QuoteMotorcycle Operator Killed In Randolph County After Eluding Law Enforcement Officers
On October 4, 2005, at approximately 8:49 p.m., Jacob C. Self, 28, of Clifton Hill, Missouri, was killed on U.S. 63, two miles north of Route EE, in Moberly, after the 2004 Kawasaki Ninja motorcycle he was driving struck a Randolph County Sheriff's Deputy patrol vehicle at a high rate of speed.
A short time before the fatal crash, a Missouri State Highway Patrol Trooper observed four motorcycles being driven at a high rate of speed, northbound on Business 63, just south of Moberly. When the Trooper attempted to stop the motorcycles, one of the motorcycles stopped and the driver was taken into custody by the Trooper. Officers of the Moberly Police Department became involved in the pursuit at the south edge of Moberly and were able to take another driver into custody near Business 63 and Rt. M, while the two other motorcycles continued to elude officers. The motorcycle driven by Jacob Self continued northbound and eventually traveled northbound on U.S. 63 at a high rate of speed eluding a Moberly Police Officer who was approximately one mile behind. A Randolph County Deputy, who was attempting to get into position to overtake the eluding motorcycle, was northbound in the passing lane of U.S. 63 and was struck in the right front fender as Self was attempting to pass. Self was ejected from his motorcycle and was pronounced dead by Randolph County Coroner Gerald Luntsford a short time later. Randolph County Sheriff's Deputy Willie White, received moderate injuries and was transported to the Moberly Regional Hospital by a Randolph County Ambulance. He was x-rayed and released.
Joshua B. Bradley, 19, of Moberly; Daren R. Bodine, 28, of Moberly; and Corey D. Foster, 18, of Cairo, were arrested for their involvement in the incident. Each of the individuals were arrested for Felony Resisting Arrest by Fleeing, Speeding (120 mph in a 55 mph limit), and Careless and Imprudent Driving. They were incarcerated in the Randolph County Jail and were held on a $7,500 bond.
The charges for which the individuals were arrested are mere accusations and are not evidence of guilt. Evidence in support of the charges must be presented before a court of competent jurisdiction whose duty is to determine guilt or innocence.
No brains...... No headaches.....
He chose to run and paid the ultimate price. He was just stupid in my book.
I obviously dont agree with the actions of the rider, but this line makes me wonder WTF was going on...
"attempting to get into position to overtake the eluding motorcycle"...
HWP dont jack around.
Many jurisidictions have policies against high speed pursuit. Do you think the others who were taken in to custody were arrested after crashing?
QuoteA Randolph County Deputy, who was attempting to get into position to overtake the eluding motorcycle, was northbound in the passing lane of U.S. 63 and was struck in the right front fender as Self was attempting to pass
The deputy is attempting to overtake, that would mean he is behind the bike right? So how does the bike attempt pass the deputy if he is already in front of the deputy.
BS
More like deputy intentionally rammed motorcycle rider to make him crash. >:(
Vehicular manslaughter at the least.
QuoteThe deputy is attempting to overtake, that would mean he is behind the bike right? So how does the bike attempt pass the deputy if he is already in front of the deputy.
BS
More like deputy intentionally rammed motorcycle rider to make him crash. >:(
Vehicular manslaughter at the least.
+1 , I was thinking that same thing.
I think the story is written wrong or something because the cops have no hope of catching any late model sportbike from behind. I never would say running is the right thing to do, but you also have to place value on human life even when the suspect doesn't. It is essentially the same as an attempted suicide, they try their best to save the person. If they acted like this officer, I guess they just snipe them to end the situation quickly. I think the story needs clarification. Bone heads either way though.
QuoteMore like deputy intentionally rammed motorcycle rider to make him crash. >:(
Vehicular manslaughter at the least.
Sorry, I don't agree.
If you're that irresponsible with something going that fast...
You're gonna take out a family of four in a heart beat with that kind of tupperware torpedo. It's a lethal weapon.
A law enforcement officer has the right of the executive branch of the local government to enforce laws and protect citizens. If some moron is blazing down the road a high speed when someone else's wife and kids, let alone mine, are in their potential path, I want him to do what's necessary to get that dope to cease.
The idiot is required to yield to the officer.
