's on the other side of the coast, so...who knows.
Postponing it might be impossible. Other organizations have events at Daytona too.
The weathers got to be REALLY bad before their going to cancel the event. Wilma, as of now, is expected to go quite a bit south of Daytona so it should just mainly be rain for the ROC. If the huricane turns North then I would think they might just postpone events for the day that the eye is landfalling. The entire event is supposed to be raining with a projected landfall of the eye sometime Saturday, but Monday is expecting no rain at all as of right now. :-/
What gets me is that every projection of the hurricane shows major rain for Daytona, but weather.com only shows a 30% chance of precipitation for Sat and Sunday. I hope they are right. Maybe I am just in denial. Those of us that live in the desert don't know much about wet tracks. The last time I was on a "drying" track here in Phoenix I crashed on the first turn. I finished the practice session and laughed about it, but still crashed.
QuoteThe weathers got to be REALLY bad before their going to cancel the event. Wilma, as of now, is expected to go quite a bit south of Daytona so it should just mainly be rain for the ROC. If the huricane turns North then I would think they might just postpone events for the day that the eye is landfalling. The entire event is supposed to be raining with a projected landfall of the eye sometime Saturday, but Monday is expecting no rain at all as of right now. :-/
I don't know if you have been through a hurricane, but you don't have to get a direct hit, they tend to be a few miles wide. I have worked through one hurricane this year, and rebuilt after three this year, that were not direct hit, and there was a little damage from all. I am not trying to be a smart ass, but there is no way people should be expected to show up for a race when there is a possibility of a storm, especially a Cat. 3 hitting anywhere near the area. Plus I cannot abandon my house to go racing, because everyone who lives in Florida doesn't live in Daytona.
By the way, I did back away from the TV last two months ago, just before the hurricane turned south, and hit my neghborhood, knocking down 10 utility poles, and dumped water up over my knees. And other organizers should be more important than the lives of a few guys who ride motorcycles, right? Dave, I have seen you on other websights, and I know you are a good guy, but when it comes to peoples lives and property, you can't be too cautious.
I'll agree. Can't be too cautious.
But where the hurricane goes exactly and how big it gets is pretty much out of anyones control.
So, what do you do? Cancel an event before something happens? And now it's Wednesday. Lots of people are traveling already. You're not going to get a hold of a lot of people. Families take off, leave their houses in other places.
If you can't have the race, you can't have it. But until you're at that point, everything still will go on.
I agree with you, but I still don't know how to find out if or when it will be postponed. Look at what happened over night. I went to bed and it was barely a Cat 1, I get to work in our morning meeting I hear it has been upgraded to a Cat 5 with the lowest millibar reading in history. Katrina was supposed to go up to West Palm, but made a turn to the south and flooded my neighborhood. After rebuilding parts of our electrical system three times this year, I am tired. I have had enough of all this hurricane crap. Let me rest. I am tired of working all the time. Although it has increased the race budget for the year.
This is my opinion, the polar ice caps are melting fast. Shorelines will be receiving more water. Move away from the shorelines. I know living in that nice warm sunny weather is nice all year round, but mother earth is challenging us, we should not fight it, just move out of harms way. ;)
Postponed!? HAAAA! Unless the infield looks like New Orleans they WILL run that puppy!!! :o
If you have a super bike that can sustain winds of 100 mph or more, go for it. Even the stickiest tires won't keep you on the track. ;D
Think of the speeds when the wind is at your back! :o
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=24307
I'm not going to the R.O.C this year but i guess its a good thing the R.O.C is not at Homestead this year.
QuoteIf you have a super bike that can sustain winds of 100 mph or more, go for it. Even the stickiest tires won't keep you on the track. ;D
I think I can hit about 140 on a 600 at Blackhawk... 8)
I bet you could, you're good (on a bike).
But.... let's add some flying debris to the picture, palm trees, rooftops, etc., then what? RUUUUN Forest RUUUN. ;D
Winds currently at 175 mph.
Yeah,
"It's not THAT the winds are blowin, its' WHAT the winds are blowin. If you got a yield sign in your spleen, conditioning does'nt come into play"
Ron White
Blue Collar Comedy Tour
Paul
that storm is huge....350 miles across.
And it's slow. Sounds like the whole ROC event might be over before it hits land.
5MPH for movement. Cancel ROC 'cause the storm will be there Monday...
QuoteI don't know if you have been through a hurricane, but you don't have to get a direct hit, they tend to be a few miles wide. I have worked through one hurricane this year, and rebuilt after three this year, that were not direct hit, and there was a little damage from all. I am not trying to be a smart ass, but there is no way people should be expected to show up for a race when there is a possibility of a storm, especially a Cat. 3 hitting anywhere near the area. Plus I cannot abandon my house to go racing, because everyone who lives in Florida doesn't live in Daytona.
By the way, I did back away from the TV last two months ago, just before the hurricane turned south, and hit my neghborhood, knocking down 10 utility poles, and dumped water up over my knees. And other organizers should be more important than the lives of a few guys who ride motorcycles, right? Dave, I have seen you on other websights, and I know you are a good guy, but when it comes to peoples lives and property, you can't be too cautious.
A few miles wide?
I think Katrina was 750 miles wide & the very outer bands dumped a serious amount of rain on us here in Daytona Beach.
Learn to prepare for seasonal storms off season, whether it be here in Florida or up in snow country.
As the Governor said last season after all the traffic jams "Don't evacuate 100 miles if you can *SAFELY* evacuate 10-20 miles".
QuoteWhat gets me is that every projection of the hurricane shows major rain for Daytona, but weather.com only shows a 30% chance of precipitation for Sat and Sunday. I hope they are right. Maybe I am just in denial.
Remember that Daytona has no TV stations and the local stations (2,6 & 9 +FOX) are all located in Orlando. So what you hear from their weather segments is based on "Central Florida" not Daytona.
Don't believe that CH2 tower on US1 (the city now owns the building) that station was built to get around some FCC licensing years ago.
In the urban whirl of life in Orlando and their "Shotgun News" these days, they tend to overlook us up here in Daytona.
It could be bright and sunny in your motel room on A1A (Beachside) and raining at DIS (Mainland).
The very outer bands of a hurricane can dump allot of rain and are very hard to predict.
Just make sure Ya got a bottle of sunscreen & RainX in your kit and you'll be all set. ;D
Quote5MPH for movement. Cancel ROC 'cause the storm will be there Monday...
Well last week when I asked the question, it was projected to hit closer to Saturday. All I wanted to know last week was, "How do we find out if it will be postponed ar cancelled?" I now know no one knows who makes any decisions, and if they did the rest of the people there wouldn't know what to do if some one does make one.
I know now not to expect anything from the people who run Daytona(CCS or Daytona). They can barely find their finger up their arse, they haven't figured out it doesn't go there or to take it out yet.
"Go to gate 40 to register. No go back to 70. They don't know what they are talking about, go back to 40. You can't show up at 10:30 and expect to race. I don't care if you did preregister, you have to wait in line at 7:00 in the morning with everyone else. Pre-reg does not give you a grid position. You have to pre-reg then re-reg to get a grid position. You have to practice before you can race. You can't drive your truck in here. I don't care if you have to drop off your bike, ok let him drop his bike off then get the truck out."
CCS and Daytona, you make this harder than it should be. If the Daytona people are that stupid, have ROC at Homestead.
This experience really makes me appreciate Mr. DeGouw. Thanks Henry for allowing racing in Florida to be fun.
I don't hate CCS or the track at Daytona. I think the track is fun, there has got to be a better way to run this event. Our money is the same size and color as NASCAR's. It should be valued as much. Of coarse we don't have a gazillion dollars like them, but we pay what they ask for.
The way things sound, and from what a corner worker told me from going there last year, if you camp, you are not allowed to go in and out of the track. That is ridiculous. Why don't they have the ROC at Gingerman, or a more people friendly track? :)
Quote"Go to gate 40 to register. No go back to 70. They don't know what they are talking about, go back to 40. You can't show up at 10:30 and expect to race. I don't care if you did preregister, you have to wait in line at 7:00 in the morning with everyone else. Pre-reg does not give you a grid position. You have to pre-reg then re-reg to get a grid position. You have to practice before you can race. You can't drive your truck in here. I don't care if you have to drop off your bike, ok let him drop his bike off then get the truck out."
CCS and Daytona, you make this harder than it should be. If the Daytona people are that stupid, have ROC at Homestead.
It seems aparent by your post about Henry and Homestead that you've raced with CCS before, for that reason I'm somewhat suprised by your post. I just went and looked at the event schedule for the ROC and it clearly states that 'Registration closes at 8am for all participants in that days events'. I don't know of any CCS event I have been to where they were allowing people to register for that days races after registration closed, usually by 8am for big events or 9am for smaller events (except in rare cases where the racer had travel troubles or something). Also the pre-registration statement is common knowledge, you still have to go thru registration before it closes for that days events, even if you are pre-registered. Daytona has a real space issue with the fenced in pit area and can't have racers leaving their personal vehicles in there, why should you be given special treatment? I'm not trying to be a smartass here, but it sure seems like your whining about things that are standard for everyone.