I have to admit to being a street squid in my earlier years....sorry. When ever I was lucky enough to run into an officer while how should I say this? "Going at a faster rate than the posted limit" I always pulled over and will continue that policy. A couple of known facts. A: I don't care how fast your bike is, it WILL NOT out run a radio. B: When eluding an officer, you will not be thinking about how you are riding and to ride hard takes a lot mentally out of you. C: I have been caught going more double the posted limit and gotten off with a 10 m.p.h. over the limit ticket. (more than once) Most cops will respect that you had the brains to not try to out run them. This is the second night I will use the same qoute. "People need to take responsiblity for their own actions!"
Gonna have to agree with the Super one on this. If the kid would have stopped with the others...he'd still be alive.
QuoteA: I don't care how fast your bike is, it WILL NOT out run a radio.
Really? I love when people say that. I really shows an ignorance of reality.
Latest case in point is this chase I recorded Tuesday afternoon.
http://home.earthlink.net/~ccs440/chase1.wav
All dead air is cut out, actual length of the pursuit was about 10 mins. 5:12-:22pm All for no tag or lights. Great decision by the cop to chase him, well worth the risk. ::)
In my county, over the last year there have been at least a dozen high speed pursuits. Only two that I know of didn't end in a crash. One being the chase of the bike and the other a Corvette. What's really ironic is that the ones that got away never make the news or a police/sheriff dept. press release. But all the rest made the news. What a surprise!
I'm not even going to get into all the pursuits by the state and the neighboring county.
Don't be so sure the press got the facts straight...
Oh yeh. Lets put in the paper how bikers can outrun the police. That will do a lot of good. ::)
QuoteIf some moron is blazing down the road a high speed when someone else's wife and kids, let alone mine, are in their potential path, I want him to do what's necessary to get that dope to cease.
The idiot is required to yield to the officer.
Mixed emotions here, SD...
The guy/situation is more dangerous being chased. The officer knew the others were stopped, they can I.D. the dork, cuff him tomorrow, and drag his ass to jail and whatever else goes along with it.
Technology exists for police to have a 'remote ignition disable' function (did the research for a business venture). Like a radar gun, point, shoot, ignition off, the chased vehicle, car/bike, coasts to a stop.
Thankfully, the guy didn't have a passanger; seen those types of chases also...
Senseless on the motorcycle riders part. He chose to run. He basically killed himself.
Responsibility lies solely with him. Senseless indeed. Just pull over. Simple. I feel for the law enforcement who have to live with this memory all because some idiot chose to run.
My best friend is a police officer in Moberly, I heard about this yesterday. The officer was parked on the SIDE of the HIGHWAY...He had his lights on and was waiting for the bike to pass. The bike impacted him while parked and ejected the rider some 200 feet past the car. The impact was estimated at over 120 MPH and broke the front axel of the patrol car. Just to make it clear, before we blame the cops. The officer was not on the highway.....My guess he was to busy watching behind him. Two others were taken into custody and one escaped.
Dave
QuoteMixed emotions here, SD...
The guy/situation is more dangerous being chased. The officer knew the others were stopped, they can I.D. the dork, cuff him tomorrow, and drag his ass to jail and whatever else goes along with it.
Don't buy it.
Kid gets a taxpayer defense lawyer that states that his client's motorcycle was "borrowed" at a party and that he was somewhere else.
Quoteon Oct 6th, 2005, 8:09pm, ducatirider944 wrote:
A: I don't care how fast your bike is, it WILL NOT out run a radio.
QuoteReally? I love when people say that. I really shows an ignorance of reality.
Call!
Ok, how do you feel that that's ignorant.
Let's say that a bike CAN go 200MPH immediately.
Radio waves travel 186,000 miles per second...the speed of light.
Show the ignorance.
wrong or right,no matter who`s side you take or what your stance on the topic is, the negative impact on the motorcycle community as a whole cannot be reversed. :(
Quotethe negative impact on the motorcycle community as a whole cannot be reversed. :(
yup
Totally agree.
Bikes can go so much faster than squad cars.
It's simply like bringing a knife to a gun fight.
More bad press, more accidents involving nuns or something and restrictions could be pressed from the public?
It's not hard to imagine.
Quote+1 , I was thinking that same thing.
I think the story is written wrong or something because the cops have no hope of catching any late model sportbike from behind. I never would say running is the right thing to do, but you also have to place value on human life even when the suspect doesn't. It is essentially the same as an attempted suicide, they try their best to save the person. If they acted like this officer, I guess they just snipe them to end the situation quickly. I think the story needs clarification. Bone heads either way though.