I live about 2-1/2 hours away from Road America and have driven the route many times. A couple years ago I left at 4:30am to go race at RA with an expected arrival of about 7am, but experienced travel troubles in Milwaukee. Road construction was going on, unknown to me, and an accident had occured in that area so a traffic jam resulted. By the time I got to RA it was after the 8am registration closing time, it was 8:07am to be exact. I told them what happened and I was told by the woman in registration that it didn't matter and that I should have left earlier to be prepared for something like that (even though I explained I had left at a time which should have put me there when registration opened at 7am)! I turned around and drove home very unhappy because someone else caused me to miss racing at the only CCS event at RA that season. Could I blame CCS for that? NO, they have rules and I had to follow them just like everyone else!
QuoteWhy don't they have the ROC at Gingerman, or a more people friendly track? :)
Location of the ROC has been discussed into the ground here before. The main reason for Daytona is timing of the event which puts it in cold weather for the Northern tracks. Also is the whole connection with Biketoberfest at that time at Daytona. Another issue is tracks that are capable of handling not only large grids, but also large numbers of participants in the pits. To top all that off is the whole status of racing at Daytona, something only a small handfull of people in the world can say they have done. The track is unique with the high speed high banking, an experience most never get to experience anywhere else. :)
I was not going to camp in my truck in the pits, I was going to DROP off my trailer.
What is the point in preregistering and, CCS cashing my check, if they want you to be there at 6:00 in the morning. Those ladies never have their crap together that early. Plus that does not explain why the gate people have me driving around for an hour trying to get into the REG. BLDG. My point is for them is get your stuff together. Work this stuff out before the event rolls around. It was the same thing in March.
The thing with pre-reg, if that is the way it is everywhere, why would they accept your money, if they aren't going to honor your spot if you are a couple of hours late. If you want to make the grids, make it as if I already paid for the spot that morning.(which is basiaclly what happened a month early) For Daytona, you have to pay that early, or you will be watching from the stands. What is the difference if I have 5 races that day, and crash out in the first race. You have my money, its not like you are giving it back. So what if there is an empty spot on the grid. I have seen empty spots before. This is something that should be looked at by CCS, not just by the SE.
QuoteI don't hate CCS or the track at Daytona. I think the track is fun, there has got to be a better way to run this event. Our money is the same size and color as NASCAR's. It should be valued as much. Of coarse we don't have a gazillion dollars like them, but we pay what they ask for.
Huh? Ok, maybe you don't understand how it works.
CCS rents the track to have an event. Very few spectators. Daytona makes an amount that covers the time of their worker and the amoritization of their obigation for rebuilding, upkeep, etc.
NASCAR is paid a sactioning fee by Daytona International Speedway to have the rights to put on the event. They provide the purse through selling sponsorships and ticket sales. In the end, they cover their expenses and make a sizeable profit.
The money is no greener, but one event covers expenses and tho other makes a profit.
Quote Location of the ROC has been discussed into the ground here before. The main reason for Daytona is timing of the event which puts it in cold weather for the Northern tracks. Also is the whole connection with Biketoberfest at that time at Daytona. Another issue is tracks that are capable of handling not only large grids, but also large numbers of participants in the pits. To top all that off is the whole status of racing at Daytona, something only a small handfull of people in the world can say they have done. The track is unique with the high speed high banking, an experience most never get to experience anywhere else. :)
I understand, no offense, but forget the Biketoberfest, this is about racing in general, theme or no theme. In April I was out on the corners in the cold and rain at Road America, what would be the difference about being there now. I know your going to tell me why it should not be there too. Daytona may be a challenging track and an experience, but look what's going on down there now with their weather and some of the riders complaining about their accomodations. If I were there right now I would want to go sight see after the races which I would not be able to do because they won't let you come and go when you please if you stay to camp at the track.
:)
QuoteNASCAR is paid a sactioning fee by Daytona International Speedway
Prolly doesn't hurt that they're both owned by the same company. ::)
QuoteThe way things sound, and from what a corner worker told me from going there last year, if you camp, you are not allowed to go in and out of the track. That is ridiculous. Why don't they have the ROC at Gingerman, or a more people friendly track? :)
Because there isn't a place big enough to handle huge grids. Then you have weather issues.
What's it like in the upper midwest today?
Camping was never allowed until last year at Daytona. It is a huge facility that has a huge risk for liability. And the cost of maintaining security on such a big place.
For a place that is not friendly, we could talk about Mid-Ohio...or Autobahn?
QuoteHuh? Ok, maybe you don't understand how it works.
CCS rents the track to have an event. Very few spectators. Daytona makes an amount that covers the time of their worker and the amoritization of their obigation for rebuilding, upkeep, etc.
NASCAR is paid a sactioning fee by Daytona
International Speedway to have the rights to put on the event. They provide the purse through selling sponsorships and ticket sales. In the end, they cover their expenses and make a sizeable profit.
The money is no greener, but one event covers expenses and tho other makes a profit.
I understand exactly how it works. My point is if you read what I said, maybe I didn't make it clear, If we pay what they ask us to pay to rent the track, they should respect us. If they want us to pay more, or if we aren't paying enough to cover their expenses, that is another story. I am sure they are not letting us use it at their loss. Get rid of the a--holes there, and let us have some fun. Homestead is not a tiny track, and there is plenty of space to get set up. I was there last year for ROC and I loved it. I am a little biased, because I live within 5 miles of it. Daytona is huge, and we don't even use a quarter of the space they have.
I love to ride there, and am willing to jump through a hoop or two, but enough. I even brag every once and a while about riding there. I can't be the only person these guys had driving in circles for about an hour before I could even get in to be harrassed by the security gaurd to get into the garages.
Maybe I am wrong, and the only a--hole that thinks the people there are idiots. Sorry in advance for being the jerk.
QuoteBecause there isn't a place big enough to handle huge grids. Then you have weather issues.
What's it like in the upper midwest today?
Camping was never allowed until last year at Daytona. It is a huge facility that has a huge risk for liability. And the cost of maintaining security on such a big place.
For a place that is not friendly, we could talk about Mid-Ohio...or Autobahn?
Yeah we don't have weather issues in Florida. It never rains, never gets cold, and never any hurricanes. This is the sunshine state for God's sake. If there was some way of making Daytona a happy fun place, it would be such a great place. They should drive west about an hour drive down I4 and ask Mickey Mouse for some help.
LOL!
Snow and freezing weather isn't likely at Daytona though.
QuoteLOL!
Snow and freezing weather isn't likely at Daytona though.
I would rather run at Daytona, but snow isn't likely at Homestead. When does it start snowing in Atlanta, or in Alabama? (this is a real question) I just can't belive there is nowhere else that the track won't welcome some guys on motorcycles. Don't get me wrong, Daytona loves fat guys on harelys and choppers, but not guys who pay over $100 for the first race and what was it, $90 for each race after?
QuoteFor a place that is not friendly, we could talk about Mid-Ohio...or Autobahn?
Autobahn I cant say for myself, since I never been there YET, but Mid-Ohio sucks ass for the treatment they treat peopel with. Got that from first hand experience there in 88.
QuoteI would rather run at Daytona, but snow isn't likely at Homestead. When does it start snowing in Atlanta, or in Alabama? (this is a real question) I just can't belive there is nowhere else that the track won't welcome some guys on motorcycles. Don't get me wrong, Daytona loves fat guys on harelys and choppers, but not guys who pay over $100 for the first race and what was it, $90 for each race after?
You're just argumentative this week, eh? LOL!
Come to Road America in April. Same prices. Huge tracks, huge in size and stature, cost a lot of money. The entry fees are a function of that cost and the increased liability that has escalated over the years. Maybe you don't recognize that, but that's how it works.
Any race track in the country loves motorcycles, as long as the organization pays to rent the track. That's how it works unless it's an event that can be promoted to make a profit above and beyond sanctioning fees, etc. ala the AMA National Superbike Series.
CCS, FUSA, WERA, AFM, CMRA...those are club racing organizations.
The AMA races at Daytona still.
Do I need to reminds you about the involvment of the France family in the development of CCS in 1984?
You are more than welcome to bring these issues up to Kevin Elliott for further clarification and discussion. Additionally, you could actually search this forum for some answers to as you're asking age old question that have answers.
I don't work for CCS. I buy race entries too. Yeah, Daytona entries are just as expensive for me. Maybe more for me as I don't make a lot of money.