I agree with the statement of attempted suicide. It is as if an officer says, "He was threatening to kill himself so I shot him in the head".
What the rider is doing is irresponsible and I do not condone it.
The potential of this speeding rider to crash into a family of four and kill them is a possibility. Does this mean the officer has the right to shoot and kill the rider beforehand? I think not.
Street riding is for the street. Fast riding is for the racetrack. The rider must still be responsible and not reckless.
One must take into account the real facts of the situation or is it all speculation. None of us knows the situation but just the outcome. ONE DEAD.
The rider chose to ride 120+ on the highway, and he chose to flee. He made 2 very bad decisions and paid, as someone said, the ultimate price. Noone said "Ride this fast, run from the cops if they see you". They were his choices.
I fail to see how you can blame law enforcement for the crash of an idiot running from them. I would bet lots of $$ that the kid did NOT have the talent/skill to be effectively operating the bike at that velocity on a track, let alone a public steet, even before you add the stress of running from the cops.
I'm with SD - his choices, his loss. If he had pulled over, none of us would be typing right now. As far as I'm concerned I'm just glad he didn't seriously injur anybody else in his way...
QuoteThe motorcycle driven by Jacob Self continued northbound and eventually traveled northbound on U.S. 63 at a high rate of speed eluding a Moberly Police Officer who was approximately one mile behind. A Randolph County Deputy, who was attempting to get into position to overtake the eluding motorcycle, was northbound in the passing lane of U.S. 63 and was struck in the right front fender as Self was attempting to pass.
I gather that he was already beating one cop and he caught the other cop. All were "northbound". So it sounds like the cop might've been blocking and the cycle driver couldn't avoid him.
Do you ever see the testosterone flow in these cops after a chase like this? I'm sure when someone blatantly disregards your authority and gets away with it for a whole chase, the guy probably didn't care about a SAFE way to get this cycle off the road - he probably just wanted to win the pursuit.
Who's fault is the death? - the motorcycle driver.
But as far as "Can't outrun a radio"??? Can't physically outrun a radio, but you can turn onto a different road. That's like saying "You can't outrun a bullet." But bullets miss.
You can outsmart both, but I'd rather not try.
but........ where I ride, if you pass a cop, he is far far behind by the time he turns around and the nearest cop is another 10 miles away. Within that 10 miles, there is about 20 other roads I can turn on.
QuoteThe potential of this speeding rider to crash into a family of four and kill them is a possibility. Does this mean the officer has the right to shoot and kill the rider beforehand? I think not.
You can't be ridiculous.
He was fleeing a officer. I think that's a felony pretty much anywhere. When you act reckless going such high speeds...We're not talking potential, we're talking that WHEN he can't stop and hits something, the mass of his bike, and his body will probably cut a mini van in half. It's not potential, it's in that state of motion.
Until that person stops or he's removed from the field of play, the course is set into motion.
In my mind, there is no such thing as a "high speed pursuit"...
It's the criminal FLEEING that causes the situation.
QuoteIf you're that irresponsible with something going that fast...
You're gonna take out a family of four in a heart beat with that kind of tupperware torpedo. It's a lethal weapon.
Food for thought. I don't know of the validity of the pictures and story below as it came from the internet, but all the same it demonstrates that it is not only the fleeing (or just speeding) rider at risk.
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A picture is worth a thousand words.
The Honda rider was traveling at such a "very high speed", his reaction time was not sufficient enough to avoid this accident.
Swedish Police estimate a speed of ~250 KM/h (155mph) before the bike hit the slow moving car side-on at an intersection.
At that speed, they predicted that the rider's reaction time (once the vehicle came into view) wasn't sufficient enough for him to
even apply the brakes. The car had two passengers and the bike rider was found INSIDE the car with them. The Volkswagen
actually flipped over from the force of impact and landed 10 feet from where the collision took place.
All three involved (two in car and rider) were killed instantly. This graphic demonstration was placed at the Stockholm Motorcycle
Fair by the Swedish Police and Road Safety Department. The sign above the display also noted that the rider had only recently obtained his license.
At 250 KM (155 mph) the operator is traveling at 227 feet per second. With normal reaction time to SEE-DECIDE-REACT of 1.6 seconds
the above operator would have traveled over 363 feet while making a decision on what actions to take. In this incident the Swedish police indicate
that no actions were taken. -z.