Quote When does it start snowing in Atlanta, or in Alabama? (this is a real question)
Do a google search. You're on the internet.
Then, you've got to have a track that you can pay for and that racers will want to race at. ROC was at Homestead last year. Did you recognize that fact or not?
QuoteI understand exactly how it works. My point is if you read what I said, maybe I didn't make it clear, If we pay what they ask us to pay to rent the track, they should respect us. If they want us to pay more, or if we aren't paying enough to cover their expenses, that is another story. I am sure they are not letting us use it at their loss. Get rid of the a--holes there, and let us have some fun. Homestead is not a tiny track, and there is plenty of space to get set up. I was there last year for ROC and I loved it. I am a little biased, because I live within 5 miles of it. Daytona is huge, and we don't even use a quarter of the space they have.
I love to ride there, and am willing to jump through a hoop or two, but enough. I even brag every once and a while about riding there. I can't be the only person these guys had driving in circles for about an hour before I could even get in to be harrassed by the security gaurd to get into the garages.
Maybe I am wrong, and the only a--hole that thinks the people there are idiots. Sorry in advance for being the jerk.
A little kindness can go a long way.
I haven't had a single problem with security in the 3 times I've been to Daytona for CCS events. I know they don't allow trucks in the paddock. If I was too lazy to carry something over (fuel, food, whatever), I'd roll the truck up, and before the guard could say something, greet him with a "Good morning!" and very politely let him know that I just wanted to dump off some stuff and I'd bring my truck right back out. Usually the response was, "Oh, okay - but bring it RIGHT back out!" Not a problem - I just made sure to stick to my word. By the 3rd day I usually was just greeted with a smile and a "you know the drill!"
Same deal at the end of the night. You know you have 1hr after the flag. It's the rule. When the guard comes by to tell you it's time to go - GO. Don't start an attitude.
It doesn't hurt to maybe strike up a conversation with one of them every now and then too. They're human. If you go in there already on the defensive, they're going to get an attitude right back.
Now CCS registration... that's another disaster. But then - when isn't it?
QuoteA little kindness can go a long way.
I haven't had a single problem with security in the 3 times I've been to Daytona for CCS events. I know they don't allow trucks in the paddock. If I was too lazy to carry something over (fuel, food, whatever), I'd roll the truck up, and before the guard could say something, greet him with a "Good morning!" and very politely let him know that I just wanted to dump off some stuff and I'd bring my truck right back out. Usually the response was, "Oh, okay - but bring it RIGHT back out!" Not a problem - I just made sure to stick to my word. By the 3rd day I usually was just greeted with a smile and a "you know the drill!"
Same deal at the end of the night. You know you have 1hr after the flag. It's the rule. When the guard comes by to tell you it's time to go - GO. Don't start an attitude.
It doesn't hurt to maybe strike up a conversation with one of them every now and then too. They're human. If you go in there already on the defensive, they're going to get an attitude right back.
Now CCS registration... that's another disaster. But then - when isn't it?
Agreed! I struck up a convo with a guard after lights out on Friday. I needed to get back in the paddock at about 7:30 (I forgot my wallet) Ended up talkiung to that guard for about a half hour. Learned most of them are retired and make $6.18/hour but it was a dream job for most of them. I had no problems with the guards this weekend at all.
QuoteA little kindness can go a long way.....It doesn't hurt to maybe strike up a conversation with one of them every now and then too. They're human. If you go in there already on the defensive, they're going to get an attitude right back.
I absolutely agree as well! The 4 times I have gone to Daytona to race I have treated the guards with respect and I just stood there and B.S.'d with them occasionally. The guards generally respond well to people who treat them as people as well.
At Bike Week this year I was at the track for 10 days straight and developed somewhat of a freindship with a number of the guards, including the ones that were doing the parking on the infield. Those particular guys would always save me a spot everyday to park my dually where it had a nice big spot that was easy to get in and out of. They were nice enough people, they just got treated with such disrespect so often, I can't really blame them for their attitudes towards many of the people who come there.
The phrase "Give and Take" comes into play here, people just need to remember which 1 comes 1st! :)
I just got home from my Daytona "experience" and it was worth going. I came from Phoenix, AZ and it was a long trip. I understand people's complaints but there were set rules and we had no problems whatsoever with anyone. Someone mentioned in an earlier post you couldn't go in and out, but that wasn't true. Access to the camping area was 24/7 all you needed was your gate pass.
I had a difficult weekend, but a great one. I'd do it again in a second, just maybe a few things differently.